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Old February 21st, 2019, 11:47 AM   #1
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Default Should a woman who left the U.S. to join ISIS be allowed to return?

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An Alabama woman left the U.S. for Syria when she was 20, got involved with ISIS, became the bride of multiple fighters and became pregnant by one of them.

During her time there she assisted ISIS fighters and her Twitter account posted numerous threats against the U.S.

She now wants to return to the U.S. and turn herself in. Spokespeople for her claim that she was brainwashed/manipulated and deeply regrets her involvement with ISIS.

Trump has stated he does not intend to allow her back into the U.S.

What do you think? Should she be allowed back if she wants to turn herself in? Or has she made her bed and should now lie in it?

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Old February 21st, 2019, 02:14 PM   #2
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I mean if she wants to turn herself in, sure. They could interrogate her, potentially find new evidence or intel.

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Old February 21st, 2019, 02:29 PM   #3
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I mean if she wants to turn herself in, sure. They could interrogate her, potentially find new evidence or intel.
Agreed. Yes, i’ve heard she’s not a citizen, I wouldn’t ever agree to give her citizenship, but I think it wise to get her here and locked up in a prison.

She was 20, an adult legally and she failed to develop her mind to resist brainwashing and even turned her back on her parents back home.

The alternative is to allow her to be breeding stock for the enemy which is a problem ethically for me, and also tactically.

To go to a dark place here, there’s a reason historically women have been the prize of war, their ability to reproduce to build the victor’s population.
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Old February 21st, 2019, 06:13 PM   #4
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catch 22:

don't really want her back here as a free citizen or a prisoner

BUT if she's here as a prisoner uniquemind is absolutely correct that she can't continue to harm the US through more offspring.

ultimately costly but bring her back with 0 chance of being free
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Old February 21st, 2019, 06:22 PM   #5
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Same thing just happened with the UK: Shamima Begum left at 15, had 3 babies with an ISIS fighter (2 have died and the third has just been born) and has pleaded to be allowed to return. Her citizenship was just revoked 2 days ago but her baby may still be allowed to return to live with her family. In these cases, as long as they remain citizens of their birth nation, they have a constitutional right to return to face the justice of their birth nation. The Shamima Begum case was unprecedented and may not be held up in court if she or her families attempt to have the decision overturned.
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Old February 21st, 2019, 06:32 PM   #6
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No!!!!!! She made her choice when she flew to the middle East and crossed over to Isis territory. She can't have her cake and eat it to. She should have her US citizenship striped.

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Old February 21st, 2019, 07:16 PM   #7
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No Way-U don't know if she was brainwashed
by ISIS to carry out terrorism here in the US.

BTW Cameron Interesting post.

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Old February 21st, 2019, 08:48 PM   #8
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No...No...No!!

She made her decision to leave the USA to join ISIS and married a terrorist. She gave up all her rights as an American, under the Constitution, when she decided to give up her citizenship to pledge allegiance to a terrorist organization. She gave aid and comfort to sworn enemies of the USA. She applauded ISIS' murderous acts against innocent people. In my mine, she is no better than Tokyo Rose who broadcast Japanese propaganda to U.S. troops in World War II. I don't believe she had any mental defects or was brainwashed. She made her bed when she fled the USA to support ISIS. Let her lie in it now.

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Old February 21st, 2019, 09:53 PM   #9
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According to the article she's not a US citizen. So if they don't want to let her in they are in their full right to do so. Its not like the British woman who had her citizenship revoke when she decided to go back home and now she can't get in, that's a completely different story. She should be allowed back in and if they have enough evidence to convict her of any crime, they can do that.

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Old February 22nd, 2019, 09:28 AM   #10
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Iterriogate her and deport again... For people like her it's the right decision. You chose on becoming a terrorist, supporting the illegal state - remain there. If you return back, you must be sent to jail...
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Old February 22nd, 2019, 12:24 PM   #11
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She could just go to Canada since Canada openly supports ISIS and other extremists.

But if you ask my opinion she should be impaled and left to feed rats.
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Old February 22nd, 2019, 01:37 PM   #12
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no. pretty simple answer for me.

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Old February 22nd, 2019, 03:56 PM   #13
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Well if she is let back, then she should certainly face some serious consequences!!! Definitely jailtime.



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Old February 22nd, 2019, 05:42 PM   #14
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I say no. How do you trust her after doing that.
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Old February 24th, 2019, 04:03 PM   #15
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Really nobody’s suggested that the USA and UK respectfully can’t take their respective inhabitants back, put them in prison, and just allow Christian evangelists to visit their jail cells til they convert?
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Old February 24th, 2019, 04:51 PM   #16
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A lot of people say put them in prison, but do we have any evidence they actually committed any crimes?

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Really nobodyís suggested that the USA and UK respectfully canít take their respective inhabitants back, put them in prison, and just allow Christian evangelists to visit their jail cells til they convert?
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Old February 25th, 2019, 12:02 AM   #17
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A lot of people say put them in prison, but do we have any evidence they actually committed any crimes?



Don't give them ideas
Yes, you have airport surveillance showing them leaving the country etc.

In this situation evidence isnít a problem. Plus you have outright admissions that they pretty much committed treason.
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Old February 25th, 2019, 09:23 AM   #18
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Leaving Serbia to fight in armed conflict in punishable by 7 years in prison. Several neo-nazid were punushed when they tried to leave for Ukraine to fight for the (openly neo-nazi) Azov Battalion.

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Not an American but there is a similar case in UK at the moment.
Here they are trying to take her citizenship away so she can't return but I think thats just passing the buck She is British. Bring her back and punish her but we can't pretend its not our problem as it is.
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Yes, you have airport surveillance showing them leaving the country etc.

In this situation evidence isnít a problem. Plus you have outright admissions that they pretty much committed treason.
Since she's not a US citizen can she actually commit treason against the US

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