will power vs. drugs

[guitarro]

a lot of people believe that will power is the line between recreational use and addiction. this is not true, clinically addiction is a disease, and will power is affective only until a certain point. controlled use like "a drink once a week" is dangerous too. If you consistently do controlled using, you will eventually be using more and more, for if you don't get mentally addicted you physically will. you can only tell yourself "no" for so long, because addiction is emotionally wanting to use often, and eventually your will power will in fact have no power. This of coarse can either happen fast or over a long period of time. just like any other disease, like lung cancer, takes time. you cant will away cancer.

[Fiending_the_freedom]

so what your trying to tell me is that tehres not one person that for there whole lives can only have a drink once a week and not get physcally or mentaly addicted.
right i dont belive that.

[Cap'nCrunch]

I disagree.

I think with the proper mindset, one can control how much and how often they abuse a drug.

[guitarro]

how do you even KNOW you have the proper mindset? When i started using, i thought i could handle a bud every now and then, and then i got addicted eventually. So did thousands of other people who are addicted to drugs. You think addiction is a choice? you think people like being addicted? addiction sucks my friends, and everyone who is an addict hates it. Every addict at my rehab wished they never drinked because they never knew how much they were gonna like it, or smoked bud, they all wish they can go back and prevent themselves getting involved with any drugs. if mindset could prevent addiction, there wouldn't be such a thing.

[Φρανκομβριτ]

Break the cage, that's innapropriate man. That was not needed. Please keep those comments to yourself. Yellow Card.



There are two types of addiction: Physical and mental. Drugs people say "you cant get addicted to" like pot, ketamine, etc. you can still have a mental dependancy for it. So it really depends on your case

[Break the Cage]

Fair play I deserved that, just read one too many of his topics in a row and got a bit pissed.

[Φρανκομβριτ]

no problem mate, just don't let it happen again. Everyone is free to speak their mind here, and if you feel the need to say somethign nasty, you can't do it here. Happy posting.

[Skhorpion]

I can understand not being able to quit on your own if you have a physical addiction, but otherwise, it's whether you want to quit or not. I sometimes get a strong urge to do DXM, yet I don't do it. A person with a strong willpower should be able to handle themselves unless they are physically addicted.

[Cap'nCrunch]

I agree with Rent-2-Pwn

If willpower didn't play a role in addiction, we'd have a hell of a lot more people in rehab, and more people doing harder drugs.

[Φρανκομβριτ]

well a mental addiction is just as strong as a pysical addiction. You still need help to quit, tis not just a matter of wanting to, but you have to want to quit even with a physical addiction. You wont go long if you dont want to be sober.

[guitarro]

either way it is addiction, mental addiction can be stronger than physical addiction in certain cases. trust me, everyone who is mentally addicted to a substance thought they had the will power to handle it, but they didn't. the point i'm trying to make is that a lot of people over estimate their will power, nobody actually knows their breaking point, and if you think you do, well, how come there is such a thing as mental addiction?

[Skhorpion]

either way it is addiction, mental addiction can be stronger than physical addiction in certain cases. trust me, everyone who is mentally addicted to a substance thought they had the will power to handle it, but they didn't. the point i'm trying to make is that a lot of people over estimate their will power, nobody actually knows their breaking point, and if you think you do, well, how come there is such a thing as mental addiction?

I've been mentally addicted to two substances now, neither of which i continued to do after i found out.

[guitarro]

then you weren't actually mentally addicted, you were beginning addiction, but you weren't quite there yet. the definition of addiction is not being able to stop regardless of your will power. Luckily, you weren't addicted yet, and your will power pulled you out of that one.

[Break the Cage]

If you aren't actually able to stop, then how do addicts recover? ;)

[JoshDude]

There is a difference between mental and physical addiction.

- Mental = The 'mind' needs the substance
- Physical = The 'body' needs the substance.

[Hyper]

a lot of people believe that will power is the line between recreational use and addiction. this is not true, clinically addiction is a disease, and will power is affective only until a certain point. controlled use like "a drink once a week" is dangerous too. If you consistently do controlled using, you will eventually be using more and more, for if you don't get mentally addicted you physically will. you can only tell yourself "no" for so long, because addiction is emotionally wanting to use often, and eventually your will power will in fact have no power. This of coarse can either happen fast or over a long period of time. just like any other disease, like lung cancer, takes time. you cant will away cancer.

See.. There arent many people who actualy BELIVE in themselves and people who are capable of 'programming' their sub-consious.. But in reality mostly ppl who actualy belive in themselves and have strong will power wont do drugs

[Break the Cage]

There is a difference between mental and physical addiction.

- Mental = The 'mind' needs the substance
- Physical = The 'body' needs the substance.
I think we established that...
Try and keep up ;)

[guitarro]

trust me, assuming mental addiction is less powerful will only lead to more trouble.Thats why alcoholism is the biggest addiction in the U.S. more people are mentally addicted to alcohol than any other addiction. Just food for thought. At the point when people are mentally addicted, they usually try to feed their addictive energy into other positive things. that is the only known way to cure it, clinically. There is no other known method to cure it, for will power just isnt the factor anymore.

[redcar]

Why was this locked?

[UNLOCKING]

[quackcow]

are u sure its a true diseise wow that was bad spelling cause like cancer is a disease and u cant just stop and have it go away addiction is just stopping even if u have withdrawel systems u still r able 2 get over it without and help

[guitarro]

ask any certified doctor, or read a medical text book. it is a disease.

[Skhorpion]

It is considered a disease because it changes brain activity drastically. It will cure itself if the substance is removed for long enough though.

[guitarro]

the science of the disease is that your dopamine receptors are increased significantly. It can take up to 10+ years for cravings to go away. P.A.W.S.(post acute with-drawl symptoms) can last the rest of your life. These include hallucinations, tremors, increased anxiety, insomnia, nausea, and heart problems.

[Kiros]

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[Skhorpion]

Nobody here is advocating drug use.

[Kiros]

The policy does not only rule out advocating drug use. Glorifying drugs (or any controlled substance) or discussion of any kind of distribution/sales of drugs is also prohibited.

[Φρανκομβριτ]

addiction is a disease, theres another post about it. Cancer does go away in some cases, but theres different typpes of diseases.

[guitarro]

I was just trying to point out that addiction is often looked over as something smaller.