Iraq: What do you want?

[Dante]

What do you guys want to happen in Iraq, as in Should we increase troops? should we have a steady pull out? an immediate pullout?

Sound off

[~Dazed&&Confused~]

ye but if we send more... some more will die.. then we'll send more.. etc... it aint helpin.. i mean the violence is going up... so we're not particuarly helping...

[JoshDude]

Yeh we should just hurry up and steal all their oil and bail outta there. Lol just kidding. But seriously we should add a few more troops.

[Sapphire]

No. We should bring our troops back. What business is it of ours anyway? The situation between the Iraqi's is a civil war. Do we get involved with other civil wars? No. Bring our troops back. They have seen more than enough and have more than enough nightmares to last the rest of their lives. Put a stop to their suffering. Iraq will have to stand on their own two feet sooner or later. So why not make it sooner?

[Bankai15]

If we did pull out right now what would happen to iraq. The insergents would take over and it would be a breeding ground for terrorists to fight us and our allies.

[Phantom]

How the hell are we getting the shit kicked out of us by some fucking ragheads. FFS we should have finished them off in about 2 months.

[DouggyO.o]

I think we should pull out and nuke em. We have lost to many lives trying to fight this war and its just time that we send our troops home. I know nuking is a little extreem but if thats what it takes to get them off our ass's than thats what we have to do. I am not going to live my whole life in fear because our goverment is to much of a pussy to take care of this once and for all.

[Underage_Thinker]

We can't alienate our selfs anymore than we already have from the global communities. We need to stop trying to to shape global events that do not affect us. There were much more pertinent threats to "homeland security" the time of the Iraq invasion. That doesn't mean we need to turn a blind eye to such atrocities as the genocide in Sudan, there are times in which we as a country need to step up. Some say we went for WMDs, while there may have been some moderate production capability, there were no massive stockpiles and we were in no imminent threat. If we went to liberate, and convert the county to democracy. We can't go around and force democracy on other countries. There are ruthless dictators all around the world, that doesn't mean we can go around overthrowing them as we wish.
How the hell are we getting the shit kicked out of us by some fucking ragheads. FFS we should have finished them off in about 2 months.
Wow, just wow. Ya were not getting the "shit kicked out of us", but we have become bogged down and reduced to the guerrilla warfare that we can't win, and they can't lose. We could be there for a long time to come, because right now we are not fighting a country that you can make a triety with we are fighting a group of people, organized or unorganized, however it may be with every day we stay there they become more determent, and with every death of a us we as a nation lose more and more of our resolve. I fail to see how you could think we would be out of Iraq in 2 months, And once again Phantom, you have reduced yourself to using unintelligent racial slurs that don't prove a point in any way. So ya I do believe we need to pull out, and let history run it's course. Some things were never ment to be. It is the Iraqi's that have the power to change now.

[Phantom]

You do know that I wasn't being serious.

I am not going to write an essay.

[Underage_Thinker]

That is what i thought at first, thought when you give no sign that you joking(for example:):D;):P:lol: or just jk), I have to assume... I apologies.

[Bankai15]

Douggys got the right idea. :D

[0=]

I think douggy is fucking insane. The country was actually reasonably stable before we attacked it, now it's in a full blown civil war because we removed the one thing keeping it in order. We don't have the right to nuke a country full of civilians, how would you like to be at school and be vaporized?

[Phantom]

How would you like to live in fear of getting your tongue cut out and thrown in acid for saying something about saddam?

[0=]

That's different, you did something you knew would piss him off, I'm not saying that's right, but I am saying that was a voluntary action, not randomly getting vaporized by some foreign asshole.

[Phantom]

I don't think anybody agrees that we should nuke civilians.

[Elscire]

we should just pull out from iraq, we don't have the right to force democracy on the people

[Hyper]

Indeed.. The US should stop going around forcing democracy on countries that would actualy be better off with their current form of government.. And damn thats exactly what I would expect from Phantom, even if he was joking ''How cant we kill some ragheads'' I do hope your not one of those Phantom who jokes about other countries and how the US could kick their asses! But thats no the point. The point realy is a huge raid wouldnt help all that much, as in I am unsure that the US and the Iraq would have enough manpower to search every city at the same time. Going to Iraq was realy a mistake.. I haven't been keeping an eye on things but it does seem to be violence has gotten pretty high. And so have the US troop casualties gotten much higher than usual. I do think the US should pull out of Iraq but not in 2 months rather in 2 years. The point realy is to give the Iraqis their own government and by US actualy staying in that country they are giving the terrorists a reason and an oppurtunity to attack their citizens, in this case the soldiers in Iraq. And no I highly doubt the country would turn into a terrorist haven and if you belive that then I suppose you also belive in the easter bunny. Either way things will get worse if the US stay there and send more troops. There is realy no way to fight terrorism except cripple its funding, but every madman who'l collect some money in a few months can still make a small bomb to kill someone, so it seems like an endless fight.

[Phantom]

O yes the whole the Iraqis want their current government! Because we all know how much better an ,oppressive, violent, brutal, dictatorship is over a free democracy! :rolleyes: I bet the Iraqis LOVED getting family tortured in front of them for speaking against saddam, I bet they also loved this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hQK5thIYJCI
and this
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M_Avb-EhXW0

Just to see your anti American reactions :D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dgQJEYnD0n4

[0=]

I'm sure they loved receiving leaflets saying "Get the fuck out, we're gonna bomb your house!"

[Phantom]

You have a good point.

But I still think I would prefer getting out of my house because terrorists are hiding nearby instead of getting hideously tortured by some secret government police

[0=]

First of all, we can't tell who the "terrorists" are, secondly, do you think said "terrorists" would be dumb enough to hang around after they see the leaflets? Face it, we bombed the shit out of civilians supposedly to kill "terrorists" that may or may not have existed and/or been hiding there.

[Phantom]

First of all, we can't tell who the "terrorists" are, secondly, do you think said "terrorists" would be dumb enough to hang around after they see the leaflets? Face it, we bombed the shit out of civilians supposedly to kill "terrorists" that may or may not have existed and/or been hiding there. The terrorists are the guys running around with machine guns and black masks.

What happens is we drop the leaflets so we don't kill any civilians. We surround the city. When the civilians come out we give them medical attention etc, the terrorists on the other hand get captured if they come out, or get bombed if they stay in. Pretty simple.

Also we don't randomly bomb city's, EVER, your just spewing more liberal propaganda bullshit. You also forget that the military is comprised of people like you and me. They are not evil neo nazi bush fascist greedy war mongering asshole evil bastards that enjoy killing people.

[Bankai15]

Maybe we would not have to bomb civilians if the civilians would help us find the terrorists more. They are withholding info from us about the insergents in iraq and around the world. I am positive that if they spoke to us more we would have a better chance of finding the terrorists and not have to bomb houses under suspicion that there is terrorists or insergents or whoever the fuck we are after. It is not just our fault it is also the civilians as well.

[0=]

Do you seriously believe that we surrounded the entire capital city of Baghdad and captured terrorists as they ran out after the civilians, and do you also believe that they would be stupid enough to run out with a black mask and a machine gun if we did indeed do so? The government has never claimed that we surrounded Baghdad and rescued civilians, live footage from Baghdad showed bombs going off in the night destroying the city. I must steal one of your old accusations and request that you stop a) making a fool of yourself, and b) pulling propaganda out of your ass. Provide proof of your claim and I will take that last comment back, although I highly doubt you will be able to find photographs showing the entire city of Baghdad surrounded by American troops rescuing civilians and capturing terrorists who are stupid enough to run out in black masks wielding machine guns.

[Phantom]

[QUOTE]Do you seriously believe that we surrounded the entire capital city of Baghdad and captured terrorists as they ran out after the civilians, and do you also believe that they would be stupid enough to run out with a black mask and a machine gun if we did indeed do so? I agree we didn't do that. But we didn't randomly bomb civilians. either The government has never claimed that we surrounded Baghdad and rescued civilians, live footage from Baghdad showed bombs going off in the night destroying the city. I guess you must have xray vision or a twisted sense of reality to think that we just bombed things for the hell of it. Terrorists go in building. We bomb building. Simple. I must steal one of your old accusations and request that you stop a) making a fool of yourself, and b) pulling propaganda out of your ass. Provide proof of your claim and I will take that last comment back, although I highly doubt you will be able to find photographs showing the entire city of Baghdad surrounded by American troops rescuing civilians and capturing terrorists who are stupid enough to run out in black masks wielding machine guns. Please provide proof of your claim that we kill civilians for fun and every bomb we drop is not intended to kill any insurgents.

[Hyper]

O yes the whole the Iraqis want their current government! Because we all know how much better an ,oppressive, violent, brutal, dictatorship is over a free democracy! :rolleyes: I bet the Iraqis LOVED getting family tortured in front of them for speaking against saddam, I bet they also loved this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hQK5thIYJCI
and this
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M_Avb-EhXW0

Just to see your anti American reactions :D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dgQJEYnD0n4


I won't even bother looking at them but Phantom here are some facts and questions..

Did you live in Iraq? No..

Would you be stupid enough to talk badly about Saddam if you KNEW your family would get tortured? Well you probly yes..

And also you have a choice not to talk badly about saddam but you don't have a choice about your house or city being bombed

[0=]

Do not put words in my mouth. You don't seem to realize that we have no idea what we're doing over there, maybe the bombings were intended to hit terrorists, but if you take five minutes to think about it none of it makes any sense.

[Dante]

What really pisses me off is that Bush knows that this war was a mistake, he has even admitted that the hardest part of his presidency is to connect the war in iraq to the war on terror, YET he wants to send more troops! He calls the formation of a new iraqi government a great success, but if we dont let them control, where is the success?

[Phantom]

I won't even bother looking at them but Phantom here are some facts and questions..

[QUOTE]Did you live in Iraq? No.. Neither do you.

Would you be stupid enough to talk badly about Saddam if you KNEW your family would get tortured? NO human on the face of the earth should have to fear like that. You also seem to be implying that its OK for him to do that.

And also you have a choice not to talk badly about saddam but you don't have a choice about your house or city being bombed So I guess its OK for saddam to kill you for speaking against him......

And just for the record we don't destory every house we see.

Do not put words in my mouth. You don't seem to realize that we have no idea what we're doing over there, maybe the bombings were intended to hit terrorists, but if you take five minutes to think about it none of it makes any sense. I agree. Iraq is fucked up

What really pisses me off is that Bush knows that this war was a mistake, he has even admitted that the hardest part of his presidency is to connect the war in iraq to the war on terror, YET he wants to send more troops! He calls the formation of a new iraqi government a great success, but if we dont let them control, where is the success? Yep bush fucked up

[0=]

He is not implying that it is ok, he is further proving my point that the people who were killed by Saddam were usually killed based upon a voluntary action.

[Phantom]

He is not implying that it is ok, he is further proving my point that the people who were killed by Saddam were usually killed based upon a voluntary action. That does NOT make right in any way shape or form. Thats like saying to someone, innocent I might add, if you say anything that is not good about me I will cut out your tongue and throw you in acid.


O yeah and the people we kill are killed because they voluntarily hide insurgents in their house or choose to attack us :rolleyes:

[0=]

Not really, go watch the videos of the bombings.

[Hyper]

Look you little fuck I kind of know better than you as my great grandfather was shot in the back of the head for being a military officer, most of my family was sent to siberia one of my grandfathers hid a freedom fighter in hes house so gg he went to siberia, my great-great uncle spent over 30 years in Siberia. So sush I have a much better idea than you do as I have atleast wonderd about it and asked my mother, my father and so on. And no if you think I'm implying that it's OK then you can go set yourself on fire :)

[Phantom]

[QUOTE]Look you little fuck :ban:

[Hyper]

[QUOTE=Hyper;125078] :ban:

Yes I am sure you'd be glad to ban anyone who disagrees in any way with you, but yes I suppose we should ban anyone who says anything bad including you and maybe 100 other members

[Phantom]

[QUOTE=Phantom;125102]

Yes I am sure you'd be glad to ban anyone who disagrees in any way with you, but yes I suppose we should ban anyone who says anything bad including you and maybe 100 other members No I don't even consider you to disagree with me because you don't even pose the slightest debate challenge.

[Underage_Thinker]

:ban:


Phantom you realize the hypocrisy of that post?

[0=]

Phantom do you consider anything other than your own words a valid debate?

[Melchi0r]

[QUOTE=Hyper;125078] :ban:

Good idea, let's ban Phantom.

[Bankai15]

This topic is not about banning it is about iraq if you like talking about banning start a dairy about it, and what is want is a new bike. :D

[Dante]

stop the fighting!

[Lieg]

It has nothing to do with us, there in a state of civil war. We need to pull out and let them handle it, no one wants the USA there.