Suicide

[Spook]

I this post I hope to not offend anybody, but I just don't understand suicide. I mean, people give up the life and the body god gave them, the best gift they could ever get. I mean, if you were to get a new plasma TV for free, would you throw it in the trash? Probably not. So why would you throw your life away? When you're gone, so many people get hurt. Their schedules are stopped, and they mourn for you. They will never get over your choice, and they will always wonder. "Why'd she/he do it?" "Why did they do this?" It hurts so many people, and the victims don't think about that when they commit suicide. They are hurt, angry, scared, and kill themselves to ease the pain, but the pain only worsens for others when they're gone. Why do they do it???? I mean I would say the word "stupid,"but I realize that it isn't their fault. I think they should get help (not in a mean way). I mean, they should reach out, and people can help them to appreciate themselves, the people that they are. If you are a victim of attempted suicide, or someone impacted by it, please comment on this post. I want to hear what you think. I am truly sorry if I have offended anybody, but I feel very strongly on this subject, even though I haven't been involved before. I hope you understand. ~Caitlin

[UnknownError]

Yes it's selfish, but that's life I'm afraid.
Sometimes people get so overwhelmed by emotions that it's the quickest and easiest way out.

[adudewhodoesdudes]

I don't think suicide is a selfish thing on the side of the person who is doing it. It is selfish of everyone else to want that person to stay where they are even though it really hurts for them to keep living. I almost killed myself because I was so depressed because I had no real friends and my family hated me. Everyday I would put on this act as if i was fine but that just made me feel worse.
If people really cared about you then they would talk to you and see how you are all the time. I didn't have anyone like this so I felt like killing myself was the right thing to do because I was fairly sure no-one would care and today I still think no-one would except for one person and now I have someone to live for.

[FullyAlive]

Suicide isn't selfish.
I mean obviously I've not comited suicide since I'm here and writing this, but I know i wish I had. I have before and still today want to die. I'm the most accident prone person but my death hasn't happened by accident yet, so suicide is my only option.
People commit suicide because life is too painful, too hard. Who are we to judge how they feel?
You say family will be hurt, and I know they would be but in my head this pain is nothing compared to the pain they'll will experience if I live much longer.
So no suicide isn't at all selfish sometimes it's the only thing you can possibly do. So I don't think we should ever criticize people, at the end of the day it's their life, it's their choice to stop living it. I realise that others will be affected too, but that doesn't make it selfish, can you name any decision that soley affects the decision maker?

[Syvelocin]

Cutting and Self Harm :arrow: Depression, Loss, and Grief

I actually have to half side with the OP. I'm quite certain I can empathise with people who are in a position where they feel they have to kill themselves to escape. I know how it feels to be that low. I however don't know what it's like to be suicidal. I wish I was never born, but I wouldn't and couldn't kill myself. I've briefly thought about it in the past, but it was only when I was angry, and wow, if I had done that, I would have hated myself. Well, if I was alive to hate myself I mean.

Suicide has never been an option for me. And it shouldn't be for anyone else. Honestly, you're giving up a lot, and I can't bear to see that. I know it might not seem that way, but everyone has so much going for them, and everything will get better, trust me. Don't quit now and never see what the future holds for you. The problems you have now will be trivial when you're older, because you won't have the same problems forever. If you feel like no one cares for you now, that isn't permanent at all. And when you're older, you might make the decision to get help. Antidepressants are really helpful for a lot of people. It'll take a huge burden off of you, and you might see things differently once you're on stable medication.

I'm serious about this. Suicide is a permanent fix to a temporary problem. Please think it through, and if you still want to kill yourself, you haven't thought enough about it.

I wouldn't call someone in that position selfish, but honestly, I do see it as a selfish act. Why I don't think suicide is an option personally, is because I love the people around me too much to do that to them. I'd rather suffer centuries than hurt them now.

[Spook]

Sorry if you were offended...I wasn't trying to judge and not trying to say they were selfish...just I have heard these stories and its so... :(

[Fiction]

Just over 6 weeks ago I was in hospital after an overdose.

One thing about suicide is that often people believe that people are better off without them. I know I did, and still do sometimes. I self harm and run away and just generally cause trouble for people around me. If i died it'd stop. I'd stop hurting people, and I wouldn't have to deal with the guilt of hurting people anymore. With that belief is it so selfish?

Reaching out for help is really not easy. What if people don't believe you? What if you don't really have any problems? What if they're just your imagination? I never had the courage to get help, but I suppose it's another factor that contributed to doing what I did. I knew that if I survived, i'd get help.

[RAWWR]

People who commit suicide aren't selfish, sometimes it just feels like the only option left. A friend was saying the other day how if people go home and beat up their partners they get help and support for it, but if people go home and harm themselves they are viewed as sick and twisted for basically protecting other people from themselves? When someone gets to the point of suicide they are hurting so much inside that they can't see any other way out, and, like Kathy said, most of the time people feel like family and friends will be better off without them. When it was me I kept thinking 'I keep hurting everyone through self harming and my anger, if I kill myself it will be one final hurt, one last time. And then they can get on with their lives.' Luckily I got through that point in my life, but at the end of the day, a lot of people don't and I think everyone needs to understand that a bit better.

[CantLiveWithoutYou]

You've obviously never been depressed. I used to be like you wondering why anyone would do it. Now I'm probably going to do it.

[Syvelocin]

The only thing is you have to see past that. I know how much you guys hurt. But no one will be better off without you. Not only does it hurt people around you, but you are taking a future lawyer who will save an innocent man accused of murder from a life sentence in prison, or an author with a successful career. Or just even a lover, growing old with a best friend, a partner. Not only are you taking that from the world, but what about what your children may grow up to be?

I know how it seems like there's no other way. You just have to convince yourself at least, if I can't convince you, that you have everything to look forward to, but you can't experience how life truly can be if you don't stick around. Teen years are hard, brutally hard. I don't know one person who wishes they were in high school again. But you have to persevere. Once you are out of the house and living your life, trust me, it will be so much better. I know that for a fact. Even if you still are depressed or something, you can see just how great life can be. And that's coming from a psychotic, bipolar pessimist.

If you think people would be better off without you, you are wrong no matter what. Even if that is sincerely true about the people around you, NONE of us on VT would be better off without you. Honestly, I'd be truly insanely upset if we lost any of you to suicide.

[Nevermore]

As someone who's overdosed, and made a few suicide attempts in my life, I know what it's like to be suicidal. I felt there was no other way out. This was the only way to stop the pain. I didn't care if there was nothing after death, or pure hell, all I wanted was relief. I wanted an end to my problems, and the problems I was subconsciously causing others. I was done with being bullied, done with being physically and emotionally abused every day. I was done with my anxiety, and the zombie like affect my meds had on me, and feeling depressed. I had no friends, I was in my room, I spoke to no one. I was breaking down every day, begging my parents, pleading with them to send me to another school. To be honest, I wasn't thinking at the time it's affects on people. Until my uncle committed suicide last year, and a few of my friends had suicidal scares. The pain was too much for me, I wasn't being selfish, however at the same time I was. I was only thinking of myself. The next time I was going to attempt again (I"m not goign to put details) but I went to my mother and told her, and cried. I have help now. :) Right this second I am not suicidal. However I am still qesuitoning my exsistance.

[Spook]

Thanks guys for commenting. I think I understand a bit more. Take care.

[HellHound]

...was angry(sorry)

[Leroy]

Well Sammy you have strange story and i would like to say that why do you think life is not to live. You know suicide attempt is sin and is not allowed in any religion. I don't allow you to die like this because as a human being every human has right to save the life of other either by words or by reaction. So be brave and don't think again for suicide and just live happily and just chill. And try to resolve your problem with great care. Love everything and you will be loved.:)

[Axels]

Hi Caitlin,
I agree with you but you can't deny the reality that a big % of the people thinks this would be the end of world though and commit suicide.
Well I think this link will makes your post more effective metanoia.org/suicide/

[Hyper]

I agree with you on the point there is no ''understanding it'' in the sense it is devoid of any logic.

But since you haven't been there, reading your post, you should know that people who are ''there'' seriously thinking of it &/or end up doing it there is nothing you could call ''fear'' it's past the picket fence where nothing makes sense anymore and to describe emotions at that stage through words would be blatantly retarded.

In a sense people who do it, do it because they've lost hope and to truly lose hope is something that literally does make life meaningless.

''I want to go anywhere but here and now''

Is it selfish? Cowardly? I think so but even the bravest people if they truly reach that mental state will struggle and struggle.

[Random3r]

i dont get it,, i dont understand some peoples oppinions? if you are feeling down or have no friends do you really think you are the only one?? if it was possible to make all the people with these problems meet, im sure at least half of you would make friends and gain a new experience from it. theres always someone worse off!! it may be ignorand and selfish but the amount of problems i have and things thrown at me to push me off the straight and narrow is untrue but you have to just keep on going,, i laugh at the things that go wrong these days as to say ha its all gone tits up agin what a supprise. please dont do anything stupid serioustly :( mssge me or email me if you wanna talk please!

[Mical Lumb]

Well life is to live not to die and to suicide. Because life is given once not again and again. We human being has no right to do suicide.

[MadManWithaBox]

Well I've made several suicide attempts. And while quite a lot of those were due to my alter, I know that at the precise times of doing it, it was my only option. I doubt whether anybody could have talked me out of it. Yes it is selfish, I completely agree. But sometimes it may seem like the only option, and desperation can make people do stupid things.

[Nevermore]

Aiden I had zero hope. I felt and I thought I was completely alone. Going home from school from being bullied to a house hold with screaming, and no talking again, it's hard to maintain a positive attitude about life. I was convinced there was going to be no change, because if God would let this hell happen, I deserved it, and I wasn't going to let myself sit around and keep getting hurt. So I took action. I was hallucinating at the time. The voices were telling me to take as many pills as I could without getting in trouble. I thought if I took prescription pills I can say I just wanted relief from a headache if anything happened, so my parents wouldn't be too upset. I felt unloved. I was convinced no one would care. In fact if anyone cared, I wouldn't. I was that not with the world. I hated life, I hated me, and I hated everything. I was so full of anger and hurt I couldn't see a way out. Even being religious at the time, because I was on and off between Christianity and Atheism, I didn't care. I didn't care if I went to hell or purgatory because of it, because anything was better then here. If anyone wants I can explain in an email if you want in more vivid detail of my feelings and what I went through every day to get me to that point. I begged my parents for help. You have to understand that. The fact I was crying and pleading to take me out of the school, and that I needed professional help because I was depressed, and they didn't get me help. Until they found out about my cutting after 3 years of it.

[Random3r]

Aiden I had zero hope. I felt and I thought I was completely alone. Going home from school from being bullied to a house hold with screaming, and no talking again, it's hard to maintain a positive attitude about life. I was convinced there was going to be no change, because if God would let this hell happen, I deserved it, and I wasn't going to let myself sit around and keep getting hurt. So I took action. I was hallucinating at the time. The voices were telling me to take as many pills as I could without getting in trouble. I thought if I took prescription pills I can say I just wanted relief from a headache if anything happened, so my parents wouldn't be too upset. I felt unloved. I was convinced no one would care. In fact if anyone cared, I wouldn't. I was that not with the world. I hated life, I hated me, and I hated everything. I was so full of anger and hurt I couldn't see a way out. Even being religious at the time, because I was on and off between Christianity and Atheism, I didn't care. I didn't care if I went to hell or purgatory because of it, because anything was better then here. If anyone wants I can explain in an email if you want in more vivid detail of my feelings and what I went through every day to get me to that point. I begged my parents for help. You have to understand that. The fact I was crying and pleading to take me out of the school, and that I needed professional help because I was depressed, and they didn't get me help. Until they found out about my cutting after 3 years of it.

hey thats quite upsetting in away,, id pm you but i dont have enough posts yet to do so lol,, i genually do feel sorry for you and you can e-mail me as you said above if you want ,, i do find it quite interesting,, and by the sound of your situation i think you have done well to not do anything stupid,, would none of the teachers at the school you were at help??