Fetus Set To 'Testify' In Favor Of Ohio Anti-Abortion Bill

[ShyGuyInChicago]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/03/01/ohio-abortion-bill_n_829893.html?fbwall

A Christian pro-life group in Ohio is touting their plan to coordinate testimony of a nine-week old fetus -- the "youngest to ever testify" -- in favor of an anti-abortion bill.
"For the first time in a committee hearing, legislators will be able to see and hear the beating heart of a baby in the womb--just like the ones the Heartbeat Bill will protect," Janet (Folger) Porter, President of the group Faith2Action, said in a release.
In February, Ohio state Rep. Lynn Wachtmann (R) introduced a piece of legislation that would forbid abortions in any case in which the fetus had a detectable heartbeat, a development that can come as early as 18 days into a pregnancy.
"When a heartbeat of a baby is detected, that baby will be protected from abortion," Wachtmann told the Hudson Hub Times last month. "It's really as simple as that. ... As technology improves in medicine, as it continually does, that protection will move closer and closer to conception, which is I think for many of us what our ultimate goal of protecting life is."
ThinkProgress reports that the unlikelihood of the bill's success hasn't discouraged Faith2Action or the proposal's supporters:

Despite the probable failure of Porter's efforts, her sideshow has secured 50 cosponsors. But as NARAL Pro-Choice Ohio's executive director Kellie Copeland told ThinkProgress, "the committee won't hear from women who have made the profoundly personal decision to terminate a pregnancy." "The politicians behind this bill refuse to acknowledge what Ohioans understand: Every woman's situation is different, and it's unacceptable for anti-choice lawmakers to think they should make the personal, private decisions that belong to women and their doctors."

The testimony, which is set to take place Wednesday, will consist of projecting an ultrasound image of the pregnant woman's uterus onto a screen in the courtroom. The image will also show the fetus' heartbeat in color.

[UnknownError]

18 days? Some woman probably don't even know they're pregnant in that time.

[deadpie]

Ridiculous. And watch this shit end up working too.

Seventy seven percent of anti-abortion leaders are men. None of them will ever become pregnant.

Just sayin'.

[Iceman]

They should do this law for ants, mosquitos, and other various pests around the globe.

Not really.

[Kaya]

I agree with this. A heartbeat makes you a person.

[Iceman]

I agree with this. A heartbeat makes you a person.

If that's the case, here's the next President.
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-8ZMXBIMB0Yw/TWUkMqB95FI/AAAAAAAAAUw/9_9Oz_T2TOs/s1600/african-naked-mole-rat.jpg

[Kaya]

I mean withing the human species. NOT the animal kingdom.

[Iceman]

As a scientific law, you can't say a heartbeat makes something a person, because that will apply to everything.

Now you can say that within homosapiens a heartbeat makes a person, in which case I would ask why just within that group and not every other group.

[Kaya]

If you have a heartbeat you are a living thing, and therefore, shouldn't be killed.

[Iceman]

I hope you never step on an ant, slap a mosquito, or hit a bug with your Prius.

[Kaya]

I'm against abortion, not against killing a pesky bug. If we didn't kill bugs the world would be overrun by them. We don't need to kill a human being that could amount to something great in the world .(Ex: President, teacher, EXTERMINATOR)

[Iceman]

If you have a heartbeat you are a living thing, and therefore, shouldn't be killed.

Might want to change your views then, cause you contradict yourself.

[Kaya]

Oh well, I'm young. I can do that as much as I want, honestly.

[Jess]

so they won't let a woman have an abortion if the pregnancy was the result of rape, and they hear a heartbeat?

...

[Sage]

This is one of the most profoundly stupid things I have ever heard. This isn't going to win anyone over, this is just going to reinforce the views of people who already believe such stupid things. No matter what you think a fetus is, it can't speak. It lacks any sort of workable grasp of the english language and is much less capable of stringing together a thought on the issue at hand.

[Kaya]

Even if you're raped theres still adoption...it's not the babies fault theres some sicko out there who would do that to someone.

[Iceman]

Edit: It's not a baby, so we can stop calling it that. It is a fetus. With no feelings. And no emotions.

[Kaya]

They can feel so therefore they have feelings. And no, I won't call it a fetus. It's a baby. Not some lifeless creature. It's a human being. Like you, like me.

[Iceman]

I am not a fetus, and I will never want to be compared to one. I have a concept on things, I can think, I have a brain. A fetus does not.

Grass can feel, mosquitos, and ants can feel. They have feelings. Why kill them?

[Sage]

ITT: The same stupid fucking bullshit on this issue we've already made thousands upon thousands of identical posts on already.

[Kaya]

I called you a human being, not a fetus, smarty. And grass cannot feel. I already said my opinion on killing bugs.
This isn't my way of guilting anyone..but proof that the unborn baby has feelings and a brain: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cjNo_0cW-ek

[Jess]

Repeating what Kellie Copeland said...

"It's unacceptable for anti-choice lawmakers to think they should make the personal, private decisions that belong to women and their doctors."

edit: I wonder what the pregnant woman's say is in this.

[deadpie]

Oh, here we go again! Another thread with the SAME points on abortion debated about and it will go NOWHERE.


Even if you're raped theres still adoption...it's not the babies fault theres some sicko out there who would do that to someone.

Pregnancy IS allot more dangerous than having an abortion for a teenage girl, so think about that in the case of rape. Personally, I would never want to raise a kid knowing that the father is a rapist, nor would I want to lie over that thought to the child or even bare telling them. It's just, fuck. That's insane.

[Kaya]

It isn't about just the women anymore once she gets pregnant. It's about another life. That deserves to live their life. Even if they made it so that rape victims could abort their babies...what about the other people who could've just prevented their pregnancy in the first place.

Don't do something unless your willing to accept the consequences. Or, in this case, the blessings.

[Origami]

A child at the age of fifteen isn't a blessing.

[Sage]

Don't do something unless your willing to accept the consequences. Or, in this case, the blessings.

So, "Don't get raped"?

[Kaya]

I just said that even if a rape victim could get an abortian. Geez.

And a baby is always a blessing.
But, if you're 15 you could give away the baby to a family who can't conceive their own child.

[Sugaree]

Don't do something unless your willing to accept the consequences. Or, in this case, the blessings.

So if a woman gets raped, through obviously no fault of her own, she can't abort the fetus? Do you have any inkling of an idea how much pain it would be to look in the face of a child that was a product of your raping? So, really, you're just telling women not to get raped. Sounds like a good plan.

I just said that even if a rape victim could get an abortian. Geez.

*sigh* I suppose it is hard to read what you type before hitting "send" these days.

And a baby is always a blessing.

Being pregnant when you haven't even graduated high school isn't a blessing. You're implying that certain things are sacred. Nothing is sacred.

[deadpie]

It isn't about just the women anymore once she gets pregnant.

HOLD THE FUCK ON! So, if she just got raped, who gives a shit anymore. Screw her traumatic event that could possibly HAUNT HER for years. She needs to keep that baby now and live with it.

NO. The women is still a big part of it even when she's pregnant. What you said is the most disrespecting thing against women who get pregnant after getting raped. Like, seriously?


It's about another life. That deserves to live their life.

Even if the baby ends up dying at birth? I know that sounds dumb, but come on. The pregnant woman is a life too. There's always people that die after pregnancy. They've lived a longer life than this 'baby', so I would hope that they would be looked at as more of the one needing saved and helped.

Don't do something unless your willing to accept the consequences. Or, in this case, the blessings.

RAPE. You don't get a choice. It's sex without consent. Rape isn't a blessing. Origami has a point too.


I'm sorry if I'm coming off to being an asshole, but when it comes to people becoming completely ignorant to people in the case of rape, that boils my blood.

[Kaya]

Seriously, do I need to repeat myself AGAIN?

[Sage]

Seriously, do I need to repeat myself AGAIN?

No, but knowing how abortion debates go, that'll probably happen. I'll stop contributing to this clusterfuck of idiocy if you will. Deal?

[Sugaree]

Seriously, do I need to repeat myself AGAIN?

No, but you do need to read what you type before posting.

[Kaya]

I do read what I type.. Too many replies coming in at once, though.
Yes, Sage, I'll stop replying.

[Amnesiac]

>mfw outlawing abortion will lead to more abortions
>mfw Clinton was right with "safe, legal, rare"
>mfw when he'll always be right

I have no face.

[Apparitions]

Another example of silly religious people forcing their views on others. People should be allowed to choose whether they want to keep it.

[embers]

And a baby is always a blessing.

I want you to go have a baby now, cope with the difficulties and still call it a blessing.

[Nevermore]

Lmao! I'm sorry that made me laugh.. I feel bad now. I am a strong believer in pro-choice, especially when it comes to things like rape. I however don't believe in abortion unless it's a rape case or indangers the life of the mother. If we made abortion illegal then it's going to be done illegally, no matter what. Wouldn't it just be better to be done where no one is harmed in a hospital? Yes, you could say the same things with drugs, but drugs can kill more then one "innocent party."

I think the fact they are testifying a fetus is ridiculous. Its probably going to work. (sigh)

[Sith Lord 13]

This is one of the most profoundly stupid things I have ever heard. This isn't going to win anyone over, this is just going to reinforce the views of people who already believe such stupid things. No matter what you think a fetus is, it can't speak. It lacks any sort of workable grasp of the english language and is much less capable of stringing together a thought on the issue at hand.

It's more evidence then testimony. Calling it testimony is just for show.

Edit: It's not a baby, so we can stop calling it that. It is a fetus. With no feelings. And no emotions.

Actually it is.

http://wordnetweb.princeton.edu/perl/webwn?s=baby

Definition 4: S: (n) baby (an unborn child; a human fetus) "I felt healthy and very feminine carrying the baby"; "it was great to feel my baby moving about inside"


They can feel so therefore they have feelings. And no, I won't call it a fetus. It's a baby. Not some lifeless creature. It's a human being. Like you, like me.

Fetus =/= lifeless creature. IT's an appropriate term for an unborn baby.

I am not a fetus, and I will never want to be compared to one. I have a concept on things, I can think, I have a brain. A fetus does not.

Grass can feel, mosquitos, and ants can feel. They have feelings. Why kill them?

So what does make a newborn different from a fetus? What's the thing that makes it a life. What changes in that split second? And not the legal definition, the real reason.

Repeating what Kellie Copeland said...

"It's unacceptable for anti-choice lawmakers to think they should make the personal, private decisions that belong to women and their doctors."

edit: I wonder what the pregnant woman's say is in this.

The unborn child should have the most say.

So if a woman gets raped, through obviously no fault of her own, she can't abort the fetus? Do you have any inkling of an idea how much pain it would be to look in the face of a child that was a product of your raping? So, really, you're just telling women not to get raped. Sounds like a good plan.

That's what adoption is for.