What do YOU think is wrong?

[mightywhitey]

It is most likely that everyone in this forum believes something isn't right with the world (and NOT urselves) I would be willing to listen or even talk about it if you want. Here I shall start:

I believe beyond a shadow of a doubt that the events in this world should NOT have unfolded as they have. Money, advanced technologies, forms of gov't, emotional responses...NONE of it should exist. If we lived as wild beast, there wouldn't be any of the major problems, no over population, no worry of how to make ends meet, nobody would be worried ab whats going on halfway around the world, bc they would be too concerned with whats happening around and to them...WHICH I BELIEVE IS HOW IT SHOULD BE...

if everybody would just worry ab themselves and those closest to them and nothing else, then the world would be simple as well as "healthy" (by healthy i mean that there wouldnt be food shortages, no controlling of the masses, and nobody worrying about their job or money, or stress over things they cant control, as well as many other things of course.)

so thats my opinion, feel free to respond OR comment your own thoughts, I really look forward to seeing the responses

[Syvelocin]

I agree with that actually, quite strongly. Just wait for some VTers to come and shoot them down however.

[Amnesiac]

I believe beyond a shadow of a doubt that the events in this world should NOT have unfolded as they have. Money, advanced technologies, forms of gov't, emotional responses...NONE of it should exist. If we lived as wild beast, there wouldn't be any of the major problems, no over population, no worry of how to make ends meet, nobody would be worried ab whats going on halfway around the world, bc they would be too concerned with whats happening around and to them...WHICH I BELIEVE IS HOW IT SHOULD BE...

if everybody would just worry ab themselves and those closest to them and nothing else, then the world would be simple as well as "healthy" (by healthy i mean that there wouldnt be food shortages, no controlling of the masses, and nobody worrying about their job or money, or stress over things they cant control, as well as many other things of course.)

so thats my opinion, feel free to respond OR comment your own thoughts, I really look forward to seeing the responses

Yes, it would be delightful to squander the enormous intelligence of the human race so we could live as apes.

You do know that humans would have fallen near the bottom of the food chain if it weren't for our intelligence, right? Without all the advancements we've made, we probably wouldn't exist.

[Perseus]

I would like to just point out one thing in your post since I'm doing something at the moment - if we were to revert back to wild animals, there would be food shortage since we wouldn't have agriculutre and animal husbandry. Droughts lead to famine, no matter what species you are. I would not want to have to chance of dying at a young age because some wild mountain lion killed me. Technology is what I like. I'm facinated by it.

[Syvelocin]

I would like to just point out one thing in your post since I'm doing something at the moment - if we were to revert back to wild animals, there would be food shortage since we wouldn't have agriculutre and animal husbandry. Droughts lead to famine, no matter what species you are. I would not want to have to chance of dying at a young age because some wild mountain lion killed me. Technology is what I like. I'm facinated by it.

I agree, though if it's all you ever knew, you wouldn't think that.

I wouldn't give this up to go back, but I agree with what he said in that the world wasn't "supposed" to be like this (fuck what it was supposed to be, there is no supposed to be, but looking at the earth, how it was for the majority of its life, I don't feel like it should have been this way, you know? Vast pastures and forests feels like what nature intended the world to be. Not pollution and skyscrapers, etc).

[Dorsum Oppel]

I agree, though if it's all you ever knew, you wouldn't think that.

I wouldn't give this up to go back, but I agree with what he said in that the world wasn't "supposed" to be like this (fuck what it was supposed to be, there is no supposed to be, but looking at the earth, how it was for the majority of its life, I don't feel like it should have been this way, you know? Vast pastures and forests feels like what nature intended the world to be. Not pollution and skyscrapers, etc).

Go join a cult then.

I agree that there is a lot of useless shit technologies out there, and that even the useful ones come with a toll, but I'm not going to become a luddite. I want to be a substance liver on a homestead powered by horse shit and sun rays, for mostly environmental moralfag and self reliance fueled reasons, but I wouldn't shun all innovation and become a wild animal. We've gotten to great heights, but it's our decision what we do with those heights. We have the minds to choose what technologies we use and the minds to know what their consequences are. Tech isn't the problem, it's the people using it.

I also don't beleive that Nature has a big plan. She seems like a rather impartial lady to me. Be careful when personifying the cosmos, babe.

[Sage]

This thread is what's wrong with the world.

[insanity]

Nothings right with the world. no one will ever be happy and people will always be able to think of something thats wrong with the world. Everything is wrong with the world.

[Sage]

Also, poor attitudes.

[insanity]

yup, ive got a poor attitude. That is also wrong, but if everyone had good attitudes things would still be wrong, everyone would just be sadisticaly happy about bad things.

[Dorsum Oppel]

yup, ive got a poor attitude. That is also wrong, but if everyone had good attitudes things would still be wrong, everyone would just be sadisticaly happy about bad things.

Dude, watch it. You're getting regressed childhood anger all over my new shoes.

[Iron Man]

Capitalism, for one. It is a completely flawed system because the greed makes the worst out of people, those at the bottom of this system are like the serfs or peasants of society that actually work hard but get shit, and it is just a block of C4 waiting to be detonated. I also think most fetishes are wrong, abortion (except in cases of danger to the mother or rape), and the Disney Channel.

[Sogeking]

People, for the most part, don't care about anyone other than themselves, they always seek self-gratification. It is a cruel world we live in.

[Donkey]

It is most likely that everyone in this forum believes something isn't right with the world (and NOT urselves) I would be willing to listen or even talk about it if you want. Here I shall start:
I don't believe anything is "wrong" per say, but from a first person perspective I personally disagree with some of the opinions of some people and thus some actions carried out by others.


I believe beyond a shadow of a doubt that the events in this world should NOT have unfolded as they have.
The chaos theory disagrees. Nothing has gone wrong, you might just disagree with it. So what? There will be other people who think it's brilliant - whether you've considered it or not, human emotion is kind of irrelevant anyway, unless you believe that the world only exists through perception and that it is not objective/literal.

Money, advanced technologies, forms of gov't, emotional responses...NONE of it should exist.
We evolved. What you see around you - technology, motor cars, showers, toiletries - it's all from our intelligence and as a life form we have excelled as a result, we are multiplying rapidly and and any individual human on average is at a far lower risk of death than any animal.

If we lived as wild beast, there wouldn't be any of the major problems, no over population, no worry of how to make ends meet, nobody would be worried ab whats going on halfway around the world, bc they would be too concerned with whats happening around and to them...WHICH I BELIEVE IS HOW IT SHOULD BE...
Anarchy? I believe strongly that organised anarchy is the best way forwards, setting it in is the problem. I don't believe we should live as "wild beasts" because we are not, humans are intelligent and can use their intelligence to protect themselves. Just imagine the world as it is today but with no authority, no one above you - just love. There would be no hate; no need for hate as there is no money, no greed and no reason to hurt other human beings. No one is born with hatred. It is learned.

if everybody would just worry ab themselves and those closest to them and nothing else, then the world would be simple as well as "healthy" (by healthy i mean that there wouldnt be food shortages
lolwut? Incorrect. The Irish would constantly eat potatoes and the British would constantly eat bread. World transport and circulation of goods is the most healthy way for humans to eat and to ensure everyone is getting the right amount of good food. Think for a moment - anarchy would be much better as intelligent humans, not as animalistic survivalists.

no controlling of the masses, and nobody worrying about their job or money, or stress over things they cant control, as well as many other things of course.)
Agreed.

[Iceman]

I don't really know if anything is "wrong" in this world.
I actually do not like the word wrong, simply because it's opinionated. If you tell someone what they're doing is "wrong" it's stating an opinion.

[Origami]

I'm having loin chops for dinner.
We're cooking them on a grill.

Sounds about right to me, I prefer my meat a little less... bloody, is you will.

[Sage]

I believe beyond a shadow of a doubt that the events in this world should NOT have unfolded as they have.

If this isn't how things were supposed to happen, then why did they?

[Luxe]

Capitalism, for one. It is a completely flawed system because the greed makes the worst out of people, those at the bottom of this system are like the serfs or peasants of society that actually work hard but get shit, and it is just a block of C4 waiting to be detonated. I also think most fetishes are wrong, abortion (except in cases of danger to the mother or rape), and the Disney Channel.

1. You choose to condemn capitalism above communism? Yes, there may be some flaws in it but surly a society where we have free will is better than one where everything is owned and controlled by 'big brother'.

2. Abortion is a choice, if a woman does not feel that she can bring a child into this world (this world horribly riddled with capitalism) then she should not be forced to.

3. The Disney Channel thing? Agreed, though I did used to watch it when I was a kid.

[Iceman]

This education system, we are forced through.

[Wicked_Syn]

This education system, we are forced through.

I highly agree. The education system the USA has in place is pretty trashy. I go to public school, but want to go to a private school. But I can't afford it. My school district is REALLY, REALLY TIGHT on cash budgets right now. We've been merging all the city schools together - really crowding up the schools, therefor providing a less educational atmosphere for kids to go to. Plus the kids who GET A FREE EDUCATION, YET DON'T GIVE A SHIT ABOUT SCHOOL WHAT SO EVER, AND WOULD RATHER TREAT THE TEACHER BAD, shouldn't be allowed to go. There are other kids out in the world who would kill for that spot. So let's stop wasting the schools money on these kids..please. Better for us, and for the surrounding.

[Craig1995]

Capitalism is probably one of the best current regimes. You have to be mad to deny that
" the peasants of society that actually work hard and get shit"
I hate it when people say that. In MOST western capitalist regemes every one is equally educated and has the equal chance to WORK HARD and get the qualifications that lead to a decent earning rather than the pains in skl who think there cool because they talk back to the teacher and fail there exams which will lead to yes them getting "shit" but that was of there own accord.

[Amnesiac]

Capitalism, for one. It is a completely flawed system because the greed makes the worst out of people, those at the bottom of this system are like the serfs or peasants of society that actually work hard but get shit, and it is just a block of C4 waiting to be detonated. I also think most fetishes are wrong, abortion (except in cases of danger to the mother or rape), and the Disney Channel.

True liberalism would advocate capitalism. Why? Because it's maximum economic freedom and easily the most successful system in recorded history. Sure, not everyone gets off well, but no system is perfect. Or would you rather have communism, where nobody's allowed to advance to any higher position in life?

[Cosmic]

True liberalism would advocate capitalism. Why? Because it's maximum economic freedom and easily the most successful system in recorded history. Sure, not everyone gets off well, but no system is perfect. Or would you rather have communism, where nobody's allowed to advance to any higher position in life?

You've misunderstood communism if you think that's the case... And one can be socially Libertarian without being economically so; in fact many would argue that Capitalism is so overwhelmingly controlling of the lower classes it inevitably creates, that it is entirely counter-productive to the ideals of a Liberal lifestyle.

Conversely, Communism seeks to empower everyone as equally as possible, thus allowing everyone a chance to thrive individually, but not at the expense of others. I would argue that is almost more Libertarian than Capitalism, though I suspect I will be hotly contested on that side of the argument.

[Amnesiac]

You've misunderstood communism if you think that's the case... And one can be socially Libertarian without being economically so; in fact many would argue that Capitalism is so overwhelmingly controlling of the lower classes it inevitably creates, that it is entirely counter-productive to the ideals of a Liberal lifestyle.

Conversely, Communism seeks to empower everyone as equally as possible, thus allowing everyone a chance to thrive individually, but not at the expense of others. I would argue that is almost more Libertarian than Capitalism, though I suspect I will be hotly contested on that side of the argument.

That depends on what a "liberal lifestyle" is. Since liberals say they advocate personal freedom, they should support a system in which the individual has almost no boundaries placed by the state that block him/her from moving up the class ladder.

I've read The Communist Manifesto and I know the workings of communism. Yes, essentially, Marxism aims to relinquish the world of the class system and empower the "working class" (which doesn't exist any more, considering how most people in Western economies work in the service industry). However, pure communism as it was envisioned originally is impossible. Essentially all of the communist governments ever established have stalled at the dictatorship of the proletariat stage of the 'revolution,' where the state appoints people to their positions in society and keeps them there. It's like the entire population of a country has been 'equalized', thrust into the working class with no other classes higher or lower. It's pretty much the same as saying that communism just doesn't let people "rise up".

[Cosmic]

That depends on what a "liberal lifestyle" is. Since liberals say they advocate personal freedom, they should support a system in which the individual has almost no boundaries placed by the state that block him/her from moving up the class ladder.

I've read The Communist Manifesto and I know the workings of communism. Yes, essentially, Marxism aims to relinquish the world of the class system and empower the "working class" (which doesn't exist any more, considering how most people in Western economies work in the service industry). However, pure communism as it was envisioned originally is impossible. Essentially all of the communist governments ever established have stalled at the dictatorship of the proletariat stage of the 'revolution,' where the state appoints people to their positions in society and keeps them there. It's like the entire population of a country has been 'equalized', thrust into the working class with no other classes higher or lower. It's pretty much the same as saying that communism just doesn't let people "rise up".

The working class doesn't exist? I think you need to do more research on the UK - we are a perfect example of a classist society with very poor social mobility. Given that fact, one would presumably have a massive issue with the idea of Liberalism that you've stated because it suggests that the State should not control people, but other people can control people - which is counter-intuitive, and actually somewhat paradoxical.

That ISN'T communism though, and we're arguing what should be the case, not what is the case. Communist countries can not work in a Capitalist world; that's relatively self explanatory (well, unless the country is ENTIRELY self sufficient). But that's simply demonstrative of the original question; what's wrong with this world? Capitalism. Why? It prevents Communism from succeeding and evolving into a total state of freedom.

[Amnesiac]

The working class doesn't exist? I think you need to do more research on the UK - we are a perfect example of a classist society with very poor social mobility. Given that fact, one would presumably have a massive issue with the idea of Liberalism that you've stated because it suggests that the State should not control people, but other people can control people - which is counter-intuitive, and actually somewhat paradoxical.

The working class that Marx held in such high regard certainly does not exist in modern times. Today's workers have high wages, access to healthcare and permanent homes, and are safe from workplace dangerous. Those are basics that the workers of the 1840s didn't have, and made up one of Marx's main arguments as to why a communist economic system should have been established in Europe.

That ISN'T communism though, and we're arguing what should be the case, not what is the case. Communist countries can not work in a Capitalist world; that's relatively self explanatory (well, unless the country is ENTIRELY self sufficient). But that's simply demonstrative of the original question; what's wrong with this world? Capitalism. Why? It prevents Communism from succeeding and evolving into a total state of freedom.

I don't see what you're trying to say here. Communism is simply impossible as long as human emotion exists. You can't have a system where everyone is treated equally if people are willing to step over others in order to gain power. Remove that instinct and then pure communism is possible. It's very difficult to say that if capitalism didn't exist, communism would evolve into a "total state of freedom". It's only natural for people to have the will to gain power and be the best, which is why capitalism works – because it takes advantage of such predispositions.

[Cosmic]

The working class that Marx held in such high regard certainly does not exist in modern times. Today's workers have high wages, access to healthcare and permanent homes, and are safe from workplace dangerous. Those are basics that the workers of the 1840s didn't have, and made up one of Marx's main arguments as to why a communist economic system should have been established in Europe.

Class is relative; whilst they have healthcare and other benefits now, they still experience poorer housing conditions, exploitation, lower education levels, poorer health, are more susceptible to illness, and thus those two culminate into a significantly lower average lifespan, they suffer higher stress levels, and perform menial tasks for a distinctly lower pay whilst others live in excess. The inequality that Marx was so vehemently against is still manifested in today's societies (and on the world stage, well, I don't even need to illustrate how unequal we are internationally).

I don't see what you're trying to say here. Communism is simply impossible as long as human emotion exists. You can't have a system where everyone is treated equally if people are willing to step over others in order to gain power. Remove that instinct and then pure communism is possible. It's very difficult to say that if capitalism didn't exist, communism would evolve into a "total state of freedom". It's only natural for people to have the will to gain power and be the best, which is why capitalism works – because it takes advantage of such predispositions.

That's an absurd argument, given that communism is driven by compassion and empathy; two emotions/thought processes which require sophisticated emotional intelligence to be achieved. Capitalism is cyclical in that it creates competition. We are then socialised into that competitive way, thus encouraging our own selfishness and making it a necessity for success.

[Amnesiac]

Class is relative; whilst they have healthcare and other benefits now, they still experience poorer housing conditions, exploitation, lower education levels, poorer health, are more susceptible to illness, and thus those two culminate into a significantly lower average lifespan, they suffer higher stress levels, and perform menial tasks for a distinctly lower pay whilst others live in excess. The inequality that Marx was so vehemently against is still manifested in today's societies (and on the world stage, well, I don't even need to illustrate how unequal we are internationally).

Yes, but those factors aren't prevalent on a scale that makes any sort of worker-driven 'revolution' possible. Since conditions have improved and the working class has declined from making up a majority of jobs in the developed world to a minority, there's nothing to drive such massive change.

That's an absurd argument, given that communism is driven by compassion and empathy; two emotions/thought processes which require sophisticated emotional intelligence to be achieved. Capitalism is cyclical in that it creates competition. We are then socialised into that competitive way, thus encouraging our own selfishness and making it a necessity for success.

I disagree. Greed is a natural human instinct. I don't believe capitalism is the reason we see so much greed in trade these days as much as it's only normal for people to want power. Communism, on the other hand, tries to repress such feelings, and ultimately fails. While I agree that communism is driven by compassion and empathy, it's unable to sustain such emotional furor for a long enough time that a revolution can be complete in full.

[Cosmic]

Yes, but those factors aren't prevalent on a scale that makes any sort of worker-driven 'revolution' possible. Since conditions have improved and the working class has declined from making up a majority of jobs in the developed world to a minority, there's nothing to drive such massive change.

That is completely untrue, by far and away the working class is an overwhelming majority. For example, the poorest 50% of the UK's population owns just SEVEN % of the wealth (http://www.statistics.gov.uk/cci/nugget.asp?id=2).

I disagree. Greed is a natural human instinct. I don't believe capitalism is the reason we see so much greed in trade these days as much as it's only normal for people to want power. Communism, on the other hand, tries to repress such feelings, and ultimately fails. While I agree that communism is driven by compassion and empathy, it's unable to sustain such emotional furor for a long enough time that a revolution can be complete in full.

Capitalism inducts people into a mode of competition; they are forced to be self-obsessed in order to succeed, and in doing so, it quells any attempt not to be greedy... you HAVE to be greedy to succeed in our society. Thus, I would argue that the EASIER argument is that it's a natural part of being human, but the argument that is most well reasoned (i.e., that of socialisation) I would argue is most rational, if only because instincts are relatively uniform, and I'm afraid greed and selfish behaviour simply isn't; it manifests itself in varying levels, and sometimes not at all dependent on each individual.

[Sugaree]

I think it's wrong to make threads asking other people what they perceive as wrong.

[Sage]

I think it's wrong to get teenagers riled up and rambling over things they know little about.

[Nevermore]

I think that everything happens for a reason and has a purpose. If we do what is wrong, then it's wrong, so this today world could be wrong. If it is, it will fix itself right in the end and be how it's supposed to be whther its the end of the world, and the earth has to be remade, or it's simply staying as it is because it's right. I think that we shouldn't pollute it, and there are alot of things we are doing to kill ourselves and our planet. We are parasites on the planet, like a parasite if we kill what we are living off of we will die with it. Our earth has several climax communities. If we kill them off to the point they can't repair themselves anymore then we will face our demise. That means killing our natural resources all of them to the point which they can't repair. So as long as we aren't killing ourselves or the planet, I see technology as a neccessary evil. Technology can kill us, and make things better. As long as we have a stable middle then things will be okay.

[jack straw]

An interesting point, and quite a valid one too in many respects. Money definately can corrupt, power can definately corrupt, goverments are often corrupt and such things take away from the very nature of humanity. But if we were to nuke it all, wipe our minds of any notions of civilization and live off the land amongst the animals, there would still be indifrences. Darwinisim, my friend is a theory which reigns true in nature. If we didnt have money or cars, we would fight over who had the best acorns or nuts. The men with the biggest dicks would be in charge, pleasure would reign king until winter came, at which point we all would freeze and be miseralbe and begin to rationalize. Food is gone in winter. Cant eat all the food in summer. need a system to ration food. some people would naturally show skills in certian areas, others would in other areas. no longer would we be an anarchist society, but one with the begginings of structure and order. eventually laws would be established, broken and punishments set for the. We would rebuild ourselves. Its human nature.

If men were angles, there would be no need for goverment.

While goverment is far from perfect, it is indeed an inevitable path for society

[Kaya]

Child abuse, animal abuse, sexual abuse, domestic abuse, etc

[jack straw]

That is completely untrue, by far and away the working class is an overwhelming majority. For example, the poorest 50% of the UK's population owns just SEVEN % of the wealth (http://www.statistics.gov.uk/cci/nugget.asp?id=2).



Capitalism inducts people into a mode of competition; they are forced to be self-obsessed in order to succeed, and in doing so, it quells any attempt not to be greedy... you HAVE to be greedy to succeed in our society. Thus, I would argue that the EASIER argument is that it's a natural part of being human, but the argument that is most well reasoned (i.e., that of socialisation) I would argue is most rational, if only because instincts are relatively uniform, and I'm afraid greed and selfish behaviour simply isn't; it manifests itself in varying levels, and sometimes not at all dependent on each individual.

Untrue, and while it often us the case it is certianly not the rule. Communisim is the perfect system, but can only exist in a perfect world. As long as humans are part of that equasion, it cant happen. While our instincts are relatively uniform, our skills and abilities are far from it, and certian skills and certian abilities will carry certian indididuals further than others. It is human nature to want to be good at something and make a difference, and through human nature competition spawns. Please make a note though between healthy and unhealthy competiton. One brings community, one brings greed. The idea of capitalism is to utalize the first, but too often the second part reigns true. When society becomes too focused on the here and now, we fall into a rut of getting ahead. when we focus on becomming better togther, capitalism can be the best system out there; through good ol fashion inguniety and hard work America has been able to pull through some tough times and show how we can prevail. Communist nations, when they hit tough times, just freak out, fear rebellion and tighten up their control

[Sage]

I think that everything happens for a reason and has a purpose.

A lot of people don't believe that's true, however. I don't see any inherent purpose to anything- purpose is just an imagining, a concept that exists entirely in our heads. It's not real or tangible.

[jack straw]

A lot of people don't believe that's true, however. I don't see any inherent purpose to anything- purpose is just an imagining, a concept that exists entirely in our heads. It's not real or tangible.

Ahh, an eternal question for which we will probably never no the answer too. Why? to everything. why are we here? why does electricity work? Why does physics make sense? With the infinate number of variables, is it possible for there to be a plan? And yet if there werent a plan, if it were all just random chance, is it really possible for things to be as they are?

[Sugaree]

Ahh, an eternal question for which we will probably never no the answer too. Why? to everything. why are we here? why does electricity work? Why does physics make sense? With the infinate number of variables, is it possible for there to be a plan? And yet if there werent a plan, if it were all just random chance, is it really possible for things to be as they are?

First, look at Tim's post.

A lot of people don't believe that's true, however. I don't see any inherent purpose to anything- purpose is just an imagining, a concept that exists entirely in our heads. It's not real or tangible.

Now back to yours.

Ahh, an eternal question for which we will probably never no the answer too. Why? to everything. why are we here? why does electricity work? Why does physics make sense? With the infinate number of variables, is it possible for there to be a plan? And yet if there werent a plan, if it were all just random chance, is it really possible for things to be as they are?

Now back to Tim's.

A lot of people don't believe that's true, however. I don't see any inherent purpose to anything- purpose is just an imagining, a concept that exists entirely in our heads. It's not real or tangible.

Now back to yours.

Ahh, an eternal question for which we will probably never no the answer too. Why? to everything. why are we here? why does electricity work? Why does physics make sense? With the infinate number of variables, is it possible for there to be a plan? And yet if there werent a plan, if it were all just random chance, is it really possible for things to be as they are?

Sadly, you do not understand his point. Purposes are only imagined by those who can not explain a happening. Concepts are the same; no one can rightfully explain them because it is nothing more than imaginations going wild. Not only is your post completely out-of-the-blue random, but it is also off-topic and has no suitable place in this debate.