Should priests be allowed to get married in order to curb sexual abuse

[ShyGuyInChicago]

Many have said that priests should be able to marry. One reason is to curb sexual abuse because priests being required to live a life of celibacy has been accused of contributing to sexual abuse.

[Ryhanna]

Sure they should be able to marry. It's never really made sense to me that dedicating your life to God = no marriage.

It would probably help stop sexual abuse within the church. It seems that a lot of it is connected to the celibacy rule.

[nick]

Yes of course they should be allowed to marry, although as most of the abuse seems to involve boys it might not help that much. The early church did not have the rule of celibacy, in fact many of the apostles are believed to have married. In the catholic church the rules of celibacy date from the First Lateran Council of 1123.

[Korashk]

Letting them get married would do pretty much nothing in terms of reducing the sexual abuse of the children, which is what figure the topic refers to.

[Sogeking]

Letting them get married would do pretty much nothing in terms of reducing the sexual abuse of the children, which is what figure the topic refers to. What makes you so sure about that?

[Korashk]

What makes you so sure about that?
Pedophilia is a mental disorder. You can't cure it. People don''t just rape kids out of sexual frustration.

[Azunite]

Why they arent allowed anyway? Here imams can marry ( and well they sometimes have many wives :P )

[Continuum]

Why they arent allowed anyway? Here imams can marry ( and well they sometimes have many wives :P )

*Ahem*

The sacrament of Holy Orders sees to it that you wholly dedicate yourself to God, take pleasure on Him instead on other luxuries and whatnot, which is arguably the most blatant attempt to remove the sex drive. In Orthodox Christianity, priests are always allowed to marry and help themselves because it's their right. Nobody can live a whole lifetime as a celibate and not go mad of it because it's an instinct. It's like sexually starving a dog for the rest of its life.

Pedophilia is a mental disorder. You can't cure it. People don''t just rape kids out of sexual frustration.

Some only take it on children because they are thought to be frail and submissive. Children are often not affined to speak of anything they know is wrong. That is, sexually frustrated priests can take this as an advantage.

[Jess]

they should be able to marry. I don't see why they can't.

[embers]

Pedophilia is a mental disorder. You can't cure it. People don''t just rape kids out of sexual frustration.

But paedophilia isn't the sole source of minors being sexually abused. It can happen because of sexual frustration, among other things.

[gingeylover14]

im 4 it i think u should b able 2 b w/ the one u love even if u do dedicate urself 2 god

[Azunite]

im 4 it i think u should b able 2 b w/ the one u love even if u do dedicate urself 2 god

I'll get back to you once I understand that text.

[thebige]

yes they should

[Donkey]

Has anyone else noticed that this is like putting metal poles in women's vaginas to avoid them getting raped. Useless measures for something that shouldn't be happening anyway. Priests should have as many rights as anyone else, as they are humans, but if the Catholic religion or whatever says that they shouldn't get married then I would religiously go by that word - giving them the ability to marry only for the purpose to stop them fiddling kiddies would be ridiculous. It would generalise priests in general, go against the religion that they are actually there for in the first place, and overall just be an aimlessly easy thing to criticise, and cause more controversy than it's worth.

How about we invest in some blow up sex dolls?

[The Dark Lord]

im 4 it i think u should b able 2 b w/ the one u love even if u do dedicate urself 2 god

Before posting in future, would you mind translating your posts into English please?

Priests shouldn't be sexually abusing anyone in the first place.

[Azunite]

Has anyone else noticed that this is like putting metal poles in women's vaginas to avoid them getting raped. Useless measures for something that shouldn't be happening anyway. Priests should have as many rights as anyone else, as they are humans, but if the Catholic religion or whatever says that they shouldn't get married then I would religiously go by that word - giving them the ability to marry only for the purpose to stop them fiddling kiddies would be ridiculous. It would generalise priests in general, go against the religion that they are actually there for in the first place, and overall just be an aimlessly easy thing to criticise, and cause more controversy than it's worth.

How about we invest in some blow up sex dolls?

That's what I think. They are humans too, like us. Only difference is that they work in a church everyday and they work for the good of religion.

[TravM]

.... I really didn't even know that they weren't allowed to marry. xD Yeah, I guess I'm slow. I'm not religious, but of course I believe they should have the right to marry.

[Bluesman]

Of course. Even from a biblical point of view, God supports sex in marriage. So why should priests be any different. It's a lot better to have priests fucking their wives than little girls...

[Dunce]

I think they should be allowed to marry but that's just because I think no one should be deprived of marriage if they want it. But, I mean, priests choose to be priests, they already know they cant get married. And if they cant handle that without abusing children then dont become a fecking priest.

[UnknownError]

I went to church when I was young (no religion now) and the minister was married with two kids.
I suppose you're talking about America or something?
Anyway, yes they should be allowed to marry. TBH I didn't know that they couldn't.

[Dunce]

I went to church when I was young (no religion now) and the minister was married with two kids.
I suppose you're talking about America or something?
Anyway, yes they should be allowed to marry. TBH I didn't know that they couldn't.

Catholic priests aren't. I'm guessing yours was protestant or something? If it was catholic then I dunno :/ Catholic priests cant marry though.

[Korashk]

Some only take it on children because they are thought to be frail and submissive. Children are often not affined to speak of anything they know is wrong. That is, sexually frustrated priests can take this as an advantage.
Source?

But paedophilia isn't the sole source of minors being sexually abused. It can happen because of sexual frustration, among other things.
I know that pedophilia isn't the only cause, but is one of those other causes a significant factor in molestation by priests?

[Iron Man]

You would think a thorough background and psychological check would do a justice. With all that money they got from hopeless idiots, they could at least try it.

[Donkey]

Source?
Why do you see the need to ask for a 'source'? Unless you are ordering a meal, there is no justifiable reason to ask for a sauce. In seriousness, one journalist may have an opinion and write in a biased fashion toward that opinion, by no means does that writing then constitute as being superior to that of a poster on this site. Sources can be inaccurate, twisted and often just made up. It only takes a small taste of the media to work that out. How about instead of demanding sources and not explaining why, you provide your own to suggest why exactly you find his statement particularly unlikely?

[Korashk]

Why do you see the need to ask for a 'source'? Unless you are ordering a meal, there is no justifiable reason to ask for a sauce. In seriousness, one journalist may have an opinion and write in a biased fashion toward that opinion, by no means does that writing then constitute as being superior to that of a poster on this site. Sources can be inaccurate, twisted and often just made up. It only takes a small taste of the media to work that out. How about instead of demanding sources and not explaining why, you provide your own to suggest why exactly you find his statement particularly unlikely?
Do you not know how debating works?

[Donkey]

Do you not know how debating works?
How exactly does it work? I thought it was an expression and discussion of different beliefs, with the optional possibility of providing evidence to support argument. Like anything, there is no set way to debate and if you think so perhaps you are a little ignorant. Constantly asking for sources happens on this site, all it does is dumb debates down and ruin them while spamming and getting easy post count boosts.

[Korashk]

How exactly does it work? I thought it was an expression and discussion of different beliefs, with the optional possibility of providing evidence to support argument. Like anything, there is no set way to debate and if you think so perhaps you are a little ignorant. Constantly asking for sources happens on this site, all it does is dumb debates down and ruin them while spamming and getting easy post count boosts.
If you make a claim, and fail to support that claim with logical arguments, evidence, or both, there is quite literally no reason for anyone to take your claim seriously.

Should I just assume that every person that makes an un-sourced claim is telling the truth? The answer is no.

[Donkey]

If you make a claim, and fail to support that claim with logical arguments, evidence, or both, there is quite literally no reason for anyone to take your claim seriously.

Should I just assume that every person that makes an un-sourced claim is telling the truth? The answer is no.
By no means. However you have changed the topic, so your point is irrelevant. We are discussing methods of debating and how I feel that any way you like to debate is absolutely legitimate. You are now discussing what you perceive to be serious claims, when this isn't about what you think - it's about how people choose to debate. Asking for sources looks silly as it is just people expressing their opinions and ideas, whether those can be backed up by some Iranian Internet blog post or not. If we asked for sources for everything someone said in a debate, there'd be an entire bibliography at the end of every post here.

[Korashk]

By no means. However you have changed the topic, so your point is irrelevant. We are discussing methods of debating and how I feel that any way you like to debate is absolutely legitimate.
You're free to think that.

You are now discussing what you perceive to be serious claims, when this isn't about what you think - it's about how people choose to debate.
I'm pretty sure it's about asking a person to show that what they're claiming, is in fact true. If you cannot back up your claims, then you have no place in a debate.

Asking for sources looks silly as it is just people expressing their opinions and ideas,
Expressing opinions and ideas is not debating; it's discussing. This is not a forum for discussing alone. It is a forum for debating. I asked for a source showing that a claim made by someone in this thread is true.

whether those can be backed up by some Iranian Internet blog post or not.
Umm...I don't know what you've heard, but opinions are not sources. Sources are used to show the legitimacy of claims and usually involve stuff like research done on the topic at hand or data related to the topic at hand.

For instance, a source for the claim I asked for would be something like a survey of admitted molester priests that showed that some of them only raped kids because they were frail and submissive.

If we asked for sources for everything someone said in a debate, there'd be an entire bibliography at the end of every post here.
I'm not asking for a source backing up everything someone says. I'm asking for a source backing up a claim. Claims pretty much always require substantiation.

[Dorsum Oppel]

Sure they should be able to marry. It's never really made sense to me that dedicating your life to God = no marriage.

It would probably help stop sexual abuse within the church. It seems that a lot of it is connected to the celibacy rule.

Well, HolyHooker. Most men with blue-balls don't decide to go out and touch little boys, they buy whores.

[Limelight788]

Why should priests not be allowed to marry? As another person said, looking from a biblical term, God supports marriage. A priest marrying a woman and having children would not count as a sin, as a matter of fact, I only see good things coming from it.

[Sith Lord 13]

Yes. Removing the celibacy requirement would make it a less appealing position for pedos


You would think a thorough background and psychological check would do a justice. With all that money they got from hopeless idiots, they could at least try it.

Actually, most local parishes are struggling financially.

[joshuathebrainiac]

So I think that I should clarify so of the misconceptions that are being propagated in this forum.

Roman Catholic Priests can't marry.
Eastern non-Orthodox Priests can
Anglican Ministers whom become Roman Catholic Priests can if already
According to the FBI, the average rate of pedophilia in America is 6%, in Catholic Priests, its .07%. Who is the real pedophile.
Priests don't marry because they are married to the Church its a 24/7 life.
And for the most part after several real accusations, many many false ones came.

These are just for your information

[anonymous53]

Truthfully, I doubt that letting roman catholic priests get married would stop it from happening, but let them marry even if there is a SMALL chance it will help.