Anthropocentrism vs. Biocentrism

[Iceman]

Which do you hold to be greater?

[Syvelocin]

Biocentrism for me, most definitely. I absolutely hate how egotistical and self-absorbed most humans are, just because of the fact that we're humans. I see no reason in it. We are the worst thing that has ever happened to this planet, and we just keep taking and killing and destroying, it's sick. Humans are not the best thing and not the only thing in the world, we wouldn't be able to survive if it was just us humans. We are equally as important, not more.

[Sage]

We are the worst thing that has ever happened to this planet
I don't understand why people who claim to believe this don't kill themselves.

[Iceman]

Because it would do no good. 1 person out of 7 billion.

[Sage]

Because it would do no good. 1 person out of 7 billion.

Yes, why make any difference at all when you can just be misanthropic and spiteful towards your entire species?

[Iceman]

I'm throwing out a wild guess, that Sage, you agree with neither of these.

[Sage]

I'm throwing out a wild guess, that Sage, you agree with neither of these.

It is pointless to argue that any single thing in the known universe is more valuable than humanity when value is nothing more than a concept created by the human mind to process reality. It doesn't matter what's best for the planet- the planet has no feelings, it has no life of its own, it is simply a buffet table that we feast upon. We need only care about the condition of the buffet table so long as it is the only thing on the menu.

[Iceman]

But do you believe human is superior amongst the other species.

[Sage]

But do you believe human is superior amongst the other species.

Superior in what way?

[Iceman]

In the way that we process, the information presented to us. The way that we handle challanges, presented to us, and come up with a solution.

[Sage]

In the way that we process, the information presented to us. The way that we handle challanges, presented to us, and come up with a solution.

We can process information on a greater level than other animals and we can handle challenges presented to us more efficiently. If that's what constitutes superior, then yes, we are by all means superior to other life forms.

[Iceman]

How about overall superior.

[Sage]

How about overall superior.

If I wanted to answer vague questions I wouldn't have asked you to specify the first time.

[Iceman]

Do you have a viewpoint on animal rights?

[Sage]

Do you have a viewpoint on animal rights?

Save for companions and pets, animals have the right to remain tasty, delicious, and contribute to the biodiversity of the planet.

[Triceratops]

Anthropocentrism.
What the fuck would this world be with just animals? Seriously?

Humans have the wisdom, strength, skills, intelligence and capability (well, not all -__-) to make changes and improvements to this world, in order to create better living conditions.

[Sage]

Anthropocentrism.
What the fuck would this world be with just animals? Seriously?

Humans have the wisdom, strength, skills, intelligence and capability (well, not all -__-) to make changes and improvements to this world, in order to create better living conditions.

Everyone has within them an unfathomable potential to change the world and make something of themselves. That doesn't mean they'll all make the decision to live up to it, and that doesn't mean they'll all even acknowledge that potential. No, not all of them, not even a few. Those aware of their potential are a small and dangerous minority.

[embers]

What the fuck would this world be with just animals? Seriously?

Living in harmony and much, much cleaner.

Humans have the wisdom, strength, skills, intelligence and capability (well, not all -__-) to make changes and improvements to this world, in order to create better living conditions.

For ourselves only. If we didn't exist there'd be no need for 'better living conditions'. You speak of humans as if we aren't animals ourselves. We are.

[Sage]

Living in harmony and much, much cleaner.
So what?


For ourselves only.
That's exactly the point. Why do other organisms need to thrive for any other reason than to sustain us? They have little to no grasp of anything beyond their instincts and their own survival. That's what nature is all about: Survival. We're the dominant species on this planet, and if you dislike that, you're more than welcomed to go live and die in the wild.

[embers]

So what?

She asked. I answered. She phrased it as if she believed the world is not worthy of existence if there are no humans in it. Which is total bollocks. If anything, we're a mark of shame on the planet.

That's exactly the point. Why do other organisms need to thrive for any other reason than to sustain us? They have little to no grasp of anything beyond their instincts and their own survival. That's what nature is all about: Survival. We're the dominant species on this planet, and if you dislike that, you're more than welcomed to go live and die in the wild.

The way you phrased that makes it seem like you're implying that other organisms exist because humans exist. Nobody's here for a purpose (unless you are religious), and the same can be said about animals.

[Sage]

She phrased it as if she believed the world is not worthy of existence if there are no humans in it. Which is total bollocks. If anything, we're a mark of shame on the planet.

No, that's more than a fair statement, considering 'worth', and 'shame' are things that only exist in the human mind.

[embers]

No, that's more than a fair statement, considering 'worth', and 'shame' are things that only exist in the human mind.

True, but I meant to say something along the lines of 'the world is useless/pointless without humans'. You know, something along those lines that does make logical sense.

[Sage]

True, but I meant to say something along the lines of 'the world is useless/pointless without humans'. You know, something along those lines that does make logical sense.

Fair enough, though I won't defend that point considering that wasn't something I said.

[Dorsum Oppel]

Bio.

Quite honestly, for humans to survive and live comfortably, we have to make some environmentally thoughtful decisions about the way that we live. Because once we fuck ourselves over by dwindling away all of our resources and destroying the natural ecologies that can benefit us in thousands of ways, dystopia will not be a distant reality. I don't think that people realize biocentricism has more in mind for the human race than anthropocentricism does.