The Reality about drugs

[guitarro]

Drugs are substances that induce a FAKE feeling. When you feel something fake, it not only gives your brain a bad perception on what is good and what is bad, it also off sets everything. When you get a good feeling for free, your "work and rewards scale" gets fucked up. Everybody has their tolerance for how much they can work for whatever the reward. Some people wont work long hours for just 5 grand a year, it just isn't a big enough of a reward for your tolerance. When using drugs, you distort this whole system. Basically, your brain thinks that all you need is 20 dollars for your drug, and you feel like you earned something that is nowhere near how much you worked. You also develop this thing I call, the love for your knew job. For instance, heroin attics usually not only love heroin, but equally love needles. Since all you did was get some money and bought a drug, your brain starts to like the process of even getting to the drug. Notice if you have a drug of choice, you may not just like the drugs effects, but you might enjoy the process of getting to that feeling. For instance, pot smokers might really have a love for rolling blunts. Drugs are drugs, by the way, sure some are stronger than others in some ways, but they all do the same thing. When you feel good, or happy, or when you take a drug, your brain releases a chemical called dopamine. When you get too much dopamine too often, you upset that "work and rewards" scale i was talking about. Your brain, to use the dopamine, has dopamine receptors. When you over supply your brain with dopamine, you get more receptors. When you over "pay" yourself with dopamine, you pretty much spoil your brain like a kid. Your dopamine receptors tell your brain that they aren't being satisfied. then your brain pretty much tries to figure out how it got dopamine in the first place, naturally your brain tries to figure out problems, thats what it does. So naturally, you feel the need for more, hence addiction. Now some drugs release more dopamine then others, which pretty much means some drugs are more addicting then other drugs. This is the scientific definition of addiction. I am 16, and just got out of rehab, and a majority of my family have had addictions to drugs. 2 close uncles of mine just passed away due to drugs. My cousin just went to rehab for pot. thats right, pot is addicting too. So please, don't think I'm arrogant. The reason I wrote this is I think if i had this understanding sooner I would have saved myself of a lot of trouble. Drugs have only led me to lies, being lied to, and fake friends who are just their for drugs. Honestly, when people say drugs are bad, it is true some people don't know what they are talking about, and some are conformists, but it IS the truth. The only benefit you get from drugs are FAKE. By the way alcohol is included. Don't let this tricky confusing stuff ruin your life, because it will eventually. I'm not saying don't do drugs, you could, it's your right of having a free mind. But if you can be open minded, try to take what I'm saying into consideration, and you WILL save yourself a lot of trouble.

[Bobby]

Hmmm good thinking..

[Fiending_the_freedom]

i didnt relize people went to rehab for pot :S

[guitarro]

Believe it or not, there were more people at the place for alcohol and pot there than harder drugs. Another food for thought is that AA (alcoholics anonymous) has a higher population than CA (cocaine anonymous) and NA (narcotics anonymous) combined. I also forgot to mention that addiction is medically considered a disease.

[serial-thrilla]

i didnt relize people went to rehab for pot :S well lots of people smoke weed everyday. i think that if you cant take a break from weed for a couple of weeks then your addicted.

[Φρανκομβριτ]

Sometimes people need that fake feeling. It's not a good thing, but it does help sometimes, even though you end up feeling shittier when you come down. I thin its ok to enjoy yourself once in a while, just be safe, be smart.

[guitarro]

There is never a reason to need that fake feeling. That feeling distorts you from reality, and actually makes the situation worse. The only time i can ever think of someone thinking they'd need that fake feeling is maybe if they are under stress or looking for and occasional good time. If those are your reasons, you are actually making it harder for yourself. Your gonna want to cope with anxiety by using drugs more each time you use. And if your looking for that occasional good time, well, if your definition of a good time is drugs, each time you use you are multiplying ur chance of becoming addicted. And you dont even have to be addicted so to speak to risk yourself. every time you cop you risk getting in trouble and that is yet another factor, and every time you use, you risk not only your physical health, but ur mental health significantly. In my opinion it's not worth it.

[serial-thrilla]

well maybe for you, you were in rehab so you clearly were unable to control yourself.

[guitarro]

I'm not saying once you use u get addicted. I'm saying every time you use, you not only jeopardize your chance of getting addicted; you also risk getting in trouble, your physical health, and your mental health. Why burden yourself of these things is what I am saying.

[Skhorpion]

I'm not saying once you use u get addicted. I'm saying every time you use, you not only jeopardize your chance of getting addicted; you also risk getting in trouble, your physical health, and your mental health. Why burden yourself of these things is what I am saying.

Ive done a couple of drugs that people say have high risk for addiction, yet i can stop whenever I want. How am I jeopardizing anything?

[ThePhantom]

If you can stop whenever you want have you?

Yeah um drugs are bad mkay

[Fiending_the_freedom]

i've done a lot of veyyy addictive drugs, and yes i have stopped when i wanted to.

[guitarro]

Only time can tell on the addiction part of it, the funny thing about addiction, it happens when you least suspect it. In rehab, the program director was giving us a lecture, and he asked all the heroin attics "who, at one point, was just using alcohol or pot and could stop at any time", and all but one of them raised their hands. Just because you can stop now, doesn't mean you'll be able to later. The addiction part wasn't the only point I was making either, every time you use, especially the highly addictive drugs, you really mess up your physical health. For instance, your first use of cocaine rips a lot of tissue in your heart which multiplies your chance of heart disease by four. Putting poison in your body can't lead to much good trust me.

[guitarro]

"At the AA meeting that you went to and sat there comparing with the speakers stories that you have never been in jail, ran someone over while drunk and driving, never lost a job (or whatever you may have heard that you haven't done). You had better seriously consider putting a big fat YET after all of the things you haven't done YET. The speakers that you heard at AA at some time in their drinking history hadn't done those things YET neither! If you continue going down the path that you apparently set for yourself you can be absolutely sure that some if not all plus a lot more of those things that you claim to have never done will be part of your story."-A doctor who specializes in alcoholism emphasizes to a patient how there are a lot of "yets" in addiction.

[Skhorpion]

The reality about drugs is that drugs alter your reality depending on which kind you take. DXM, for example, has made me realized that i like this girl and i will ask her out soon.

Im trippin balls on DXM so if this doesn't make sense then please delete.

[Cap'nCrunch]

I think the reason more people check into rehab for alcohol and cannabis is because people abuse more "soft drugs" like alcohol, and less abuse cocaine and heroin. Also, heroin and cocaine are sooooo good; why would you want to stop? You'll will push everybody away and ignore all help to stay with your cocaine/meth/heroin.

I agree that cocaine can do a good lot of physical damage to you, but in the long run. I've done cocaine and quit. There's nothing wrong with my heart, nothing impaired about my nose. I'm in fine physical condition. I wish you'd stop saying to trust you when you're consistently stating facts I just can't agree with.

And there definitely are reasons to need the high. It's true that drug abuse during a time of stress usually doesn't help and does indeed increase your chance of becoming dependent.

[guitarro]

like i said, time can only tell. you may have stopped at the moment, but u never know for sure if you'll start up again. I used to be a dealer and never got caught, so does that make it ok to deal drugs? I have killed someone before and got away with it, so is it ok that i kill in moderation and not get caught? if your lucky, and you do drugs in moderation and not to the point were you are out of control, you are still risking a whole lot. thats great that you were able to quit coke. but how do u know there isnt anything wrong with your heart? I just got out of rehab, and they teach you things. one thing i learned is the first time u use cocaine you pump you heart to a speed which it naturally should not be at, ripping your cardiovascular walls, and making it 4 times less efficiant for the rest of your life. this is a fact.

[serial-thrilla]

youve killed someone before? thats pretty fucked buddy.

[guitarro]

http://virtualteen.org/forums/showthread.php?t=9909

[Cap'nCrunch]

I don't believe a damn thing you say.

[Skhorpion]

I don't believe a damn thing you say.

I dont either.

I think he took a little too much GHB.

[guitarro]

why the fuck would i lie first of all? but if thats your opinion so be it. and rent, go fuck yourself, vent your immature aggression elsewhere you irrogant shit. if you guys have a problem with me trying to help people out that are risking their selves, you can keep your opinions to yourself because it doesn't change the facts that are in fact true. wait until you get older and learn a bit more, and you'll find what I'm saying is in fact true. I can infer you guys are young and inexperienced and naturally your going to oppose the reality of drugs, and your gonna be pretty bias. i mean, im trying to help people out here with the information that i learned over time and believe me i experienced it all. take the information i wrote and either take it or leave it. if you dont believe me, wait til this shit kicks you in the ass and then maybe you'll have a valid perception on this sort of thing. people come to this forum for help, and i wouldnt tell a lie for i just wouldnt feel right leading people who need help in the wrong direction, i happen to be a pretty empathetic guy.

[Cap'nCrunch]

You're 16 and you think you're helping people with your ridiculously misinformed drug views? I've been doing drugs for a while and I can honestly give information on each drug I've abused. Some of them I regret taking and some I think are wonderful.

I don't have a problem with your mission from God to save people from the torment of drugs, but I do have a problem when you over-zealously present this bullshit info.

You're not helping people when you ignore everyone telling you you're wrong.

[guitarro]

if you think im wrong , thats fine, im just trying to help people out with the information i do know is true. just because you have used many drugs and know about them doesn't make you hot shit. if you want to deny the scientific facts thats fine, the fact of the matter is that my opinions seem bias, well obviously because they are anti-drug. there are two arguments that have been going on and it's either that drugs are bad or, if with caution drug use is ok. im just informing people what i have learned about the results of recreational use, and not just me, 100s of others i know, and thousands of stories i have heard at NA meetings, 56 group sessions, and 2 of my friends who got shot and maybe only smoked bud 3 times. attending rehab gave me a grim look at what drugs can lead to. im not on a mission from god, im trying to help people out, ive seen way too much suffering from this shit. if you have a problem with that go fuck yourself. for anyone that thinks anything im saying is bullshit, bring it, ill pull up 2-3 links to .gov sites that cant be bias at all, or they would be illegal. this is a self help forum, and when you encourage drug use you put the thought of drug use being ok to some people who really are having trouble and coming here for help.

[Cap'nCrunch]

You know what? It does make me hot shit. It makes me hot shit when I come to a drug abuse forum, and I can talk from experience about DRUG ABUSE! And we're all biased here; I'm biased towards drug abuse, you're not. However, I'm not telling people do drugs and I'm using evidence to support my arguments.

And I do have a problem with that. Go fuck myself? I think you're at the wrong forum, buddy

[Break the Cage]

I dont either.

I think he took a little too much GHB.
haha word to that.

why the fuck would i lie first of all? but if thats your opinion so be it. and rent, go fuck yourself, vent your immature aggression elsewhere you irrogant shit. if you guys have a problem with me trying to help people out that are risking their selves, you can keep your opinions to yourself because it doesn't change the facts that are in fact true. wait until you get older and learn a bit more, and you'll find what I'm saying is in fact true. I can infer you guys are young and inexperienced and naturally your going to oppose the reality of drugs, and your gonna be pretty bias. i mean, im trying to help people out here with the information that i learned over time and believe me i experienced it all. take the information i wrote and either take it or leave it. if you dont believe me, wait til this shit kicks you in the ass and then maybe you'll have a valid perception on this sort of thing. people come to this forum for help, and i wouldnt tell a lie for i just wouldnt feel right leading people who need help in the wrong direction, i happen to be a pretty empathetic guy.
You tell rent2pwn to vent his aggression elsewhere.. what are you doing right there? Hypocrite. You may think your right, but anyone with a knowledge of drugs on this site knows you are wrong. Inexperienced, excuse me? Most of the people arguing against you are regular drug users or used to be at least.
We know what we are talking about,

if you think im wrong , thats fine, im just trying to help people out with the information i do know is true. just because you have used many drugs and know about them doesn't make you hot shit. if you want to deny the scientific facts thats fine, the fact of the matter is that my opinions seem bias, well obviously because they are anti-drug. there are two arguments that have been going on and it's either that drugs are bad or, if with caution drug use is ok. im just informing people what i have learned about the results of recreational use, and not just me, 100s of others i know, and thousands of stories i have heard at NA meetings, 56 group sessions, and 2 of my friends who got shot and maybe only smoked bud 3 times. attending rehab gave me a grim look at what drugs can lead to. im not on a mission from god, im trying to help people out, ive seen way too much suffering from this shit. if you have a problem with that go fuck yourself. for anyone that thinks anything im saying is bullshit, bring it, ill pull up 2-3 links to .gov sites that cant be bias at all, or they would be illegal. this is a self help forum, and when you encourage drug use you put the thought of drug use being ok to some people who really are having trouble and coming here for help.
We are not denying facts, we are telling you your info is bull cos it is, your favourite site erowid will tell you the facts on drugs. Your friends got shot from smoking bud three times? hahahaha your stories get stupider and stupider every post. Off you go again with your .gov sites, you are so naive, .gov sites are some of the most bias sites on the web, why would it matter if they were illegal, its the fucking governments website!! Oh yeah the government is gonna force the government to change it..

You know what? It does make me hot shit. It makes me hot shit when I come to a drug abuse forum, and I can talk from experience about DRUG ABUSE! And we're all biased here; I'm biased towards drug abuse, you're not. However, I'm not telling people do drugs and I'm using evidence to support my arguments.

And I do have a problem with that. Go fuck myself? I think you're at the wrong forum, buddy
The correct term here is: Owned.

You know you sound awfully like a government mole. Really wouldn't surprise me if.

Oh and your a Dream Theatre fan, says it all really...

[Bobby]

PEOPLE!!! Calm down. This is being locked. Don't complain in a new thread if you have a problem. PM me with the thread title as the subject.