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Sordid Saint
February 9th, 2011, 09:56 PM
So today, I just wanted to get stupid high. For no reason, I just felt that it's been too long since I've done it lol. I was walking around with one of my friends after school, trying to find one of my friends that lets us smoke in the house, but we soon found out that he wasn't around and couldn't hang out. This other kid called us and told us to go to his house. I walked there from across town (lol) and when we got to his house he came out with a blunt already lit :P. (I know this looks like it's going nowhere, but I actually have a question.) So we went behind his house for a little bit and smoked the blunt for a little bit. Then we went into his shed where he had two bongs and other stuff.

We hit the bong a couple times and I coughed wiiiickked bad. I asked him why it was so rough and he told me it was kief. He showed me his grinder and told me to open up the kief holder on the bottom. I opened it and holy crap... there was about 3 grams of kief in it. I had thought that we were only going to smoke regular weed, but he told me that we were smoking a blunt with 1g hash, 1g kief, and 1g weed. That didn't really scare me like it should have, but I haven't really dealt with kief and hash THAT much, so it didn't really bother me at the time. The blunt kept getting clogged because of all the hash in it. We got that down to a little tiny piece of blunt and then he pulled out his bong. This is where I think everything went bad lol.

He packed ANOTHER bowl full of kief and again I didn't think much of it because I didn't know how hard it would hit me in a few minutes. We hit that about once each and then he put some herbal incense on top. He told me that it was really good and fun, and it was called [email protected] Joy. I hit that thinking nothing of it once again because I've never used it before. A few minutes later I was super stoney baloney. I literally was the highest I've ever been I think. But it all went bad. Out of nowhere paranoia started to set in for pretty much no reason at all. I stood up and it all REALLY hit me.

It was way too much.

When I walked my legs were shaking, and I felt really weak and wanted to sit down. We made the maybe 16 foot walk from his shed to behind his house where there was pavement and the paranoia got even worse I asked him about it and he said it's probably just the [email protected] Joy that he had that's doing it. He told me to have a cigarette to help calm me down and mellow the high, and it sounded like a good idea, so I did. It didn't really help at all lol. Me and my friend left the other kids house and he was telling me how it's too much. We called someone that we knew to hang out, and they said they were downtown and that we should go. We started walking "downtown", but we went the wrong way. After 10 minutes (what seemed like an hour) went by, wee noticed and turned around. We passed a cop on the way that was parked randomly in the middle of a quiet street, and we got really scared because of how noticeable we were. I watched him in the car the whole time and he didn't even look up at us so I was relieved.

We got onto main street and started to walk on the sidewalk, but a little further up we could see that it wasn'tt plowed or shoveled at all, so we had to walk on the street -_-. We did that and after a few minutes, an SUV went literally a half a foot away from me when it went by. We decided we should just walk on the 3-4 foot snow and hope that we could walk on it since it's frozen and we wouldn't fall through. We fell through lol. We saw that the other side of the street looked better and that we should cross to over there. We did and it was a lot better over there and I could walk pretty well by that point. Now it's 30 minutes after we left the kid's house and we were starting to feel a tiny bit better, but very very very unnoticeable. By the time we actually got downtown I was feeling a little more better but again not by a lot. We reached McDonalds where our friend was but we saw him crossing the street with a few other of our friends. We walked up to them and they asked what was wrong with my friend that was with me, I told them everything we smoked and they were shocked and told me that they just smoked too but not as much as us.

We went to one of their houses, and my friend that was with me before started passing out on the chair and looked really bad. He stood up and went into the bathroom to throw up and several minutes later he came back and sat back down in the chair to pass out again. My other friends were scared for him but I was still too high to realize how bad he looked. We decided that he should go home to sleep and after several minutes of trying to talk him into it he went. It's now many hours later (at least 6 hours) and I can still feel those after effects of being high. I was paranoid through almost the whole time too.

But I do want to know, has anyone else used the [email protected] Joy before, and if so, was it good or bad because I've read a couple reviews about it and most of them are really bad. Also, do you think that the Mary Joy was the reason for today being a bad experience, or did I just simply take too much?



EDIT: Wanted to say how I felt more in detail. I started to feel like I was going to die. I kept trying to tell myself that I was just bugging and that I'll be ok, but the feelings were way too real. I felt pains in my chest, my throat felt like it was swelling up and I couldn't breathe, and it just felt like a nightmare that there's no way to end and that I'm stuck in it forever. The best way to describe it is that it felt like I was in between life and death, just standing on the border of life and death and that I started to tilt towards the death side. Also, sounds started going off in my head that weren't there, like music, people yelling, and cars honking. It was just a really bad feeling overall.

Rutherford The Brave
February 9th, 2011, 10:06 PM
I just want to tell you something and the reason why its so bad. There is a significant difference and I really really mean this. Between smoking straight keif and hash. That one difference is the keif, exits the bowl along with the smoke. So your inhaling those particles and the bongs cant filter out the bad stuff. So you get sick, where as with hash, it burns slowly and its pressed together and it can do that. You need to be careful, and bit of keif in a blunt of joint wont do took much, but if your getting a large amount of dust from it in your system, you will feel this way. I've never gotten sick from smoking, never and Its prevalent in our area. It might have just been midds, because midds makes people sick.

Sordid Saint
February 9th, 2011, 10:40 PM
That one difference is the keif, exits the bowl along with the smoke. So your inhaling those particles and the bongs cant filter out the bad stuff.

So the kief doesn't even stay in the water after it's sucked into the bong? I can see what you're saying if I was using a regular bowl without water but I think that after it gets into the water it won't be light enough anymore to get out of the water. I could be completely wrong though.

Rutherford The Brave
February 9th, 2011, 10:43 PM
Well think about it, it creates gas bubbles when you take hits, so it comes up with the bubbles. Plus keif often has stems in it, because usually you just throw the bud in the grinder, and grind it up.

Sordid Saint
February 9th, 2011, 10:56 PM
Ah, I see what you're saying now, but I didn't really get sick, I just FELT as if my body was dead and my soul was still alive. Very hard to explain. I really think it was the Mary Joy though, as I've looked up a couple of stories about people on it and it seems about the same. All you can really do is sit there, and it feels like your soul is just alone in your room with all of your thoughts in your head, and every once in a while you remember that you're in a body and become aware of what's going on. I might even classify it as a trip.

Rutherford The Brave
February 9th, 2011, 11:01 PM
Remember dude, it isnt exactly like tripping but it is a halucinagin. Ive actually had the chance of smoking some along the lines of that but it didnt have that same effect of me. I mean yeah I was gone, but I wasn't having like an out of body expierence.

Sordid Saint
February 9th, 2011, 11:18 PM
Yeah I think we took too much, I'm hearing now that you're only supposed to take 2-3 hits of incense and we took 5-6 each. Not a good idea.

I also agree about not having an out of body experience, my experience with it is that you zone out to the point that your eyes are as useful as not even being there, but somehow still my body was still conscious enough to walk and know where I'm going. It was very strange and trippy.

CaptainObvious
February 9th, 2011, 11:23 PM
I just want to tell you something and the reason why its so bad. There is a significant difference and I really really mean this. Between smoking straight keif and hash. That one difference is the keif, exits the bowl along with the smoke. So your inhaling those particles and the bongs cant filter out the bad stuff. So you get sick, where as with hash, it burns slowly and its pressed together and it can do that. You need to be careful, and bit of keif in a blunt of joint wont do took much, but if your getting a large amount of dust from it in your system, you will feel this way. I've never gotten sick from smoking, never and Its prevalent in our area. It might have just been midds, because midds makes people sick.

Well think about it, it creates gas bubbles when you take hits, so it comes up with the bubbles. Plus keif often has stems in it, because usually you just throw the bud in the grinder, and grind it up.

lolwut? That all makes absolutely no sense and is untrue. Hash is simply heat-pressed kief; there is no chemical difference between the substances. The story described here is just a result of being way too high - which is perfectly reasonable since kief is a much more highly concentrated form of THC - and not particularly the delivery method.

(Bongs really don't filter much of anything anyways, for the record.)

Sordid Saint
February 10th, 2011, 12:25 AM
lolwut? That all makes absolutely no sense and is untrue. Hash is simply heat-pressed kief; there is no chemical difference between the substances. The story described here is just a result of being way too high - which is perfectly reasonable since kief is a much more highly concentrated form of THC - and not particularly the delivery method.

(Bongs really don't filter much of anything anyways, for the record.)

Yeah I agree with being way to high lol, and part of it was probably because I wasn't expecting or prepared for what I was in for, but I still definitely think that the Mary Joy had a big role in it.

staying_alive
February 12th, 2011, 12:18 AM
So today, I just wanted to get stupid high.

I love days like this. My first week of summer was like that - every day, bake with some friends at someone's house whose parents were gone all day. What a great way to end the school year. It was good shit too. Also, I want to congratulate you on having the longest and most complete stoner story I've read. I normally don't remember many details at all.

I've never experienced "[email protected] Joy," at least not by that name. I have supposedly done the "weed laced with coke" deal (according to some friends), but I don't really believe it was. My friend thinks it was coke cause he tripped HARD on it (I had to drive his car for him), and the supplier confirmed it - but I don't trust him anyway. Good times nonetheless.

We hit the bong a couple times and I coughed wiiiickked bad.

I hate it when that happens. A friend and I were smoking one time and he started coughing so bad that he thought he needed to go to the ER. I told him to shut up and enjoy the trip, and "somehow" he magically stopped coughing. I always find that swallowing when I feel a cough coming on solves the problem.

It was way too much.

Ohhhhhh boy. Been there, done that. One time I smoked and tried to go to sleep, and all I could feel was my heartbeat. It was shaking my entire body as I lay in bed in fear of a heart attack. In hindsight it seems that I was having an anxiety attack while high - now THAT's true terror.

After 10 minutes (what seemed like an hour) went by, wee noticed and turned around. We passed a cop on the way that was parked randomly in the middle of a quiet street, and we got really scared because of how noticeable we were. I watched him in the car the whole time and he didn't even look up at us so I was relieved.

I was at my house with a friend one time after smoking, and we decided to walk to someone else's house about 6 miles away. BAD DECISION. It was the middle of summer, the sun was high in the sky, and I felt like I was in a desert. I swear an entire year passed on that walk.

Every time I see a cop while I'm high I just get paranoid. It's not like they can really prove anything unless you're really obviously high, but still it always freaks the shit out of me.

We did that and after a few minutes, an SUV went literally a half a foot away from me when it went by.

LOL @ stoney baloney's measurement ability. The side mirror would've knocked you over if it got that close.


Sorry for basically just inserting my random comments all over your post :D I guess I can relate to a lot of your story. These kinds of drug experiences that teach you about your own limits are the best ones.