Does anyone else feel this way..?

[heykay]

Hi, well, I was just thinking about how I strongly dislike american music these days. With all the dubbed over, fake, screechy voices with artists like Ke$ha, lady gaga and such, it just doesn't seem like real music anymore. And then, a lot of the songs are just filled with sexual references and they just don't have to seem meaning anymore. I always thought music was meant to express feelings, but it seems that these artists will sing things that most likely mean nothing.. I can't stand listening to the radio anymore because of all this "trashy" music.. Am I just odd?

[Amnesiac]

It's true that most mainstream American music these days is absolute and utter shit. It's not just the pop artists you mentioned that are terrible though— other genres like screamo are also ridiculously bad. Every generation has its bad music, however, this generation is attracted to it unlike any past.

There's good music being made out there today. It's just not chart-topping popular.

[heykay]

I can't find any of the good music then /:

[music is my soul]

i know wat u guys are talking about and i think the shit beingput on the big radio stations is not real music but if you guys listen to some country music that is real music. the new ones are getting a little wack but thats only a couple. theres a new one by one of the guys from brooks and dunn and its really good. goerge strait is an awesome country artist. not mny of his songs are played on the radio anymore. any way check out a country station some time and i think theyll have wat ur looking for

pm me sometime and i`ll give the names of some really good songs.

[Skeptical Bear]

I know what you mean. I personally think that the majority of good music is never mainstream, that's why it's harder to find good music these days.

[music is my soul]

theres a guy in nashville who does good everyday music. his name is martin mcdaneil if you want to look up some of his music

[The Madness.]

Not all 'American' music is that way. You just have to search and listen. Anyways, it's not just American music that's like that though.

[Rutherford The Brave]

I can't find any of the good music then /:

Listen to Phish.

[Aves]

Pink Floyd, Porcupine Tree, Grateful Dead, Nine Inch Nails. There's 4 good bands I recommend.

[Kahn]

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[Rutherford The Brave]

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[Kahn]

Adam, you were reading my mind.

Well, I could've posted more Olafur Arnalds, but I decided against it. Then I thought of Pink Floyd, but Connor covered that one. Then I looked at my shirt, and I was like "fuck yes" and put up some Grateful Dead and Phish.

[music is my soul]

creeds another good band.

[Rutherford The Brave]

creeds another good band.

Ew...

[music is my soul]

really? you dont lik them?

[Rutherford The Brave]

really? you dont lik them?

Yeah, I listen to good music, Creed had a good song. When I say good, that isn't worth all that much.

[music is my soul]

which one of their songs do you lik?

[Rutherford The Brave]

which one of their songs do you lik?

None of them lol.

[Amnesiac]

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[Sugaree]

I can't find any of the good music then /:

Because you aren't looking hard enough. Join last.fm and, based on your library, will recommend artists to you. I've found a lot of good underground music, you can too.

Not all 'American' music is that way. You just have to search and listen. Anyways, it's not just American music that's like that though.

This. Though American music is at the forefront, it's not just us making the bad music.

Pink Floyd, Porcupine Tree, Grateful Dead, Nine Inch Nails. There's 4 good bands I recommend.

Though not a fan of the Grateful Dead (as it seems to be an acquired taste, not particularly into jam bands), I'd recommend them also if you're looking for experimental music.

[BOBBY HILL]

well this thread is a piece of shit

[Peace God]

well this thread is a piece of shit
Not really...lol, I don't get you dude.

[Dunce]

Not all American artists are like this. I don't like Ke$ha or Justin Biber or any of that but some of my favourite bands are American. And it's not just American pop stars that are as you described, there are some pretty shitty British and irish ones too.

[deadpie]

well this thread is a piece of shit

Once any thread says Creed is a good band, than I think that means the thread has turned to shit, so yes, I agree. Well, that's implying the thread wasn't already bad from the start.

[Peace God]

well this thread is a piece of shit

Well, that's implying the thread wasn't already bad from the start.

Yes, god forbid people have a discussion on music in the music thread.

[Sugaree]

Yes, god forbid people have a discussion on music in the music thread.

A-fucking-men. What's with all the music elitism all of a sudden?

[heykay]

Thanks everyone. I'll try searching a little harder.

[deadpie]

A-fucking-men. What's with all the music elitism all of a sudden?

You fuckin' joking? You don't have to be a music genius to know that Creed is fucking garbage.

[Peace God]

You fuckin' joking? You don't have to be a music genius to know that Creed is fucking garbage.
You wanna know something funny?
I used to listen to Creed. :P

But I my defense... that was like 10 years ago.

[Sugaree]

You fuckin' joking? You don't have to be a music genius to know that Creed is fucking garbage.

No, I'm not. I don't listen to Creed, but why the fuck do nothing but bitch about it?

[deadpie]

No, I'm not. I don't listen to Creed, but why the fuck do nothing but bitch about it?

Why not bitch about it? I mean, there's no other discussion in the music board here to discuss, other than bashing shitty shit. So deal with it or have people make threads that don't revolve around shitty shit.

[AgusCO]

No, I'm not. I don't listen to Creed, but why the fuck do nothing but bitch about it?

Cause no one is gonna pull a Mark Chapman on [member of Creed]

Why not bitch about it? I mean, there's no other discussion in the music board here to discuss, other than bashing shitty shit. So deal with it or have people make threads that don't revolve around shitty shit.

I disagree. People should let each other's musical tastes be. I mean, you have every right to dislike it and criticize it but I'm not particularly fond of music bashing.

[music is my soul]

i agree with agusco we all lik different kinds of music and you guys dont have to start bitching over it.

[Sebastian Michaelis]

Hi, well, I was just thinking about how I strongly dislike american music these days. With all the dubbed over, fake, screechy voices with artists like Ke$ha, lady gaga and such, it just doesn't seem like real music anymore. And then, a lot of the songs are just filled with sexual references and they just don't have to seem meaning anymore. I always thought music was meant to express feelings, but it seems that these artists will sing things that most likely mean nothing.. I can't stand listening to the radio anymore because of all this "trashy" music.. Am I just odd?

NO you are not odd I feel EXACTLY the same way. If you want good music listen to Trans-Siberian Orchestra. THE BEST EVAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!:D:D:D:cool::D:yeah::P

[Severus Snape]

Agreed with OP. Just that rap and pop have generally always been quite shit, though this isnt a recent development lol

[Amnesiac]

Agreed with OP. Just that rap and pop have generally always been quite shit, though this isnt a recent development lol

Well, no, the hip-hop/rap genre has historically been good. However, mainstream rap is terrible. I can't emphasize how bad it is. It'd rather rub my penis against industrial-quality sandpaper than listen to a Soulja Boy album.

[Sugaree]

Well, no, the hip-hop/rap genre has historically been good. However, mainstream rap is terrible. I can't emphasize how bad it is. It'd rather rub my penis against industrial-quality sandpaper than listen to a Soulja Boy album.

You do realize that the rap of the 90s was also mainstream and people said the same thing, right? The only reason people find it 'better' is because it had a lot of memorable names. In these days, who's going to remember Kanye West 10 or 15 years from now when 2Pac and Biggie have been remembered for ~20 years? However, since rap still has the negative view from mainstream critics, people ignore the underground scene where the lyrics are more philosophical and thought provoking than 'get money, fuck bitches, smoke trees' that the mainstream relies on.

[Amnesiac]

You do realize that the rap of the 90s was also mainstream and people said the same thing, right? The only reason people find it 'better' is because it had a lot of memorable names. In these days, who's going to remember Kanye West 10 or 15 years from now when 2Pac and Biggie have been remembered for ~20 years? However, since rap still has the negative view from mainstream critics, people ignore the underground scene where the lyrics are more philosophical and thought provoking than 'get money, fuck bitches, smoke trees' that the mainstream relies on.

I never really mentioned 90s rap. Rap, overall, is full of good music. It's just the minority mainstream artists who ruin it for everyone else.

As for 90s rap "being better," I don't think it's because of name recognition. However, I don't know that much about rap anyway, so I don't really think I'm qualified to comment on why people like it. I mean, hell, I don't know what was considered "mainstream rap" in the 90s anyway.

[John Marston]

Not all 'American' music is that way. You just have to search and listen. Anyways, it's not just American music that's like that though.

Yeah, agreed.

Maybe you just need some old stuff to listen to. What kind of music are you into? Marilyn Manson? I've got a good song of his: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CyKGrIoS_uY

[Syvelocin]

Not all American artists are like this. I don't like Ke$ha or Justin Biber or any of that but some of my favourite bands are American. And it's not just American pop stars that are as you described, there are some pretty shitty British and irish ones too.

Justin Bieber belongs to Canada :P

And Ke$ha... damn, I think she just partied and slept with the right person to get a record deal.

But yeah, trust me, Europe's got their fair share of shit music as well. Honestly though, nothing matches American mainstream. :/

I like a fair number of American artists. I don't know what your musical niche is so I won't dare say anything, but if you'd like to elaborate on what you're into I could definitely help out.

[Severus Snape]

Well, no, the hip-hop/rap genre has historically been good. However, mainstream rap is terrible. I can't emphasize how bad it is. It'd rather rub my penis against industrial-quality sandpaper than listen to a Soulja Boy album.

Rap is just strangely spoken, obscene poetry with computers trying to help imo.

[deadpie]

Rap is just strangely spoken, obscene poetry with computers trying to help imo.

Jazz-Hop (Rap with jazz) goes against mostly everything you just said -

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Who cares if music is made from computers? That's like you bashing mostly every electronic artist and avant garde classical artist that helped create electronic music.

Rap can be spoken in many different ways too.

Also, there's such thing as instrumental hip hop too. Bet you didn't know that, did you?

[Severus Snape]

I like technically difficult, beautiful, melodic, or otherwise music that requires a decent amount of talent to make and perform. Nothing you posted comes even close to this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OspGO0YVeRI) for example. I hate most ska music, for example, but I recognize that at least it takes some skill. Rap takes little if any from what I can tell. Maybe some rap requires a little more skill than others, but that's not saying much.

[deadpie]

I like technically difficult, beautiful, melodic, or otherwise music that requires a decent amount of talent to make and perform. Nothing you posted comes even close to this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OspGO0YVeRI) for example. I hate most ska music, for example, but I recognize that at least it takes some skill. Rap takes little if any from what I can tell.

You best be trolling me if you're going to back your statement up with that fucking garbage of a band.

Seriously, I thought I was a music asshole, but you saying "Oh I only listen to music that's complex and difficult and rap isn't any of that" is just the biggest 'elitest' statement I've ever fucking heard.

You'd be someone who'd listen to classical music and call it complex but listen to Merzbow and call it ear hurting boring shit. That's my guess.

Sense when does all music HAVE to be complex and detailed? Why can't something just be to the point with what it's trying to represent? You're so elitest that I look like a member of Nickelback right now.

Rap does take talent. Look at Eyedea who writes some of the most philosophical lyrics out there and he's rapping it faster then a blonde whore can talk about getting dick. That guy is an example of talent.

Not everything has to be complex. Sure, I don't want all music to sound like alternative garbage, but all because something isn't layered doesn't mean it's just not good.

Did you seriously post that? I'm still in shock.

[Severus Snape]

I looked up eyedea. Your idea of "philosophical" is interesting and my opinion doesn't change. In any case I don't like rap and I think it is shite, you're not going to change my opinion. Also since when did the ability to speak quickly count as musical talent? You're confusing he respect issue with the liking issue. I don't like rap and I don't respect it. I don't like Ska, but I respect it. Rap is music like a #3 from McDonalds at one point came from the same cow that produces a quality steak.

And BTBAM is one of the most accomplished post-hardcore bands around. If you don't like their music, fine, but you can't deny that they're talented. And if you were blown away by Eyedea's lyrics you should look up BTBAM's.

[The Joker]

You do realize that the rap of the 90s was also mainstream and people said the same thing, right? The only reason people find it 'better' is because it had a lot of memorable names. In these days, who's going to remember Kanye West 10 or 15 years from now when 2Pac and Biggie have been remembered for ~20 years? However, since rap still has the negative view from mainstream critics, people ignore the underground scene where the lyrics are more philosophical and thought provoking than 'get money, fuck bitches, smoke trees' that the mainstream relies on.

Oh, so Soulja Boy isn't a flashy/memorable name? Sorry, that's a bad argument. The name does not need to be memorable for the artist to be popular.

[deadpie]

I looked up eyedea. Your idea of "philosophical" is interesting and my opinion doesn't change. In any case I don't like rap and I think it is shite, you're not going to change my opinion. Also since when did the ability to speak quickly count as musical talent? You're confusing he respect issue with the liking issue. I don't like rap and I don't respect it. I don't like Ska, but I respect it. Rap is music like a #3 from McDonalds at one point came from the same cow that produces a quality steak.

And BTBAM is one of the most accomplished post-hardcore bands around. If you don't like their music, fine, but you can't deny that they're talented. And if you were blown away by Eyedea's lyrics you should look up BTBAM's.

I'm guessing Eyedea is too difficult for you sense he 'talks' instead of 'sings'. Maybe you're missing the concept of the music.

You also left out about 2/3 of my argument. I hope you know what that means.

>Post-Hardcore
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Pick one.
Buddy, I'd chose Eyedea over that group any day.

And all because someone is accomplished in music business doesn't mean they're good. Fucking Creed is huge in music, doesn't mean they're good, does it?

[Severus Snape]

I'm guessing Eyedea is too difficult for you sense he 'talks' instead of 'sings'. Maybe you're missing the concept of the music.

Or maybe I just don't have your exact opinion on music.

Buddy, I'd chose Eyedea over that group any day.
Good for you. I don't care if you like BTBAM or not, but they have infinite more talent than Eyedea.

And all because someone is accomplished in music business doesn't mean they're good. Fucking Creed is huge in music, doesn't mean they're good, does it?

Didn't say that.

Watch all of this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2-4ghKA0HTk) and tell me they aren't talented. You can't. Even of you hate their music. This song comes from the Colors album, 70+ minutes of continuous music.

and because you probably can't understand them:

The headless lover of three...
An unspeakable affair...
The lady on the hill
Creates a glorious
Departure from her everyday life.
Her everyday life.
Constant swelling of the ankles...

A pleasant cry for help...
A pleasant cry for help...
A pleasant cry for help...

A grieving widow mothered this headless wonder.
A perfect crime, that soon lived on.
A different life it had to develop...
Gripped by every limb it could hold,
The lifeless ideas it grew onto its own.
A much needed surrender.
Trees soon started to grow
from what seemed a lifeless neck...

From a monster to a beauty in quick months...
Its life seemed to be on its way to a rare freedom.
It decided it should take advantage
Advantage of this idea.
Idea.
A mixture of plantings soon took course in its body...
A spectacle non-the-less,
Walking proud through life letting its branches guide the way.
A path which seemed to be covered in sunshine...
It must be human, for its qualities seem
To outdo even the grandest occupant of the town...

This started to catch the
Attention of the un-branched...It had never experienced an affection of this kind...A wonderful and frightening new obstacle in its life.This started to catch the Attention of the un-branched...It had never experienced an affection of this kind.A wonderful and frightening new obstacle in its life.

Years went by as it finally found its true love...
The love of others...Others.Three to be exact. Letting them into every secret...feeding from every branch...Every part used for their...Lives!!!

Noticed its walking more staggered than normal...
The breeze didn't flow...
Like it... Used to...The heart seemed to pound
Slower and slower...
What caused this? (What caused this?)
It soon was noticed that these three had torn every branch,
Every single stem...

Torn to its last.. life!!! How hadn't it noticed!?
A drastic change in the surroun-dings!
It didn't think anything could go this wrong!

Comfort-It thought life was constant happiness
If constant happiness was all that was given out.
Given out

It thought life was constant happiness
If constant happiness was all that was given out.
Given outHints and all, (all)
They did as they pleased...
And now it's starting to wilt away

[Peace God]

I fucking hate rap...all they rap about is being time traveling gynecologists from Jupiter.

[Severus Snape]

I fucking hate rap...all they rap about is being time traveling gynecologists from Jupiter.

Most rap lyrics I hear are disgusting.

[Amnesiac]

Most rap lyrics I hear are disgusting.

Then you haven't looked hard enough. I mean, I don't even consider the shit they put on the radio these days 'rap'.

Alternative rap and the hardcore rap of the 90s both talk about the issues that people living in the projects, in some of the worst poverty in the United States, deal with. They talk about the dire living conditions of these neglected populations and the plight of those involved with gangs and other types of city violence, such as the drug trade.

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Lyrics here. (http://www.sweetslyrics.com/490920.INTELLIGENT%20HOODLUM%20-%20Street%20Life.html)

[Peace God]

Most rap lyrics I hear are disgusting.
lol no way me too!
Cary her to the cemetery and bury her...
...finger fuck her after I dig her up and then eat her out with a bit of mustard

[Severus Snape]

^ Lil Wayne's stunning song relating how he won't have sexual relations with his "pussy ass nigga" (his words, not mine) because he doesn't want her gonorrhea springs intantly to mind. Charming. I wish he was still in prison.Racist piece of scum he is.

Then you haven't looked hard enough. I mean, I don't even consider the shit they put on the radio these days 'rap'.

Alternative rap and the hardcore rap of the 90s both talk about the issues that people living in the projects, in some of the worst poverty in the United States, deal with. They talk about the dire living conditions of these neglected populations and the plight of those involved with gangs and other types of city violence, such as the drug trade.

OR3IRoPurTI

Lyrics here. (http://www.sweetslyrics.com/490920.INTELLIGENT%20HOODLUM%20-%20Street%20Life.html)

Yeah but I feel like a seventh grader could write that. I mean, it is hardly a literary miracle in itself. There's nothing deeper than what he's saying, and its pretty boring. Susan (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Efm6dhMhvw&feature=related) is pretty much singing about the same thing but in my opinion a much more interesting and stimulating way.

[Perseus]

I looked up eyedea. Your idea of "philosophical" is interesting and my opinion doesn't change. In any case I don't like rap and I think it is shite, you're not going to change my opinion. Also since when did the ability to speak quickly count as musical talent? You're confusing he respect issue with the liking issue. I don't like rap and I don't respect it. I don't like Ska, but I respect it. Rap is music like a #3 from McDonalds at one point came from the same cow that produces a quality steak.

And BTBAM is one of the most accomplished post-hardcore bands around. If you don't like their music, fine, but you can't deny that they're talented. And if you were blown away by Eyedea's lyrics you should look up BTBAM's.

Obviously you didn't listen to either of deadpie's example because they were nothing like mainstream rap. Also, BTBAM is shit galore. Who cares if they're accomplished cause they're not good.

[Peace God]

^ Lil Wayne's stunning song relating how he won't have sexual relations with his "pussy ass nigga" (his words, not mine) because he doesn't want her gonorrhea springs intantly to mind. Charming. I wish he was still in prison.Racist piece of scum he is.
Lil Wayne isn't the kind of 'rap' any of us are talking about.

Yeah but I feel like a seventh grader could write that. I mean, it is hardly a literary miracle in itself. There's nothing deeper than what he's saying, and its pretty boring.
Are really trying to say that what he's rapping doesn't have a significant message?

[Severus Snape]

Are really trying to say that what he's rapping doesn't have a significant message?

No, I said the message was good, but the delivery is shite.

Obviously you didn't listen to either of deadpie's example because they were nothing like mainstream rap. Also, BTBAM is shit galore. Who cares if they're accomplished cause they're not good.

I listened to both, actually. For the umpteenth time I don't care what your opinion of the music is, but you can't deny they have talent.

[Perseus]

No, I said the message was good, but the delivery is shite.



I listened to both, actually. For the umpteenth time I don't care what your opinion of the music is, but you can't deny they have talent.

Yes, I can. I just did.

[Peace God]

...but the delivery is shite.
You're extremely closed minded if you think that vocalists from all genres should have similar delivery styles for their lyrics. The delivery is different than what you're used to...deal with it.

[Severus Snape]

You're extremely closed minded if you think that vocalists from all genres should have similar delivery styles for their lyrics. The delivery is different than what you're used to...deal with it.

I just don't like it, I don't understand why that offends you.

And thats not what I think at all. I listen to music ranging from post hardcore all the way to Irish folk songs.

[Peace God]

I don't understand why that offends you.
Ha! Who said it offends me?

I admit, the song could have been more... ummm, 'poetic'... this particular rapper took a more straightforward approach to delivering his message. But you're fooling yourself if you think that less lyrics and more ambiguity qualifies something as better and more meaningful art.

[Severus Snape]

Ha! Who said it offends me?

I admit, the song could have been more... ummm, 'poetic'... this particular rapper took a more straightforward approach to delivering his message. But you're fooling yourself if you think that less lyrics and more ambiguity qualifies something as better and more meaningful art.

To me it does. Considering who his audience is I think he chose the right medium, but the style doesn't appeal to me. Delivery means a lot to me. Country music falls into the same trap. What they're saying might be meaningful but I can't stand the delivery (and the cliches)

If you like it then good, I hope you enjoy it, but I would rather not listen to it.

[embers]

Watch all of this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2-4ghKA0HTk) and tell me they aren't talented. You can't. Even of you hate their music.

They aren't talented. They can play musical instruments. You wanted talented in terms of this shitty genre (and the genres like it), go have a look at the fast paced songs (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hjZXUyvFQDA) and epic ending guitar/keyboard solos (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B6vEBOz3QZc) by Children of Bodom. They're a band I used to like, but since I moved on from the genre I regard them as talented at what they do.

This song comes from the Colors album, 70+ minutes of continuous music.

My cousin's in a band. They get high and can play music continuously for hours and hours, too. That doesn't mean they are talented.

and because you probably can't understand them:

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If you had to give us the lyrics for us to understand them, then there's no point of the song having them, save for us to hear the screaming. Incomprehensible lyrics drowned by screaming, deep-growling and general self-throatfucking defeat the purpose of lyrics.


As for rap, there's hardly a talented rapper in the mainstream nowadays. Deadpie best described the mainstram in a post elsewhere:

...then a collection of pop songs with shitty dance synthesizers and talentless hacks piss all over them.
...some shitty pop singles that could of been made in my bathroom with me shitting on the microphone...

But that doesn't mean rap and hiphop as entire genres should be dismissed as shit. There's some pretty good stuff to go around.



As for me, it's all about the folk rock and indie bands. They actually get something done, and do it well. Like Noah & (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ICGHF_SB_jc) The Whale (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t7Q2b2uTlHY) and Fanfarlo (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PsXhQfIZD2c). Throw in a bit of this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HWo0BcPgtGU), and a bit of that (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A3OT-uxx6_Y) and you've pretty much nailed my music taste.

But these Australians that call themselves the Middle East are quite cool IMO:

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[Peace God]

To me it does.
Well, like I said, enjoy your extremely narrow minded view of music.

Ambiguous doesn't automatically mean more artistic.
Plus, there's countless hip hop songs with more poetic lyrics and deeper/metaphorical themes than the one posted.
And less lyrics? Really? That means better artistry?

Considering who his audience is I think he chose the right medium
I like the way you worded that.

Anyways, be back later. I gotta go to work.
...uh i mean, fuck bitches, sell crack and get paid.

[Rutherford The Brave]

Phish...Phish..Phish.PhishPhish!Phish!!Phish!!!

[Severus Snape]

Well, like I said, enjoy your extremely narrow minded view of music.

Ambiguous doesn't automatically mean more artistic.
Plus, there's countless hip hop songs with more poetic lyrics and deeper/metaphorical themes than the one posted.
And less lyrics? Really? That means better artistry?
.

This song (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WmX_GgozpQs) has 8 words in the official transcript and is better than any rap song I have ever heard. Music is subjective, like most things, so what makes music enjoyable to me only applies to me. It will be impossible to understand if you approach it defensively.

[AgusCO]

I wish you all would stop...It's not only my music tastes that I don't like to see bashed, it's anyone's. It's just stupid and I don't think anyone will ever get someone to change their taste in music pointing out all these technical and rational stuff, probably cause music is not about who plays the guitar better or who can reach a higher note, it's about what you feel connected to.

[deadpie]

And thats not what I think at all. I listen to music ranging from post hardcore all the way to Irish folk songs.

OH WOW. I didn't know you were so open minded to so many different tastes in music! Wow! You listen to folk AND post hardcore? AND you think all rap sucks?

You get me there. Damn, all these points everyone makes against you in the fact you ignore most of them is just amazing. Why? Because they aren't pwning you; you in fact, are pwning yourself.

[Severus Snape]

OH WOW. I didn't know you were so open minded to so many different tastes in music! Wow! You listen to folk AND post hardcore? AND you think all rap sucks?

You get me there. Damn, all these points everyone makes against you in the fact you ignore most of them is just amazing. Why? Because they aren't pwning you; you in fact, are pwning yourself.

You don't know me. Don't pretend to.

[BOBBY HILL]

hey guys i listen to everything but country and rap lol

[Severus Snape]

hey guys i listen to everything but country and rap lol

Pretty much me too, but throw classic rock in there.

[deadpie]

Pretty much me too, but throw classic rock in there.

http://cdn2.knowyourmeme.com/i/000/038/866/original/MUSICALLY-OBLIVIOUS-8TH-GRADER-I-LISTEN-TO-EVERYTHING--EXCEPT-COUNTRY-AND-RAP.jpg?1265499987

*Claps*

You fell for the joke.

[Severus Snape]

You're a very rude little boy. I was going to share my chant with you, but not anymore I think.

[deadpie]

You're a very rude little boy. I was going to share my chant with you, but not anymore I think.

It's cool. I got a two gigabyte sized torrent of chants. Not really trying to be rude, but more so honest. Hurts when people are honest, huh?

[Rutherford The Brave]

phissshhh

[Severus Snape]

It's cool. I got a two gigabyte sized torrent of chants. Not really trying to be rude, but more so honest. Hurts when people are honest, huh?

So quick to be self justifying and superior. I have 14 gigs of post classical and pre-baroque music. All a part of my massive external hard drive full of music. Remember, you don't know me, and while otherwise we might have actually found a lot of musical common ground you have chosen to burn a bridge. Your style of honesty will make you few friends. "Being honest" is usually just a misleading way to say "being an ass to people," but have it your way.

[deadpie]

So quick to be self justifying and superior. I have 14 gigs of post classical and pre-baroque music. All a part of my massive external hard drive full of music.

Ok? What's that supposed to prove? You're just stroking your music elitest ego even more. I'm not trying to compete with you buddy, nor do I even care.


Remember, you don't know me, and while otherwise we might have actually found a lot of musical common ground you have chosen to burn a bridge. Your style of honesty will make you few friends.

Good try. And I don't need to know you to say the things I've already said.

And no, we wouldn't find anything in common. Sure, we both like classical music. Hell, allot of people like classical music. The difference between them and I is that I don't just listen to one thing and I actually explore every little sub genre in each genre. The difference is they might not be open to allot of things. The irony of most people into classical music is that they'll call their taste complex to understand, but if you handed them some japanoise they wouldn't understand it a damn bit.


"Being honest" is usually just a misleading way to say "being an ass to people," but have it your way.

My goal isn't to be an ass. If I was trying to do that, I would have gotten myself banned a couple posts back. You're not aggravating me that much yet, but don't worry; it's growing.

[Peace God]

Music is subjective, like most things, so what makes music enjoyable to me only applies to me. It will be impossible to understand if you approach it defensively.
I really don't care if the music is within your tastes or not, you've still decided to hold your prejudices and false generalizations towards something you clearly know nothing about. People that know way more about the genre than you have shown you that the majority of the stereotypes are not true...yet you still chose to hold the same prejudices, almost completely disregard the music as art and showed very little respect. That sir, is the definition of closed minded and I will call people out on it almost every time.
This song (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WmX_GgozpQs) has 8 words in the official transcript and is better than any rap song I have ever heard.

You seemed to have ignored my points:

More ambiguity and less lyrics does not qualify music as "better" artistry.

..."this song has 8 words and i like it better than any rap song i know" is not an argument...it's a meaningless statement. I could easily post a hip hop song with 0-7 words and say "I win"...it still wouldn't mean anything.

[Fushigi]

yea kinda :D

[BOBBY HILL]

Pretty much me too, but throw classic rock in there.

oh my fucking god

[Bluesman]

Hi, well, I was just thinking about how I strongly dislike american music these days. With all the dubbed over, fake, screechy voices with artists like Ke$ha, lady gaga and such, it just doesn't seem like real music anymore. And then, a lot of the songs are just filled with sexual references and they just don't have to seem meaning anymore. I always thought music was meant to express feelings, but it seems that these artists will sing things that most likely mean nothing.. I can't stand listening to the radio anymore because of all this "trashy" music.. Am I just odd?

Hip Hop, Rap, Techno, Screamo, and most of today's Metal sucks. It's emotionless and in the case of Hip Hop, Rap, and Techno, it's little more than talking with a billion effects over it. Oh god.... I have to listen to the Black Eyed Peas do the superbowl halftime show... ugh...

[Peace God]

Hip Hop, Rap, Techno, Screamo, and most of today's Metal sucks. It's emotionless and in the case of Hip Hop, Rap, and Techno, it's little more than talking with a billion effects over it.
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[deadpie]

Hip Hop, Rap, Techno, Screamo, and most of today's Metal sucks. It's emotionless and in the case of Hip Hop, Rap, and Techno, it's little more than talking with a billion effects over it. Oh god.... I have to listen to the Black Eyed Peas do the superbowl halftime show... ugh...

You know nothing about hip hop
You know nothing about electronic music
You know nothing about screamo
You know nothing about metal

Your argument is invalid and your reasons were not well explained. Also, you're generalizing all techno to be a bunch of sound effects when you clearly haven't even researched how the music is made and such.

[Rutherford The Brave]

Jam bands, lets talk jam bands.

[deadpie]

Jam bands, lets talk jam bands.

>Implying there's more than five users on VT that listen to jam bands.

But ok.

My favorite one is Special Others. They're kind of jazzy btw.

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...Now i'm going to end up listening to them all day.

[Rutherford The Brave]

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Im not implying anything, I just wanna talk about jam bands.

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[deadpie]

Im not implying anything, I just wanna talk about jam bands.


Damn, I was just about to edit my post and add moe. You beat me to it, assface. :D

Well. Huh.

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[Lifeguard18]

Everybody has different taste in music. Even if you think its crap. Imo, I don't listen to gaga but she deserves a lot of credit. She doesn't use a fake voice. Have you ever heard her live, her voice sounds amazing.

There are tons of good artists out there unknown. Search and discover and see what you find.

Think about this. Who do you know that listens to Ke$ha on a regular basis? I DO NOT know any one who listens to her on a daily basis. The only good song she has ever made is Animal. The rest is torture to the ears.

Music ALWAYS changes and no one likes to adjust to new things. In ten or five years from now, we are going to call music crap when that generation of people will love it. That will always happen. Its a never ending cycle. But sadly, some artists are going to be forgotten about in the future, just like we barely know any artisits from the 1920s. Why? Cause music has changed sinced the 1920s. Like I said, a never ending cycle and we can't prevent it.

And just because an artist is known in amaerica, doesn't mean their music is crap and they aren't known around the world, just like bieber is known from canada, but everyone around the world knows him.

Everyone has different taste in music and can't be changed.

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[AgusCO]

Think about this. Who do you know that listens to Ke$ha on a regular basis? I DO NOT know any one who listens to her on a daily basis


I do (:

[Peace God]

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[deadpie]

Everyone has different taste in music and can't be changed.

Bullshit. I got Faris to stop listening to Britney Spears and start listening to Merzbow, which is some of the most difficult listening music you can find.


Everybody has different taste in music. Even if you think its crap. Imo, I don't listen to gaga but she deserves a lot of credit. She doesn't use a fake voice. Have you ever heard her live, her voice sounds amazing.

All because you can sing doesn't mean your music is completely good. Such as this - I just found a band with an amazing bass player, but the others in the band just ruin it all.


There are tons of good artists out there unknown. Search and discover and see what you find.

You just said that we should deal with peoples music tastes but at the same tell people to look for unknown artists. Wait what?


Think about this. Who do you know that listens to Ke$ha on a regular basis? I DO NOT know any one who listens to her on a daily basis. The only good song she has ever made is Animal. The rest is torture to the ears.

I know of people who do. And I don't like her music. You're not making any point from this by the way.


Music ALWAYS changes and no one likes to adjust to new things. In ten or five years from now, we are going to call music crap when that generation of people will love it. That will always happen.

Don't speak for everyone. And that's a horrible statement. People are calling this generation crap already and people will always call things crap. That's music. There's always going to be a critic against something you like no matter how good or bad they are.


Its a never ending cycle. But sadly, some artists are going to be forgotten about in the future, just like we barely know any artisits from the 1920s. Why? Cause music has changed sinced the 1920s. Like I said, a never ending cycle and we can't prevent it.

Nothing is forgotten. And wow, there you go saying 'we' like you speak for everyone. There's allot of people who listen to music from any time. None of it is just dead and never listened to again just because it's a little old.


And just because an artist is known in amaerica, doesn't mean their music is crap and they aren't known around the world, just like bieber is known from canada, but everyone around the world knows him.

Who said that american music isn't bad? And all because someone is well known doesn't mean they have more talent then others. You should realize there's more underground music then there is mainstream. That also means you're going to find more talent behind the spotlights then from what is given to you on the radio.

[embers]

Oh god.... I have to listen to the Black Eyed Peas do the superbowl halftime show... ugh...

Black Eyed Peas' older songs were actually bearable.

Edit: Oops, I missed out a whole pages of posts. My apologies.

[BOBBY HILL]

Image (http://img826.imageshack.us/img826/8312/237600weedcomic6.png)

If you're going to use reaction images use ones with correct background color

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[Peace God]

I think the right reaction to this thread would be a super-human facepalm that results in my whole hand sticking out of the back of my head.

Also, > Implying everyone uses Forever Blue.

[Aves]

This thread makes me lose so much respect for a few of you. I'm sticking with what deadpie, Volatile, and Boss DJ have all stated.

XN96sXjQiv8

I remember when you showed me this band a while back.

[Peace God]

Speaking of 'disgusting' hip hop. I'm postin some pornocore up in this bitch:

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[deadpie]

Speaking of 'disgusting' hip hop. I'm postin some pornocore up in this bitch:


DID SOMEONE SAY PORNOCORE?

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Mike Patton up in this motherfucker.

Okay, all you pus-sucking motherfuckers out there
It's time to win a chance to butt-bang
Your daughter's tight virgin cherry ass to caller #666

The urge is too much to take
All I can think about is playing with myself
It's time to masturbate
I've got my Hustler and I don't need nothin' else

My hand gets tired and my dick gets sore
But the girls of porn want more
So I flip throught the pages one more time
And I just let the jism fly

A quarter for a peep show
A private booth or talking to a naked whore
Triple X video
976 and I can whack it on the phone

Nobody's home, I'm alone
The devil in Miss Jones
Nobody's home, I'm alone
Aja & John Holmes

Ain't got no woman next to me
I just got this magazine
And what's on the TV screen
But that's okay with me

My hand gets tired and my dick gets sore
But the girls of porn want more
So I flip throught the pages one more time
And I just let the jism fly

I was trained to fuck you baby

[Peace God]

DID SOMEONE SAY PORNOCORE?

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[deadpie]

song

I'd post it, but I don't want to get infracted...

The Notorious B.I.G. - Fuck Me

But here's this too!

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[Peace God]

Mike Patton up in this motherfucker.
more patton...

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Romantic pornocore ftw. Yes its just and excuse to post more of this album. :cool:

Also, Tyler...
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Yes, it had to be done.
I think i'll stop now though. :P

[Daniel_]

I can't find any of the good music then /:

Well, what type of music do you like?

And yes, I agree that all the recent artists are so bad, half of them without auto tuning and editing would sound so terrible - but there are still good bands out there.

My personal favorite is Disturbed, but theres even more than that.
Theres 3 doors down,
Jack Johnson,
Papa Roach,
Eminem(If your into that stuff =S),
Keith Urban,
The Offspring,
A day to remember,
Skillet,
Korn,
And a lot more, you just got to find them. ;p

[deadpie]

And a lot more, you just got to find them. ;p

Those aren't hard to find.

[Rutherford The Brave]

Well, what type of music do you like?

And yes, I agree that all the recent artists are so bad, half of them without auto tuning and editing would sound so terrible - but there are still good bands out there.

My personal favorite is Disturbed, but theres even more than that.
Theres 3 doors down,
Jack Johnson,
Papa Roach,
Eminem(If your into that stuff =S),
Keith Urban,
The Offspring,
A day to remember,
Skillet,
Korn,
And a lot more, you just got to find them. ;p

The only group on that list that is passible is The Offspring...lol

This thread makes me lose so much respect for a few of you. I'm sticking with what deadpie, Volatile, and Boss DJ have all stated.



I remember when you showed me this band a while back.

Yeah, I jammed with these guys once they are nasty.

[Kahn]

Well, what type of music do you like?

And yes, I agree that all the recent artists are so bad, half of them without auto tuning and editing would sound so terrible - but there are still good bands out there.

My personal favorite is Disturbed, but theres even more than that.
Theres 3 doors down,
Jack Johnson,
Papa Roach,
Eminem(If your into that stuff =S),
Keith Urban,
The Offspring,
A day to remember,
Skillet,
Korn,
And a lot more, you just got to find them. ;p

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[Sugaree]

My personal favorite is Disturbed, but theres even more than that.
Theres 3 doors down,
Jack Johnson,
Papa Roach,
Eminem(If your into that stuff =S),
Keith Urban,
The Offspring,
A day to remember,
Skillet,
Korn,
And a lot more, you just got to find them. ;p
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[Daniel_]

Each to their own.

[Sugaree]

Each to their own.

No, not at all. Naming a ton of mainstream bands then saying there's a lot more if you look is just...I don't even know how to explain this.

[Daniel_]

No, not at all. Naming a ton of mainstream bands then saying there's a lot more if you look is just...I don't even know how to explain this.

I don't quite see the dilemma.. Stating a list of artists I personally enjoy, then saying theres many more out there? Whats the problem?

[Rutherford The Brave]

I don't quite see the dilemma.. Stating a list of artists I personally enjoy, then saying theres many more out there? Whats the problem?

The dilemma is you posted a bunch of bands that the majority of people don't like them or think they are awful artists...lol

[Kahn]

Each to their own.

To each their own*

[Sugaree]

I don't quite see the dilemma.. Stating a list of artists I personally enjoy, then saying theres many more out there? Whats the problem?

>Jack Johnson
>Korn
>Skillet
>good

You're trippin' balls.

[music is my soul]

ok im going to try to top the arguement although i know it wont work.

we all lik different types of music so why are we having this huge arguement about it. i lik jack johnson and 3doors down that doesnt mean cheif or boss dj do. do u get wat im saying?

[Charleigh]

Id rather the bullshit we have now to the opera ones in black and white.

[Sugaree]

Id rather the bullshit we have now to the opera ones in black and white.

And what's so wrong with opera?

[BOBBY HILL]

"Hey fuck you guys it's my taste not yours"

>Has only listened to stuff on MTV and top 40 billboard.

>Most people's "taste" is the majority's taste.

[deadpie]

Id rather the bullshit we have now to the opera ones in black and white.

The fuck does operas in black and white mean?

[Rutherford The Brave]

The fuck does operas in black and white mean?

Like a formal opera, in which you wear black and white attire? Or a opera that is only frequented by mimes?

[Triceratops]

I think she just means old-fashioned music that a stereotypical grandparent might listen to.