Baby Bapitize

[HeroesAndCons]

Do u agree with bapitizing young children

i personally dont cause then you are enforcing your child to beleve iin what you want
i dont have the same religion as my parents
and the child is gonna end up exploring other religions or choose to not have a religion

Whats ur veiws

[Kaius]

TWPR :arrow2: ROTW

I don't agree with it no. They should be able to make their own decision once their old enough to.

[Sage]

I really don't think it means anything unless religious teaching continues throughout childhood. I was baptized, and today I'm a satanist.

[Magus]

I really don't think it means anything unless religious teaching continues throughout childhood. I was baptized, and today I'm a satanist.I was Sunnitised, and today I'm a Naturalist. Praying to God aka Teh Void.

My phallus looks silly now.

[Azunite]

I really don't think it means anything unless religious teaching continues throughout childhood. I was baptized, and today I'm a satanist.

That's what I wanted to say. Being baptized does not mean you are Christian for a life time. I was circumcised ( which is an important ritual for Islam ) but if I want I could be Christian, Atheist or anything I want.

I find all this baptizing thing useless anyway. Why would you be guilty for something Adam done, and need to be washed away?

[nick]

You cant enforce a child to believe anything just by baptising them, its a harmless procedure but important to the faith of the parents. It also provides a nice way for family and friends to get together to celebrate the birth and naming of a child.

[Dark_Hellfire]

I think its kinda stupid given the baby has absolutely no clue whats happening to it nor the importance of it for that religion.

[Magus]

I was circumcised ( which is an important ritual for Islam )Also known as Sunnitising(now) - look above(ur) post.

[Fourth Dimension]

i dont agree with it i feel like its forcing religion on a person it should be their choice when they are old enough

[Jess]

I was baptized .... but a few years afterwards I stopped believing in God.

even if the baby was baptized that won't change what he or she will grow up to believe

[Ambrosia]

I believe in it. You're not forcing your child to believe anything because they are too young to even understand. A baptism is more for the family and parents then it is for the children. It is basically allowing the parents to know that their child has been accepted to Jesus, not that the child has accepted Jesus. There is a huge difference.

I was baptised when I was just a few months old. I'm not a heavy believer in religion, I've pretty much renounced a good bit of my faith. My parents didn't force a thing on me.

[Bluesman]

That should be their decision. Baptizing is supposed to be a sort of pledge of faith or to represent a cleansing. There is no way a baby can make that decision, and the parents should let them wait until they can.

[steve1234]

I was baptised when I was a baby, and now I am definatly an athiest. I don't believe a parent is wrong for baptising their baby, but I think there is no harm waiting to be an adult, and have an adult baptism instead.

I think, if the parents are religious, they should have the right to bring up their children in a christian way, muslim way, etc etc, and then let the child make their own decision about religion when they reach a certain age, like 16 or 18. Although, even if they decide to be a part of another religion or an athiest before 16 or 18, the parents shouldn't force them to continue being the same religion as them (i.e. saying their child will go to hell etc).

Basically, parents should have the right to bring their children up in whatever religion, but they shouldn't be forceful against the child if they no longer want to be a part of that religion.

[Amnesiac]

I agree that it's both an insignificant ceremony and that the child should be able to choose their own religion. I'd even go as far as making it illegal for a parent to indoctrinate their child into a religion.

[Azunite]

Also known as Sunnitising(now) - look above(ur) post.

Yeah, in Turkish it is Sünnet but I had no idea it had an English counterpart

[greekboy]

No, I don't believe that you should indoctrinate children in this way. Such decisions should be made only by the child/adult when they are old enough to understand the arguments and given a free choice. Same goes for circumcision and any religious dogma.

[Modus Operandi]

I'm actually surprised churches allow baptizing at birth, because one of their usual teachings is that god must be accepted willingly and lovingly. Difficult to argue an infant can understand that concept.

[Aves]

And here's where I enter my knowledge on the Catholic church.

Being baptized is just ONE of THREE acts of initiation. The other two are Reconciliation (I believe) and Confirmation. So you're being introduced to the Church at a young age, but you never have to go through with the next two unless you chose to.

[Malcolm Tucker]

The other two are Reconciliation (I believe) and Confirmation.

(1) Baptism
(2) First Holy Communion
(3) Confirmation

[Aves]

(1) Baptism
(2) First Holy Communion
(3) Confirmation

Alright, I haven't bothered remembering for a while.

[greekboy]

I'm actually surprised churches allow baptizing at birth, because one of their usual teachings is that god must be accepted willingly and lovingly. Difficult to argue an infant can understand that concept.

Ah, that is the role of the Godparents who are doing it on behalf of the child until the child is old enough to understand for themselves. The Godparents are also supposed to protect the child from the devil in the meantime -which is handy but of course also complete bullshit.

[Sogeking]

Well technically, baptizing a baby is sort of useless because babies are born pure. You're supposed to be baptized once you accepted Jesus Christ as your savior. It shows the world that the old you died and you've been "reborn".

As for indoctrinating children, I honestly don't know. :/ Children don't know much about this world, and indoctrinating them about any belief, will help shed some light into this world of ours. So in short it is sort of a necessity.

[Iceman]

Anabaptist.

[Sage]

As for indoctrinating children, I honestly don't know. :/ Children don't know much about this world, and indoctrinating them about any belief, will help shed some light into this world of ours. So in short it is sort of a necessity.

You aren't shedding any light on anything if the beliefs you instill in children are fairy tales. Religion is a fairy tale.

[Syvelocin]

I fucking hate that I was baptised. I want nothing to do with the Catholic church. And I didn't stop believing in God until I was 8, so I also had my first communion. The pictures of me in that dress are still in existence, I haven't been able to acquire and burn all of them.

If I ever had children, I would raise them with an agnostic perspective and a few of LaVey's principles (treat people how they treat you, don't waste your time on ingrates. The basics without making it a religious thing so at least I can domesticate them). However, unlike most parents, I would teach them about other religions so they had a rounded knowledge on religions, and then would be able to choose which one they believe in.

With our system now, the child is fed a religion and told it is the truth, with no one around them telling them otherwise, and the reason a third of the US is Christian is all owed to how the children actually devour the dogma without any questions. Then they end up convincing themselves that this religion is true, in some way, without discovering which religion is actually for them on their own.

[greekboy]

You aren't shedding any light on anything if the beliefs you instill in children are fairy tales. Religion is a fairy tale.

and it uses a book written hundreds of years after the fact which people seem to read like a manual without any reasoned questioning and then use the information to reason why they kill other people who have a different book.

[The Dark Lord]

And here's where I enter my knowledge on the Catholic church.

Being baptized is just ONE of THREE acts of initiation. The other two are Reconciliation (I believe) and Confirmation. So you're being introduced to the Church at a young age, but you never have to go through with the next two unless you chose to.

Reconciliation happened for me when I was 7, Confirmation a year later. This was when I was at a Catholic school, I was far too young to have any idea of what I was doing, I also didn't get much choice in the matter tbh.

[Daniel_]

I don't really care, it's not like being dunked in a pool as a baby will affect your future life, unless you know, you drown.

[UnknownError]

I wasn't baptisied but when I was about 6 (?) I had a mad church thingy ma bob cause my mum's side are all Christian. Not sure what it was, I just know it wasn't a baptism. But I do have godparents (My aunt and my dads friend.) Right now I have no religion.

And eww communions. My 3 cousins have had them and they are the most boring shitty thing I will ever do in my life. I fell asleep at my cousin Ben's last year and got daggers from my aunt and uncle when I woke up. :P

[bvboy]

TWPR :arrow2: ROTW

I don't agree with it no. They should be able to make their own decision once their old enough to.

They do have the choice. That is what confirmation is all about. Baptism only allows them to do all the other practices in that religion, but when you're about 15 or 16 you make the choice if u want to continue as a christian/catholic or not.
It doesn't mean u can't change religions or anything.

[Severus Snape]

I think its just ridiculous to thrust a baby into something it can't possibly hope to understand. I think baptism is little more than symbolic brainwashing.

[Jess]

I think its just ridiculous to thrust a baby into something it can't possibly hope to understand. I think baptism is little more than symbolic brainwashing.

but the baby is too young to understand what is going on...just because it has been baptized doesn't mean he or she will believe in God when he or she grows up

[Severus Snape]

but the baby is too young to understand what is going on...just because it has been baptized doesn't mean he or she will believe in God when he or she grows up

I'm a perfect example of that. Personally I would have preferred if my parents had waited a few years to get my permission before subjecting me to thweir bizarre religious rites.

[HeroesAndCons]

I fucking hate that I was baptised. I want nothing to do with the Catholic church. And I didn't stop believing in God until I was 8, so I also had my first communion. The pictures of me in that dress are still in existence, I haven't been able to acquire and burn all of them.

If I ever had children, I would raise them with an agnostic perspective and a few of LaVey's principles (treat people how they treat you, don't waste your time on ingrates. The basics without making it a religious thing so at least I can domesticate them). However, unlike most parents, I would teach them about other religions so they had a rounded knowledge on religions, and then would be able to choose which one they believe in.

With our system now, the child is fed a religion and told it is the truth, with no one around them telling them otherwise, and the reason a third of the US is Christian is all owed to how the children actually devour the dogma without any questions. Then they end up convincing themselves that this religion is true, in some way, without discovering which religion is actually for them on their own.

Exactaly if my children decide to folliow my religion i perfer for them to explain why they fee the need to be wiccan or pagan or any other religion

and ill wait toll they are atleast able to understand what it is

[insanity]

well I wouldnt bapatize my kids and I wouldnt recemend it but then I wouldnt say its wrong to bapatize a baby.

I dont know much about baptizim, I wasnt baptized, im glad I wasnt. But to say baptizim is wrong is to put down tthe cathlolic religions belief system.

As everyone is saying it doesnt mean anything to the child cause they are a baby, but as far as I know it doesnt harm tthem. But to the parents it obviously is very important and means alot to them. so it doesnt mean anything to the child but doesnt hurt them, but it keeps the parents happy.

so my veiw would be that it is someone elses religion so it would be unfair to say that they shouldnt baptize there kids, as thats whaat they believe. as long as it doesnt actually hurt the child and the parents are open about the child changing religion when the grow up its fine.