Egypt

[TopGear]

Well I think everyone knows what's going on over in Egypt, So with that said, what are your thoughts? Should some step in and help or should it just play out?

My opinion: Let them be, I think that is the best thing a country can do if they want someone out, The people right now are one, they all want something done and they are doing what ever means necessary for him to step down. Now thats just what I think, and I tend to think differently from others, so please share.

Keep it friendly!

[Azunite]

Egyptian War of Independence FTW
I completely support a nation's sovereignty and they have right to overthrow the rule. I am against the police ( once I joined a fight with the cops ) and I support the military power of the free nation so I think none should intervene and let them find their own republic

[Magus]

They had enough of Hussni Mubarak and his High Officials. They all are, what can you call, a curropted government that feeds on people's capital.

Did you know a working low-class is getting only 60 E-Pounds, that's Ten U.S dollars, people.

Not only that, they are tired of sitting in front the same guy for more than 40 years, now! They want a Democratic-Republic, which I think it is better for them(which can cut those fucking Egyptian immigrations to Gulf and other places).

[Azunite]

They had enough of Hussni Mubarak and his High Officials. They all are, what can you call, a curropted government that feeds on people's capital.

Did you know a working low-class is getting only 60 E-Pounds, that's Ten U.S dollars, people.

Not only that, they are tired of sitting in front the same guy for more than 40 years, now! They want a Democratic-Republic, which I think it is better for them(which can cut those fucking Egyptian immigrations to Gulf and other places).

Thumbup Faris, thumbup :D

[Amnesiac]

I don't think it's the job of any country to become involved in another nation's internal affairs. While I do agree with Obama's criticism of the nation's disconnection from the Internet and other human rights abuses, those can be handled by the United Nations and other organizations that Egypt has obligations towards.

The West should just let this play out, observing from the sidelines and expressing their support for a democratic and just government in Egypt.

[Azunite]

I don't think it's the job of any country to become involved in another nation's internal affairs. While I do agree with Obama's criticism of the nation's disconnection from the Internet and other human rights abuses, those can be handled by the United Nations and other organizations that Egypt has obligations towards.

The West should just let this play out, observing from the sidelines and expressing their support for a democratic and just government in Egypt.

Totally agree. Intervention makes matters worse. Nations should be able to take care of themselves first, to have a strong government.

[TopGear]

I agree with everyone. (Which for me is a first) hahaha :)

I think this is the best thing that could happen. The people want something, and they are going to do what they have to do to get it! If anyone steps in, even the US government, I would be upset.

[Iceman]

I'm just grabbing the popcorn, and waiting to see what happens.

[Atonement]

I have multiple friends who just left Egypt today. From what they've told me, they said the media is blowing it out of proportion (what a new idea, huh?) and the protests are mostly peaceful. The media is showing the extremes in the situation.

However, for reactions, I definitely agree that other nations shouldn't be involved in other nations' internal affairs.

[TopGear]

I have multiple friends who just left Egypt today. From what they've told me, they said the media is blowing it out of proportion (what a new idea, huh?) and the protests are mostly peaceful. The media is showing the extremes in the situation.

Shocker.... Thats just blows my mind that the media is blowing something out of proportion. ( For those who don't catch on to sarcasm, Indeed this was full of it)

[Sogeking]

If only they would do the same for Venezuela.

[Azunite]

I have multiple friends who just left Egypt today. From what they've told me, they said the media is blowing it out of proportion (what a new idea, huh?) and the protests are mostly peaceful. The media is showing the extremes in the situation.

However, for reactions, I definitely agree that other nations shouldn't be involved in other nations' internal affairs.

Your friend probably lives in Ancient Egypt, people die out there what the hell is your friend talking about. He's just showing off

[embers]

Tunisia down, several to go. Bring on the fat old dictators!

[The Dark Lord]

Mubarak is clinging on for dear life now. His V.P appointment is a 75 year old loyalist. For anyone to suggest that he is the solution is laughable. Sacking the interior minister and finance minister were shrewd decisions given their unpopularity.

Everyone seems to be agreement against foreign intervention, but why if America were willing to go to Iraq because of Saddam Hussien but aren't they willing to get rid of Robert Mugabe or Hosni Mubarak. I appreciate that Obama and Clinton want a democratic Egypt, but why the double standards?

[TopGear]

Mubarak is clinging on for dear life now. His V.P appointment is a 75 year old loyalist. For anyone to suggest that he is the solution is laughable. Sacking the interior minister and finance minister were shrewd decisions given their unpopularity.

Everyone seems to be agreement against foreign intervention, but why if America were willing to go to Iraq because of Saddam Hussien but aren't they willing to get rid of Robert Mugabe or Hosni Mubarak. I appreciate that Obama and Clinton want a democratic Egypt, but why the double standards?

Because Robert Mugabe and Hosni Mubarak are not threat to the United States or to his own people. Egypt isn't housing Terrorist (that we know of) in their country or supporting them.

[Atonement]

Your friend probably lives in Ancient Egypt, people die out there what the hell is your friend talking about. He's just showing off

Which, like I said, would be the extremes. Sure, there are terrible things, but what my friend meant was that its not just complete mass hysteria everywhere like the media seems to be saying. That's what I meant. Sorry, I wasn't clear.

[embers]

Everyone seems to be agreement against foreign intervention, but why if America were willing to go to Iraq because of Saddam Hussien but aren't they willing to get rid of Robert Mugabe or Hosni Mubarak. I appreciate that Obama and Clinton want a democratic Egypt, but why the double standards?

Because Saddam Hussein wasn't the reason America were willing to go to Iraq. And I'm glad they aren't willing to go into Egypt, they'd just fuck it up as bad as they did Iraq. Let the Egyptians do this by themselves, they're pretty close to getting rid of the old fart anyway.

[The Dark Lord]

Because Saddam Hussein wasn't the reason America were willing to go to Iraq.

What was then?

[Magus]

What was then?
The reason was: America thought that Saddam was dealing with W.O.D, and conspiring with the 9/11 bombers, and is a major threat to the region(America's causeway to crude petroleum). Most obviously.

Yes, fuck Hosni Mubarak. I wonder if Iran is going to do a counter-revolt against its current regime.

[Continuum]

I say let them be, our country's joining them soon enough. It's their own freedom, spoiling it from them by intervening would certainly flunk.

Tunisia down, several to go. Bring on the fat old dictators!

Bah. Throw away the impudent justice system and everything else too. Establish Year Zero at once.

[Magus]

Bah. Throw away the impudent justice system and everything else too. Establish Year Zero at once.So, all the countries around the globe are trying to become democratic-republic?

[TopGear]

So, all the countries around the globe are trying to become democratic-republic?

what's wrong with that?

[gingeylover14]

we all know that the arabs are always gonna fight themselves and kill one another i say we should keep an eye on them and keep our ppl out no use killin our soldiers over what we cant change
and as far as not being able to get oil goes we have so much oil here in usa we could last for hundreds of years so if we start the prossess of drilling we can be completly off forgin oils by 2015

[Continuum]

So, all the countries around the globe are trying to become democratic-republic?

Not all, just hotspots. Besides, it's good for the sanctity of inevitable change.

[Azunite]

we all know that the arabs are always gonna fight themselves and kill one another i say we should keep an eye on them and keep our ppl out no use killin our soldiers over what we cant change
and as far as not being able to get oil goes we have so much oil here in usa we could last for hundreds of years so if we start the prossess of drilling we can be completly off forgin oils by 2015

Then why the hell you steal the oil of Middle East?

[Magus]

Then why the hell you steal the oil of Middle East?They think Arab's are the idiots of the world, because of the IQ statistics.

What the folks beyond the pond don't realise, is that the Arab is watching every step the west makes. They are no idiots, they are cunning.

You think Arabs will let go their precious? They think two turns ahead of you, bub.

[Azunite]

They think Arab's are the idiots of the world, because of the IQ statistics.

What the folks beyond the pond don't realise, is that the Arab is watching every step the west makes. They are no idiots, they are cunning.

You think Arabs will let go their precious? They think two turns ahead of you, bub.

What? Arabs have a high IQ.
After Aristo, Farabi was world's second gratest philosopher. And you are this millenium's greatest visionary, Faris. No doubt.

Just because Hollywood movies show Arabs as a bunch of "Mustaphas" who have nothing but an AK-47 and few RPGs.

Every single American has some fascism in their heart. They think they are safe in their little island continent. They think camels reduce IQ.
America says that it is world's oil, not Middle East's and invade there to get oil. I wonder what will America say when people run out of oil and ask America for few drops.

[The Dark Lord]

we all know that the arabs are always gonna fight themselves and kill one another

You are aware that human beings have been doing the above since the beginning of time?

[Magus]

What? Arabs have a high IQ.
After Aristo, Farabi was world's second gratest philosopher. And you are this millenium's greatest visionary, Faris. No doubt.

Just because Hollywood movies show Arabs as a bunch of "Mustaphas" who have nothing but an AK-47 and few RPGs.

Every single American has some fascism in their heart. They think they are safe in their little island continent. They think camels reduce IQ.
America says that it is world's oil, not Middle East's and invade there to get oil. I wonder what will America say when people run out of oil and ask America for few drops.So true my friend. I have recently repped you for a silly joke you made. But I wish have I kept for a post like this. I swear by Allah!, what you have said there made me tear. Amazing. It's one of the posts that you make that actually makes sense, and actually true nonetheless.

Kudos to you, my brother.

[Skeptical Bear]

I think they should just leave them alone. As corrupt as their government sounds, they should keep on trying to overthrow the rule because this guys a fucking cheat. America shouldn't even get involved. For some unknown reason, I feel that they'll just fuck up shit over so just let them be.

[Azunite]

So true my friend. I have recently repped you for a silly joke you made. But I wish have I kept for a post like this. I swear by Allah!, what you have said there made me tear. Amazing. It's one of the posts that you make that actually makes sense, and actually true nonetheless.

Kudos to you, my brother.

Thanks brother.

[embers]

we all know that the arabs are always gonna fight themselves and kill one another i say we should keep an eye on them and keep our ppl out no use killin our soldiers over what we cant change
and as far as not being able to get oil goes we have so much oil here in usa we could last for hundreds of years so if we start the prossess of drilling we can be completly off forgin oils by 2015

...really? Really?]

What the folks beyond the pond don't realise, is that the Arab is watching every step the west makes. They are no idiots, they are cunning.... They think two turns ahead of you, bub.

Nononono, the US does watch every move the Arab world makes too. But from perspectives like this (http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/blog/2011/feb/03/middle-east-unrest-glenn-beck).

[Perseus]

we all know that the arabs are always gonna fight themselves and kill one another i say we should keep an eye on them and keep our ppl out no use killin our soldiers over what we cant change
and as far as not being able to get oil goes we have so much oil here in usa we could last for hundreds of years so if we start the prossess of drilling we can be completly off forgin oils by 2015

Because they were obviously (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caliphate) never (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Umayyad) unified (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abbasid_Caliphate).

[Azunite]

Because they were obviously (Caliphate) never (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Umayyad) unified (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abbasid_Caliphate).

Wish we had Oil in Ottoman Era


Addition:
...really? Really?]



Nononono, the US does watch every move the Arab world makes too. But from perspectives like this (http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/blog/2011/feb/03/middle-east-unrest-glenn-beck).

The guy thinks China would come all the way to Caspian Sea.
Though I agree Medditerranean ( Shit I spelled it wrong didn't I ) states will become Muslim states. France's Muslim population rises daily, More than half of Holland's population is Muslim...

Though I don't agree with the guy at this point: What makes him riots will spread country by country? The guy was like "France's f ire will hop on Germany, then to Poland, then Baltic States, North Pole then it will go through the earth and hit the Antartics, then the scientists there will bring fire to America, then to Mexcico, NASA will be effected, Fire on moon..."

[Azunite]

(Sorry double post)

[embers]

The guy thinks China would come all the way to Caspian Sea.
Though I agree Medditerranean ( Shit I spelled it wrong didn't I ) states will become Muslim states. France's Muslim population rises daily, More than half of Holland's population is Muslim...

Though I don't agree with the guy at this point: What makes him riots will spread country by country? The guy was like "France's f ire will hop on Germany, then to Poland, then Baltic States, North Pole then it will go through the earth and hit the Antartics, then the scientists there will bring fire to America, then to Mexcico, NASA will be effected, Fire on moon..."

And from what I've heard, so many Americans listen to and believe in shit like that.

[The Dark Lord]

And from what I've heard.

The least persuasive statement ever written in the english language.

[embers]

The least persuasive statement ever written in the english language.

It was in the comments section of the article I posted, so I'm not gonna take people's word for it. Hence the difference between 'from what I've heard' and 'in actual fact'.

[The Dark Lord]

It was in the comments section of the article I posted, so I'm not gonna take people's word for it. Hence the difference between 'from what I've heard' and 'in actual fact'.

Which is presumably why you said that so many Americans believe in it.

[embers]

Which is presumably why you said that so many Americans believe in it.

I said I heard that many Americans believe in it. Who am I to say if they really do? I was just putting it out there.

[The Dark Lord]

I said I heard that many Americans believe in it. Who am I to say if they really do? I was just putting it out there.

Your not, most Americans aren't as stupid as their sterotyped.

[Perseus]

Wish we had Oil in Ottoman Era




I'm lost.

[embers]

Your not, most Americans aren't as stupid as their sterotyped.

Spot on there, but their immigration officers seem to have IQs half their shoe size. Hence why I wasn't let into America for a school's ski trip.

[Severus Snape]

Your not, most Americans aren't as stupid as their sterotyped.

Lawl.

[embers]

Lawl.

Have a look at your keyboard. The 's' and the 'd' lie next to each other, and one can easily press one instead of the other. A correctly phrased statement would have been 'Most Americans aren't as stupid as they're stereotyped', which is what you are implying, but you forget that it could have simply been an error at the end of the word 'stereotyped':

"Most Americans aren't as stupid as their stereotypes."

Your 'lawling' at the 'misuse' of 'their' is therefore invalid.

Please, if you're going to contribute to a debate thread, don't put shit through the letterbox. Thank you.

[Fushigi]

I'm just grabbing the popcorn, and waiting to see what happens.


haha well could u hand me some popcorns? coz im doing the same

(but i think president mubarak should give up his power if he really cares for his country and country men he will sacrifice ) thou i dont really know who is right or wrong :P

[Azunite]

I'm lost.

Ottomans had conquered Arabian states and united them
You said that they weren't united now, Middle East was united in Ottoman Era and usage of oil there wouldn't be a problem if we founded oil back then

[Magus]

You said that they weren't united now, Middle East was united in Ottoman Era and usage of oil there wouldn't be a problem if we founded oil back thenGreedy ass Ottomons. It's a good thing the English came and took back what belonged to the people and gave them back.

[Perseus]

Ottomans had conquered Arabian states and united them
You said that they weren't united now, Middle East was united in Ottoman Era and usage of oil there wouldn't be a problem if we founded oil back then

It's called sarcasm, I'm sorry. I thought it was obvious that I was being sarcastic since I linked to caliphates.

[Azunite]

It's called sarcasm, I'm sorry. I thought it was obvious that I was being sarcastic since I linked to caliphates.

I'm lost now, literally
You were talking about caliphates ( who weren't united ) and then I talked about a united Ottoman Empire how did you made a sarcasm

[Perseus]

I'm lost now, literally
You were talking about caliphates ( who weren't united ) and then I talked about a united Ottoman Empire how did you made a sarcasm

The caliphates were united. Or am I being stupid? The Arabs conquered everything, which means they're united.

[Magus]

The caliphates were united. Or am I being stupid? The Arabs conquered everything, which means they're united.
It was the otherway around. The Ottomons conquered everything. And whatever those guy took were brought back by the French and English colonists. And at the end were given back to their respective owner.

[Azunite]

The caliphates were united. Or am I being stupid? The Arabs conquered everything, which means they're united.

Before Ottomans Moors, Egyptians and other Caliphates were split up by land but they would all follow the orders of Islamic Caliph eventually,
Caliph was the leader of the religion.

[Perseus]

Before Ottomans Moors, Egyptians and other Caliphates were split up by land but they would all follow the orders of Islamic Caliph eventually,
Caliph was the leader of the religion.

Right, which meant they were united.

[Azunite]

Well from your point of view, you would also say Europe is also united ( because of European Union )
Think that as an Islamic Union. They did whatever they want, when Caliph called a Jihad, they answered.
Though it wasn't always succesfull, for exaple in WW1, Ottoman Empire called a Jihad, but thanks to Lawrence of Arabia and British power in India, none answered the call

[Perseus]

Well from your point of view, you would also say Europe is also united ( because of European Union )

They were still united in the sense they weren't fighting and had conflicting views, in the sense of modern day.

[Azunite]

They were still united in the sense they weren't fighting and had conflicting views, in the sense of modern day.

Yes, exactly. But it is like I said, you need more to call them united...
Just because two European Countries are in the same union / leauge ( European Union ) doesn't mean they can't fight with each other.

[MadManWithaBox]

My friend (whose half irish half Egyptian) is there right now

[Sogeking]

we all know that the arabs are always gonna fight themselves and kill one another i say we should keep an eye on them and keep our ppl out no use killin our soldiers over what we cant change
and as far as not being able to get oil goes we have so much oil here in usa we could last for hundreds of years so if we start the prossess of drilling we can be completly off forgin oils by 2015 what? Were at a decline of oil refining, not at a rise.