What has become of this place? [Archive]

Amnesiac

January 19th, 2011, 11:19 PM

VT, I am saddened. Over the past month, the Music section has deteriorated into endless bickering about Justin Bieber and Paramore, as well as a flood of threads dedicated to individual and incredibly shitty songs. People, you're not supposed to make a thread so you can shove your favorite song at the moment down other people's throats.

This part of the forum is devoid of any intelligent threads. I find it horrible that I have to dig to page 3 to find the Hip Hop thread, one of the last good threads here (kudos to AJ, Tim and Matt) so I can actually explore new genres. I remember the days when the Music section was actually productive — we had epic threads, debates and all sorts of fabulous activities. People were encouraged to listen to different bands, sample underground music, and have intelligent discussions. Now, it's nothing but mainstream pop-rock everywhere. Sure, there's the occasional thread that's actually worth something, but it's buried under all the talk about today's shittiest attention-whoring corporate abortions.

Why, VT? Why have you let this happen?

deadpie

January 19th, 2011, 11:21 PM

wat u takin booout just1n bi3berrrr 4 lyfe durrr

The Joker

January 19th, 2011, 11:28 PM

I find that the VT elite has slowly been thinning out, in terms of posters with good music taste and intelligence.

Amnesiac

January 19th, 2011, 11:29 PM

wat u takin booout just1n bi3berrrr 4 lyfe durrr

http://www.xtcian.com/CharlieBrownSigh(bl).jpg

I find that the VT elite has slowly been thinning out, in terms of posters with good music taste and intelligence.

I blame the decline of the Music section squarely on the amount of musical newfaggotry that has been introduced. VT's elite have, for the most part, abandoned this place.

Iron Man

January 20th, 2011, 12:06 AM

From what I have seen on this forum, only Justin Bieber has been forced into people`s ears. Paramore was simply only promoted. Then people who hardcore hate them for incoherent reasons came along and ruined that promotion for those who genuinely like their music, like myself.

Sugaree

January 20th, 2011, 12:17 AM

Then people who hardcore hate them for incoherent reasons came along and ruined that promotion for those who genuinely like their music, like myself.

Define 'ruined'.

deadpie

January 20th, 2011, 12:20 AM

Iron Man

January 20th, 2011, 12:21 AM

Define 'ruined'.

Well, simply put, the majority of VT "Elite" are basically saying that anyone who likes Paramore has no taste in music and is stupid.

deadpie

January 20th, 2011, 12:26 AM

Well, simply put, the majority of VT "Elite" are basically saying that anyone who likes Paramore has no taste in music and is stupid.

Sounds pretty accurate. Y u mad tho?

Sugaree

January 20th, 2011, 12:34 AM

Well, simply put, the majority of VT "Elite" are basically saying that anyone who likes Paramore has no taste in music and is stupid.

Take note, that most of VT users who consider themselves "above" mainstream acts are assholes. I don't like Paramore, nor have I ever, but I don't see why it somehow gives me the right to complain about them. If you like them, more power to ya. I just get tired of people always trying to shove it down our throats and tell us that we should like it. If someone wants to have a civil discussion/debate about a band or artist, I'm all for it. Just don't shove things down my throat. Don't consider anyone here as "elite", it only adds fuel to the fire.

Iron Man

January 20th, 2011, 12:36 AM

Sounds pretty accurate. Y u mad tho?

Well, I like Paramore, and it hurts my beliefs when they are put down with an onslaught of terrible comments. And to answer your previous question, I guess you got me on that one, because it wouldn`t be fair to bash one but not the other (actually, it isn`t fair at all to bash). To make it fair, can`t only opinions based on credible observances be put about bands in the section, rather than aimless allegations that are based on personal bias? Edit: To Matt, isn`t it just as bad to force down people`s throats that you shouldn` t like such bands?

Sugaree

January 20th, 2011, 12:46 AM

To Matt, isn`t it just as bad to force down people`s throats that you shouldn` t like such bands?

Oh I'm not denying that. In general, people who tell you that you should like so and so band and people who tell you that you shouldn't like so and so band are annoying pricks. Now, I'm not one for mainstream acts (at least not that many), and I used to be a real uppity son of a bitch about it. However, realizing that I was no better than the people I was going out against, I stopped. Why? Because being a hypocrite is a drag to my style. As I said in my last post, if someone wants to start a civil debate/discussion on a band or artist, I'll happily join in if I so please. But both ends of the spectrum need to learn that you can't shove your views into people's chest and call it debating.

Iron Man

January 20th, 2011, 12:53 AM

Oh I'm not denying that. In general, people who tell you that you should like so and so band and people who tell you that you shouldn't like so and so band are annoying pricks. Now, I'm not one for mainstream acts (at least not that many), and I used to be a real uppity son of a bitch about it. However, realizing that I was no better than the people I was going out against, I stopped. Why? Because being a hypocrite is a drag to my style. As I said in my last post, if someone wants to start a civil debate/discussion on a band or artist, I'll happily join in if I so please. But both ends of the spectrum need to learn that you can't shove your views into people's chest and call it debating.

I would join also. And what you previously said about the "Elite" status, and how it fuels the fire, is also basically saying that this is what you have to believe.

Sugaree

January 20th, 2011, 01:17 AM

I would join also. And what you previously said about the "Elite" status, and how it fuels the fire, is also basically saying that this is what you have to believe.

True, but one must also be aware that you may see Billy Joe as a nice guy and someone else finds him to be the scum of the earth. There are numerous people on this board that I find to be unsavory. However, I don't complain because I know that's exactly what they want. You learn to get used to it really and it becomes no big deal.

Peace God

January 20th, 2011, 03:28 AM

This part of the forum is devoid of any intelligent threads. I find it horrible that I have to dig to page 3 to find the Hip Hop thread, one of the last good threads here (kudos to AJ, Tim and Matt) so I can actually explore new genres.
You know something's gone horribly wrong if Justin has to resort to Hip-Hop. :P

I remember the days when the Music section was actually productive — we had epic threads, debates and all sorts of fabulous activities.
:confused: Really?

BOBBY HILL

January 20th, 2011, 07:44 AM

lol you suspect any good music to find on a forum for teenagers

pfffft

Amnesiac

January 20th, 2011, 05:26 PM

You know something's gone horribly wrong if Justin has to resort to Hip-Hop. :P

I have a good friend who's suddenly started listening to 90s hip-hop, so it's spilling over onto me. Shit's good, I must admit.

:confused: Really?

Well, moreso than these days.

lol you suspect any good music to find on a forum for teenagers

pfffft

VTers aren't your average teenagers.

deadpie

January 20th, 2011, 05:31 PM

VTers aren't your average teenagers.

I beg to differ. He's right. Teenagers aren't to have a good expected music taste. I've only met about four people here with a seriously nice taste - other than that it's just mainstream bullshit or entry level stupid metalcore.

Amnesiac

January 20th, 2011, 05:35 PM

I beg to differ. He's right. Teenagers aren't to have a good expected music taste. I've only met about four people here with a seriously nice taste - other than that it's just mainstream bullshit or entry level stupid metalcore.

I'll admit, most of VT's members (read: P101ers) have terrible tastes in music. However, many of us have decent tastes as well, above the average teenager's tastes.

deadpie

January 20th, 2011, 05:39 PM

I'll admit, most of VT's members (read: P101ers) have terrible tastes in music. However, many of us have decent tastes as well, above the average teenager's tastes.

Dadcore doesn't count.

BOBBY HILL

January 20th, 2011, 05:54 PM

Dadcore doesn't count.

What's wrong with dadcore.

Seriously when you have kids don't you want them to enjoy the same music you did when you were a kid?

Although listening to nothing but dad rock and saying "todays music sucks duurhuur" is fucking retarded.

Perseus

January 20th, 2011, 05:58 PM

It comes and goes.

deadpie

January 20th, 2011, 06:00 PM

Although listening to nothing but dad rock and saying "todays music sucks duurhuur" is fucking retarded.

That's pretty much what I'm trying to say. You see those teenagers who listen to three Pink Floyd albums and some Led Zeppelin, claim to know everything about everything and say all recent music sucks.

Or those people that say "I like everything except rap and country" which means you don't like everything and that would be impossible to like everything without listening to everything created by every artist to approve if you really like it; Because John Cage has a piece of music over 100 years long, it would be impossible to listen to every piece of music.

Amnesiac

January 20th, 2011, 06:08 PM

Dadcore doesn't count.

If you say so. I do agree that people who listen to the Beatles and Pink Floyd and then claim to have immeasurably superior tastes in music are about as cancerous as the Biberists, but there's nothing wrong with listening to older music if you don't cast off newer (90s, 2000s) music as shit.

BOBBY HILL

January 20th, 2011, 06:09 PM

That's pretty much what I'm trying to say. You see those teenagers who listen to three Pink Floyd albums and some Led Zeppelin, claim to know everything about everything and say all recent music sucks.

those kids make me cringe so much.

"hey what's you're favorite Pink Floyd song?" "We don't need No Education!"

Amnesiac

January 20th, 2011, 06:13 PM

those kids make me cringe so much.

"hey what's you're favorite Pink Floyd song?" "We don't need No Education!"

"I love Hey Jude!"

"Wow, Time is an amazing song! It's, like, the best Pink Floyd song!"

"AC/DC is the best metal band ever! Their songs are so creative and each one sounds so unique!"

Chris95

January 20th, 2011, 11:38 PM

http://img4.imageshack.us/img4/5696/wowpz.png

Amnesiac

January 20th, 2011, 11:41 PM

Image (http://img4.imageshack.us/img4/5696/wowpz.png)

Then you have the linkin park thread, Ludacris and the Lil Wayne thread.

Chris95

January 20th, 2011, 11:56 PM

Then you have the linkin park thread, Ludacris and the Lil Wayne thread.

Dear God don't get me started on that.

Contra

January 22nd, 2011, 10:38 AM

Then you have the linkin park thread, Ludacris and the Lil Wayne thread.

And the Bruno Mars one, don't forget about that one!

Magus

January 22nd, 2011, 11:15 AM

nothing wrong with listening to older music if you don't cast off newer (90s, 2000s) music as shit.The mainstream music of 90's and 2k0's are shit. The rest are really good, I mean.. really really good - like this one:
Enigma!
Rk_sAHh9s08
And this:
0cRn4utf9Pk

Amnesiac

January 22nd, 2011, 07:17 PM

The mainstream music of 90's and 2k0's are shit. The rest are really good, I mean.. really really good

I know, man. The 90s and 2000s are full of unappreciated, good music. The problem with today's mainstream is that it's capitalized trash. Mainstream music was actually worth something decades ago, but now it's just bullshit. One has to dig down to find the good stuff:

WedRDYmtvX4

iK0soPQXLSM

dricV5ESiVQ

deadpie

January 22nd, 2011, 07:20 PM

One has to dig down to find the good stuff:

Yeah, because Notorious B.I.G and Radiohead are so hard to find and are so obscure.

Are you trolling? I'm not sure if you are.

Amnesiac

January 22nd, 2011, 07:47 PM

Yeah, because Notorious B.I.G and Radiohead are so hard to find and are so obscure.

Are you trolling? I'm not sure if you are.

I meant dig down as in go past Lady Gaga and Bieber. I mean, if you look at America's youth today, that's all they listen to. And Avenged Sevenfold, Slipknot and Paramore. Hell, I know plenty of people who've never even heard of Nirvana, much less The Notorious B.I.G. and Radiohead.

UnknownError

January 22nd, 2011, 07:52 PM

You all sound like all the old people on /b/ moaning about the "cancer" :P

Amnesiac

January 22nd, 2011, 08:01 PM

You all sound like all the old people on /b/ moaning about the "cancer" :P

Well, that's exactly what's happening here. It's the cancer that's killing Music. By the way, you know the rules (and don't give me that "the rules aren't real" stuff, this is VT, we don't want people going there anyway).

Also, I made a diagram. More popular is at the top, less at the bottom. Size of the bar correlates to how many artists are in that section.

http://i958.photobucket.com/albums/ae65/TheDarthEgg/Music.png

deadpie

January 22nd, 2011, 08:10 PM

Also, I made a diagram. More popular is at the top, less at the bottom. Size of the bar correlates to how many artists are in that section.

You forgot entry level.

Amnesiac

January 22nd, 2011, 08:12 PM

You forgot entry level.

Entry level?

deadpie

January 22nd, 2011, 08:13 PM

Entry level?

The music that's not mainstream but not underground either, like just sits in the middle.

Example would be most shitty metalcore and bad techno like dubstep and house.

Amnesiac

January 22nd, 2011, 08:32 PM

The music that's not mainstream but not underground either, like just sits in the middle.

Example would be most shitty metalcore and bad techno like dubstep and house.

http://i958.photobucket.com/albums/ae65/TheDarthEgg/Musicv2.png

deadpie

January 22nd, 2011, 08:44 PM

Image (http://i958.photobucket.com/albums/ae65/TheDarthEgg/Musicv2.png)

Entry level would be above underground. Slipknot and paramore would be considered mainstream by the way.

Amnesiac

January 22nd, 2011, 09:09 PM

Entry level would be above underground. Slipknot and paramore would be considered mainstream by the way.

http://i958.photobucket.com/albums/ae65/TheDarthEgg/Musicv3.png

deadpie

January 22nd, 2011, 09:28 PM

Image (http://i958.photobucket.com/albums/ae65/TheDarthEgg/Musicv3.png)

Lol, now unknown twentieth century would go beneath entry level. Actually, it would be pretty much on the same level with underground.

I like how much this chart is being moved around.

Peace God

January 22nd, 2011, 09:34 PM

I vote to change the definition of "Entry Level"...I think that entry level should apply to the most popular and well known artists of good(or at least decent) genres. Artist/Albums that open you up to a whole bunch of good music... not bands that open you up to dead ends and a piles of shit.

Examples of entry level:

Pink Floyd...Progressive Rock/Psychedelic Rock
Nirvana...Grunge
Tool...Progressive Metal
Madlib, MF DOOM and J Dilla...Underground Hip-Hop
The Doors and Hendrix...Classic Rock

deadpie

January 22nd, 2011, 09:36 PM

Peace God

January 22nd, 2011, 09:42 PM

Sorry dude, but the definition of entry level was already created two years ago by a bunch of people on /mu/. You can't just vote to change it like that.
Mine makes more sense.

deadpie

January 22nd, 2011, 09:44 PM

Mine makes more sense.

Well, there's some good mainstream shit out there too, so why can't you just have a split for modern mainstream? Entry level definition makes allot of sense and it's not going to change.

Amnesiac

January 23rd, 2011, 01:46 AM

Lol, now unknown twentieth century would go beneath entry level. Actually, it would be pretty much on the same level with underground.

I like how much this chart is being moved around.

http://i958.photobucket.com/albums/ae65/TheDarthEgg/Musicv4.png

deadpie

January 23rd, 2011, 01:49 AM

Image (http://i958.photobucket.com/albums/ae65/TheDarthEgg/Musicv4.png)

That one is allot better.

Amnesiac

January 23rd, 2011, 01:56 AM

That one is allot better.

Gracias.

Kahn

January 29th, 2011, 09:34 PM

Amnesiac

January 29th, 2011, 09:42 PM

I love Pink Floyd, and yes my father first introduced me to the likes of Dark Side of the Moon, but I've explored them a lot more thoroughly on my own. Especially after seeing two of their (tribute) band concerts, it's got me more interested in them.

j5mJQGMqJvw

Is a good song. So is Pigs. I think that Animals is their best album, personally. Then Tim introduced me to this, which has absoultely stolen my heart since I like music with more instrumental rather than vocals. I think vocals derives the thought process of the music when you automatically hear the feeling the lyrics give off. When it's only instrumental you have to think about it, and the music becomes whatever you're feeling.

Animals is also my favorite album. It's like a combination of my three favorite things in life: progressive rock, George Orwell and Pink Floyd. Really, the entire album is a masterpiece of sorts. In my opinion, "Dogs" is the best song on the album, but others will disagree.

Of course, Floyd isn't the only good progressive band out there. I've been listening to a lot more Rush lately (2112 ranks among one of the best albums I've ever heard) as well as Porcupine Tree and Phish (if you can call them "progressive"). It saddens me that there's hardly any respect for prog rock here on the Music forum— people who listen to the mainstream shit that's posted here are likely to complain about how long and 'boring' the songs are, even though a good listener will easily detect the depth and amazing instrumentation that's found in progressive rock.

My dad introduced me to Pink Floyd too, back when he got Echoes: The Best of Pink Floyd as a present.

Kahn

January 29th, 2011, 09:52 PM

Animals is also my favorite album. It's like a combination of my three favorite things in life: progressive rock, George Orwell and Pink Floyd. Really, the entire album is a masterpiece of sorts. In my opinion, "Dogs" is the best song on the album, but others will disagree.

Of course, Floyd isn't the only good progressive band out there. I've been listening to a lot more Rush lately (2112 ranks among one of the best albums I've ever heard) as well as Porcupine Tree and Phish (if you can call them "progressive"). It saddens me that there's hardly any respect for prog rock here on the Music forum— people who listen to the mainstream shit that's posted here are likely to complain about how long and 'boring' the songs are, even though a good listener will easily detect the depth and amazing instrumentation that's found in progressive rock.

My dad introduced me to Pink Floyd too, back when he got Echoes: The Best of Pink Floyd as a present.

Don't disregard Olafur Arnalds. He's an extremely good artist, and it's between him and Pink Floyd as the most enjoyable music I listen to.

I like Rush as well, but I haven't listened to them in an extremely long time. I do, however, hate Porcupine Tree.

deadpie

January 29th, 2011, 09:54 PM

Animals is also my favorite album. It's like a combination of my three favorite things in life: progressive rock, George Orwell and Pink Floyd. Really, the entire album is a masterpiece of sorts. In my opinion, "Dogs" is the best song on the album, but others will disagree.

Of course, Floyd isn't the only good progressive band out there. I've been listening to a lot more Rush lately (2112 ranks among one of the best albums I've ever heard) as well as Porcupine Tree and Phish (if you can call them "progressive"). It saddens me that there's hardly any respect for prog rock here on the Music forum— people who listen to the mainstream shit that's posted here are likely to complain about how long and 'boring' the songs are, even though a good listener will easily detect the depth and amazing instrumentation that's found in progressive rock.

My dad introduced me to Pink Floyd too, back when he got Echoes: The Best of Pink Floyd as a present.

>Only comment on music you know

Way to bother the other thing he posted that's better imo.

I do, however, hate Porcupine Tree.

Because you're gay.

Amnesiac

January 30th, 2011, 12:15 AM

Don't disregard Olafur Arnalds. He's an extremely good artist, and it's between him and Pink Floyd as the most enjoyable music I listen to.

I like Rush as well, but I haven't listened to them in an extremely long time. I do, however, hate Porcupine Tree.

Never listened to Arnalds, might give him a try sometime. Also, Porcupine Tree is great, what's so bad about them?

>Only comment on music you know

Way to bother the other thing he posted that's better imo.

I don't feel qualified to comment on music I haven't heard. Yeah, I know Adam posted a song, I'm listening to it now.

Kahn

January 30th, 2011, 02:10 AM

If you'd like to listen to more, here are some of his better songs in my opinion.

7RS2sfLkAqI

XgGbhF9BhIA

IZ46TN7uxwc

Vme_uQTvPzc

I have three of his albums, and if they sold them in stores I would go out and buy all three just because they are that good. They are...

... And They Have Escaped the Weight of Darkness

Eulogy for Evolution

Variations of Static

I'd like to start collecting vinyl records, so I maybe buy this if I have the money: Record (http://www.amazon.com/Eulogy-Evolution-Vinyl-Olafur-Arnalds/dp/B000Y3KF2G/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&s=music&qid=1296371242&sr=1-2).