Global Warming

[Phantom]

Fucking owned

I must say though that global warming is a bunch of bullshit and is just used as a hot button issue to gain support by politicians. Fear vote.

All in all VERY great post I don't think any of the anti nuclear people can even touch it.

[Sapphire]

Fucking owned

I must say though that global warming is a bunch of bullshit and is just used as a hot button issue to gain support by politicians. Fear vote.

What fucking planet are you on??? Global warming is happening. It is also happening at an alarming rate. It isn't to scare us, its to arm us with the knowledge and perhaps the sense to lessen our impact on the environment before all is lost.

[Phantom]

What fucking planet are you on??? Global warming is happening. It is also happening at an alarming rate. It isn't to scare us, its to arm us with the knowledge and perhaps the sense to lessen our impact on the environment before all is lost.
Prove to me that global warming exists. Prove to me that it exists as a result of man. Prove to me that government is a solution. (not so much this one as thats a given laughter scenario)

I am sick of hearing about this scare for global government control of commerce and property rights.

Heres some facts

warmest period of the earth while man has been here was in the middle ages

earth goes through periods of warming and cooling as any high school graduate should know

our distance to the sun DOES vary from time to time

their have been so many other profits of doom. ice age scares, famine scares, warming scares here, "the population bomb"

these scientists make a living by scaring us. The more we are scared of big bad global warming the more government will dump into their pockets.

we have been warming since the last major ice age.

the poles go through some 50 year long periods of cooling and heating... so fuck that whole disappearing polar bears bullshit


No no no its a natural cycle of the earth think about when the ice age ended? There were no cars or any kind of industry.

Its a damn scare tactic by politicians to gains support (AL gore)

I think you like many others are sucked into the whole humans are bad we rape our environment so we are going to die bullshit.

[Sapphire]

I am fully aware that Gobal Warming is a natural process that has happened at various stages throughout the history of the earth. The alarming thing about it this time is the rate at which it is occurring. It is happening a lot faster than in the past. This can be seen by comparing previous records with current measures of temperature etc. Do you not see how cutting down the Amazon rainforest is increasing the amount of CO2 that remains in our atmosphere? Do you not see that by pumping out all the carbon dioxide, sulphur dioxide and methane in to our atmosphere is damaging it? Do you even acknowledge the hole in the O-Zone?

But, having said that you are so deluded that you will deny anything I say and class it as either "fear mongering" or under that technical term you seem to like "bullshit".

[redcar]

u dont think Global Warming is happening? you are so naive.

the greenhouse effect is a good thing because it keeps us nice and warm and safe. however we are experiencing an increase in this effect, this is due to the massive amount of carbon dioxide emmisions and also the reduction in the Ozone layer (Due to Chloroflorocarbons)

now if you believe its a scare tatic and that its not happening all i can say is more fool you.

[Phantom]

No fool you.

The warmest time in human history was in the middle ages.
They did not have cars and all these other "un environmentally friendly" things.

Scientists even admit that they don't fully understand global warming.

Scientists make a living on coming up with this shit, pure and simple.

I am not saying it isn't happening it is because the earth goes through cycles as can be seen from the ice age, but it is nothing to be worried about or the Apocalypse brought on by us evil dirty humans.

Its simply the fear vote or a dumb hot button issue as can be seen by al gore.

[Hyper]

No fool you.

The warmest time in human history was in the middle ages.
They did not have cars and all these other "un environmentally friendly" things.

Scientists even admit that they don't fully understand global warming.

Scientists make a living on coming up with this shit, pure and simple.

I am not saying it isn't happening it is because the earth goes through cycles as can be seen from the ice age, but it is nothing to be worried about or the Apocalypse brought on by us evil dirty humans.

Its simply the fear vote or a dumb hot button issue as can be seen by al gore.


A true show of Phantoms denial :P though in some points he is right but if its not fully understood how can you be sure its not happening faster or stronger than it should be?

[Phantom]

A true show of Phantoms denial :P though in some points he is right but if its not fully understood how can you be sure its not happening faster or stronger than it should be?My denial?
LOL

[Sapphire]

My denial?
LOL

Yes. You are in denial. And the extent of your denial is ridiculous!

[Phantom]

Yes. You are in denial. And the extent of your denial is ridiculous!um no.
Like I said please prove that global warming will be the end of us and we have to immediately stop using fossil fuels and all buy eco friendly cars LOL!

[Sapphire]

What we do now will have a knock on effect. The damage is not obvious or clear untill one looks back in hindsight. I cannot be bothered to argue with one as deep in denial as you. I shall leave you in your bubble of delusion now.

[redcar]

ok here we go. the earths population is increasing at a massive rate, and as we get bigger we have more energy requirements. now where do we get our energy from? for our cars etc. fossil fuels! now what happens when we burn fossil fuels, for the people among us who didnt study science, we get Carbon Dioxide (CO2). now CO2 is a green house gas and that is fine, but we are having an excess amount of CO2 being emmitted and this is causing an excess amount of said gas in our atmosphere, along with the depletion of ozone due to the reaction with the Chlorine molecule (Cl2), we are causing an increase in the greenhouse effect, thus increasing the temperature and there we have global warming.

[Phantom]

What we do now will have a knock on effect. The damage is not obvious or clear untill one looks back in hindsight. I cannot be bothered to argue with one as deep in denial as you. I shall leave you in your bubble of delusion now. Yes just blow me off instead of debating.
You can't you have no counter argument whatsoever to the facts I have shown you.

ok here we go. the earths population is increasing at a massive rate, and as we get bigger we have more energy requirements. now where do we get our energy from? for our cars etc. fossil fuels! now what happens when we burn fossil fuels, for the people among us who didnt study science, we get Carbon Dioxide (CO2). now CO2 is a green house gas and that is fine, but we are having an excess amount of CO2 being emmitted and this is causing an excess amount of said gas in our atmosphere, along with the depletion of ozone due to the reaction with the Chlorine molecule (Cl2), we are causing an increase in the greenhouse effect, thus increasing the temperature and there we have global warming.
Now you tell me why the ice age stopped even though we didn't have any of these things? I will tell you why its natural cycle of the earth.

Why were the middle ages also the warmest period for humans?

Earth goes through periods of warming and cooling that is a FACT

[redcar]

Now you tell me why the ice age stopped even though we didn't have any of these things? I will tell you why its natural cycle of the earth.

Why were the middle ages also the warmest period for humans?

Earth goes through periods of warming and cooling that is a FACT

absolutly correct there are cycles and the earth goes through them, but you are not taking into account that the earth is having a very big increase in CO2 emmisions from burning fossil fuels and the systematic destruction of the ozone layer. that has never happened before. so add it to the "cycles" we are fucking ourselves over.

[Sapphire]

Yes just blow me off instead of debating.
You can't you have no counter argument whatsoever to the facts I have shown you.

What facts have you shown me? The fact that similar cycles have occurred before? I knew this before. I agreed that it is true. I also backed up my viewpoint by say that the figures show global warming is happening at a more rapid rate. And that this increase is down to the CFCs etc that we pump into the atmosphere.

And btw your grammar is appaling. Did people neglect to tell you that using double negatives is poor english?

[Phantom]

You do know that the ozone layer is replenished every time there is a lighting strike? Which is only every .005 seconds.

We are not "fucking ourselves over"

The poles go through some 50 year long periods of cooling and heating

Our distance to the sun DOES vary from time to time

The fact of the matter is that global warming is no where near as dangerous as scientists and politicians say it is, not even close

[redcar]

that is bullshit, if that were the case then we would have an excess amount of ozone, and then we would be totally fucked because as i am sure you well know Ozone (O3) is poisonous gas.

now i know what i am talking about when i say that the ozone layer is being depleted by free radicals such as Bromine and Chlorine, with the aid of ultraviolet, destroy the ozone molecules. i have six years of Chemistry under me, i know what i am talking about, do you what you are talking about?

[Phantom]

Ozone (O3) is made by shining ultraviolet light of around 240 nm wavelength
on oxygen molecules (O2), which split into single oxygen atoms, which each
join an O2 molecule to make an O3 molecule. There is no shortage of
ultraviolet radiation or O2 high up in the atmosphere, so O3 is being made
continuously. It is also continually being broken up into O2 + O1 by
ultraviolet light of wavelength in the range 240-320 nm, and recombining
into O3. ozone is continually produced in the upper
atmosphere. Ozone is a compound with a chemical formula of O3. When light
from the sun strikes oxygen molecules, O2, it breaks up into two oxygen
atoms, 2 O. Each of these oxygen atoms may find other oxygen molecules and
combine to give ozone. O + O2 = O3.

Yes I do know what I am talking about.
And its not "bullshit"
if the ozone didn't replenish itself we would all be dead.

After the next ten years the ozone is expected to slowly come back over a few decades. So right there down goes your stupid end of the world global warming fear tactic political garbage shit right there.

One last thing WHY THE FUCK ARE WE DEBATING THIS IN THE PATRIOTISM THREAD!!!
I request a mod move all this global warming AND nuke crap to separate threads along with all of the responses.
Thank you

[Whisper]

erugh...bored now





guys its at the point where we have to split this topic into THREE seperate threads....I'd do it now....but i'm not sure how...

Is there ANY chance of us actually returning to the original discussion? Because allot of the recent posts haven't even been debating just throwing childish insults
this is a debate not a fight defeat you oponent with facts and knolege
not insults and bickering

[Phantom]

its really not heated. We are debating with facts.

And YES please split these topics up I want to debate patriotism some more.

[redcar]

okie dokie i'll move these all latter cause i am off shopping soon and have to have a cup of tea etc to wake me up.

but before i go, Phantom, i dont know if its just me being in university and i am obsessed with it now because i have to be, but where did you get that info on Ozone from? i am obsessed with referencing!

but if i were to continue that article it would prob say something like "although there are plenty of oxygen molecules the problem is they are spending moere time as O2 molecules rather than O3 molecules due to forming compounds with other elements such as Bromine and Chlorine"

[*Dissident*]

just to add something here, the middle ages actually experienced a bout of cooler weather, causing mass famine and leading to the black plague.

[Phantom]

just to add something here, the middle ages actually experienced a bout of cooler weather, causing mass famine and leading to the black plague.um hello on what world does cold cause famine? Heat causes famine because it dries up all the water and kills crops.
The black plague has nothing to do with this, it was spread by fleas.
Please get your facts straight.

[Whisper]

okay i'm not sure bout the plauge part might be true but i dont think so...not sure

the cold killing crops well....I live in Alberta
trust me
thats true

[0=]

The Black Death wasn't bubonic plague, that spreads far too slowly, go do some research on it, it's still infecting people in Africa.

[Sapphire]

um hello on what world does cold cause famine? Heat causes famine because it dries up all the water and kills crops.
The black plague has nothing to do with this, it was spread by fleas.
Please get your facts straight.

Any extreme in temperature can cause famine. Surely you (someone who claims to be so knowledgeable about everything) can understand that excessive snow or frost or the such like will have an adverse effect on vegetation. It is common sense.

[Phantom]

Any extreme in temperature can cause famine. Surely you (someone who claims to be so knowledgeable about everything) can understand that excessive snow or frost or the such like will have an adverse effect on vegetation. It is common sense.Cold does not dry up water now does it. Also its not cold all year round, crops do not need that much heat to grow successfully.
And no I don't claim to know everything thats just another dumb remark by you that has no backing.

[Whisper]

Phantom popo
both of you STOP IT NOW!

I will NOT warn you again
and i will NOT let this thread be ruined by sensless fighting
use facts not bickery

[0=]

My argument was that cold does destroy crops. See The Nuclear Issue for my answer to global warming.

[Makod]

Well, we can't prove global warming is happening for a specific reason, there are inclinations though. All you need for proof that something is happening is to go outside, we still haven't hit the freezing point ONCE this winter in Mass. The weather has been extremely warm for this time of year, last week we were mostly in the 50s and 60s.



Offtopic: I notice the PS3 (thank you popo's sig) is getting owned hard.

[Elscire]

the united government had banned CFC's.
teh only problem we face today is burning fossil fuels which is the main cause to global warming.

[xTheLordsServantx]

I think Global Warming is a problem that we have gotten ourselves into and its a shame. But I dont think we should stress about it because God can do anything, including fix all of our problems, but we have to trust in Him. We will never be able to get rid of the countless terrors of this world, but to solve this problem, we need faith.

[Bankai15]

global warming is something that is true. But it is not something to go freaking nuts over. Al Gore for a prime example is out of his mind thinking that the world is coming to a end. {drugs are bad m'kay} so lets fix it now and we wont haft to worry about it later. {freedom fighter out}

[0=]

God isn't gonna do shit to help the environment. I'm willing to bet you $1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 on that one.

[Elscire]

I think Global Warming is a problem that we have gotten ourselves into and its a shame. But I dont think we should stress about it because God can do anything, including fix all of our problems, but we have to trust in Him. We will never be able to get rid of the countless terrors of this world, but to solve this problem, we need faith.

by him you surely don't mean the dumb president bush

[Phantom]

by him you surely don't mean the dumb president bushLOL! :lol:

[cmpcmp]

First off I'm not ignorant, and I'm not will fully blind either. There are a couple things that we know to be true.
-in the recent past (relational to the history of the earths climate) 100 years the earth's surface temperature has warmed, by around 1 (f*) or a little more.
-There is such thing as the greenhouse effect and it keeps the earth at a livable temperature
-increased greenhouse gases ---> increased absorption of the suns heat,higher temperatures.
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Now there are a lot of things to think about,
-How many factors are there on the earths surface temperature?
*well there are thousands, may of which are understood very little, and they all play a part in what the temperature ends up being. Inherently some have a greater effect than others.
-Does the temperature of the earth change "naturally"
*yes, we have had ice ages, a medieval warming period, and basically everything in between
-Does "man" effect temperature?
*yes greenhouse gases, changing the materials that the sun hits when it gets to earth... many more.
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Humans do increase the temperature of the earth, but they are not the only thing that changes it, they are far from it, and not only that, but greenhouse gases aren't the only way that humans change it, Ever heard of "urban heat islands"? look it up.
http://eetd.lbl.gov/HeatIsland/LEARN/

and the whole idea of "changing the temperature" would imply that the temperate before would stay the same unless other wise changed, but no one who knows what they are talking about at all would agree with that as the temperature of the earth has changed, and often drastically over time
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another thing that must be considered is the "state of fear" effect that the media has on every thing relating to fear that sells add time or papers or w/e.
-If the audience thinks that what is on effects them (fear) they will buy/watch it.
-It has happened countless times with many things that have been blown way out of proportion like:
--Y2k, according to wikipedia "The total cost of the work done in preparation for Y2K was $US 300 billion." thats a lot of money for not a lot of actual problem.
--KILLER BEES!!!, at one time a major news story "The Africanized bee is widely feared by the public, a reaction that has been amplified by sensationalist movies and some of the media reports. Since their introduction to the United States there have been 14 deaths from Africanized bees over the several year period, which makes them less hazardous than venomous snakes." 14 people total, thats less than die by that lethal hands of vending machines (look it up if you don't believe) (wait a minute, vending machines don't even have hands!)
-so on and so on, even one as I write this, the threat of terrorism.

this state of fear blows every thing way out of proportion.
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just curious, DO you know what the largest (most influential on temperature) green house gas is? water vapor (look it up)

Some Scientists say that last years big US hurricanes were caused by, well just guess.
http://news.softpedia.com/news/Global-Warming-Seems-to-Be-Responsible-to-the-Increase-in-Intensity-and-Strength-of-the-Hurricanes-37124.shtml
but there weren't any big US hurricanes this year, does that mean global warming is on the fall? or does it only work one way? is that fair?

So, how long has the earth been in this warming trend? well don't tell that to Time who fell in to the "cooling" hype 30 years ago, no joke see for yourself (can u say fear?)
http://denisdutton.com/cooling_world.htm
http://newsbusters.org/node/6546

And on the subject of Computer models of warming, what BS.
I have looked at the predictions and they range from 2-6 degrees over the next 50ish years years or more, so isn't 200% a huge margin of error? and IF they can't tell me what the weather will be like in a month how can they tell me what it will be like in a century?
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MY position is NOT that the temperature hasn't increased or that we aren't effecting it, it is that we don't know what effect we are having on it, we don't know if the increase is being caused natural (think medieval warming period) the public is largely in FEAR (disproportionately) (think Al gore) and frankly we really don't know.

IMO its not worth throwing billions of dollars to the wind (errr.. temperature of the wind?) with so many uncertainties and hype, when it could be WAY better spend trying to find cures for diseases, helping impoverished nations like Africa, or social security and national debt.

[Bankai15]

All political pepol are crooks and they are all 2 faced I dont support any at the moment:yes: :yes:

[cmpcmp]

Every single one of them? U don't really believe that do you?

[Bankai15]

Give me a example:P

[Whisper]

I think Global Warming is a problem that we have gotten ourselves into and its a shame. But I dont think we should stress about it because God can do anything, including fix all of our problems, but we have to trust in Him. We will never be able to get rid of the countless terrors of this world, but to solve this problem, we need faith.

your fucking pathedic
having faith is one thing thats okay
but sitting on your ass and ignoring a HUGE problem that faces all of humanity and saying its okay if we belive in god he will magically fix our fuck ups

first of all he dosent exist so he isnt gonna help nvm fix it

second of all we made this mess we can clean it up even if he did exist which he dosent he hasent helped befor we handled the Nazi's by ourselves, were handling dieses by ourselves, the quest for peace and scientific advancement and exploration

we dont need your imaginary friends help


Global warming is a HUGE problem
we'll fix it
thats the NUMBER ONE issue in Canada right now
we were pissed at the liberals cause they wernt actually keeping to kyoto and were pissed at harper cause hes not doing enough

global warming is literally topeling and changing goverments in Canada
in every first world country its becoming a HUGE issue
our generation is PISSED and we want it fixed
I have "faith" in humanity
I have "faith" in myself
We WILL fix it

[Bankai15]

What the hell is your problem I was not talking about global warming I meant give me an example of a good politician. I know global warming is a problem.:mad:

[Phantom]

God SURE helps us thats for sure!!!
I mean look at the Holocaust!!!
Look at all the natural disasters!!!
Look at 9/11!!
Look at all these wars!!
Look at darfur!!
Look at Bosnia!!
Look at the whole fucking continent of Africa!!

[redcar]

ok i dont think we need to go down the whole "God doesnt exist" and "He's just an imaginary friend" road, cause that will just get... nasty.

but LordsServant, i am a Catholic, and i have a strong faith, but God wont solve our problems, because they are that, our problems.

[Phantom]

Oops! http://www.greencampus.harvard.edu/cerp/faq.php

fucking hypocrites. DOWN WITH POLLUTING CORPORATIONS!!! (while their holding an Ipod)

So for all you down with polluting humans dumbasses kindly smash your computer into pieces and dispose of your car and lawn mower.

[JJJ]

Global warmings hapenin we cant ignore it. Even if God exists he wont fix it coz its are falut we got are selves into the mess and he wont get us out. Just beleving a miricle will hapen aint goin to work we need to do sumthin about it.

[Rogue 4]

God SURE helps us thats for sure!!!
I mean look at the Holocaust!!!
Look at all the natural disasters!!!
Look at 9/11!!
Look at all these wars!!
Look at darfur!!
Look at Bosnia!!
Look at the whole fucking continent of Africa!!

. . . And then look at the USA. The last super power (yes, russia no longer is one) remaining in the world -- a country with freedom, democracy, healthcare, great resources, intelligent people (not the most intelligent, but doing better than Bosnia, I bet) -- which was founded on religion and the belief in one almighty God (You'll recall that everything from our judicial system to our Constitution reflects this belief, and that the founding fathers were mostly religious men). Hmmmmm, we turned out pretty well compared to the rest of the world. :|

If you're going to suggest that faith hasn't helped anything, I'm entitled to suggest that it's the reason we have what we do. Does it offend you?

[Rogue 4]

Double post, but it's a completely different topic from the last post, so it's somewhat justifiable. On the topic of global warming, plenty could be done, but we're not willing to make the sacrifices. So, in accordance with human nature, it won't be done. We'll take small steps, to convince ourselves that something is being done where it really isn't, instead. A 10% reduction in emissions is a good example, as it sounds like so much to so many people, but is actually akin to throwing a dime at a bulldozer to stop it. Hey, don't get me wrong, the bulldozer is slowed down by the inertial weight of one whole dime, though!

On the bright side, this likely won't be the end of humanity, so sit back and react accordinly to whatever comes your way. It's how we fulfill our predictable destiny -- no need to break the system.

Let me give you the following scenario:



The small percentage of the Earth that reads this post knows that we will just carry on, like we always do, but the majority of the Earth's population does not, therefore, being somewhat predictable cannot be averted.

Humanity as a whole makes some small step to quell global warming (emissions reduction, anyone?), but it contiunues anyway.

Global warming reaches a height, but isn't as apocalyptic as many people (Gore) predicted (hey, everyone needs a way to get attention, a cause to stand for). Many people die from various climate effects, but the world isn't unliveable. We'd have to do much worse . . .

We adapt accordingly to whatever the circumstances require and move on.



Here's how it is. We are unlikely to make massive global changes as we haven't already. Just go with it.

Anyone want to question me?

[0=]

Yeah, do you have anything to back up your claim that it wont be disastrous?

[Rogue 4]

Yeah, do you have anything to back up your claim that it wont be disastrous?

If that was directed at me, I have plenty of examples where mankind has cried doomsday and it hasn't come to pass.

It used to be that a solar eclipse was a bad omen, but did that omen ever pass? I'm sure a few people tripped over something while it was dark, though.

During the cold war, everyone was sure it was going to end in complete annihilation, that we would nuke ourselves into oblivion. Or at least, the media was . . .

Let's not forget being told that all fossil fuels would be used up early into the new millennium.

Speaking of 2000, how about that Y2K "Virus" (not a virus in any way, but for some reason, people like to call it that)?

How about Bush and WMDs in Iraq?

Hey, the Mayans say the world will end in 2016!



. . . clearly it's human nature to grandstand, to want attention, or to exaggerate. Everyone, Gore included, will strive to further their pet cause. People like their issue of choice to be the most important one.

Global warming certainly appears to be happening, don't get me wrong, but it lends as much of itself to human nature as any other issue.

Human beings lack the ability to perfectly predict the future. We either overestimate or underestimate the effects of a future event. Now, since Gore is suggesting a catastrophe on the level of everything short of complete extinction, it's obviously overestimation. Besides, it helps him champion his pet cause even more if it looks more serious, so why not blow it out of proportion?

Furthermore, even if he was right, you all should sit back and enjoy the show. Why? Human nature, of course. Let me explain.

Why do you think people applaud Gore and friends when they are presented with the APOCALYPSE!? Because it represents an issue they alone can do nothing to stop, and furthermore, Gore never presents a strategy to fix the problem, at least not one that hurts our way of life. The best you'll get from him is reducing emissions, and not by enough to make any difference. We love to be told that there is a massive problem, and that all we have to do is glare at factory owners and automobile manufacturers until they cut back their emissions. It doesn't have any huge direct impact on our lives (the fixing part), and it effectively is our problem but isn't our problem to fix. It satisfies that same urge people have to criticize their leadership when they didn't even participate in the election. And so, we will go on living, for the most part, as we always have.

According to human nature, we will adapt accordingly, and do what we must, but only when it's crunch time, unless it pleases us in some way to do it sooner. That means that as the problem gets worse, we will cut back more and more drastically, and eventually an equilibrium will be achieved. With 95% accuracy, the human race will exist for at least about 5000 more years, so we're not ALL going to die in Gore's planet warming. So the best advice I can give you is sit back and watch what I've told you of happen.

Now, it's late, and if there's some bad grammar, or bad examples, I'd be happy to come back and clarify. 'Later.

[0=]

Yes, people are incredibly stupid in that sense, nobody gives a fuck until it's a disaster. New Orleans anyone?

[Aηdy]

This is a very intresting topic, I enjoyed reading all of it!

It just so happens that I'm learing about global warming in Sciance calss right now.

global warming is a serious threat, by 2020 there will be an estimated increase of about 2.5 Degress Celcuis, and by 2050 5 Degrees Celcius. That doesn't seem like much but it is a huge difference as far as global warming is concerned. Whole countries will be flooded forever, and its our generation thats going to see it all happen, do you wan't to leave your kids with a world that is messed up?

recently i have learnt about deforestation of forests, the mass cutting down of trees means that less carbon dioxide is being used by the trees, so this also contributes to global warming.

global warming is real, its going to cause MEGA damage if we dont do anything about it now. If we dont act serously within the next few years, we're fucked.

[0=]

Ahem, nobody seems to have heard that using hemp for paper can save 4 billion trees a year.

[Rogue 4]

This is a very intresting topic, I enjoyed reading all of it!

It just so happens that I'm learing about global warming in Sciance calss right now.

global warming is a serious threat, by 2020 there will be an estimated increase of about 2.5 Degress Celcuis, and by 2050 5 Degrees Celcius. That doesn't seem like much but it is a huge difference as far as global warming is concerned. Whole countries will be flooded forever, and its our generation thats going to see it all happen, do you wan't to leave your kids with a world that is messed up?

recently i have learnt about deforestation of forests, the mass cutting down of trees means that less carbon dioxide is being used by the trees, so this also contributes to global warming.

global warming is real, its going to cause MEGA damage if we dont do anything about it now. If we dont act serously within the next few years, we're fucked.

Ahem, nobody seems to have heard that using hemp for paper can save 4 billion trees a year.

For both posts, we actually grow more trees every year than we cut down. It wasn't always that way, but it is that way now. As hard as it is to believe, forest space in the US is currently increasing, not decreasing. If anyone is in doubt I'll find you an article later. I'm lazy about links.

Anyway, trees aren't the problem, and short of flat-out halting the emission of greenhouse gases, we won't see a large difference. So, it's gonna happen. Or, rather, it's going to continue until it become an unavoidable problem that MUST be attended to, rather than a public concern.

[Maverick]

Oops! http://www.greencampus.harvard.edu/cerp/faq.php

fucking hypocrites. DOWN WITH POLLUTING CORPORATIONS!!! (while their holding an Ipod)

So for all you down with polluting humans dumbasses kindly smash your computer into pieces and dispose of your car and lawn mower.
I agree. I think when people express how they want this problem fixed they seem to want other people to do it and make the sacrifices but God forbid they change their habits.

People will only make changes only when they actually see they need or are forced to make changes. It's human nature.

[theonetheycallbob]

global warming is just another thing that happens that everyone freaks out about. 1 thing to remember, science is alway changing. This theroy may be proven false tommorow. sure there are signs that it is happening all around us (not really but im gonna be nice to all the people that seem to think so) but science IS always changing. Just remember tht.

[0=]

Yes a massive chunk of Antarctica melting can be proven to be a result of something other than global warming. Also, deforestation is occurring in the rain forest in order to farm things such as coffee. You can help this problem by purchasing any organic Fair Trade coffee or Rainforest Alliance coffee. Trees remove carbon dioxide, but decaying plant material produces it.

[fdsgfg55465]

i believe global warming is real and it will ruin the earth just hopefully not in our lifetimes

[Mannequin]

Fact: 10/12 of the past years have had the highest average temp. recorded world wide.

[cmpcmp]

global warming is a serious threat, by 2020 there will be an estimated increase of about 2.5 Degress Celcuis, and by 2050 5 Degrees Celcius. That doesn't seem like much but it is a huge difference as far as global warming is concerned. Whole countries will be flooded forever, and its our generation thats going to see it all happen, do you wan't to leave your kids with a world that is messed up?
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ok 2.5 degrees celcius is the highest that i have heard of for 2020, but is there any way to verify if that is true or not?

basically ur trying to tell me that in 43 years the earth will be 12 degrees warmer on average? that does not seem right at all considering that the most estimates that I have seen put it way lower than that like.....
http://www.zmag.org/content/showarticle.cfm?SectionID=56&ItemID=11928
(3C hotter by 2100)
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more interesting comparisons, temperature average vs. carbon emissions
http://www.noaanews.noaa.gov/stories2007/images/usa-temps-1895-2006b.jpg
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Carbon_History_and_Flux-2.png
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:Global_co2_emissions_graph.png

call me crazy, but the average temperature dropped from 1955-1980, while the carbon emissions increased. What caused that drop in temperature? Dare i say something natural and unrelated to carbon emissions?

[Maverick]

I think global warming is a hoax. It's not even scientifically proven. People seem to just quickly believe the next big problem like Y2k. Years ago we were supposed to be headed for an Ice Age/global cooling so what happened? There weren't any major hurricanes for 2006 that falsely predicted the worst year yet. I'll need some proof before I really believe it. Tell me properly what the weather is going to be in a week before you predict the next 10-20 years based off a computer model and speculation.

[Underground_Network]

Actually it is proven in the east coast of the U.S. Temperatures have dramatically increased and we have had (except for lake-effect) very little snow. Numerous high temperature records have been broken, but almost no low temperature records have come even close to being broken. It is scientifically proven that pollutants are fucking up are Earth. It may not be global warming... Maybe it's World Temperature Rising, or Earth Heating

[Bankai15]

UH.... have you heard of the huge snowstorm that was and still is flying across the U.S.

[Underground_Network]

Yes, but still we have nowhere near as much snow as we've gotten in the past and to us eastcoasters this storm didn't effect us much, one day off from school is rather common around here because they love to waste snow days especially when it hasn't snowed until this late into the year. Referring to that storm as a nor'easter is a joke. It shouldn't even be categorized as a snow storm. It was so fucking warm in my hometown today it almost scared me. Global warming exists... It's not a fucking hoax, it doesn't mean the immediate destruction of the earth, its a process that takes time. It probably will only claim a few million lives during our lifetime, don't worry. It is proven, go to any unbiased science website and they will prove in simple words, that yes, even a monkey can understand, that global warming does exist and that we're all screwed! (Some may say it will not effect us much, but they willl say it exists.) Can you scientifically prove that global warming does not exist? I think not!

[boredkidallthetime!]

Fucking owned

I must say though that global warming is a bunch of bullshit

You know what i totally agree with you because there are tons of scientists who say its real and not real and i think its not real, if it was real how come here in Illinois there is about 6 to 12 inches of snow, OH NO!!! Its global freezing:eek: so why would global warming be real if we have that much snow!

[Underground_Network]

Global warming is not effecting us that much yet. It will in the future, its basically like the heat is gathering, but cannot penetrate the ozone yet and is not effecting us yet, but once we over pollute and it finally overheats the ozone will be gone and we'll be unprotected from direct heat from the sun, so technically the name is misleading, we're facing warming, but we're just not feeling it yet, it's sort of like a delayed reaction, but once the ozone is worn away temps will sky rocket... So for all of you who don't believe in global warming, it may not seem like it exists now, but you'll know of it in the future (presuming your still alive) This seems like the stupidest thing to debate. It's real, you just can't tell in some places. Trust me i know, i'm in the state of pollution (most factories or something like that in the U.S.), i'm in the heartland of pollution, it's gonna get fucked up here before it gets fucked up in Illinois.

EDIT: There is also the greenhouse effect, in which the pollutants are keeping the heat in are atmosphere (or whatever) and are not letting the heat out, thus letting the heat become stronger. There is a simple experiment to prove this, i forget what it is, but if you search the greenhouse effect on a search engine (like google) you might find it.

[boredkidallthetime!]

How come no one agrees on this subject of Global Warming

[Maverick]

Because global warming isn't scientifically proven and some people aren't quick to believe "the next big problem" and aren't influenced by people who just want their cause fought rather than finding the actual proof.

[Underground_Network]

Still can someone please scientifically disprove this theory? There are plenty of theories that can be disproved. But a) this isn't a theory and b) the fact that it exists has more actual facts behind it than the fact that it doesn't. It exists, does anyone here live in south america (altough i doubt) they can explain to you how fucked up and real global warming is, its getting warmer and warmer by the equator because of global warming and its like summer all year round in some places that aren't even that close to the equator. Snowfall is rare normally there, but now its even rarer except for at highlands like mountains. This may be a little off factually, but it's mostly true.

[Maverick]

This may be a little off factuallyThat's the reason why I don't like to debate with you.

[Underground_Network]

Can you just prove that global warming is a hoax using facts? Not just your own opinion.

[Underground_Network]

Ok, I really would prefer not to double post, but I have some important information on the topic of global warming. I read in a book written by a scientist that global warming, a scientifically proven process, that has occurred numerous times in the past, runs in cycles, and this was predicted by numerous ancient civilizations. Scientists have also linked storms on the sun to global warming, say the more tumultuous the storms on the sun, the hotter it gets here. Global warming is a slow process that can take hundreds or even thousands of years, and humans are not the main reason for it, humans weren't around to cause global warming back during the ice age. Its actually the sun and solar activity that takes 30% of the blame, and the Earth itself also deserves a majority of the blame. The Earth is like the human body, when it grows cold, it heats up, of course it doesn't have a brain, but its a natural process, like cellular respiration and photosynthesis. Global warming has occurred in the past (otherwise we'd still be in the ice age) and we are still below average temperature. We are still below pre-Toba temperatures (or average temperatures for Earth). So global warming is actually reheating the Earth, so it won't grow so warm that we'll all die, but it will reach 100 degrees more often, and it won't be as cold in the winter, but that doesn't mean it still won't hit below zero, it just means the average temperature will heighten. YOU CANNOT NOTICE GLOBAL WARMING, YOU WOULD HAVE TO REMEMBER WHAT IT FELT LIKE DECADES AGO TO REALIZE THE CHANGES, THESE ARE SLOW CHANGES THAT ARE NEAR IMPOSSIBLE TO NOTICE UNTIL A FEW DECADES HAVE PASSED. It is not effecting us too badly, and it shouldn't, its a proven process, its just that people are overexaggerating, they're making it seemed like we're all doomed, but its just a natural process. THERE'S NOTHING TO BE WORRIED ABOUT, BUT IT DOES EXIST, IT'S JUST NOT AS BAD AS PEOPLE SAY IT IS! :)

[Hyper]

Global warming is a fact, the world goes in cycles affected by chemicals that end up in the air by natural disasters, and of course activty in the earth's core has some effect and so does the human race.. And we are accelerating it..

[Underground_Network]

Global warming is a fact, the world goes in cycles affected by chemicals that end up in the aid by natural disasters, and of course activty in the earth's core has some effect and so does the human race.. And we are accelerating it..

QFT! EXACTLY! (BTW, humans account for 1% of global warming :P)

[Hyper]

1% is enough to cause drastic changes in a surten area and affect the way we live our lives

[Underground_Network]

I know, I just thought I'd bring up that number, showing we are accountable, but not as much as other things. I'm not saying we don't have a huge impact on this, because we do. I just thought I'd like to show people that we are not the main cause, we are a cause, but we are one of numerous causes, and this is a process that has occurred before cars, and all the shit we have now.

[Hyper]

Hmm I haven't realy done any research on this so I can't say anything very smart anymore, that is factual xD :P

[Octo22]

QFT! EXACTLY! (BTW, humans account for 1% of global warming :P)

I'm pretty sure either A) That fact is made up, or that it means humans as in our bodies.

Everytime you fart, some meth(something er other) is released that is toxic to the ozone.

So it probably ment our bodies, trust me cars are not 1% they're obliterating!

[Underground_Network]

According to a book I'm reading, written by a scientist who studies global warming as well as other things that are negatively effecting society, he said humans (this includes everything used by humans, including cars) account for no more than 3% of global warming, and I read somewhere else that humans, as well as things like cars and factories account for under 1% of global warming, so while the the numbers are not exactly the same, they give you the idea, that even cars and factories do not do as much as damage as you think. Don't forget, there are no cars or factories on top of mountains that are having their ice caps melted, and a lot of societies near those locations are unindustrialized, lacking cars and factories, their form of transportation is walking or cycling, and they probably rely on alternative energy for light and heat.
Also, don't forget 1% is an extreme amount, us adding this 1% is enough to make global warming up to 10 times worse, so don't think 1% is nothing.

[MoveAlong]

I don't know what's happening, but weird weather has been goin on in Arizona and I don't like it. Whatever's happening, something's happening.

And it couldn't hurt to use alternate forms of recycling, energy or fuel :|

[Underground_Network]

They said on the news it could be warmer in Vermont than it is in Virginia within a decade or so.

[Octo22]

According to a book I'm reading, written by a scientist who studies global warming as well as other things that are negatively effecting society,


Name of book and scientist?

[Underground_Network]

Its not just about that, its called Apocalypse 2012, the guy wrote it is, I believe a researcher named Lawrence E. Joseph, and there are various quotes from scientists, and he studied global warming, as well as several other things, for the study of the world's end. He works with scientists, as a matter of fact, whether he truly is defined as a scientist I am unaware. I know the information I have stated is true, because not all of it came directly from him, the book is non-fiction, and this guy isn't lying about anything, although he does add humor to the aspect of dying.