The Nuclear Issue

[0=]

We should all destroy our nukes.

[Whisper]

No we shouldnt
North koreas got them now
china has them
india
russia
etc...
fuck that I want america to keep as many of them as it can
even if all the countries were to say they destroyed them it would then only take one country to secretly build just a handful and goodbye western civalization
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Okay I read it
i still think its a load of crap
hyper I'd defend north america as a whole
I wouldn't allow an enemy to gain a beach head on North American soil PERIOD...yes even Mexico

http://www.canadianembassy.org/ca/canus-en.asp (http://www.canadianembassy.org/ca/canus-en.asp)

but like i said
its a load of crap
that wont happen

[Sapphire]

BLIND PATRIOTISM is a bad thing, as can be seen in Nazi Germany, they all thought they were patriots and loved their country.

they didnt think they were patriots. they actually were patriots

Now Patriotism by itself is good.
Its not just fighting over little spots of land, its fighting for freedom (in US and many other country's cases) its fighting for what your country stands for freedom, justice, everything good we have and all our rights.
You and others seem to think that our freedom and rights that we have in this country are free o but let me tell you something they are far from it. thousands if not millions of good men that loved their country made us this way. I think that my rights and freedoms ARE worth protecting.
You can't protest the government in NK now can you.

What do you think would happen if everybody was unpatriotic?
Well nobody would join the military to protect us and we would be invaded right away and killed.

If EVERYONE was unpatriotic then why would we invade each other? We would merely be neighbours, cohabiting this planet, speaking different languages, worshipping different gods. We would not think "we are better than them so we can and will invade and steal land, resources etc"

Now I am joining the military when I turn 18 and it really pisses me off that some people think that its a waste protecting your country and its freedoms.
Or that call our troops that protect us baby killers or any number of other things.

Fact: civilians die in wars. Fact: soldiers (likely from both sides) will be guilty of this. Fact: No matter what a government does it is not justifiable to kill civilians in the course of war.

I KNOW that our freedoms and rights are worth protecting. That is why I am patriotic. If you are unpatriotic you basically think that our rights and freedoms are givens which they definitely are not.
You can't go to north Korea and say Dear leader (actually title) I want my freedoms as a human being and my rights, now I think your government sucks are you are a dumb fascist. Well needless to say you would be dead in 2 seconds. Yet in US and other country's you can say that all you want without fear, now I think THAT is worth protecting and is why I love my country and am patriotic.

Just because I am not patriotic does not mean I am not grateful for my freedom. It merely means that I do not ADORE my country or feel bound to die for her.

I agree with Popo. All the nukes should be destroyed and any instructions on how to create them should be burned!

[Hyper]

No we shouldnt
North koreas got them now
china has them
india
russia
etc...
fuck that I want america to keep as many of them as it can
even if all the countries were to say they destroyed them it would then only take one country to secretly build just a handful and goodbye western civalization
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Okay I read it
i still think its a load of crap
hyper I'd defend north america as a whole
I wouldn't allow an enemy to gain a beach head on North American soil PERIOD...yes even Mexico

http://www.canadianembassy.org/ca/canus-en.asp (http://www.canadianembassy.org/ca/canus-en.asp)

but like i said
its a load of crap
that wont happen


So tell me is there any proof N.Korea has them.. No, nothing besides their own words. And tell me how is America so perfect? America has enough nukes to blow the entire planet up a few hundred times or more

[Whisper]

America confirmed it
China confirmed it
Japan confirmed it
and a TON of other countries
all performing there own independant investigation

they all agree a nuke went off
if thats not enough proof for you
then your beyond help and I really dont care what you think


Oh ya burn the paper that'll stop'em!
its NOT going to happen
NOBODY is going to disarm ALL of there nukes
allot of countries are down scaling there arsenal
america included hell you dont have the peacekeeper anymore
that thing was sweeeet

Nuclear advancement should not be stopped
it can do allot of good for humanity
clean source of energy
i can almost garuntee you its going to be used in space exploration
used on millitary ships and submarines as a clean source of energy rather then burning up tens of thousands of gallons of fosil fuels

and the bombs themselves
are what prevented a full scale war between the old USSR and the USA
Neither dared to attack because of M.A.D
it kept the peace

saying you want them all destroyed and the papers on how to make them burned is incompitent
that will NEVER work with the current state of the united states millitary, chinas millitary etc... it would be easy to reopen the nuclear program
they would make great strides at alarming rates
thats like a contestant at a beauty pagent saying I want world peace is just gonna make it BOOM happen
I like the fact that america has nukes
because it means that theres no way in hell china, russia, north korea, iran, etc... are going to attack
and I know sure as fuck Japan is happy about it to

you cant stop wars by taking away bombs
so what you get rid of nukes
lets pretend for the sake of the argument that thats possible (its not)
then the Chemical and Biological weapons would be used
and they'd be faaaar more harmfull
because unlike a nuke that wipes out a large area granted but not an entire country
chemical and espically biological weapons can spread everywhere like wildfire and once they mutate can be extremly hard to control or stop
imagine the black plauge cept a thousand times more potient
ravaging an entire country
people dying extremly slow and painful deaths

if you take away guns they use swords
If you take away swords they use sticks and stones
you cant stop a war by taking away the weapons
the only way to stop wars and try and maintain peace is through taking with the people who have there finger on the trigger
negotiations
diplomacy
and when push comes to shove like in the Cold War M.A.D
Mutually Assured Destruction


god guys were like waaaaay off topic again
do you want me to just split it into two topics?


I herd on the news today that Harper is allowing Quebec to become a nation WITHIN a united Canada
because quebec seperatists (traitors) want quebec to become its own country
independant from canada
yet they want us to still take care of them
anyway this PISSED ducep (seperatist party leader) RIGHT off which I though was just AWESOME he wants it changed to quebec is a nation that is currently within canada
word play I know
but it means a completly diffrent thing that could have dramatic effects latter down the road

I hate the Bloc party
and I honest to god would like to see them thrown in jail for trying to rip my country apart

http://www.davidsanger.com/images/quebec/5-750-37.flag.y.jpg

[Hyper]

Hmm when the United States tested their nukes, I do not remember everything specificly but it was after WW2 where they did some nuclear tests in a bloody damn.. W/e I dont remember where but the ppl who were nearby ( Sailors ) later had all forms of cancerns some became unfertile and so on, the blast in Ukraine even spread here over 5000 km.. Anyway the cold war is much more complicated... And the point isnt who has 'balls' and your list of countries is absurd just look at that list and use your brain

[Whisper]

Hmm when the United States tested their nukes, I do not remember everything specificly but it was after WW2 where they did some nuclear tests in a bloody damn.. W/e I dont remember where but the ppl who were nearby ( Sailors ) later had all forms of cancerns some became unfertile and so on, the blast in Ukraine even spread here over 5000 km.. Anyway the cold war is much more complicated... And the point isnt who has 'balls' and your list of countries is absurd just look at that list and use your brain
Bahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha...-breaths-..hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
Dude!...seriously!
everything i've stated i've got facts for
either off wikipedia or canadian government sites
and your counter argument is
"ummm i think that this uhhh happened but uhh i cant remember where but uhhh your an ass use your brain"

Dude.....wtf?

man actually do some homework, learn a few things and get atleast some solid facts
once you've done that than alrighty BRING IT!
till then
leave the debating to the big boys

[redcar]

i think you are right Cody this could be split into a second topic.

but yea on the whole Nuclear issue, its such a sticky situation. a lot of good can come from it, clean energy etc. etc. but then there is the problem with the whole wat do you do with whats left when its been used. (i say that because Britain have a Nuclear Power Plant on their west coast, Sellafield, which is on the Irish sea, and because of their incomptetence with disposing of the waste, we the Irish can boast that we have the most radioactive sea in the world, so yea thats fun)

now with the whole nuclear weapons issue, i dont like them and i think they need to be gone, even Americas, actually esspecially Americas. America still have that whole "we need to protect the world, and we are in charge" jazz going on. but yea nuclear weapons are very powerful and the human race is, collectively, not the smartest, humans having the ability to destroy the world is like giving a 5 year old a loaded gun to play with, its stupidity.

so with the whole nuclear issue its sort of a Catch 22 situation.

[0=]

Um hello, you don't need nukes to make a reactor.

[Whisper]

no you dont I never said you did
I was stating what nuclear power can do in a wide range of areas

inorder to create a BASIC nuclear power plant you need roughly 5% refinment
they dont give out a huge amount of power but they do work
for a nuclear bomb you need like 90sum % refinment
for heavy reactors you need it to be highly refined and it creates a tremendus amount of power
but like i said
that was just a simple example

But if you have a nuclear power plant
you can make nuclear bombs
I know you can
cause America takes the waste from allot of its reactors and turns them into bombs
so inorder to get rid of nukes youd have to destroy all the information on paper every computer and server every floppy and CD etc...
then youd have to either kill or imprison every scientist that had anything to do with it weither they worked at a plant or they built bombs

and even then
it would be easy for a larger country like india or china to make a few
theyd only need a few to bring america and its allies to there knees

You don't solve this by getting rid of it all
by pretending nuclear energy dosent exist
you solve it through negotiations, education, understanding, tollerance, negotiations through institutions like the United Nations
and if necessary through the most basic instinct imbedded in the core of every human being
survival
aka M.A.D


Saying we should just destroy all the nukes
Is not the answer


America having nuclear deterants is in all our best intrests
because we are all from western countries
and if another world war were to break out
we'd all be effected
from America, the UK, Japan, Canada, Denmark, Ireland
everywhere


It has takin ALONG time for humanity to enjoy the peace it has now
ALLOT of people have died
allot of blood has been spilled
DRAMATICALLY altering the balance of power on an international level
is not in the best interests of maintaining peace

[Sapphire]

OMG you lot know nothing. What do you think happens to the nuclear waste? That it just disappears never to harm another living being? Such bullshit. The use of nuclear power is limited because the is no way of getting rid of it. They tried putting it in huge landfills. That didn't work. So they tried putting it in the sea. That didn't work and when leakages occured we got mutant fish or fish with cancer! The Hiroshima bomb in WW2 had drastic effects on the inhabitants of Japan. Some today are still being born with deformities as a result!

No matter what way you look at it nuclear power and nuclear bombs are not the way to go. I appreciate that the fact that so many countries have enough nukes to blow the planet up a few times over. I also appreciate the fact that this may inadvertantly prevent countries with half a brain from using them in war. But, some countries may not think like that. I believe (quite firmly) that war has become too impersonal and easy. If you wanted to conquer a country then you would have to actually drive a sword through their army's bodies. Now its got to the point where you can kill thousands of people just by pushing a button on the other side of the world! How can this be good for human kind?

And how can you say that humanity is eanjoying peace? There has been an estimated 30 minutes worldwide peace since 1945! The war is still happening in Iraq and Afgah. How can you claim that humanity is enjoying peace right now?

[Hyper]

Bahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha...-breaths-..hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
Dude!...seriously!
everything i've stated i've got facts for
either off wikipedia or canadian government sites
and your counter argument is
"ummm i think that this uhhh happened but uhh i cant remember where but uhhh your an ass use your brain"

Dude.....wtf?

man actually do some homework, learn a few things and get atleast some solid facts
once you've done that than alrighty BRING IT!
till then
leave the debating to the big boys



Yes that post indeed makes you look very mature and a 'big boy' and if you live next to the country and dont know about its history too bad then here are some intresting links, if you consider that debating

http://nuclearweaponarchive.org/Usa/Tests/index.html

And the 'somthing' that I couldnt umm uhh ahh remember
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pacific_Proving_Grounds
It doesnt speak of the health problems the ppl involved in there were but it does give a relevant picture

[redcar]

It doesnt speak of the health problems the ppl involved in there were but it does give a relevant picture

there are health issues associated with nearly everything. mineing fucks up your lungs etc. etc., granted what happens with nuclear materials can be more adverse, still health issues with everything.

there would be no need to dramatically alter the blance of power because that just happens automatically, look at the start of the last century, Britain was the super power. the good old saying the sun never sets on the British Empire. they controlled vast parts of the world, now they dont. its fair to say America is currently the only super power really at the moment since the collapse of the Soviet Union, but its not going to be long before the likes of China become a super power and America will cease to hold that title.

(haha this has gone so off topic, but it doesnt really help that i have a habit of going off on massive tangents!!)

[Hyper]

Yes but the only way they controlled huge areas outside britain was realy psychological they controlled India with 100 000 soldiers.. But yes there are health issues but I consider Nuclear health issues bigger than the rest.. And yes nuclear technology can bring good things but it can also lead nowhere

[redcar]

it could be psycological what the world is doing to North Korea. everyone is saying if they play around with their weapons they will be sorry, how do we know that they will act on this threat? how Britain controlled India or anywhere else is totally irrelevant, the fact is they controlled it. its like if you win by a few metres or a few miles, winning is winning.


And yes nuclear technology can bring good things but it can also lead nowhere

i could say the same thing about a car.

[Hyper]

Lol I think weve strayed off topic

[Whisper]

hmm wow DECADES ago nuclear bombs were tested by various countries all around the globe
I know all about the tests
Russia...okay the USSR technically tested the largest bomb
...fuckin Russians

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/5b/Ivan_bomb.png
This was the test site for the largest nuclear bomb ever detonated by humans
the initial shock wave blew out hundreds of windows in Finland the atmospheric blast wave caused damage up to 1,000km away the heat could have caused 3rd degree burns at 100km the seismic shock circles the globe three times
America thinks it was a 51 mega ton yield but the USSR was adamant it was 100mega tons (the design could support up to that). For a few nanoseconds it equaled 1% of the suns energy output
By comparison the largest Nuclear detonation ever tested by America was 15 mega tons
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/0/0a/TB0063.jpg
Tsar bomb mushroom cloud

I realize I have just given you allot of information supporting your NUCLEAR THING-A-MA-JIGS ARE BAD!!! Theory but here me out
That granted was a dark day in humanities history
And it did cause catastrophic damage the likes of which humanity has never and hopefully will never again unleash.
But the test also had political side effects that effected every nuclear power….It scared the shit outta them
And because of that a charter was signed banning any future full scale nuclear tests
Any and all tests after that were strictly done in supercomputer simulations

It was actually because of that test that a charter was signed banning any further nuclear testing


Humanity explored the splitting of the atom
A glorious benchmark in humanities history that had severe and unintentional consequences
BUT we learned from them! And we grew as a species. Other inventions such as vehicles, air conditioners and even paper have done FAR more damage to the environment.
Clicky (http://www.apple.com/trailers/paramount_classics/aninconvenienttruth/trailer/)

Nuclear energy is the cleanest and most environmentally friendly power source we have ever discovered
It WILL be what allows us to travel into space and visit other planets in our solar system because it’s the only thing we have right now that stands a chance in hell of doing it

Nuclear bombs aren’t going to disappear
you can yell your lil heads off at me all you want
Its not gonna happen
and I would rather global superiority stayed in the West
were ALL from western civilizations
It was because of the nukes that a war between democracy and communism never happened
if all we had was conventional weapons we'd have gonna all at it
but both sides had and still have nukes
we all know there power
and as such
neither side has done more then bluff

I say we keep them
we've had them this long
and even if we do dismantle all the nukes (which by the way is psychotically expensive countries like Russia could never afford it)
What do you think we should do with the now unshielded highly refined weapons grade plutonium that’s now allot easier for it to be stolen or taken by a hostile country or a terrorist organization

September 11th shock the west to its very core
imagine if instead of 2 commercial planes
they had a tiny little briefcase
and inside the briefcase was a mobile nuke (we have the technology to build those now)
there would be NOTHING left of New York
it would be a giant crater

There safer where they are
in highly secret locations
deep underground in highly secured bunkers



America wont fall Alex
Not in our life time
or even that of our children
If China keeps at it like this
yes in a decade er less it will be a superpower
but that doesn’t mean America will fall
The USSR and America AND the British Empire were around and the all lasted until a SEVERE war in which conventional weapons were used caused great strain in the United Kingdom
It was almost lost

If America does fall
I assure you it wont be in peace time
like you said Alex when America sneezes the world gets a cold
Imagine how badly effected Ireland would be if America the leader of western civilization and democracy collapsed?
The United Kingdoms in no position to fill that gap
It would probly be hurt SEVERLY if America fell
Canada would cease to exist
my countries got a rather symbiotic relationship with America

As for the remake that we aren’t living in peace
do me a favor and open up a history book
I’m not trying to be condescending
I mean it
open one up and look through it
you'll notice that compared to humanities history
we ARE at peace
its not perfect
not yet
but its better then it ever has been

MILLIONS of people have died brining it this far
don't spit on it
Freedom isn’t free


Imagine a few powerful reactors
running off of weapons grade plutonium placed throughout Africa
In a VERY short time the entire continent could have access to a long term, green and abundant eneregy source

If industrialized countries were to switch to using reactors over coal burning or fosil fuels greenhouse gas emmesions would be DRASTICALLY cut
In 2006, a UK government advisory panel, The Sustainable Development Commission, concluded that if the UK's existing nuclear capacity were doubled, it would provide an 8% decrease in total UK CO2 emissions by 2035. This can be compared to the country's goal to reduce greenhouse gas emissions by 60 % by 2050.

Even dams cause more damage by flooding hundreds of miles of the ecysystem
putting entire forests underwater

Solar power
and wind power are FUCKING BRILLIANT
but alas there not strong enough
they dont put out enough power inorder to supply our energy needs
inorder for it to be viable HUGE areas of land would have to be just covered with them
causeing damage
and costing billions


Now
to the next person thats gonna yell at me
ya you....hello
how are you
good
thats good
make your argument a good one
i've spent allot of time typing this and being lashed at in a quick 2 sentence post is just insulting

thanks darlin

~xXx~

[Sapphire]

Hi, I'm fine. I hope you are too.

What do you propose happens to the radioactive waste then? The problem with nuclear power is that the waste is not easily destroyed or safely disposed of. In England some of our radioactive waste was put into landfills in Scotland. But they filled up. Then where were we to put it all? We tried dumping it in the North Sea, but the fish got cancer and became mutated.
The german government have for a while been supplying subsides for those who install solar panels on their roofs. This allows them to generate some of their own energy just by having a few panels on their roof. Granted that it doesn't always supply all of their energy needed, but every little helps.

And why may I ask did you get info off wikipedia concerning the UK? The USA have no constraints as to CO2 emissons. If anyone should look at using alternatives then it is them. They put into the air much more than we do!

I hope this meets your rather snooty requirements of being longer than two sentences and being a good argument.

[0=]

They already have a canister design that is leakproof and is in use today. It can withstand a direct hit from a locomotive at full speed. You simply have to find a deep, abandoned mine and stash the waste there.

[Whisper]

They already have a canister design that is leakproof and is in use today. It can withstand a direct hit from a locomotive at full speed. You simply have to find a deep, abandoned mine and stash the waste there.

EXACTLY!

Do you know where Americas nuclear waste is? DEEEEEEEP underneath a VERY large mountian sealed
Just because the United Kingdom failed in proper disposal dosent mean its all bad
By the way the UK now has huge containers made of solid steel 3 feet thick that it uses to transport nuclear waste
the containers themselves way well over 50tons

I mean jesus your like well in germenty a few houses have a couple solar panels on then that helps....ya it does but it dosent do NEARLY enough basically its just to make you feel less guilty thats like ordering a big mac and a diet coke
The majority and by majority i mean ALLOT of the power still comes from coal, fosil fuels, dams that flood hundreds of miles of habitat etc....
Then theres the rising levels of respiratory conditions related to polution
Hole in the ozone
Global warming thats causing earths weather patterns to destabalize
creating more severe storms like Katrina the SEVERE heat wave, etc...

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/e/e0/Greenhouse_Gas_by_Sector.png/646px-Greenhouse_Gas_by_Sector.png

wow 21.3% of allll greenhouse gas emissions are soley from power stations
Thats more then transportation (cars)


To talk about global warming
screaming at other members
and then turn around and say that the cleanest source of power we have
the source that can create more power then conventinal means, for longer periods and less emmisions
is wrong and bad
its okay to keep with standard means because a few houses have a few solar panels!

....wtf?

and to answer your question the reason I used the United Kingdom is because they had just finnished doing an extensive study on it
I'm sorry if you think your country isnt good enough nor smart enough to make acurate predictions

[0=]

Much of the methane is released by the cows raised to feed you, stop eating cows, you lower the methane level considerably, I'm not sure about the NOx. If we get off of coal power completely, we can push back the negative effects of global warming many years, possibly long enough to finish the development of fusion. It is already within our means to produce power using nuclear fusion, it is simply too expensive, if the government would fund fusion rather than war then it would become affordable, thus providing infinite energy due to the massive quantities of hydrogen. A fusion plant could be entirely self-sustaining by diverting some of the energy to electrolosiys to produce more hydrogen. In fact, with this infinite energy, you would be able to produce enough hydrogen to run our cars, boats, abnd aircraft off of hydrogen with only minor changes to internal combustion engines. Hydrogen releases very few pollutants campared to petroleum products when burned because it is very pure, and since it burns at a higher temperature you could go further on less hydrogen, combine this with hybrid technology and 200 mpg is easily achieveable. The only waste product from the fusion of hydrogen is helium, which could easily be collected and later fused into a heavier element, and/or used in balloons and blimps.

[Melchi0r]

The invention of the atomic bomb (Albert Einstein's one mistake) and other nuclear weapons were bad things to happen to the world. While there are nukes there can never be true peace, while even while countries are at peace, a disagreement could break out and the fact that there are nukes makes it extremely tense.

[Whisper]

The invention of the atomic bomb (Albert Einstein's one mistake) and other nuclear weapons were bad things to happen to the world. While there are nukes there can never be true peace, while even while countries are at peace, a disagreement could break out and the fact that there are nukes makes it extremely tense.

Your wrong
the invention was anything but a mistake what happened was not his fault to blaim it on him is ludacris
The nuclear bombs are providing peace what do you think the chances of the USSR invading America would have been without them?

Nuclear energy is extremly clean
Every electronic device emits low levels of radiation
medical devices like Xrays MRI's CT's emmit high levels of radiation
Radiation therapy is used in fighting cancer
radioactive isotopes are used in testing (the Koo-laid)

Radiation and nuclear reactions are what power our sun
and every single star
scientists even belive that at the earths core theres a natural occouring reactor thats keeping earths EM feild strong

Saying that this scientis commited a horrible act is like saying an ancient chinese scientst who invented gun powder was a horrible man
because without it we wouldnt have guns or cannons

or whoever invented the ability to forge metal and created the first sword

nuclear energy is a WONDERFUL thing
Nuclear deturants ARE what has prevented WWIII

Your all severly brainwashed
you hate and fear what you dont understand
its sad

[Sapphire]

How can the invention of nuclear bombs be a good thing? The same goes for missiles, guns, rockets, torpedoes and such arms that have made the killing of one or hundreds or thousands of people by pressing a button or pulling a trigger. War is now far too impersonal. Thousands can die because one person pushed one button. It is so disgusting that we have got to this point.

[Whisper]

no though I do find your....innocence refreshing
This is bound to happen with tecnological advancements we are able to save millions hell billions it has allowed us to become the dominant species on this planet
that same rocket tecnology has allowed us to leave our world
to begin exploration of the stars
That same nuclear tecnology has allowed us to develop radiation sheilds for use in medical labratorsy, hospitals, spcae craft, nuclear power plants it has allowed us to develop cancer fighting treatments, extremly vital and effective instruments to test patients
That same gun powder was invented for fireworks, thats what it was used for in ancient china

what you dont seem to grasp is ANY invention can be used as a weapon
I could kill you with a fork
like seriously
What can be used to create, can also destroy
this is fundamental fact of reality
which path is chosen depends on the weilder

You have so little faith in your fellow man
your species as a whole
Humanity has made mistakes but we also have created many wonders

As for your disgust towards war
I agree it is not something to be takin lightly
nor should nuclear weapons be used
in ALL of humanitys history only two have been
Your English
From Britian your entire land was forged in the fires of war
From Roman ocupation, the saxxons, rival tribes, the irish, the scottish, the french, communists, nazis, etc.........

Was it not worth it?
Is the United Kingdom not a strong and free country?

Evil prevails when great men refuse to act
war is part of being human
we fight for what we belive in
we fight to protect those we love
we fight for our freedom
We fight for our children

I would NEVER have it any other way

Nuclear energy is a wonderful thing
it was a wonderful invention that has the potental of saving millions
slowing global warming, providing abundant energy, saving millions through medical advancements, and providing the consistat and large amounts of energy required for humanity to travel the stars

As for your motion that war is impersonal
you cannot possibly be more wrong
war can never be impersonal EVER
the fact that your sitting here screaming it is shows how little you know
and how young at heart you really are
you dont understand


As for this debate you've gone from ripping my face off with the whole NUCLEAR THINGYS ARE BAD!!!!!!!!! to saying every single weapon ever invented is a horrible thing and that it never should have happened and that we should all have just always lived in freedoma dn peace and dammit i want my unicorn!

dosent work like that
so either get back to debating about nuclear energy as a whole and actually SHOW ME FACTS to prove your theory that everything to do with it is horrible and no good has ever or will ever come of it
I have given you facts repetedly throughout my argument
you havent given me ANYTHING but opinions

[JJJ]

Countries make nukes to feel important. I say everyone sholud destroy them and not make no mor but the chances of that hapening are nil.

[Hyper]

Ohh lol I forgot to post ages ago

But look at the list of countries who confirmed it :P

Japan
China
USA

[theonetheycallbob]

okay, first of all we would NEVER get every country to destroy nukes. North Korea for example would be like yeah okay, and then burry them all until everyone else's are gone and then they would go on a destroy the world rampage. Whether this makes since or not, Nukes hold the world together. With out them we would be fine but now that they exist everyone knows their place and thats just the way it is. No if's and's or but's. (No offense to any one but its the truth)

[0=]

Sadly it will remain that way until we have plasma cannons orbiting the Earth, then those will be the new nukes.

[fdsgfg55465]

i think USA is the most likely country to use nukes i mean we already used them twice, i think everyone should get rid of them or the world will fall to a nuclear society

[Bankai15]

We will not use nuclear bombs unless we are forced to and it would have to be a very big threat if we would even concider fireing a nuclear projectile.
And we should never have to use them at all unless a nuke was shot at us.

[DimShady]

We should all destroy our nukes.



As much as I hate the U.S., that would be suicide. We would be invaded in a second.

[DimShady]

We will not use nuclear bombs unless we are forced to and it would have to be a very big threat if we would even concider fireing a nuclear projectile.
And we should never have to use them at all unless a nuke was shot at us.

1953: U.S. overthrows Prime Minister Mossadeq of Iran.
U.S. installs Shah as dictator.


1954: U.S. overthrows democratically-elected President Arbenz of Guatemala.
200,000 civillians killed.


1963: U.S. backs assasination of South Vietnamese President Diem.


1963-1975: American military kills 4 million people in Southeast Asia.


1973: U.S. stages coup in Chile. Democratically-elected President Salvador Allende assasinated. Dictatator Augusto Pinochet installed, 5,000 Chileans murdered.

1977: U.S. backs military rulers of El Salvedor. 70,000 Salvadorans and four American nuns killed.

1980's: U.S. trains Osama Bin Laden and fellow terrorists to kill Soviets. CIA gives them $3 billion.

1981: Reagan administration trainds and funds "contras." 30,000 Nicaraguans die.

1982: U.S. provides billions in aid to Saddam Hussein for weapons to kill Iranians.

1983: White House gives Iran weapons to kill Iraqis.

1989: CIA agent Manuel Noreiga (also serving as President of Panama) disobeys orders from Washington. U.S. invades Panama and removes Noriega. 3,000 Panamanian civillian causalties.

1990: Iraq invades Kuwait with weapons from U.S.

1991: U.S. enters Iraq. Bush reinstates dictator of Kuwait.

1998: Clinton bombs "weapons factory" in Sudan. Factory turns out to be making Aspirin.

1991 to present: American planes bomb Iraq on a daily basis. U.N. estimates 500,000 Iraqi children die from bombing and sanctions.

2000-01: U.S. gives Taliban-ruled Afghanistan $245 million in "aid."

Sept. 11, 2001: Osama bin Laden uses his CIA training to murder 3,000 people.


Tell me exactly how we where "forced" to do that, dipshit.

[Hyper]

See it exactly works like the events describe it, the US doesnt invade to save people, it invades and interfiers for its OWN benefit. They dont give a shit about their 'principals' anyway.. Your claim is retarded.. If anoyone would attack the US theyd have to deal with a great military power.. And the fact that US is defended by their geography.