Smoking...

[ThatScience]

Is there anyone out there who would be more inclined to date someone if they were a smoker?
Personally I can't think of anything which is more of a deal-breaker... I'd rather date a man than a woman that smokes...:yes:

[XxHaViiK]

Well, I wouldn't date a dude, but... If the girl was a smoker that was hygenic, then it probably wouldn't bother me. But smoke cigs and don't brush her for three days, then nooooooooo.

[Fourth Dimension]

well for me i have no room to talk because i smoke

[Skeptical Bear]

I would probably be disgusting. Depending how long they have been smoking and if they're really hygenic like XxHaViik said.

[Wicked_Syn]

Nope wouldn't date anyone who smokes......though I smoke probably once every few weeks. Weed not cigs...Guess i'm a hypocrite haha.

[Number02]

It honestly wouldn't bother me.

Hygeine doesn't come into it - that's a prerequisite regardless of whether they smoke or not.

[VerizoniPhone]

Not at all I have enough smokers in the house

[steve1234]

Although I hate smoking, and I will never do it, it wouldn't really bother me if I was dating a smoker, as long as they're not smoking ALL the time!

[Fact]

I could never date a smoker. I'd also be inclined to break up with someone I was with if they started smoking.

[Jenna.]

I could never date a smoker. I'd also be inclined to break up with someone I was with if they started smoking.

This. Smoking is such a turn off to me.

[Malcolm Tucker]

I've started smoking, and my reasons behind starting are justified. That being said, I have no problem dating someone who smokes. It's no indication of anyone's personality and that's what the relationship (in my eyes) should be founded on.

[Tristin.]

smoking i think is too pressured against these days, more people die due to drink than smoking anyway. iv tried smoking, coughed my guts up and never again lol others i know smoke, doesnt bother me at all. if i dated someone, if they smoked or not is a petty reason to say yes or no. personaly i would niggle at me, but not enought to say "im not dating you chimeny mouth"

[Perseus]

Fuck no. It's tacky to be smelling like smoke. God, I hate that small. Smokers annoy me.

[Apparitions]

I'm the same as Symone (cool name btw!). I really wouldn't want to go out with a smoker. If you want to smoke then whatever, but you'll die early (as the Sex Ed man who came to my school todays said so bluntly). The thought of kissing a smoker isn't a nice one to me.

[ThatScience]

I've started smoking, and my reasons behind starting are justified.

Go on then... Justify them...

Personally I can't think of any good reason to start smoking... Not one.

[Daniel_]

Smoking is disgusting. I don't care how attractive the person is, the minute they put a cigarette in their mouth and puff it, they are just nasty.

[Skatergirl]

I could not date a smoker. It would annoy me so bad. When you kiss them it's like kissing a chimney, as I've heard. lol

[Mzor203]

Yea I could never date a smoker... it's absolutely disgusting and it's a death wish. If you can't go to lengths to treat your body correctly, then you're not really someone I want to be with.

As I grow older and wiser I'm actually starting to get over the whole thing where I feel weed is the most terrible thing in the world, but smoking is different in that it is plain disgusting and has lasting consequences so yea.

[ikhasgkfjh]

Smoking is a major turn off for me. My parents are smoker, and I absolutely hate it. Secondhand smokes sux.

[Andrew0017]

I can't stand smoking. It's one of my biggest turn off's...it's tacky and disgusting. (Right up there next to tattoos and piercings in my opinion.) Gross.

[Jess]

I will not date ANYONE that smokes

[Ryhanna]

I could never date anyone who smokes. Honestly, that's probably the one habit I just cannot look the other way at. It is a major turn off.

If they gave up smoking, I'd consider dating them, but if they touch a cigarette again the relationship would be over.

[Number02]

Go on then... Justify them...

Personally I can't think of any good reason to start smoking... Not one.

Simples. We know the alleged consequences, and decide that we like doing it, and we're gonna do it anyway.

[ThatScience]

Simples. We know the alleged consequences, and decide that we like doing it, and we're gonna do it anyway.

What's so good about it?
Why do you like it?
Is it really so good that you would risk your health doing it?:confused:

[The Madness.]

What's so good about it?
Why do you like it?
Is it really so good that you would risk your health doing it?:confused:

It's addictive. Lots of people want to stop but the nicotine makes them addicted.


But no, I don't care at all if a person smokes or not, it's their choice, as long as they don't feel I need to smoke. I'd date them either way.

[Modus Operandi]

I couldn't do it. It's a pretty fucking disgusting habit to be honest.

[Sage]

Smoking makes you cool, and I only date cool people, so obviously I have no problem with smoking.

[Number02]

What's so good about it?
Why do you like it?
Is it really so good that you would risk your health doing it?:confused:

It's a comfort. I find it enjoyable, and sociable, in a lot of contexts. I look forward to my next cigarette because I have the peace and quiet to collect my thoughts.

As for 'risking your health', you're in no more danger than being in a car crash or contracting a disease. I know the effects, more than your average joe, and I'm still choosing to do it, because of the reasons stated above.

I'm gonna die ANYWAY, why should I deny myself something that I enjoy doing?

[Sova]

I have no room to criticise, as I'm a smoker.
But if I did, and I still didn't smoke, it wouldn't bother me. I've been in a relationship with someone who smoke while I hadn't even tried it, they didn't CONSTANTLY reek of it so I didn't care in the slightest.

[Syvelocin]

Hmm, interesting to read these posts :P

As long as the person in question actually takes care of themself, you don't notice it all that much. The only time my husband has noticed anything is if I've just had a smoke and haven't gotten around to brushing my teeth yet.

We don't always constantly reek of it. It's when the smoker doesn't pay attention to that sort of thing. I'm very cautious of that just because of my mum's influence on me. She's a smoker, but with kids around the house she is just so clean and careful about it.

Is it really so good that you would risk your health doing it?:confused:

Hmm. Well, at least for me, smoking won't kill me as quickly as the combination of my depression and immunodeficiency will. Just saying :P It won't be lung cancer or anything like that which will kill me. Unless I get hit by a car tomorrow. But... yeah XD

Other than the health stuff, I think you guys are weird :P I don't know, on the right people, I think it's sexy XD

Answer: I don't care if you're an alcoholic, a smoker, a druggie, or you have a death wish. Everyone needs love, and they need it more obviously :/

[Malcolm Tucker]

Go on then... Justify them...

Personally I can't think of any good reason to start smoking... Not one.

it stops me from cutting myself. Mmkay?

[Hastro]

Yeah. One of my ex's dumped me because of smoking.

[Quahog]

It's a really nasty dirty habit. People say it's hard to quit. But it's so unhealthy.

[Charleigh]

Lol. Well I smoke, so it doesnt bother me if he smokes or not.
Although, for a non-smoker it must be pretty grim pulling an astray.

[FullyAlive]

I wouldn't mind so long as it isn't constant.
As others have said I think it's sexy.

[Fact]

Other than the health stuff, I think you guys are weird :P I don't know, on the right people, I think it's sexy XD

I don't find one thing sexy about a person putting a stick in their mouth that fucking stinks and makes me choke. Nor do I understand why anyone else would think it's sexy. How is it sexy?


it stops me from cutting myself. Mmkay?

If that was true, then you'd only do one or the other, which I suspect isn't the case.

[baby_doll_24]

dude ive smoke to much in my short life my thc level is like 95 i bet haha

[Bluesman]

I agree with you... I wouldnt even be able to kiss her! It's just disgusting...

[BIBoii15]

I would not mind at all as in matter in fact i would prob be more attracted to them. i luvvv the smell of dat itz amazing 4 meee but i respect ur opinion like i want yah 2 respect mine as well :P

[Malcolm Tucker]

If that was true, then you'd only do one or the other, which I suspect isn't the case.

orly? If I didn't have cigarettes then I wouldn't have made it as far as I did. And I know that for a fact. It's not just a simple one or the other thing. Oh wait, it is. FOR ME. I tried a cigarette when I was also holding my blade, ready to cut, and I didn't cut. And I've only tried it for a month. So if it keeps me from cutting, fine. I'll smoke. Big deal. It's my choice, my life, and frankly the pain I go through with cutting and everything else is far worse for me than smoking in my eyes. Even if I didn't smoke, I'm still likely to be affected by it in later life so what difference does it make? None.

It has stopped me from cutting so far, that's the main thing.

[ThatScience]

...smoking won't kill me as quickly as the combination of my depression and immunodeficiency will...

it stops me from cutting myself. Mmkay?

Oh... Now this thread makes me feel sad and selfish... :( :cry2:

[Kiss]

I would never date anyone that smoked, it's sick and disgusting, to me.

[Charleigh]

Personally I can't think of any good reason to start smoking... Not one.
1) I needed something to calm me down
2) Because I wanted to start.
Does that count?

[Number02]

I would never date anyone that smoked, it's sick and disgusting, to me.

I know yeah. Makes that Fritzl fella look like Big Bird in comparison...

[Fact]

It has stopped me from cutting so far, that's the main thing.

There will most likely come a point where you're addicted to both. Then what? Drugs stop you smoking that stop you cutting?

[Malcolm Tucker]

Oh... Now this thread makes me feel sad and selfish... :( :cry2:

Don't!!! Look, IMO I don't approve people taking up smoking because it's cool or because they want to fit in. That seems off. But for me, there is nothing worse than the pain of self-harm. I wouldn't wish my mental problems on anyone. A close friend to me, who has similar problems, took up smoking because it really helped calm them around the time of anxiety attacks, and when they get the urge to SH. So I tried it. And it worked. I don't see a problem with people smoking so long as its justified like.

I know yeah. Makes that Fritzl fella look like Big Bird in comparison...

Excuse me, but think about that for a second. Don't you dare liken us to being worse than Josef Fritzl, just because we smoke. That's not only blown out of proportion, it's extremely insulting.

There will most likely come a point where you're addicted to both. Then what? Drugs stop you smoking that stop you cutting?

Thanks for the vote of confidence. Insinuating that I'm on the path to drugs is not only horribly wrong but out of line. To me, most things aren't as bad as cutting. Drugs and alcohol aren't in that list. I'm trying to make it to when I finish school. I've beaten cutting before, for near 400 days. I am capable of doing it. I know that. So far, since January 8th, I've gone through half a standard pack.

If I had a choice, right now between smoking until June, and cutting until June, I'd pick the former. Nothing is worse in my eyes than cutting myself.

But hey, that's just me, not popular opinion.

[Fact]

Thanks for the vote of confidence. Insinuating that I'm on the path to drugs is not only horribly wrong but out of line. To me, most things aren't as bad as cutting. Drugs and alcohol aren't in that list. I'm trying to make it to when I finish school. I've beaten cutting before, for near 400 days. I am capable of doing it. I know that. So far, since January 8th, I've gone through half a standard pack.

If I had a choice, right now between smoking until June, and cutting until June, I'd pick the former. Nothing is worse in my eyes than cutting myself.

But hey, that's just me, not popular opinion.

I don't have confidence in your character if you'll substitute cutting for smoking, when you can abstain cut for over a year. I don't see why start smoking to solve cutting. Yes you've said you feel nothing can be worse than cutting, but I just see it as substituting one addition for another, both of which destroy your body and mental health.

[Malcolm Tucker]

I don't have confidence in your character if you'll substitute cutting for smoking, when you can abstain cut for over a year. I don't see why start smoking to solve cutting. Yes you've said you feel nothing can be worse than cutting, but I just see it as substituting one addition for another, both of which destroy your body and mental health.

I fail to see how smoking is destroying my mental health.

And that was then. Excuse the melodrama but my life and my mental status is a lot worse than back then, when I quit for over a year. Things are worse now, especially in school.

Would you rather me cut myself on a daily basis, so I will stop smoking?

[Fact]

I fail to see how smoking is destroying my mental health.

When you come to the point that you're addicted, your personality changes when you can't have one, equally as much as when you do have one.


Would you rather me cut myself on a daily basis, so I will stop smoking?

As you are asking, if it was left to me, yes.

[Malcolm Tucker]

When you come to the point that you're addicted, your personality changes when you can't have one, equally as much as when you do have one.

I haven't seen that in my parents, who both smoke for years, and I've been on very uncomfortable 12+ hour flights with them. Or in any of my friends who smoke, who can't have one.

As you are asking, if it was left to me, yes.

All due respect, I'm very glad it's not your decision.

[Fact]

I haven't seen that in my parents, who both smoke for years, and I've been on very uncomfortable 12+ hour flights with them. Or in any of my friends who smoke, who can't have one.

I saw it in my mother. She wasn't when she didn't get her fix. Same goes for my older sister and multiple people around me.



All due respect, I'm very glad it's not your decision.

You would say that, but I see both smoking and self harm as a form of self mutilating with deeper meaning than just the physical aspect.

[Malcolm Tucker]

You would say that, but I see both smoking and self harm as a form of self mutilating with deeper meaning than just the physical aspect.

As someone who has experience both, I strongly disagree.

[Fact]

As someone who has experience both, I strongly disagree.

So smoking isn't a form of self mutilating with deeper meaning than just the physical aspect?

[Malcolm Tucker]

So smoking isn't a form of self mutilating with deeper meaning than just the physical aspect?

For me its stopping me cutting, that's as deep as it goes.

[Fact]

For me its stopping me cutting, that's as deep as it goes.

And I'm sure that you're cutting isn't just a physical aspect and smoking has become part of the cutting chain for you, meaning it does have a deeper meaning.

[Malcolm Tucker]

And I'm sure that you're cutting isn't just a physical aspect and smoking has become part of the cutting chain for you, meaning it does have a deeper meaning.

Let's look at it like this, and I'm dealing on past experiences here so please don't try and clinically apply macrocosms.

I keep cutting, endlessly. That ended in me trying to kill myself, and withdrawing myself from every possible aspect of society.

I keep smoking. Well considering how much it's stopped me cutting thus far, I'd say if I keep it up to June, cut free, not only will I keep my cutting down, I wont resort to the aforementioned acts.

Symone, listen. I'm well aware of the health risks. The only reason I'm so aware is because I've been exposed to smoking on a very regular basis for most of my life. Now you might take the high road and look down on me for smoking but tough. I'm doing what I can to make it through each day.

I struggle each day as it is. Smoking has eased that struggle. Now if you would rather I quit smoking and take the path I mentioned above then fine, but I'm not. That's the high road.

[Fact]

Symone, listen. I'm well aware of the health risks. The only reason I'm so aware is because I've been exposed to smoking on a very regular basis for most of my life. Now you might take the high road and look down on me for smoking but tough. I'm doing what I can to make it through each day.

To me smoking is just a weak 'escape' from your problems. I don't see the benefits to it in general. Fair enough you say it stops you from cutting, but in doing so it's giving you another problem to deal, or not deal, with.

I struggle each day as it is. Smoking has eased that struggle. Now if you would rather I quit smoking and take the path I mentioned above then fine, but I'm not. That's the high road.[/QUOTE]

I see where you're coming from, but I could never share that view with you. Swapping one self inflicted addiction for another isn't solving your issues in my eyes, it's just substitution - not necessarily better for you at all.

[UnknownError]

(To the OP) No I wouldn't.
I know not everyone that smokes smells like it, but everyone I know that smokes does.
I literally gag in French cause the guy next to me smokes so much.
So no.

[Coker34]

looks like i missed a battle yesterday lol. to the op - depending. an addiction is so. my whole fam smokes, would rather stand outside @ 0 degrees in shorts than be closed up with them. in the end, once a day is one thing

[Nathan_B]

I hate smokers. I would never date one. I mean like if they smoked pot here and there, that wouldn't bother me. but if they smoked cigs or pot everyday, that would bother me

[ThatScience]

To me smoking is just a weak 'escape' from your problems. I don't see the benefits to it in general. Fair enough you say it stops you from cutting, but in doing so it's giving you another problem to deal, or not deal, with.

I struggle each day as it is. Smoking has eased that struggle. Now if you would rather I quit smoking and take the path I mentioned above then fine, but I'm not. That's the high road.

I see where you're coming from, but I could never share that view with you. Swapping one self inflicted addiction for another isn't solving your issues in my eyes, it's just substitution - not necessarily better for you at all.

I'm gunna go ahead and mediate this one, as I believe it has descended into irrelevance.

Captain Michael, you are clearly replacing your self harm with smoking and avoiding the real issue. But that's none of my business. And it's none of yours, Fact. I know you think you're breaking the mold and destroying social stigma which has plagued our species for generations but you're not helping. You seem to be getting angry at someone because they have resorted to self harm. Fact, stop it. You're not liberating anyone from social opression, you're just making people uncomfortable and being off-topic.

[Fact]

I'm gunna go ahead and mediate this one, as I believe it has descended into irrelevance.

Captain Michael, you are clearly replacing your self harm with smoking and avoiding the real issue. But that's none of my business. And it's none of yours, Fact. I know you think you're breaking the mold and destroying social stigma which has plagued our species for generations but you're not helping. You seem to be getting angry at someone because they have resorted to self harm. Fact, stop it. You're not liberating anyone from social opression, you're just making people uncomfortable and being off-topic.

I happen to have spoke to Michael about this on a more personal level previously. This was not a spontaneous attack. So before YOU begin to judge me on my response to another person's post, think about what you're insinuating yourself. Also, telling me to 'stop' is going to make me more likely to continue if anything. If Michael wanted me to stop, then he would ask me to stop. Who's to say he hasn't done so already? Dragging it up again is only likely to cause him more aggravation if he reads this, so you're not protecting or helping him by forcing me to reinforce what I said.

You spoke about me being off topic, when you are also off topic, as the original intention of the thread was to see if a person would date a smoker or not.

You also said that it's non of my business about Michael's smoking habits - it's non of yours for my reasons for having the discussion that I did with Michael either.

You've contradicted yourself on two accounts, I have nothing more to say to you on the grounds of that.

[ThatScience]

I happen to have spoke to Michael about this on a more personal level previously. This was not a spontaneous attack. So before YOU begin to judge me on my response to another person's post, think about what you're insinuating yourself. Also, telling me to 'stop' is going to make me more likely to continue if anything. If Michael wanted me to stop, then he would ask me to stop. Who's to say he hasn't done so already? Dragging it up again is only likely to cause him more aggravation if he reads this, so you're not protecting or helping him by forcing me to reinforce what I said.

You spoke about me being off topic, when you are also off topic, as the original intention of the thread was to see if a person would date a smoker or not.

You also said that it's non of my business about Michael's smoking habits - it's non of yours for my reasons for having the discussion that I did with Michael either.

You've contradicted yourself on two accounts, I have nothing more to say to you on the grounds of that.

Please try to keep on topic. That is all.

[Fact]

Please try to keep on topic. That is all.

You have now spammed the thread twice and are subsequently forcing me to spam back to your comments.

Don't try to moderate moderators. I said my piece and it had nothing to do with you, still doesn't - so leave it.

[Syvelocin]

It's been a while, but...

@Fact: I don't think you can be fully opposed to smoking and be able to understand what is sexy about it :/ I was never against it in the first place, so it changes it a bit. I mean, I was brought up knowing one smoker, my mum. And I didn't see it in a bad light because of that. My mum smoking plus me being a smoker, I guess there's a better chance at me thinking so than you.

And also, with the media nowadays... how can you be surprised?

In a health class, we were shown a video about smoking. The strangest thing about the video is that it included a series of clips from the movie Fight Club. I was just saying to a friend of mine, "Well, isn't this supposed to make us NOT want to smoke?" I made the remark because the clips were of Helena Bonham Carter (http://img.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2008/01_04/helenaES_468x724.jpg), who, in my opinion, is the most gorgeous celebrity I've ever seen, an obviously has no problem whatsoever staying in a relationship despite being a smoker. And there are also a bunch of other celebrities who smoke, but that doesn't seem to affect a fan's opinion on them (say, Johnny Depp, who has been voted the Sexiest Man Alive quite a few times).

It's intriguing that there are so many people who don't smoke :confused:

My point though has always been, "Why discriminate?" I believe in the concept of soul mates, and what the fuck are you going to do if your soul mate happens to smoke? Just look over them? I date whether you're a smoker, a cocaine addict, a self-harmer, a drinker. I think it's rather rude to discriminate just because they have that addiction. And having been with a cocaine addict, I find that your partnership regardless of the fact that they do drugs, HELPS them, that you're there to help them through it and recover. Just saying :P That cocaine addict has pretty much recovered. And yes, I do partly credit myself.

[Fact]

It's been a while, but...

@Fact: I don't think you can be fully opposed to smoking and be able to understand what is sexy about it :/ I was never against it in the first place, so it changes it a bit. I mean, I was brought up knowing one smoker, my mum. And I didn't see it in a bad light because of that. My mum smoking plus me being a smoker, I guess there's a better chance at me thinking so than you.

I was also brought up knowing one smoker, also my mother. I hated her for it and always wanted her to stop.

And also, with the media nowadays... how can you be surprised?

Quite easily, that people fall into the consumer's trap of fuelling the government's tax demands by becoming dependant on something they don't need and wouldn't want if it wasn't marketed the way it was.

In a health class, we were shown a video about smoking. The strangest thing about the video is that it included a series of clips from the movie Fight Club. I was just saying to a friend of mine, "Well, isn't this supposed to make us NOT want to smoke?" I made the remark because the clips were of Helena Bonham Carter (http://img.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2008/01_04/helenaES_468x724.jpg), who, in my opinion, is the most gorgeous celebrity I've ever seen, an obviously has no problem whatsoever staying in a relationship despite being a smoker. And there are also a bunch of other celebrities who smoke, but that doesn't seem to affect a fan's opinion on them (say, Johnny Depp, who has been voted the Sexiest Man Alive quite a few times).

I don't follow celebrities. I have little interest in their lives and who other people think is 'sexy', or isn't sexy, or who's fat or thin or pretty or who's had a boob job or was in the latest film or whatever bullshit they come up with next. You've basically proved my point to begin with - I don't see anything sexy about someone putting a stick in their mouth, and neither would anyone else if celebrities and marketing didn't make it appealing. It's all under the umbrella of doing what you're told and being a sheep.

It's intriguing that there are so many people who don't smoke :confused:

Yes, I've always wondered what's wrong with the people that don't want to smell like shit, have bad health and eventually die. They must be crazy!

My point though has always been, "Why discriminate?"

Not acknowledging people's significant differences does not do them any favours. In fact, it makes situations more discriminative.

I believe in the concept of soul mates, and what the fuck are you going to do if your soul mate happens to smoke? Just look over them?

Yes. The idea that someone is predestined to be with you seems pretty shallow to me, as you then overlook every other person who could potentially be better for you, just because you have a 'soul mate' that's supposed to be yours whether you like it or not, even if you hate every little detail about them. To quote your words, "why discriminate" against all the other people out there?

I date whether you're a smoker, a cocaine addict, a self-harmer, a drinker. I think it's rather rude to discriminate just because they have that addiction.

It's not rude at all. Person has a problem that nine times out of ten could've been easily avoided with their own discretion - they chose not to, their choice, their fuck up, they can be forgotten. Probably sounds harsh to everyone else, but I have little sympathy for people who get themselves into such shit. Even less so for those who stay that way.

And having been with a cocaine addict, I find that your partnership regardless of the fact that they do drugs, HELPS them, that you're there to help them through it and recover. Just saying :P That cocaine addict has pretty much recovered. And yes, I do partly credit myself.

You didn't make them break their habit, they broke their own habit out of their own free will. You can say you helped, but you can't flick the switch in their brain for them that says "I'm going to stop doing this now". I've never known anyone give up an addiction for that reason AND stick to it.

The original purpose of the thread was:
Is there anyone out there who would be more inclined to date someone if they were a smoker?

My view remains the exact opposite. Always has, always will.

[ThatScience]

I believe that it takes certain personality traits for someone to take up smoking and that those traits are just too incompatible with what I'm looking for in a partner.

[Malcolm Tucker]

what 'traits'?...

[ThatScience]

what 'traits'?...

well for starters i probably wont date someone over 18 which means that if they smoke they are breaking the law...

[Malcolm Tucker]

well for starters i probably wont date someone over 18 which means that if they smoke they are breaking the law...

It's not illegal if you got them off someone else, it's illegal to BUY them.

And you said for starters, keep going.

[Deathwingo0o]

Is there anyone out there who would be more inclined to date someone if they were a smoker?
Personally I can't think of anything which is more of a deal-breaker... I'd rather date a man than a woman that smokes...:yes:

Eww no. No way I'm dating someone who smokes. No offense smokers, I just don't like the smoke.

[Ambrosia]

I have grown up around people who smoke, both my parents smoke, we used to own a family business of a chain of Tobacoo shops, and so on. My current boyfriend smokes. I have no issue with it. Every once in a while he will take a drag off what he's smoking and will kiss me with the smoke in his mouth still. It's not exactly something I look for in a guy but it doesn't gross me out either.

[Syvelocin]

I didn't realise we were in ROTW.

I was also brought up knowing one smoker, also my mother. I hated her for it and always wanted her to stop.

Well, obviously then you were told smoking was bad. I wasn't.

Quite easily, that people fall into the consumer's trap of fuelling the government's tax demands by becoming dependant on something they don't need and wouldn't want if it wasn't marketed the way it was.

That's surprising to you?
I also don't approve of modern consumerism. But I automatically expect people to be stupid, because honestly the majority of people are white sheep. Never surprised me.

I don't follow celebrities. I have little interest in their lives and who other people think is 'sexy', or isn't sexy, or who's fat or thin or pretty or who's had a boob job or was in the latest film or whatever bullshit they come up with next. You've basically proved my point to begin with - I don't see anything sexy about someone putting a stick in their mouth, and neither would anyone else if celebrities and marketing didn't make it appealing. It's all under the umbrella of doing what you're told and being a sheep.

I used that as an example. My point: smoking doesn't change who you are as a person. It's just what you do. Again, I'm also in the same boat as you. Other than those involved with my personal interests, film, theatre, and music, celebrities are jack shit to me.


Yes, I've always wondered what's wrong with the people that don't want to smell like shit, have bad health and eventually die. They must be crazy!

You misunderstood what I said there.

Also, let me be the living proof of this, I don't smell like shit, I actually bathe everyday, brush my teeth at least three times a day, and today I smell like vanilla. The worst of my health problems do not concern smoking, and smoking will not be the cause of my death. Problems here? Hmm.

Yes. The idea that someone is predestined to be with you seems pretty shallow to me, as you then overlook every other person who could potentially be better for you, just because you have a 'soul mate' that's supposed to be yours whether you like it or not, even if you hate every little detail about them. To quote your words, "why discriminate" against all the other people out there?

Did I explain myself? No, I didn't. I stated a fact, that this is what I believe. Never occured to you I have a different definition of a soulmate than your typical hopeless romantic teenage girl?

I said nothing about destiny. And I don't overlook a goddamn person. I believe that a soulmate is something you can't determine. And that a soulmate doesn't have to be a lover. You won't know if someone's your soulmate or not just by being with them. How many times I've said, "I know it's you," to someone, and then I found that they weren't for me, is a very scary number I must say. But I never sat down and gave up and settled down. I've had relationship after relationship and, honestly, affair after affair.

It's not rude at all. Person has a problem that nine times out of ten could've been easily avoided with their own discretion - they chose not to, their choice, their fuck up, they can be forgotten. Probably sounds harsh to everyone else, but I have little sympathy for people who get themselves into such shit. Even less so for those who stay that way.

Hmm.
What if they couldn't control it? I'm not talking smoking, but listen to what you just said there.

People with drug addictions have just the same size problem as anyone else, say, a depression sufferer, an anorexic, a rape victim. These can all be, technically, the person's own fault. Especially eating disorders. Self-harmers? Yeah, it was that one time, that one fuck up, that they could have controlled. It's all the same.

You didn't make them break their habit, they broke their own habit out of their own free will. You can say you helped, but you can't flick the switch in their brain for them that says "I'm going to stop doing this now". I've never known anyone give up an addiction for that reason AND stick to it.

I half agree with you. Without their willingness, it wouldn't have happened. Though, he has been drug-free, for two years now. But, I have personal experience with the same thing. I didn't quit morphine for myself, I quit for my my mum, my stepdad, my brother, but my boyfriend at the time was a big part of it. If he had just said, "You're fucked up, I'm out," right then and there, I wouldn't have recovered then. Maybe after a couple years later, but that support he was to me, I wouldn't have gotten anywhere without him giving me that motivation to take care of myself.

Just like self-harmers have an addiction and anorexics have an addiction, smokers have an addiction. And it's just as fucking hard. I would never be able to turn my cheek to someone just because they're struggling with something like that.

[ThatScience]

It's not illegal if you got them off someone else, it's illegal to BUY them.

And you said for starters, keep going.

Smoking is expensive nowadays and proven almost without doubt to be hazardous to your health so i believe smokers to be particularly self-destructive and short-sighted.

they can also be antisocial: removing themselves from social situations to smoke offering their conversational partner two options: sit in silence for 5 minutes or follow them and breathe in second-hand smoke.

honestly. Can anyone find any good traits asociated with smoking?

[Dunce]

If I started liking someone and then soon after realizing they smoked I'd definitely go off them. Just the thought of being around someone who smells of nothing but smoke, not to mention knowing that there's a huge chance of them getting sick young and having an early death would put me off too, because they're essentially choosing that for themselves(It wouldnt put me off because they were sick, but because they werent copping on).
But if I liked someone ALOT for a good while and then found out they smoked I could probably put up with it. It takes alot to get me to like someone, and when I do things like that don't mess it up.
But yeah, all in all, it's not attractive. And it completely changes my opinion on people. I'm thinking of my crush right now, if I found out he smoked I wouldnt find him so sweet :(
Like, most people my age smoke because they think it's cool, or just for no reason. It's a death wish! And the pure stupidity of someone choosing to smoke for no apparent reason other than to appear cool or because they're friends do it is more of a turn off than the smoking itself.

[Spook]

Often being around smokers damages your lungs while their are smoking more so then their own, so my answer is no.

[Apollo.]

It would definitely put me off, it smells lol

[restricted NA]

smoke just gives me a headache

[jason_smitty]

it smells, its really unhealthy, just not what i would look for in somebody i wanted a relationship with

[Infidelitas]

Im not fussed if people smoke, but it is a turn off for me, but if I was truly in love with a guy, It wouldnt matter if he was a smoker or not

[abrahams]

Smoking cause certain disease.
Cancer of lungs.
Bad breath.
Decrease stamina.
Its just burning of money.

[Breakeven]

i dont mind dating smoker
i already smoke :p

[Tommie]

Well If you met "the one" fell in love, and then discovered they were a smoker, would you really judge someones whole personality on a habit? After all, judging someone isnt a reflection of their personality, its a reflection of yours...

[mase]

What's so good about it?
Why do you like it?
Is it really so good that you would risk your health doing it?:confused:

Honestly? i used to feel quite awkward talking to people, and it would make me alot more social, which is also the reason i started, im still not a full time smoker, with no plans to be, and i know its bad for you but i dont tend to think about the health concerns.

Oh OT ,yes Girls that smoke are Hot, most of the time i just find it attractive i guess