Couple abort twin boys in favour of a daughter

[mrmcdonaldduck]

A COUPLE so desperate for a baby girl that they terminated twin boys are fighting to choose the sex of their next child.
The couple, who have three sons and still grieve for a daughter they lost soon after birth, are going to the Victorian Civil and Administrative Tribunal to win the right to select sex by IVF treatment.
They say they want the opportunity to have the baby daughter they were tragically denied.
An independent panel, known as the Patient Review Panel, recently rejected the couple's bid to choose the sex of their next child using IVF.
They have gone to VCAT in a bid to have that decision overturned.
VCAT recently ruled that it has the power to review the Patient Review Panel decision. It will hear the couple's case in March.
So determined are the couple to have a girl that they recently terminated twin boys conceived through IVF.

The couple said it had been a traumatic decision to make but they could not continue to have unlimited numbers of children.

If their test case fails, they say they will go to the US to conceive a girl.

The couple, who cannot be identified, conceived their three boys naturally.

The woman - in her thirties - says she loves her sons but would do anything to have a daughter.

The man said: "After what we have been through we are due for a bit of luck. We want to be given the opportunity to have a girl."

The woman, who is consumed by grief over the daughter who died soon after birth, admits she has become obsessed with having a daughter and it has become vital to her psychological health.

Victoria's Assisted Reproductive Treatment Act 2008 bans sex selection unless it is necessary to avoid the risk of transmission of a genetic abnormality or genetic disease to a child.

All IVF clinics in Australia must stay within National Health and Medical Research Council guidelines that say sex selection should not be done except to reduce the transmission of a serious genetic condition.

Australian IVF pioneer Gab Kovacs - not involved in the case - said he could not understand why the couple should be banned from having a girl.

"I can't see how it could harm anyone," he said.

"Who is this going to harm if this couple have their desire fulfilled?"

But Gene Ethics director Bob Phelps did not believe the couple should be allowed to choose. He feared it could open floodgates.

"I'm sorry they lost their daughter but, in the interests of society as a whole, they should seek some counselling for their grief and look for another way of getting a daughter into their family," he said.

"They sound like good parents and could offer a home to a child who needs one." He suggested they could adopt from overseas.

Read more: http://www.news.com.au/national/desperate-couple-abort-twin-boys-in-desperate-bid-for-ivf-girl/story-e6frfkvr-1225983907853#ixzz1APWfQlMF

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Really, could you be more cruel?

[Amnesiac]

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That's not what abortion is for. "Safe, legal and rare." It pains me that these people are such immature idiots that they'l keep trying to have babies so they can fulfill some failed dream. It's disgusting. They shouldn't have the right to reproduce if they take this natural biological process for granted. I mean, seriously, aborting twin boys so you can have a girl? What the fuck is wrong with you?

[Sage]

That's not what abortion is for.

Of course it is. They didn't want those children, they didn't have those children.

[MoveAlong]

Ugh, opinions, morals...impossible topics to come to conclusions on.

[Sage]

Ugh, opinions, morals...impossible topics to come to conclusions on.

Not at all. People just come to different conclusions.

[MoveAlong]

Not at all. People just come to different conclusions.

Yeah, okay whatever, it's impossible to even say anything on this site without being corrected in some way.

[Sage]

Yeah, okay whatever, it's impossible to even say anything on this site without being corrected in some way.

I see plenty of posts that aren't or don't need to be corrected all the time. But I digress. While the couple are within their legal rights to have an abortion, and I make no moral judgments upon them regardless of their reasoning, I think that if they're so compelled to have another daughter then it would be well worth their efforts to simply look into adopting one.

[Fiction]

If they didn't want those children, I think it's better for them to have been aborted than them to have to grow up unloved. At least it seems, by trying to get permission to choose the sex of their next baby, that they don't want to have to abort again.
Although I do not neccisarily think that what they did was right, I can see why they did it.

[Amnesiac]

Of course it is. They didn't want those children, they didn't have those children.

It just strikes me as insipidly stupid that they would go to the trouble of getting pregnant, aborting, and wasting Australian taxpayer money over such a fucking retarded issue when they could, as you said, adopt.

I mean, I'm not pro-life, but I don't think people should be taking abortion for granted. I can understand it if the baby would've had nowhere better to go, or if they lacked the money (read: high school pregnancy), but that's just not the case here. But meh, that's just me.

[Just _1_ Look]

That's sad

[nick]

That's not what abortion is for. "Safe, legal and rare." It pains me that these people are such immature idiots that they'l keep trying to have babies so they can fulfill some failed dream. It's disgusting. They shouldn't have the right to reproduce if they take this natural biological process for granted. I mean, seriously, aborting twin boys so you can have a girl? What the fuck is wrong with you?
Agree totally. They're treating children like designer toys. Anyway they have 3 kids already, that should be enough, have they never heard of over population?

[Quick_Sylver]

Agree totally. They're treating children like designer toys. Anyway they have 3 kids already, that should be enough, have they never heard of over population?

I agree with this, mostly.

However, 3 kids already. By that logic, my sister and I are over population, because of a previous marriage. So, they want a daughter. Yeah, my mom wanted me to be a boy after losing twin boys in a miscarriage due to a car crash, but here I am. She ignored my fathers pleading to abort me, and tbh, my life isnt the best, but at least Im alive.

I know where they're coming from, but its not their right to pick and choose their child's sex. We are not God[Read;god], we dont have much choice in our children.

Honestly, this woman needs counselling and to think about her boys. Yes, losing children is traumatic, but you can move past it, which is what she needs to do, instead of trying again and failing yet again. After x amount of miscarriages/baby losses, doctors start shaking heads and telling her to stop. What can you do though, tbh, it sounds like she's become so attached to the ideality of having a daughter that she's got nothing else on her mind, which is bad for her.

[Magus]

I know where they're coming from, but its not their right to pick and choose their child's sex. We are not God[Read;god], we dont have much choice in our children.
One out of two of male's sperm have the XX Chromosome aka Daughter. And here is an information:

"The Y sperms are very delicate and are easily get destroyed by acidic and toxic environment of vagina. Thus if the vagina is very acidic most of the Y sperms are destroyed the rest may get immobile and not fit to swim in the cervical canal." ~ Wiki answerz.

So, she needs more acid. And voila. We have a beautiful daughter.

[Continuum]

One out of two of male's sperm have the XX Chromosome aka Daughter. And here is an information:

"The Y sperms are very delicate and are easily get destroyed by acidic and toxic environment of vagina. Thus if the vagina is very acidic most of the Y sperms are destroyed the rest may get immobile and not fit to swim in the cervical canal." ~ Wiki answerz.

So, she needs more acid. And voila. We have a beautiful daughter.

I thought the Vagina already contains Muriatic Acid?

[Magus]

I thought the Vagina already contains Muriatic Acid?Acids do not have a constant acid value, it varies as per with other factors. Also, heard of butterfly effect theory?

[Continuum]

Acids do not have a constant acid value, it varies as per with other factors. Also, heard of butterfly effect theory?

If it exists, it's probably the watery stuff. It's stealing the hydrogen.

Why, yes I do. Why?

[PJay]

IMHO there are way too many people on this planet already. For enviromental reasons alone the system should not subsidise positive population growth, so if they've already got 3 kids they are already over quota and that should be the end of it.

No one *needs* a child of a particular gender, why should the rest of society pay for their designer baby?

I'm all for abortion, its subsidising MORE babies that pisses me off.

[Rainstorm]

I find it rather selfish that they had the abortion because they didn't get the gender they wanted. Plenty of people want a child of the opposite gender they get, and guess what? They get over it.

[Suicune]

The woman - in her thirties - says she loves her sons but would do anything to have a daughter.
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Really? Way to throw your perfectly fine 3 children under the bus. "I love you boys, but you're not enough to fill the whole in my black hole of a heart."
Ugh, that just annoys me.

And if she does get the daughter, be careful what you wish for.

[Mrs.KermitTheFrogx]

I think some people here are being a bit heartless
the have lost their baby girl
and want to feel her again.
I think they should see a grief councellor
but as for the abortion ... i dont see anything wrong with it
i will probly get a lot of stick for saying that
but people will probly never change my opinion on it
becuase if they dont want that child ... why are they going to care for it ?
And adoption centre's have enough children in them.

[Dunce]

Well at first when I was reading it I was pretty disgusted. I hadn't gotten to the part where they have three boys already and I thought that the couple were being perfectionists and picky.
But when I read that they already have three boys and lost a girl well then.. I think she should have had the twins, but given them up for adoption. It would seem cruel and make them seem unloved seeing as the couple already had children and they just decided to get rid of them but at least they'd have a chance at life.
They could also adopt a baby girl, I mean they can't keep getting preganant and aborting the baby because it's a boy.
My Granny had seven boys and one girl who died, so this woman could have many more pregnancies ahead of her in which the child will be male, she can't keep taking chances if she's just going to abort the males.

[Mrs.KermitTheFrogx]

But when I read that they already have three boys and lost a girl well then.. I think she should have had the twins, but given them up for adoption. It would seem cruel and make them seem unloved seeing as the couple already had children and they just decided to get rid of them but at least they'd have a chance at life..

Given them up for adoption ?
im sure that would have made them feel loved
going from home - home never having a true family
maybe even getting split up from eachother
they may get a great home but theres no complete chance of that
infact not even a chance of getting adopted.
im sure that would have been a great life ...

[Fourth Dimension]

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really? Way to throw your perfectly fine 3 children under the bus. "i love you boys, but you're not enough to fill the whole in my black hole of a heart."
ugh, that just annoys me.

And if she does get the daughter, be careful what you wish for.

agreed

[Raptor22]

Whats the difference between the couple finding out they were boys and aborting them, and birthing them and then killing them because they were boys. Just because the couple found out early doesnt give them a right to kill them.

[The Joker]

Yeah, okay whatever, it's impossible to even say anything on this site without being corrected in some way.

That offends me, sir. What's so wrong about being corrected when you are wrong?

[Jess]

in China I think pretty much the same thing happens for baby girls. couples there want sons, not daughters. at least in rural areas

I mean, it was her choice, she got to decide because it's her body, but I don't like the fact you have to abort an unborn child just to try to have the perfect child. I'm pro-choice, but this....

[goat]

Any girl they conceive will likely have a tragic life., and life is probably hell for those boys with parents so unable to move on. Those poor people are clearly disturbed.