Gay sex is natural

[chazzrox2]

There are various biological investigations into animal sexuality, for example cows have an extremely high level of homosexuality in both females and males. Also many higher primates have same sex intercourse.
So my question is: Is it possible that homosexuality is perfectly natural and not something that the modern world has just invented?


My argument is that of course it's natural, even throughout the ancient world gay relationships have been quite prominent. In the Greco-Roman era many elite members of society had young same sex partners. In the pacific same-sex relationships are encouraged as a right of manhood and heterosexuality thought of as just a tool of reproduction. There are many examples and it is only since the mid-1800s that homosexuality has been seen as a serious flaw in humanity

[Rutherford The Brave]

for example cows have an extremely high level of homosexuality in both females and males. Also many higher primates have same sex intercourse.
So my question is: Is it possible that homosexuality is perfectly natural and not something that the modern world has just invented?




If you think about it, it makes sense. Female cows are with female cows, Male cows are with male cows. The problem with the primates is its less common, the precentage of Animals that are homosexual or act so, are cast out by groups and are usually killed. Others are usually doing it, because there isn't enough of the other sex.

[Kiko]

I don't think it's a flaw in humanity but I don't think homosexuality in humans is the same as it is in animals. Animals do it when there aren't any animals of the opposite sex for them to procreate with. They just seem to do it as a form of masturbation, they don't have feelings for creatures of the same sex.

I don't think it's fair to compare humans to animals in respect to homosexuality because in humans it is a lifestyle choice in which they are attracted to someone of the same sex, and in animals it's just an easy way to get off.

[Fiction]

I think it's natural just because you can't help what you feel. I'm bi- curious. I think i'm pretty much sorted as straight now but I know a few years ago I had a crush on a girl, and I didn't want to have a crush on a girl, so I don't think you could say this was something invented by me.

[nick]

I don't think it's a flaw in humanity but I don't think homosexuality in humans is the same as it is in animals. Animals do it when there aren't any animals of the opposite sex for them to procreate with. They just seem to do it as a form of masturbation, they don't have feelings for creatures of the same sex.

I don't think it's fair to compare humans to animals in respect to homosexuality because in humans it is a lifestyle choice in which they are attracted to someone of the same sex, and in animals it's just an easy way to get off.
How on earth do you know what feelings they have? Anyway are you seriously suggesting a tom cat has feelings for the queens he more or less rapes? Its just sex for most animals and they arent too fussy how they get it.

[embers]

Meh, there was some study or other I read about some time ago, where they found that in a family with a lot of siblings, the youngest has the best chance of being gay. I'm not sure if that's true though. I do believe though that homosexuality is a mostly natural thing.

[Grid]

If you think about it, it makes sense. Female cows are with female cows, Male cows are with male cows. The problem with the primates is its less common, the precentage of Animals that are homosexual or act so, are cast out by groups and are usually killed. Others are usually doing it, because there isn't enough of the other sex.

ba dum tish

[scuba steve]

Ancient Greeks would have gay sex all the time and not think anything of it, Walrus' have also been witnessed in the act through choice, not through lack of opposite gender.

[Grant]

Banging this one boy just seems to interest me more than banging any girl. I'd still hit some girls though but I'd prefer the one boy. It's natural, it has to be. Odds are, everyone wants to fuck SOMEONE of the same sex, whether or not it's more than one person determines... absolutely nothing. It's still normal.

[willrod]

Meh, there was some study or other I read about some time ago, where they found that in a family with a lot of siblings, the youngest has the best chance of being gay. I'm not sure if that's true though. I do believe though that homosexuality is a mostly natural thing.

I read that too- it's a theory though lol- it's strange though, I'm the oldest in my family, and as far as I know, the only one who's gay. But I can certainly tell you that it's natural- why the hell else would someone "choose" to live the rest of their life as an outcast?

[trooneh]

There are many examples and it is only since the mid-1800s that homosexuality has been seen as a serious flaw in humanity

That's quite incorrect. The bible has a huge amount of anti-gay text and it was an offense punishable by death throughout much of the world in the middle ages.

Beyond that, though, I think that being homosexual is not a choice at all. As the person above me said, who would want to live as an outcast?

[Dorsum Oppel]

Let us say that buttsex is a new invention of our society, for the purpose of this thread.

What does this prove? That it's a horrible perversion? Does this make plastic and frozen dinners horrible perversions?
The entire argument that it's inherently wrong because it's new is just an extremely selective case of neophobia.

[scuba steve]

Let us say that buttsex is a new invention of our society, for the purpose of this thread.

What does this prove? That it's a horrible perversion? Does this make plastic and frozen dinners horrible perversions?
The entire argument that it's inherently wrong because it's new is just an extremely selective case of neophobia.

In the case of it being made up by humans I would say it's a good thing, as it becomes more popular in developing countries like China since it would help steady their population growths since to have a child they would need to adopt.

[Continuum]

In the case of it being made up by humans I would say it's a good thing, as it becomes more popular in developing countries like China since it would help steady their population growths since to have a child they would need to adopt.

The Man-Woman ratio in China is steadily dwindling too. Can't have a female partner, eh. :lol3:

[The Joker]

I don't know if it's natural or not, but it sure damn seems to feel good.

[Azunite]

Sex is originaly made for having babies. It is us humans that f'ed it up and found new ways for "extreme" sex and turned it into something that is done often.
Then this "buttsex" came. Butt is not for made for sex so why should I count gay sex normal?

[Perseus]

S Butt is not for made for sex
Says who? I'm looking more forward having butt sex than vaginal sex whenever I get the opportunity.

[sounddude]

I think it's natural because it's been around forever...and not just caus the other sex wasn't around. Religious morons just made it ugly, just like the haters of today. Just simple..to each their own....

[Azunite]

Says who? I'm looking more forward having butt sex than vaginal sex whenever I get the opportunity.

Vagina is made for sex, butt isn't.

And I can't think the hygene crisis after a buttsex

[Death]

^^Doesn't mean it's wrong or unnatural. For isntance, we are not designed to accept transplants, yet it still happens and isn't viewed as unnatural - for the most part at least.

[Perseus]

Vagina is made for sex, butt isn't.

And I can't think the hygene crisis after a buttsex

Then what about oral sex? The mouth is obviously not made for sex.

[The Joker]

I find it funny how we're talking about "gay sex" being natural or unnatural. Anal sex is not just a gay thing. As far as I knew, straight women also have anuses.

[Wicked_Syn]

Sex is sex. Weather it's man on man, man on woman, or woman on woman. It is what it is. We ALL need to just realize it.

[Donkey]

Beyond that, though, I think that being homosexual is not a choice at all. As the person above me said, who would want to live as an outcast?
Ask the boy who goes to school in pyjamas.

[Azunite]

I find it funny how we're talking about "gay sex" being natural or unnatural. Anal sex is not just a gay thing. As far as I knew, straight women also have anuses.

I also find anal sex as "unsuitable"

Then what about oral sex? The mouth is obviously not made for sex.

And?

[Fushigi]

good to hear then... lol kidding!!! :)

[Perseus]

I also find anal sex as "unsuitable"



And?

Do you find that unnatural?

[Dunce]

Are there actually people who think only humans can be gay? Aren't like.. 60% of sheep gay? And who hasn't seen two male dogs humping?
And I was watching a programme where they observed the sexual behaviour of chimps, and they do stuff exactly how we do it. They were saying how doing oral and other stuff is an instinct :P

[Zazu]

I feel that it's completely natural.

It's an act of love or passion or pleasure (as is straight sex). Those three components are intrinsic things all humans rely on and they all just 'are', we didn't invent them, they're natural therefore the acts that come from them are natural and normal. Even if it was something 'invented', as long as what the two people are doing with each other doesn't harm anyone else, has consent and isn't forcefully put on public display, I have no problem with it anyway.

[Fact]

I don't have a 'problem' with anyone who is homosexual, but sometimes I do feel weird about it.
I've witnessed my friends who are lesbians kissing or being sexual with eachother and sometimes it does make me feel odd, not in a good way.

However, I'm not one to say much having previously kissed girls, despite being straight. Perhaps that's the reason it makes me feel odd?

Anyway. The argument about homosexuality being 'natural' confuses me, mostly because of the word 'natural'. What do we class as 'natural'? Life that existed before we did? 'Nature' as in plants and animals? The Earth if it was 'unspoiled' by polluting life?

IMO, homosexuality would exist whether humans were alive or not. Therefore, it is 'natural'. Still, assuming what I've read here is correct, animals do still kill or outcast those of their kind that commit homosexual acts, meaning that they don't always condone it themselves, despite it happening amongst their own.
↑ that pretty much reflects human behaviour in almost everything that we 'protest' against etc. etc.

Thus, I believe that it is natural, but controversially not accepted.

[scuba steve]

Sex is originaly made for having babies. It is us humans that f'ed it up and found new ways for "extreme" sex and turned it into something that is done often.
Then this "buttsex" came. Butt is not for made for sex so why should I count gay sex normal?

Wrong, many other animals also participate in anal sex, whether by accident or choice.

[Sith Lord 13]

Wrong, many other animals also participate in anal sex, whether by accident or choice.

Source this? I don't doubt it, but I'm curious how many there are.

[PJay]

There is plenty of stuff out there about homosexual animal behaviours, and it seems to be generally accepted that there are advantages to the species such as "gay" animals give the pack or whatever a better adult to child ratio which improves the survivability of the young (frees the parents to go off and hunt and feed, bring in extra food themselves, defend the children from predators etc).

In terms of the mechanics as has been said girls have anuses too and plenty of straight couples use that option, and not all gay guys like anal sex. Some straight guys like a toy up them as foreplay or while they do the deed. If you don't like particular acts your self, it doesn't mean that is "wrong" for everyone now.

For my 2p I don't care if anyone else thinks its natural or not, and as long as my bf is having fun, nor should you.

[scuba steve]

Source this? I don't doubt it, but I'm curious how many there are.

I just looked it up on Wikipedia, I can't remember the original source I found it on. Recorded there are around 1,500 species that have been noted.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Animal_sexual_behaviour#Homosexual_behaviour