We should liberate Saudi Arabia

[Grid]

They have a tyrannical government, which justifies an invasion. Plus we want oil, and they have oil, and America's needs come before the rest of the world, because we're the most powerful and greatest nation ever, and we can do whatever we want. I say we commence with Operation Soaring Eagle.


1. They have oil.
2. Their government commits human rights violations and religious persecution is rife in the region.
3. Their a dictatorship.
4. It would help our economy, just like WW2 helped end the Great Depression.
5. We have to get back at them for declaring an embargo on us.
6. We can give it a bad-ass codename like Operation Soaring Eagle.
7. Did I mention they have oil?

http://www.safecom.org.au/images/want-oil.jpg

[Cloud]

1. They have oil.
yum.. oil.....
2. Their government commit human rights violations.
as do most?
3. Their a dictatorship.
big woop, doesnt mean you need to fight about it
if they want to remove a dictator they can do it themselves
4. It would help our economy, just like WW2 helped end the Great Depression.
WW1 also economically crippled Germany
5. We have to get back at them for declaring an embargo on us.
to lazy to look up that word but thats the shittest thing for vengeance ever.
6. We can give it a bad-ass codename like Operation Soaring Eagle.
you can also give saving people who need help cool ass codenames
7. Did I mention they have oil?
yes
you tried to sanction war with it
against a pretty strong country
when other countries also have oil

dont be foolish

[Sage]

I have a better idea: Let's stop using our military to push around people we don't like. Also, learn to troll.

[Korashk]

They have a tyrannical government, which justifies an invasion. Plus we want oil, and they have oil, and America's needs come before the rest of the world, because we're the most powerful and greatest nation ever, and we can do whatever we want. I say we commence with Operation Soaring Eagle.


1. They have oil.
2. Their government commits human rights violations and religious persecution is rife in the region.
3. Their a dictatorship.
4. It would help our economy, just like WW2 helped end the Great Depression.
5. We have to get back at them for declaring an embargo on us.
6. We can give it a bad-ass codename like Operation Soaring Eagle.
7. Did I mention they have oil?

Image (http://www.safecom.org.au/images/want-oil.jpg)
Not sure of troll...

Actually, I missed the picture at first glance. Definitely troll.

[Amnesiac]

http://myfacewhen.com/images/220.jpg

That may be the worst idea ever.

Ever. Should I even spend time explaining why?

[Magus]

They have a tyrannical government, which justifies an invasion.
No, they don't have a tyrannical government. There is a King - who doesn't do anything. And there is a Prime Minister - who does everything.
BTW, the people love their king. Because of him, they are the elite Arabs.
That's a fact.
Plus we want oil, and they have oil, and America's needs come before the rest of the world, because we're the most powerful and greatest nation ever, and we can do whatever we want.
No. If the countries were girls, then America would surely be the bitch.
That's a fact.

I say we commence with Operation Soaring Eagle.
Yes, General John McHoly.

1. They have oil.

So does Nigeria.
That's a fact.

2. Their government commits human rights violations and religious persecution is rife in the region.
Who are you to care? It's their country, and it's their wishes to do whatever fuck they want.

3. Their a dictatorship.
Yes, it's a kingdom and yes it is a ruled by monarchs and follows Sharia law.
Who cares? Really, tell me? Who seriously cares?

4. It would help our economy, just like WW2 helped end the Great Depression.
Bravo :clap: You have solved the American dilemma.

5. We have to get back at them for declaring an embargo on us.
Don't know that word is. But if you are talking about product bans... then the only American product I don't see is... non. We have playboy magazines.
That's a fact.

6. We can give it a bad-ass codename like Operation Soaring Eagle.
How about Operation let us piss off the Arabs.

7. Did I mention they have oil?Image (http://www.safecom.org.au/images/want-oil.jpg)
Did I mention Nigeria have oil?

Cool poster. I have one too:
http://images2.cpcache.com/product/150865802v6_480x480_Front.jpg
Iraq has suffered enough. And you want another one to suffer. Also, Saudi Arabia is the center of everything Arab. Piss the Arabs, and you will find your friendly falafil maker Karim or Fadi or Ahmad or George conspiring against you.

And now, that's a fucking Fact.

[huginnmuninn]

yes of course we should go attack other nations because they have what we want like oil hell i know a guy that used to take other peoples money just because he wanted it why shouldn't a whole country do the same thing but with oil. Sure lets go in there and take over their government because of course that has worked perfectly in the past especially when we start stealing their stuff. that would be just like beating them up, stealing their money and telling them we did it to make them better people. Genius idea

[Rutherford The Brave]

They have a tyrannical government, which justifies an invasion. Plus we want oil, and they have oil, and America's needs come before the rest of the world, because we're the most powerful and greatest nation ever, and we can do whatever we want. I say we commence with Operation Soaring Eagle.


1. They have oil.
2. Their government commits human rights violations and religious persecution is rife in the region.
3. Their a dictatorship.
4. It would help our economy, just like WW2 helped end the Great Depression.
5. We have to get back at them for declaring an embargo on us.
6. We can give it a bad-ass codename like Operation Soaring Eagle.
7. Did I mention they have oil?

Image (http://www.safecom.org.au/images/want-oil.jpg)

Like we need another reason to pollute the atmosphere. Oh my god oil, oh my god. Oh retaliation America is so great and strong, they have an embargo, they have oil. Lets show them we have a bigger dick, and not only murder their army but probably most of their civilians to prove a point.

[Tristin.]

let me guess, another american who thinks they can control the world?

saudi arabia has a monarchy, not a tyrany. you are confusing it with an autocracy.
it has worked so far, and the country itself is happy with the way it is governed. Americans invade places "liberating" them, iraq and afghanistan are in such a great way since you helped arnt they?

[Peace God]

You do know that Saudi Arabia has trillions of dollars invested in the United States...right?

[trooneh]

I do believe he's trolling. Also, invading a country which gets most of its military technology from the United States isn't a great idea. Their weapons would be pretty close to the level of our's, and I'm pretty sure that the insurgency that would come up in Saudi Arabia would be unlike anything seen in Iraq.

[KylieEatWorld]

I need not express my opinion because several have already done so but I will anyway. No human life is worth any amount of oil. You don't decimate a countries military, government, and citizens just for a fuel we should be working to lose our dependency of. Considering how bad it is for the environment.

[Sogeking]

You are using the same reasons Hitler used to find an excuse to invade Poland and the Balkans.

[Grid]

*nevermind*

[nick]

I guess you guys know that the film "Team America" was actually made by an American? It strikes me that rather than being a troll this was a "Team America" thread.

Of course those attitudes stink, I think that may have been the point.

[Grid]

You people really don't know what a satire is, do you?

[Sage]

You people really don't know what a satire is, do you?

We've had way too many incredible idiots throughout ROTW's history to assume every stupid thread posted is just a trolling attempt.

[JunkBondTrader]

You people really don't know what a satire is, do you?

We know what satire is but this is a debate forum. Take it somewhere else.

[Grid]

Operation Saudi Freedom

[Magus]

Operation Saudi Freedom
This is ROTW, my friend. Satire isn't that very detectable, artiste.

[Azunite]

They have a tyrannical government, which justifies an invasion. Plus we want oil, and they have oil, and America's needs come before the rest of the world, because we're the most powerful and greatest nation ever, and we can do whatever we want. I say we commence with Operation Soaring Eagle.


1. They have oil.
2. Their government commits human rights violations and religious persecution is rife in the region.
3. Their a dictatorship.
4. It would help our economy, just like WW2 helped end the Great Depression.
5. We have to get back at them for declaring an embargo on us.
6. We can give it a bad-ass codename like Operation Soaring Eagle.
7. Did I mention they have oil?

Image (http://www.safecom.org.au/images/want-oil.jpg)

I don't welcome imperialists here.

[Grid]

I don't welcome imperialists here.

Imperialism is a good thing, imho. Look at how much we've helped other countries by conquering them, and making them civilized.

[embers]

Yes Grid, such as when you invaded Iraq, leading to disgraceful events like Fallujah. Man, was there some liberation there. You know, I feel it's turned from a complete shit hole to perhaps one of the more developed countries, if not one with the highest educational standard in the world. /overdone sarcasm.

Or maybe when you helped drive the communists out of Afghanistan, yeah, look how far up the ladder Afghanistan is now. America may not believe it, but they are one of the critical reasons global terrorism started in the first place.

But that's just me.

[Azunite]

Imperialism is a good thing, imho. Look at how much we've helped other countries by conquering them, and making them civilized.

That's the american spirit, not human

[Grid]

Yes Grid, such as when you invaded Iraq, leading to disgraceful events like Fallujah. Man, was there some liberation there. You know, I feel it's turned from a complete shit hole to perhaps one of the more developed countries, if not one with the highest educational standard in the world. /overdone sarcasm.

Or maybe when you helped drive the communists out of Afghanistan, yeah, look how far up the ladder Afghanistan is now. America may not believe it, but they are one of the critical reasons global terrorism started in the first place.

But that's just me.

The war in Afghanistan isn't over communism.

[embers]

it started with the USSR's occupation, which the US feared would cause the spread of communism. So they armed militia who fought the Russians under the guise of being mujahideen - holy warriors - and soon enough, they being Muslims, harboured the Al Qaeda in Afghanistan. America, having gone mad after 9/11, invaded Afghanistan in hope of getting to groups like the Al Qaeda, and the mujahideen groups it had originally armed turned against them. That's it in a nutshell, but there are far more details than listed.

The war in Afghanistan isn't over communism. But the original capitalism v. communism beef was its root. (Although I mainly see America/capitalism as its root, not communism, for obvious reasons.)

[Azunite]

I believe Grid has a reason to invade any country

[Magus]

it started with the USSR's occupation, which the US feared would cause the spread of communism. So they armed militia who fought the Russians under the guise of being mujahideen
Mujahideen literal meaning is Strugglers. Afghanistan was actually a communist country years before Russian invasion(which justifies the Russian invasion). Mujahideen, even though what seems to be an Islamic faction, they were secularist.

When the Mujahideen disbanded, half of them left Afghanistan or left being fighters, and the other half went to form Taliban.

And in 1996 up till 2000, they were the rulers of Afghanistan. In 2001 America invaded Afghanistan in hope to fight the terrorists, Al-Qaeda, who were Harboured by Taliban.

All clear now?

This is the communist flag of Afghanistan:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/64/Flag_of_Afghanistan_(1978-1980).svg

[embers]

But you don't deny that the US was arming some mujahideen groups with the means to drive out the Russians?

As for the Taliban, weren't some of them sent by Pakistan to 'protect trade routes between Afghanistan and Pakistan'? But really it was for some shite political reason?

[Rutherford The Brave]

Imperialism is a good thing, imho. Look at how much we've helped other countries by conquering them, and making them civilized.

Pfft look at North Korea now, so much for that idea, now their looking to blow us up with nuclear missiles.

[Magus]

But you don't deny that the US was arming some mujahideen groups with the means to drive out the Russians?

As for the Taliban, weren't some of them sent by Pakistan to 'protect trade routes between Afghanistan and Pakistan'? But really it was for some shite political reason?

No, I won't deny. They gave them the state of the art weaponry. But that was a measure to counter Communism. Who in the world thought that half of Mujahideen became so hell-bent Muslims.

No, Taliban was made right after the liberation of Afghanistan from the Soviets and Communism all together. They want a country that is built and based on Sharia.

What's that?

[Azunite]

Leave him Faris, Saudi Arabia is our protectorate and our shield to protect Republic of Türkiye and Free Baluchi Confederation. If they attak Arabia, they will face us which I think they wouldn't want

[Amnesiac]

Imperialism is a good thing, imho. Look at how much we've helped other countries by conquering them, and making them civilized.

Imperialism is the very policy that has the US giving away billions of its own dollars to other nations that barely do anything in return. It's the policy that's cost thousands of American lives fighting unnecessary wars.

Isolationism is better.

[Magus]

Imperialism is the very policy that has the US giving away billions of its own dollars to other nations that barely do anything in return.
Funny... powerful countries in terms of capital like Kuwait(where I live), also give away billions of it's money to other nation. Be it in rescue or development. Because of the Gulf countries, Sudan has a big dam that helps to keep the Sudanis cooled during deadly Sudani Summers - and that's just one example.

Even though Iraq did invade Kuwait and stole and destroyed properties(which are beyond the 7 zero figures). Despite of that, Kuwait instead of asking compensation, they are giving out money, yet again, to Iraq - for it to rebuild.

And what did Kuwait gain from this? Absolutely nothing.

But that's not only Kuwait, that's the GCC united. They are the heart of Middle-East.

Invading Saudi Arabia is like taking the lower most box of vertically piled boxes. Problems will come cascading on you.


It's the policy that's cost thousands of American lives fighting unnecessary wars.
Actually, if America didn't engage in any wars from 2001 and onwards, America would have lived in fears and unnecessary dilemmas.

[Amnesiac]

Funny... powerful countries in terms of capital like Kuwait(where I live), also give away billions of it's money to other nation. Be it in rescue or development. Because of the Gulf countries, Sudan has a big dam that helps to keep the Sudanis cooled during deadly Sudani Summers - and that's just one example.

Even though Iraq did invade Kuwait and stole and destroyed properties(which are beyond the 7 zero figures). Despite of that, Kuwait instead of asking compensation, they are giving out money, yet again, to Iraq - for it to rebuild.

Well, the problem with the Americans is that their money is spent on oil and military equipment. Yes, I'm sure some American money is also spent on humanitarian efforts, but that's probably drowned out by the money the US spends on buying other nations military equipment and oil for themselves.

Actually, if America didn't engage in any wars from 2001 and onwards, America would have lived in fears and unnecessary dilemmas.

I don't see the necessity of invading Iraq, a country unrelated to the 9/11 attacks. Actually, a full-scale war was never necessary, and probably was counterproductive. Small-scale, secret CIA operations in cooperation with other nations would probably bring the US closer to Bin Laden than going in and bombing the shit out of everything.

[embers]

No, I won't deny. They gave them the state of the art weaponry. But that was a measure to counter Communism. Who in the world thought that half of Mujahideen became so hell-bent Muslims.

No, Taliban was made right after the liberation of Afghanistan from the Soviets and Communism all together. They want a country that is built and based on Sharia.

What's that?

But Afghanistan was doing pretty well under the communist rule - well, the north was anyway. The south was facing problems with insurgents - which is, I believe, why they asked Russia to send her troops in? To deal with the insurgency? And then the USA did what it did, arming militia, etc...

And so that leads back to my original point, which was America's so called 'liberating other countries' has actually turned them into bigger hellholes than they started off as. Because as they drove the communists out, the Muslim insurgents tried to take full control of Afghanistan - and did.

The mujahideen does mean 'strugglers', but in their context it meant 'strugglers for Islam'. Just as the literal meaning of jihad is struggle, but it is used to mean 'struggle for Islam'.


As for the Taliban, they also taught children in Madrasahs in Pakistan radical versions of Islam, for recruitment purposes. So Pakistan's army eventually also used these little groups of the Taliban, under the guise of protecting a critical trade route that at the time was riddled with thieves and robbers, to satisfy their political needs in Afghanistan: Pakistan wanted control. That's the elaboration on my point on the Taliban - but yeah, at the moment, they're the angry lads that want Shariah in Afghanistan.

Shite = a slightly more English word for 'shit' (:

It's the policy that's cost thousands of American lives fighting unnecessary wars.

As well as being the policy that's also cost thousands of innocent civilian lives due to abuse of power and bad tactics in carrying out said 'conquering'.

[Magus]

Well, the problem with the Americans is that their money is spent on oil and military equipment. Yes, I'm sure some American money is also spent on humanitarian efforts, but that's probably drowned out by the money the US spends on buying other nations military equipment and oil for themselves.
Shame on Amerikha :judge: If they would have put that much money on projects like the Golden Rice (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_rice) and other green projects like Solar Collector for environment safe energy. The world would have been a bit bitter. But America is not the only country that does everything and put the burden on to do everything. Every other able country should contribute, too.


I don't see the necessity of invading Iraq, a country unrelated to the 9/11 attacks. Actually, a full-scale war was never necessary, and probably was counterproductive. Small-scale, secret CIA operations in cooperation with other nations would probably bring the US closer to Bin Laden than going in and bombing the shit out of everything.
Even though Sadam Hussein did not have WMD, it was wise to bring him down. He was a serious threat to his people and neighbors. See the difference between Now Iraq, and then Iraq. Yes, there are feuds between factions, but that's a domestic and not a radiating problem now. Don't you think so?

[Amnesiac]

Shame on Amerikha :judge: If they would have put that much money on projects like the Golden Rice (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_rice) and other green projects like Solar Collector for environment safe energy. The world would have been a bit bitter. But America is not the only country that does everything and put the burden on to do everything. Every other able country should contribute, too.

Well, that's the problem. Americans aren't interested in investing in long-turn sustainable projects like Europeans are. That's why the US isn't making gigantic leaps in scientific progress like they are. Europe has invested over $9 billion into long-term projects studying nuclear fusion energy and particle accelerators, and thanks to that it looks like the best solution to the energy crisis is just over the horizon. Meanwhile, the US insists on spending billions on Middle-Eastern oil.

Even though Sadam Hussein did not have WMD, it was wise to bring him down. He was a serious threat to his people and neighbors. See the difference between Now Iraq, and then Iraq. Yes, there are feuds between factions, but that's a domestic and not a radiating problem now. Don't you think so?

Well, I don't believe in countries getting involved in the affairs of other regions. That's why I believe the US should move out of the Middle East (including Israel). The world would be a much more peaceful place if nations wouldn't stick their noses in the issues of others. Yes, the Middle East may be a bit more stable since the US intervened, but the presence of the West there is also a radiating problem. The Middle East doesn't like the West. Having them mix is just bad.

[Magus]

Well, that's the problem. Americans aren't interested in investing in long-turn sustainable projects like Europeans are. That's why the US isn't making gigantic leaps in scientific progress like they are. Europe has invested over $9 billion into long-term projects studying nuclear fusion energy and particle accelerators, and thanks to that it looks like the best solution to the energy crisis is just over the horizon. Meanwhile, the US insists on spending billions on Middle-Eastern oil.
Good thing you guys have large hadron collider, and Nasa. But still, that will not save the world. Shame.

Well, I don't believe in countries getting involved in the affairs of other regions. That's why I believe the US should move out of the Middle East (including Israel). The world would be a much more peaceful place if nations wouldn't stick their noses in the issues of others. Yes, the Middle East may be a bit more stable since the US intervened, but the presence of the West there is also a radiating problem. The Middle East doesn't like the West. Having them mix is just bad.
Israeli getting back their soil - and getting aided by the Americans in a long-term was the precursor of what's happening now.

If I guess it right. Saddam used his rockets on Israeli. Four Arab nations attacked Israel, but Israel was backed by America. America here and there - until people got sick from hearing of America getting involved in everything. I agree with you, if America did not dig itself in other regions problems, it wouldn't have reached to this point of problems.

[Amnesiac]

Good thing you guys have large hadron collider, and Nasa. But still, that will not save the world. Shame.

We could at least help the world more if we'd invest in large-scale scientific development, but no.

Israeli getting back their soil - and getting aided by the Americans in a long-term was the precursor of what's happening now.

If I guess it right. Saddam used his rockets on Israeli. Four Arab nations attacked Israel, but Israel was backed by America. America here and there - until people got sick from hearing of America getting involved in everything. I agree with you, if America did not dig itself in other regions problems, it wouldn't have reached to this point of problems.

That's right, the Arabs did gang up on Israel and the US did back the Israelis up. That's enough to make the Middle East hate the US, but to make it worse the US has to fight two wars in Iraq. The region's a mess because of what the Americans did, it would've been better if the US had stuck to its own domestic problems instead. All the money the US pours into that region could be better spent on building up its own failing infrastructure.

[Magus]

The region's a mess because of what the Americans did, it would've been better if the US had stuck to its own domestic problems instead. All the money the US pours into that region could be better spent on building up its own failing infrastructure.
Yes, America did attack Iraq, when Iraq invaded Kuwait. That way, America regained the trust of one-quarter of the Arabs, a little bit. Since then, America were in good tides with the GCC - but that's primarily because it wants oil from them(how obviously obvious), and camp their bases there, too. But, who am I to judge American politics?

[Kahn]

We wouldn't liberate, we'd destroy.

That being said, using the military to achieve things is a horrible misuse of resources. Those are lives, not just pawns in a game. It's not a video game, and if we keep invading countries for oil we will run out of men. Volunteers are becoming less apparent because what we're doing over in Afghanistan and what we were doing in Iraq has gone unjustified.

Also,

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_QUC0Qp8XAR8/TQewAc1f9jI/AAAAAAAAAzY/ykiIqDSs890/s1600/obvious-troll-is-obvious-i2768.jpg

[Magus]

Image (http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_QUC0Qp8XAR8/TQewAc1f9jI/AAAAAAAAAzY/ykiIqDSs890/s1600/obvious-troll-is-obvious-i2768.jpg)
For the JRPG illiterate, that's a Dragon Quest/Warrior troll. :P

[Continuum]

For the JRPG illiterate, that's a Dragon Quest/Warrior troll. :P

I remember now. lol Faris. :P

[Sith Lord 13]

Isolationism is better.

How well did isolationism go last time? Oh, that's right, two world wars.

[Amnesiac]

How well did isolationism go last time? Oh, that's right, two world wars.

It sounds like you're implying that the last two world wars were caused by American isolationism. It was European imperialism that caused both world wars, the U.S. was pressured and forced into joining.

Since we live in a world where the extreme instability that was present in Europe in the first half of the 20th century no longer exists, it's not reasonable to believe that there will be another world war in the near future.

[Sith Lord 13]

It sounds like you're implying that the last two world wars were caused by American isolationism. It was European imperialism that caused both world wars, the U.S. was pressured and forced into joining.

Since we live in a world where the extreme instability that was present in Europe in the first half of the 20th century no longer exists, it's not reasonable to believe that there will be another world war in the near future.

You're correct in saying it didn't cause them, and due to the fact that it wasn't really till WWII that the US became a superpower, I feel it was appropriate for then. However, I feel that had the US had the power it has now back then, you could blame the US for not preventing the wars. By dealing with issues as they arise, it prevents the massive conflict. Were Hitler confronted the first time he moved to militarize Germany, it would have been a brief conflict that was little more than a side note in a few history texts.

[Amnesiac]

You're correct in saying it didn't cause them, and due to the fact that it wasn't really till WWII that the US became a superpower, I feel it was appropriate for then. However, I feel that had the US had the power it has now back then, you could blame the US for not preventing the wars. By dealing with issues as they arise, it prevents the massive conflict. Were Hitler confronted the first time he moved to militarize Germany, it would have been a brief conflict that was little more than a side note in a few history texts.

True. I do believe the U.S.'s involvement in World War I and II was totally justified, since both these wars presented a threat to America in a varying number of ways. However, nowadays, where the world is much more stable, it's not justified.

[Sith Lord 13]

True. I do believe the U.S.'s involvement in World War I and II was totally justified, since both these wars presented a threat to America in a varying number of ways. However, nowadays, where the world is much more stable, it's not justified.

But why is it stable? Because America intervenes. We're nipping things in the bud that, if left untreated, could develop into WWIII

[Amnesiac]

But why is it stable? Because America intervenes. We're nipping things in the bud that, if left untreated, could develop into WWIII

I can see that happening in North Korea, but not with terrorism.

[Sith Lord 13]

I can see that happening in North Korea, but not with terrorism.

No, terrorism will just continue random acts of violence until people are too scared to leave their home.

[Iron Man]

Or, we can stay the hell out of it and let them blow themselves up. Afterall, it isn't our business. We shall call it "Operation STFU".

[Amnesiac]

No, terrorism will just continue random acts of violence until people are too scared to leave their home.

Well, I'm not saying action shouldn't be taken against terrorists that pose a threat to the United States, but it's being done on such a large and destructive scale.

[Sith Lord 13]

Well, I'm not saying action shouldn't be taken against terrorists that pose a threat to the United States, but it's being done on such a large and destructive scale.

Because small scale operations over the past few decades accomplished nothing.

[Amnesiac]

Because small scale operations over the past few decades accomplished nothing.

Well, I wouldn't say this operation is accomplishing much either. Terrorism remains an international, disorganized threat that is extremely difficult to eradicate, if not impossible. I think strengthening defense at home is more appropriate.

We're going off topic now.

[Perseus]

But why is it stable? Because America intervenes. We're nipping things in the bud that, if left untreated, could develop into WWIII

Why were there the Korean and Vietnam war? Oh, that's right, America stopped isolation. Why do the terrorists hate us? Oh, that's right, because we intervened in the Middle East when it was no business of our own. Russia attacked Afghanistan and we supplied them, now we are fighting against them because we pissed them off. We shouldn't be policing the world. It makes things worse and makes countries not like us. There is so much turmoil in the Middle East because we gave the Jews Palestine, when it was already occupied by people. We had no right to just give the Jews land in the middle of the desert when people live there. It makes no sense.