I still don't understand marijuana legalization people.

[ShipOfTheLine]

I'm sure most of you have heard the phrase that the only people who support marijuana legalization are people who smoke it. While that is in fact true, atleast for the most part, I still don't understand the potheads. Sure, they want it to be legal so they can get their fix, and continue using harmful and illegal substances (which wouldn't be illegal if they had their way). Most people are opposed to legalization of illegal drugs, but I just don't get why some people think it's a good idea to make it legal? People who say "it puts innocent people behind bars" are idiots. Innocent people don't use illegal substances. There is no reason for marijuana, or any other illegal drug, to be legalized. You don't want to go to jail? Don't use illegal substances.

The only legitimate use for illegal drugs is for medical purposes, but if you just want to go get stoned and/or feed your addiction, then it's not okay. And people who say that marijuana is not addictive at all are full of shit. People get addicted to marijuana all the time and they suffer from it, just because you got lucky with a joint once or twice, doesn't mean that everyone is immune to become addicted and/or dependent. I really don't understand marijuana legalization people. No intelligent individual supports and/or endorses an illegal activity, yet a select few uneducated persons seem to support the use of marijuana, which is an illegal activity.

[Continuum]

Pot isn't that harmful. It brings pleasure and short bursts of euphoria if used in correct dosages. It's a bit on par as Alcohol, which I think is more harmful than it due to large intakes.

[Fact]

I'm sure most of you have heard the phrase that the only people who support marijuana legalization are people who smoke it. While that is in fact true, atleast for the most part, I still don't understand the potheads. Sure, they want it to be legal so they can get their fix, and continue using harmful and illegal substances (which wouldn't be illegal if they had their way). Most people are opposed to legalization of illegal drugs, but I just don't get why some people think it's a good idea to make it legal? People who say "it puts innocent people behind bars" are idiots. Innocent people don't use illegal substances. There is no reason for marijuana, or any other illegal drug, to be legalized. You don't want to go to jail? Don't use illegal substances.

The only legitimate use for illegal drugs is for medical purposes, but if you just want to go get stoned and/or feed your addiction, then it's not okay. And people who say that marijuana is not addictive at all are full of shit. People get addicted to marijuana all the time and they suffer from it, just because you got lucky with a joint once or twice, doesn't mean that everyone is immune to become addicted and/or dependent.

I think their problem is, cigarettes and cigars are legal and they do the same/just as much damage as marijuana does (which is why I personally will never even try either of them).

IMO: even though there is scientific evidence to prove the theory on cigarettes vs. marijuana, cigs will not be made illegal because the government creates WAY too much money from them and weed will never be made legal because the government gains nothing from it.

[Aves]

So you're saying that someone who smokes every once and a while, gets caught, and is arrested, is more dangerous than a murderer? Deserves the same punishment they do? Marijuana is no where near as harmful as cigars or cigarettes either. I think it's stupid, seeing as it's less lethal than other substances. On top of that, alcohol is perfectly legal, when it leads to more deaths/injuries than any other substance.

weed will never be made legal because the government gains nothing from it.

Actually, if it was made legal, they could tax it like they do cigars/cigarettes. So they could gain from it.

[Donkey]

No, tobacoo IS more harmful than cannabis. There is no evidence to say that cannabis is physically addictive, it is only ever psychologically addictive because you like the experience. I like orange juice, I want more orange juice - according to you I'm a compulsive addict.

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Why should it be legalised? Well,

1. It's less harmful than many legal drugs.

2. It's enjoyable, expands the consciousness and is not harmful at all. If you use a vaporization method to inhale, cannabis has almost no health risks. If you smoke it obviously there are side effects, but there are ways of taking it safely.

3. Saying that no intelligent people support legalization is the most big headed, ridiculous and stupid thing I've heard today. If you seriously think that only unintelligent people don't support your opinion, you have some serious thinking to do.

4. You are a SHEEP! Your attitude is "it's illegal, therefore it's evil," this is because of your media upbringing. You have joined the endless arrays of sheeple in today's society, unable to think beyond what the media and the government throws at them. You can't seem to understand that people would question something's illegality, or even crazily use an illegal substance. Sounds absolutely nuts.

5. Innocent people don't use illegal substances... I agree, normal people are made criminals for no good reason. You're playing with wording here but the fact is the majority of people will have tried cannabis at some point in their life and not have suddenly turned into a horrible pothead.

Your argument is bad. Your reasons are bad. Your thought streams are short. Your mind is not open. Why did you think creating this thread was a good idea?

[Fact]

the fact is the majority of people will have tried cannabis at some point in their life and not have suddenly turned into a horrible pothead.

I never have and never will, ever.
My opinion of people who do is generally skewed towards them being subject to boredom or peer pressure because I just don't see the appeal for things such as cigs, weed, heroin etc.

Edit: Aves said;
Actually, if it was made legal, they could tax it like they do cigars/cigarettes. So they could gain from it.
I was thinking that because marijuana production is not via the government they'd have a hard time competing with drug suppliers who don't want to give up their profits and power if they legalised it.

[Donkey]

I never have and never will, ever.
My opinion of people who do is generally skewed towards them being subject to boredom or peer pressure because I just don't see the appeal for things such as cigs, weed, heroin etc.
I respect you for staying strong and not doing something you disagree with, and no way would I ever say you're wrong for doing that. We all want different things out of life and it should absolutely always be free choice what you put into your body. That works both ways though, you should be allowed to put things in but not ever forced.

The appeal with psychoactive drugs is very simple, it's a different new consciousness, something people desire. It's a surreal experience, something that can't be had while sober.

Also if cannabis was legalized it would be able to be sold on license like tobacco/alcohol. There would be no need for dealers, why use a dealer when you can go over the counter? Private companies could produce the cannabis.

[cuddlemuffin3]

alcohol is worse than marijuana, and causes more deaths. you cannot die from marijuana, but you can die from alcohol, such as alcohol poisoning.

[Donkey]

The above is correct. Every year in the US, around 85,000 die from alcohol. There are no recorded deaths from cannabis. http://drugwarfacts.org/cms/?q=node/30

[Fact]

I respect you for staying strong and not doing something you disagree with, and no way would I ever say you're wrong for doing that. We all want different things out of life and it should absolutely always be free choice what you put into your body. That works both ways though, you should be allowed to put things in but not ever forced.

The appeal with psychoactive drugs is very simple, it's a different new consciousness, something people desire. It's a surreal experience, something that can't be had while sober.

Also if cannabis was legalized it would be able to be sold on license like tobacco/alcohol. There would be no need for dealers, why use a dealer when you can go over the counter? Private companies could produce the cannabis.

Thanks I guess? I just don't agree with putting such things into my body and the idea of smoking anything disgusts me, but then in saying that I have alcohol in moderation... but meh :P

True about the production thing I suppose... but if the government started taxing heavily then it's still possible for there to become an 'underground' market for it? I don't know if this happens with tobacco (closest thing I'm aware of is importing cheaply from foreign countries where cigs are cheaper).

Either way I hope it's never legalised. Despite not having many fatal symptoms, doesn't cannabis have a lot of social drawbacks? For example, I can't imagine someone going outside during work to smoke a joint.

[Donkey]

Well cannabis isn't really a "pop out" type drug, it's something to be enjoyed under the right conditions. If the government were taxing it highly, it would probably still be around the same price as the underground market could make it. That's because it costs a lot more to grow it illegally, big companies can mass produce whereas underground growers can only afford so much equipment, so many seeds, so much energy.

[Fact]

Well cannabis isn't really a "pop out" type drug, it's something to be enjoyed under the right conditions. If the government were taxing it highly, it would probably still be around the same price as the underground market could make it. That's because it costs a lot more to grow it illegally, big companies can mass produce whereas underground growers can only afford so much equipment, so many seeds, so much energy.

I guess so, about the production that is.
So basically you're suggesting that the use of cannabis should be similar to alcohol?

[Zazu]

It's your own body.

Grow your own drugs. Put them into your own body (as really, who can tell you what you can and can't put in your own body?). No harm done. Free will used. Great success.

[Donkey]

I guess so, about the production that is.
So basically you're suggesting that the use of cannabis should be similar to alcohol?
Essentially, yes. Instead of going home and having a beer, go home and have a joint.

[Shenron]

Well, I do not see a whole lot of harm in legalising it. Marijuana has virtually no health risks when compared to the legal drugs we use. It is so much safer than cigs, and alchohol, one must wonder why it is illegal. If it were made legal, we could be buying packs of joints instead of packs of cigs.

[Perseus]

I'm for legalization of marijuana, and I don't smoke it. I find no reason for marijuana to be illegal. Cigarettes and alcohol is more dangerous than it. People shouldn't be arrested for doing weed. I find it asinine.

[Amnesiac]

Your entire argument is incredibly flawed. You label marijuana an "illegal substance", but you don't define what that is. You make it sound like that even if we did legalize it, which should happen, it would continue to be "illegal" — is this on a moral basis or simply because you don't accept the fact that pot is relatively safe, especially compared to other drugs?

Also, you consider marijuana "harmful" and "addictive", bullshit statements in themselves (please refer to the chart that Jon posted). Addiction to marijuana is psychological, meaning it's not the fault of the drug but of the user. Alcohol had addictive properties, are you going to make that illegal as well? Just because you don't like a drug doesn't mean you have to impose your propoganda-driven 1984-style "moral ideals" on everyone else. The legalization of pot would only bring benefits — MUCH lower prison rates, taxable income and a large-scale reduction of the problems in Mexico.

[Peace God]

No intelligent individual supports and/or endorses an illegal activity.
Well thank god for the unintelligent individuals that supported abolition before the civil war. And the mindless idiots that fought for desegregation before the 60s.

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[The Joker]

I'm sure most of you have heard the phrase that the only people who support marijuana legalization are people who smoke it. While that is in fact true, atleast for the most part, I still don't understand the potheads.

Source for that statement?

Sure, they want it to be legal so they can get their fix, and continue using harmful and illegal substances (which wouldn't be illegal if they had their way).

Do you honestly think it's that way? It's because they think it would be good if other people used the drug, not just to get their "fix". Just because something is illegal doesn't mean it is actually bad. It was once illegal to drink from a certain water fountain if you were black. Funny story, alchohol and tobacco are BOTH more harmful than pot and they are legal.

Most people are opposed to legalization of illegal drugs,

Source?

Innocent people don't use illegal substances.

What is your definition of an innocent person? Would you not consider Robert Munsch an innocent person?

There is no reason for marijuana, or any other illegal drug, to be legalized. You don't want to go to jail? Don't use illegal substances.

What if they shouldn't be illegal?


The only legitimate use for illegal drugs is for medical purposes, but if you just want to go get stoned and/or feed your addiction, then it's not okay.

A lot of people use pot to calm their anxiety issues. I think that's a perfectly viable reason to smoke pot.

And people who say that marijuana is not addictive at all are full of shit. People get addicted to marijuana all the time and they suffer from it, just because you got lucky with a joint once or twice, doesn't mean that everyone is immune to become addicted and/or dependent.

I'll give you an opportunity to give me a source for that statement before I pull out thousands of sources saying the opposite of what you're saying.

I really don't understand marijuana legalization people. No intelligent individual supports and/or endorses an illegal activity, yet a select few uneducated persons seem to support the use of marijuana, which is an illegal activity.

Define educated.




And before you even start, I've never smoked pot.

[Magus]

I have never smoked Marijuana. But after touching erowid, I want it to be legalised, just the way Alcohols are legal.

A lot of people use pot to calm their anxiety issues. I think that's a perfectly viable reason to smoke pot.
A lot of people smoke pot for various reasons. Religious, spiritual and self-exploration are but few of them.

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