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steve1234
December 14th, 2010, 12:44 PM
Son, 18, fatally stabbed mother's killer in St Albans

A teenager stabbed a neighbour to death after seeing the man fatally stab his mother at their home in Hertfordshire, a double inquest has heard.

The hearing has been told James Killen, 18, was getting ready for school in St Albans on 30 April when he heard his mother Sandra Crawford, 53, scream.

He found Ms Crawford being stabbed by next-door neighbour Jonathan London.

Mr Killen wrestled the knife from him and stabbed 47-year old Mr London 16 times, the inquest heard.

Mr London died at the scene from a punctured lung while Ms Crawford, who staggered onto the front lawn, died in hospital eight days later from chest and neck injuries.

Screaming 'die'

In the months leading up to the incident, Mr London had been complaining of hearing noises in his head and on 29 April was taken to his GP and then to hospital by his family.

He was given a blood test and sent home, the inquest heard.

Psychiatric nurse Jocelyn Cusack, who saw Mr London that day, said his family was anxious that he stay at home.

She said he was delusional and it was one of the worst cases she had seen in 20 years.

Psychiatrist Dr Seshni Moodliar said she felt he did not pose a threat to himself or others.

A mental health team was due to see him at home at 1130 BST on 30 April, but at 0830 BST he left the house he shared with his elderly parents in Sherwood Avenue and attacked Ms Crawford.

Police officer Claire Moy, who attended the scene, told the inquest Mr Killen was "shaking uncontrollably" and kept asking after his mother.

Describing what Mr Killen had told her, she said: "He saw a man punching her (Ms Crawford) and screaming 'die, die'."

The hearing was told he got a knife and stabbed Mr London "a few times" but the man continued to attack his mother, who he realised was in "real danger".

Mr Killen was arrested but no charges were brought against him.

The hearing continues.

Source: BBC News (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-beds-bucks-herts-11992902)

I feel really sorry for the son....to have to see your mum being killed is horrific, and it must of been even worse to intervene and stab someone, aswell as being arrested afterwards (although no charges were brought against him).

Quite surprising for somewhere like St Albans. I have been there before, and it seems like a quiet town (which technically is a city).

Magus
December 14th, 2010, 12:56 PM
Atta boy!

The Madman
December 14th, 2010, 01:00 PM
I would say well done to him, thats completely what i would have done.

And that bastard deserved to die

Shenron
December 14th, 2010, 01:05 PM
Atta boy!

Exactly! I am proud of that boy. To standupand protect his mother like that, he did the right thing.

steve1234
December 14th, 2010, 04:47 PM
Exactly! I am proud of that boy. To standupand protect his mother like that, he did the right thing.

Definatly! Its just a shame that the mother died anyway :(

Amnesiac
December 14th, 2010, 06:26 PM
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This kid has done the right thing. He's hardcore, and should serve as a model for everyone else like him. I don't see any better way he could've gotten retribution for his mom's death.

Sith Lord 13
December 14th, 2010, 06:38 PM
Did any of you notice that the man was deeply disturbed. The kid did what was appropriate, no question, but that doesn't mean it's not regrettable.

Amnesiac
December 14th, 2010, 06:40 PM
Did any of you notice that the man was deeply disturbed. The kid did what was appropriate, no question, but that doesn't mean it's not regrettable.

True, but considering the situation he was in at the time, I believe it was 100% justified and necessary. It's regrettable this occurred, but something had to be done.

Sith Lord 13
December 14th, 2010, 07:08 PM
True, but considering the situation he was in at the time, I believe it was 100% justified and necessary. It's regrettable this occurred, but something had to be done.

I completely agree with that. It just sounded like everyone was saying it was a perfect ending when it wasn't.

Amnesiac
December 14th, 2010, 07:11 PM
I completely agree with that. It just sounded like everyone was saying it was a perfect ending when it wasn't.

Yeah, nothing can end perfectly in a situation like this. Even if his mom had survived, she would be living with crippling injuries.

scuba steve
December 14th, 2010, 07:15 PM
It's sad to realise that the British justice system is bound to fuck up and give him a murderers sentence.

Amnesiac
December 14th, 2010, 07:17 PM
It's sad to realise that the British justice system is bound to fuck up and give him a murderers sentence.

Makes me wonder what would happen if he were in America instead.

scuba steve
December 14th, 2010, 07:19 PM
Makes me wonder what would happen if he were in America instead.

I would imagine he would either be commended for his actions or given maximum offense charges, depending on how fancy a lawyer he purchased.

Amnesiac
December 14th, 2010, 07:29 PM
I would imagine he would either be commended for his actions or given maximum offense charges, depending on how fancy a lawyer he purchased.

It would also depend on where he decided to live. I can't tell if, here in Texas, people would be happy or enraged at him.

steve1234
December 15th, 2010, 10:10 AM
Did any of you notice that the man was deeply disturbed. The kid did what was appropriate, no question, but that doesn't mean it's not regrettable.

Fair point. He probably did not know what he was doing. Apparently he thought robots and the radio were controlling him. Also, the man was told to go home after visiting the hospital and was told a doctor would visit him the next day. Instead of going home, he killed went to kill the woman. Its probably the health services which should be blamed for this, or at least learn from the mistake.

It's sad to realise that the British justice system is bound to fuck up and give him a murderers sentence.

I agree, the UK justice system is a joke. But, in this case the courts declared it a 'lawful killing', so the justice system has done the right thing for once. The fact he was originally arrested is general procedure where a murder is involved (I think). But, you never know, the justice system could change their minds.

goat
January 10th, 2011, 03:54 PM
When a person takes another life, even when it is absolutely necessary, it often traumatized them for the rest of their lives. I read a report years ago that said 1/2 of all police who take a life in the line of duty leave the force.:(