Holocaust Denial

[Sogeking]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holocaust_denial


What are your thoughts on the people who believe that the Holocaust didn't happen?

Before I get flamed personally, I do believe that the holocaust did happen, so please dont paint me off as a anti-semetic douchebag.

[scuba steve]

The link doesn't work.

[Scarface]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holocaust_denial

Fixed.

[Sogeking]

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[trooneh]

They're people looking to marginalize Jews and say that anti-Semitism doesn't lead to genocide. I very much doubt that any of them truly believe there was no Holocaust. Another common thing is to argue about the numbers of people killed. When people start arguing, I just refer them to Rudolf Höss's testimony at Nuremberg that Auschwitz killed over a million people (his testimony was later proven to have exaggerated the numbers slightly).

[Death]

I sincerely hope that those who actually say such things are only doing so because they are somewhat disturbed by the thought that such a monstrosity could have happened.

[Errr]

Those people are so dumb! of course it happened! my grandmother LIVED through it, along with her ENTIRE family. My great grandfather was a Nazi Officer. (We DID NOT and DO NOT agree with what he did, and nobody in our family has any problem with Jews, Im just stating the truth.) Why would they just "make this up"?

[Fact]

Those people are so dumb! of course it happened! my grandmother LIVED through it, along with her ENTIRE family. My great grandfather was a Nazi Officer. (We DID NOT and DO NOT agree with what he did, and nobody in our family has any problem with Jews, Im just stating the truth.) Why would they just "make this up"?

I think the reason people wouldn't believe the holocaust happened is to do with either not comprehending death and destruction on that scale, or arguing against proof that it happened.

I personally have little doubt that it did happen, though I can see why people would. By denying that it happened, you're practically disrespecting those who were there and lived through it, because I'm pretty sure they remember it like it was yesterday. I've seen and spoken to a survivor of the holocaust myself and he didn't seem like he was making anything up at all.

[ShyGuyInChicago]

I think that it is wrong to deny the Holocaust because not only is it disrespectful to its victims, but if we refuse to acknowledge it we run the risk of it happening again. When it comes to whether Holocaust denial should be illegal, I think in many European countries where it is illegal it is appropriate for it to be illegal along with other related things such as displaying Nazi symbols because Europe is where the Holocaust happened and there seems to be an especially great risk of the Holocaust happening again in Europe.

[Korashk]

I think that it is wrong to deny the Holocaust because not only is it disrespectful to its victims, but if we refuse to acknowledge it we run the risk of it happening again.
So what to the former and...Holocaust denial isn't really all that widespread of a problem.

When it comes to whether Holocaust denial should be illegal, I think in many European countries where it is illegal it is appropriate for it to be illegal along with other related things such as displaying Nazi symbols
Let's take this statement and break it down to its core, which is that it is basically illegal to express positions that a governing body deems you shouldn't. Now do you support it?

because Europe is where the Holocaust happened and there seems to be an especially great risk of the Holocaust happening again in Europe.
I don't know what reality you live in, but the chances of another holocaust happening in Europe are pretty slim is they exist at all.

[The Dark Lord]

Europe is where the Holocaust happened and there seems to be an especially great risk of the Holocaust happening again in Europe.

Is this a serious point?

[Amnesiac]

Simply people seeking attention so they can advance their extremist right-wing anti-Jewish propaganda.

[ShyGuyInChicago]

Is this a serious point?

Yes. Though i suppose I am wrong. I probably should have said that Europeans are just very sensitive the Holocaust.

[Sage]

The only Holocaust denial I see on a regular basis is mentioning only the Jews that were killed. Though they were targeted the most, many, many other groups were also slain en masse.

[Jenna.]

They're stupid - plain and simple. I can't even find the words to express how horrified I feel with people who go around making this sort of absurd statement.

[Shenron]

Well, the people whoe deny the holocaust could have ulterior motives such as being german and having family members accused of being Nazis. They would want to deny the entire event thus negating any claim that their family had a hand in it.

[Continuum]

Simply people seeking attention so they can advance their extremist right-wing anti-Jewish propaganda.

Not really what you said. Mahmoud Ahmaqwqwerhyuhhad (in any way, I do not know how his name is spelled) of Iran is an open holocaust denier. Deviant, yes; but not totally extremist. He's a pretty stupid man, or he hates the whole Western World so much that he actively denies every piece of evidence as forgery by them.

[Sith Lord 13]

Mahmoud Ahmaqwqwerhyuhhad (in any way, I do not know how his name is spelled)

Mahmoud Ahmadinejad

[Derek_001]

im not even going to look at the site but i will tell u my grandpa was a SS general in 1943 n the höliczt was real but the reason for hitlers "death to all jüdenz" was well in the bible it states that when the earth comes to an end the jüdenz are the first that god will take with him insted of the chistians... Make sence now?

[Korashk]

im not even going to look at the site
It's Wikipedia...

but i will tell u my grandpa was a SS general in 1943 n the höliczt was real but the reason for hitlers "death to all jüdenz" was well in the bible it states that when the earth comes to an end the jüdenz are the first that god will take with him insted of the chistians... Make sence now?
No, just because one understands the reason does not mean that reason makes sense. There's also the point that the Holocaust involved more than Jews as Sage pointed out. The disabled, the black, and basically everyone not Aryan were killed.

[The Dark Lord]

Well, the people whoe deny the holocaust could have ulterior motives such as being german and having family members accused of being Nazis. They would want to deny the entire event thus negating any claim that their family had a hand in it.

That is complete nonsense, the Germans widely adknowledge the holocaust.

im not even going to look at the site but i will tell u my grandpa was a SS general in 1943 n the höliczt was real but the reason for hitlers "death to all jüdenz" was well in the bible it states that when the earth comes to an end the jüdenz are the first that god will take with him insted of the chistians... Make sence now?

Not really, No. I think the bible has been edited to suit Hitler. Just out of interest, you fit the criteria of Chris1474 (family involved) to deny the holocaust, do you?

[Severus Snape]

I get a bit angry at any obstinate fool who chooses not to believe something despite overwhelming evidence.

@ The Dark Lord

It is illegal to deny the Holocaust in Germany.

[The Dark Lord]

I get a bit angry at any obstinate fool who chooses not to believe something despite overwhelming evidence.

@ The Dark Lord

It is illegal to deny the Holocaust in Germany.

Yeah I know that's why I said they widely adknowledge it

[Azunite]

Correct me if I am wrong but I remember that Germany was found quilty for crimes against Jews during WW2 and they gave a lot of money to Israel right?

[Shenron]

That is complete nonsense, the Germans widely adknowledge the holocaust.

Yes, for the most part, my statement was not a fact, only a theory. You can not tell me that the reason I stated is not/ could not be a motive for denial. Now, I know that largely, the Germans accept that the holocaust happened, but I am sure that somewhere along the way this has be a motive for denial of the horrific events that took place.

On a second note, Holocaust deniers tend to reject any and all evedince that does not support their claim, something called "Confirmation Bias". Also, the research and evidence they use draws conclusions that are 99% false, rather than relying on conclusive, material evidence as those who believe in the holocaust do. And, the early begining of holocaust denial can be found in Nazi documents themselves. The Nazi policy that provided for the extermination of the Jewish people was entitled "Final Solution for the Jewish Question" This was written before the vast majority of the murders occurred, so it could be said that there was a plan to deny the genocidal actions taken by the Nazis from the start. There was also a French political group who were aiming to better their political standing by denouncing the validity of the accusations brougt against Hitler's Germany by the Soviet Union as "Stalininst atrocity propoganda" After all, Stalin was just as bad as Hitler, it's just his crimes for some reason are not prevalent in the history books. I guess it seemed like a good idea the them, but any educated person knows that the holocaust did happen.

[Rutherford The Brave]

I'll put it this way, if I walk into a room with an elephant, and the elephant and I make eye contact.....Are you going to tell me, that their isn't an elephant in the room?

[Severus Snape]

Yeah I know that's why I said they widely adknowledge it

I know, I was referring to those who don't. :)

[Continuum]

Mahmoud Ahmadinejad

Oh, thank you. :rolleyes:

[Zazu]

I can kind of conceive why people would believe it didn't happen but I personally believe it did.

Obviously, I'm in no state to refute / agree with numbers of people killed as it's something I know nothing about personally, but I still think it happened. I find it completely believable that someone could have so much fear / anger of a group of human beings that they would want to kill them. That concept is in action all around us all of the time.

[Suicune]

I just see those people as attention seekers who refuse to face reality.
But there's no way in Hell the dinosaurs went extinct.

[The Joker]

I believe that the United States government made it up.

[Zazu]

I believe that the United States government made it up.

OMG YOU CRAZY CONSPIRACIST. QUICK, EVERYONE HATE HIM FOR THIS AND SHUN HIM FOR THINKING DIFFERENTLY!!!

I know it's most likely a joke on your half Matt, but I like to highlight irony in modern society.

[Death]

But there's no way in Hell the dinosaurs went extinct.

This is a joke, right? Sorry, I just wanted to make sure.

[Suicune]

This is a joke, right? Sorry, I just wanted to make sure.

http://www.faprojects.com/img/gallery/02%20-%20Rondinone%20-%20HELL,YES!.jpg
If only sarcasm were visible in text.

[Continuum]

If only sarcasm were visible in text.

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[mrmcdonaldduck]

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Oh, and the holocaust happened, Anyone who denies it really has a problem with them, a good fix would be a long walk of a short pier. :P

[Amnesiac]

So, I think we all agree that people are capable of denying even the most common facts supported by absurd amounts of evidence (http://theflatearthsociety.org/cms/). Delusion is rampant in this world of ours.

Oh, and the holocaust happened, Anyone who denies it really has a problem with them, a good fix would be a long walk of a short pier. :P

That is one of the best expressions I've ever heard.

[Jean Poutine]

denying the armenian genocide isn't illegal.
denying the rwandan genocide isn't illegal.
denying the kurdish genocide isn't illegal.
denying i have pants on isn't illegal.

i'm not certain telling people what they can or can't say or believe in is that much more ethical. i view anti-holocaust denial laws as morally bankrupt enterprises. people should be free to believe in what they want and advertise that belief, even if it's completely wacko. you don't like it, you don't listen to it.

holocaust denial is not even "wrong", it's just a completely moronic belief often fueled by racial hate. but why ban some kinds of stupid and allow other kinds? either you ban all stupid or no stupid at all.

and the only correct choice is no stupid at all. let every person evolve through life following the path he/she wants.