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karl
December 10th, 2010, 11:30 AM
I'll never be part of these 'rent-a-crowd mindless students


Royal protection officers 'seconds from drawing their guns on mob' after Camilla was HIT in ribs by thug through car's open window



Prince's Rolls-Royce set upon on way to Royal Variety Performance


Royal protection officers were seconds from drawing their weapons after the Duchess of Cornwall was physically attacked by rioters, it emerged today.
Camilla was prodded in the ribs with a stick through the open window of their Rolls-Royce as she and Charles were driven to the Royal Variety Performance at the London Palladium.

One of the vintage car's windows was left open by mistake before the vehicle was surrounded by a snarling mob of rioting students and activists.
The car was kicked, rocked and hit with paint bombs as up to 20 demonstrators attacked it and chanted 'Off with their heads!' and 'Tory scum', leaving the couple visibly shaken.
One thug managed to lean into the car through the window nearest to Camilla, who was left terrified by the biggest Royal security lapse in a generation.
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Terrified: Camilla screams in fear as the royals' Rolls-Royce is attacked on its way to the Royal Variety Performance

Assault: Prince Charles holds Camilla's hand as they run the gauntlet of a baying mob in Regent Street

The Prince and Duchess were not hurt but the potential risk to their safety raised worrying echoes of the 1974 kidnap attempt on Princess Anne.

Met chief Sir Paul Stephenson this morning hailed the 'enormous restraint' of the team guarding Charles and Camilla, implying the rioters were lucky not to have been shot.

How did the anarchists get so close to Charles and Camilla?
Defacing the Cenotaph, urinating on Churchill... how young thugs at student protest broke every taboo


As serious questions were being asked about Royal security, Britain's top policeman condemned the 'hugely regrettable and shocking incident' but insisted proper procedure was followed.

Sir Paul said: 'I do think that the officers who were protecting their Royal Highnesses showed very real restraint - some of those officers were armed.

'Their priority was to get that car to the point of safety, which was the venue, and that was achieved, but it was a hugely shocking incident and there will be a full criminal investigation into it.'

He insisted that the route was 'thoroughly recced, including minutes beforehand. I think what you have to remember is the unpredictability of ... these thugs, in the way in which they were moving around London.'
The Met Commissioner promised there would be a 'full and thorough' investigation but stressed there had to be a balance between security and allowing the Royals to interact with the public.

'Short of locking everything down, then frankly we have to do our best to try and achieve that balance that facilitates that closeness with the public while still providing security,' he said.

'Yesterday was a very shocking incident but minutes beforehand that route was clear; a very unpredictable demonstration, a very difficult night.

A yob attacks the car as Camilla stares at him in horror. Up to 20 demonstrators took part in the violence while chanting 'Off with their heads!' and 'Tory scum'


The Met Commissioner today promised there would be a 'full and thorough' investigation into what happened last night
Dai Davies, the former head of Scotland Yard's royal protection squad, said Sir Paul must be 'embarrassed and surprised' at the security lapse.

NEW BLUNDER FOR ARISTOCRAT ROYAL PROTECTION COMMANDER

The security blunder that led to rioters attacking Charles and Camilla's car is not the first lapse under the watch of the current head of Royal protection.
Aristocrat Commander Peter Loughborough, 52, (pictured below) came under serious fire after Aaron Barschak gatecrashed Prince William's 21st birthday party in 2003.
His job was thought to be at risk after the incident which came just seven months after he was chosen to head the Royalty Protection Department.
In an earlier lapse, when Michael Fagan broke into Buckingham Palace in 1982, his predecessor Commander Michael Trestrail lost his post.
But father-of-four Commander Loughborough, whose real name is Peter St Clair-Erskine and is the seventh Earl of Rosslyn, survived the 2003 incident.
He is now billed as the Queen's favourite policeman and was last year handed the Queen's Police Medal for 'services to policing'.
Commander Loughborough was handed the job because he is deemed to have the social skills to move in aristocratic circles.
Educated at Eton and Bristol University, his privileged background is highly unusual for a police officer. He joined the Metropolitan Police in 1980 on the recommendation of a cousin in the force.
In his down time, he is a Crossbencher in the House of Lords - where he survived the cull of hereditary members by the Labour government. The Royalty Protection Department is made up of more than 400 officers, each vetted and recommended for the job.
He questioned why a different car had not been used or alternative routes to keep the Prince and his wife out of harm's way.

'Presumably someone must have told royal protection there was a demonstration of this sort and intelligence should have co-ordinated a better system,' he said.

'I'm sure my successor is looking very carefully at what went wrong and indeed how it must never happen again. It was an atrocious attack on their two Royal Highnesses and I'm appalled, frankly.'
Security analyst and former police officer Charles Shoebridge said: 'One can visualise a situation where police felt they had no alternative but to open fire. It wasn't potentially dangerous. It was dangerous.
'The police will need to look at this in great detail. They need a rapid and robust investigation to identify how it could have happened.'

He added: 'This is a very serious incident. It ranks amongst the most serious security breaches of the past decade.

'Some of the demonstrators yesterday were carrying petrol, specifically to use in arson attacks. If the can of paint had been a can of petrol, it would have been very different.'
The former intelligence officer condemned how Charles and Camilla were allowed to 'blunder' into the demonstration and questioned whether Scotland Yard had the right people in charge.

Today, the Prince and his wife hailed the efforts of police and expressed their gratitude but Clarence House refused to be drawn on the security lapse.

A spokesman said: 'Their Royal Highnesses totally understand the difficulties which the police face and are always very grateful to the police for the job they do in often very challenging circumstances.'
The Royal vehicle was ambushed by a 'steaming gang' of masked protesters, who attacked the car with their firsts, boots and bottles.
Photographer Matt Dunham, who captured Camilla looking aghast, said: 'It [the car] was unable to move because it was surrounded. It was stuck in a gridlock.

'There were people kicking it and screaming. So I raced towards it and then saw it was Camilla and Charles. Charles seemed to be waving calmly at first, trying to be amicable, but then he looked worried. Camilla was visibly agitated.'

One witness said Charles kept calm, gently pushing his wife towards the floor to get her out of the line of fire.

'Charles got her on the floor and put his hands on her,' said Adnan Nazir, a 23-year-old podiatrist who was following the protesters.

The Rolls Royce Phantom VI with a smashed window outside the London Palladium

A yob's handprint seen on the passenger side window of the Royal's car
David Cameron, who described the attack as 'shocking and regrettable', insisted lessons had to be learned and those responsible held to account.

'It's no good to say this was a very small minority. It wasn't,' he said. 'There were quite a number of people who clearly were there wanting to pursue violence and destroy property.

'I know that the Metropolitan Police Commissioner is going to be working hard to report on this. I also know quite rightly he will look into the very regrettable incident where the Prince of Wales and his wife were nearly attacked by this mob.'

The Prime Minister spoke to the Met Chief and Prince Charles' private secretary last night but he stressed the police were not to blame. 'It was the fault of the people who tried to smash up that car,' he said.

London mayor Boris Johnson hailed Charles and Camilla's 'great fortitude of spirit' and called for an end to the violent tuition fee protests.

He said: 'Clearly, it is very regrettable that in the heart of London, the heir to the throne can be surrounded by agitators and his wife can be put in a position where she's plainly alarmed.'
Charles and Camilla's journey began when they left Clarence House at approximately 7.15pm.
The couple's ordeal began as their limousine, escorted by three police outriders and an unmarked police car, turned into Regent Street from Piccadilly Circus.

At first they were seen talking happily and waving at passers-by. But then suddenly the crowd began to close in around them, swelled by student fee protesters who had run to the scene from the riot outside Parliament.

Bags of rubbish, traffic cones, bottles and plastic barriers from roadworks started to rain down on the Rolls-Royce, which was stopped in its tracks when a large bin was thrown in front of it.

Rioters, wearing balaclavas and scarves over their faces, surrounded the car, banging on the windows – one of which was open – and shouting ‘Tory scum’ and ‘off with your heads’. A lone policewoman tried desperately to clear the mob.

Camilla could be heard screaming as she gripped Charles’s hand. Terrified for her safety, she then dived on to the floor of the car. One witness said Charles pushed her down in an attempt to protect her.

The Prince, however, defiantly remained sitting in his seat and continued to wave at the crowd.
Defiled: The statues of two of Britain's greatest premiers, Lord Palmerston, left, who was in power almost continuously from 1807 until his death in 1865, and Churchill were targeted by the student demonstrators


Disrespect: Charlie Gilmour, son of Pink Floyd guitarist David, swinging from the Cenotaph

Riot police came under attack from flares as they clashed with protestors in Parliament Square
More police appeared and cleared the mob, allowing the car to continue its journey along Regent Street.

But shortly after it drove past Hamley’s toy shop, it was hit with a can of white paint that smashed a passenger window.

Following protection officers were said to have used the doors of their car to push protesters out of the way as the convoy continued through the melee.

Observers said as few as half of the yesterday's crowd of protesters were students, with a rent-a-mob of anarchists and other thugs taking control.

The clashes left 12 police officers and 43 protesters injured, and 34 people were arrested.

In the Commons, the Coalition was plunged into crisis as MPs voted to approve a rise in the university tuition fees cap from £3,290 a year to £9,000.

Three ministerial aides – two Lib Dems and one Tory – resigned as the Government’s majority of 83 was slashed to just 21, a quarter of its normal size.

In a blow to Nick Clegg’s authority, 21 Liberal Democrats including former leaders Menzies Campbell and Charles Kennedy voted against the Government.

Another eight Lib Dems abstained rather than back the plans, meaning the Deputy Prime Minister failed to get even half his 57 MPs to vote with the Government.
Mr Cameron’s authority was also undermined as eight Tories defied personal pleas to get in line.

Senior Government officials saw the rebellion either side of the walls of the Palace of Westminster as a grim portent of further protests to come at the Coalition’s cuts.
One senior figure said the Government will have to accept that up to 20 Liberal Democrats are now ‘virtually part of the opposition’ and will begin to align themselves with Labour rather than the weakened Mr Clegg.

Mr Clegg, who promised not to raise fees during the General Election campaign, denied he should feel ashamed for voting in favour of the policy.

‘I would feel ashamed if I didn’t deal with the way that the world is, not simply dream of the way the world I would like it to be,’ the Deputy Prime Minister said.

But Liberal Democrat MPs openly defied their leader. Greg Mulholland, who voted against the fees rise, accused him of ‘failing to listen’.

He said: ‘Sometimes governments are wrong and sometimes you have to have the courage to stand up and say so, that’s what I’m doing today.’


Blaze: A demonstrator adds to a bonfire as it burns in Parliament Square

A police officer covered in paint after being attacked by protesters
Tory backbenchers formed an unlikely alliance with Labour MPs to fire awkward questions at Lib Dem Business Secretary Vince Cable as he presented the plans to the Commons.

Flanked by Lib Dem leader Nick Clegg and David Cameron, Mr Cable was met with jeers as he argued that the new system of fees, repaid once graduates start earning £21,000, was ‘more progressive and more related to the ability to pay of graduates’.

During the heated five-hour debate, shadow business secretary John Denham said: ‘Most graduates will be asked not to pay something towards their university education, but to pay the entire cost of their university education.’
A 20-year-old student was left unconscious with bleeding on the brain after a police officer hit him on the head with a truncheon, his mother has claimed.
Alfie Meadows, a philosophy student at Middlesex University, was allegedly struck as he tried to leave the area outside Westminster Abbey during last night's tuition fee protests.

After falling unconscious on the way to Chelsea and Westminster Hospital, he had a three-hour operation for bleeding on the brain.

Susan Meadows, 55, an English literature lecturer at Roehampton University, said: 'He was hit on the head by a police truncheon. He said it was the hugest blow he ever felt in his life.

'The surface wound wasn't very big but three hours after the blow, he suffered bleeding to the brain. He survived the operation and he's in the recovery room.'

And now the clean-up: Council workers do their best to make good the devastation left by the student protesters



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See the wonderful photos of the cream of UK youth, the future of the UK, God helpl us! ^^


Of course Daddy's worth $100, so no worries for him

The son of Pink Floyd guitarist David Gilmour apologised today for climbing the Cenotaph during the student protests, saying he was 'mortified' by his 'moment of idiocy'.
Gilmour's son Charlie said in a statement that he would like to 'express his deepest apologies for the terrible insult to the thousands of people who died bravely for our country'.
The 21-year-old claimed he did not realise the monument was The Cenotaph - despite being a history student.



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Donkey
December 10th, 2010, 11:41 AM
This is only a VERY small percentage of the people involved in the protest, and guess what? The media follows THEM every step of the way, not those peacefully protesting. Don't buy it, there are so many of us against this but not being complete idiots about it.

Tristin.
December 10th, 2010, 11:43 AM
mindless, classless,animalistic, thugs. i say return higher education to being a priveladge, not a right.

as jon said, only some did do this. but it only takes one to spoil it for all

karl
December 10th, 2010, 11:50 AM
The son of Pink Floyd guitarist David Gilmour apologised today for climbing the Cenotaph during the student protests, saying he was 'mortified' by his 'moment of idiocy'.
Gilmour's son Charlie said in a statement that he would like to 'express his deepest apologies for the terrible insult to the thousands of people who died bravely for our country'.
The 21-year-old claimed he did not realise the monument was The Cenotaph - despite being a history student.

'Deeply sorry': Gilmour, who was privately educated, is pictured swinging from a Union Jack flag on the side of the Cenotaph
Pictures of Gilmour swinging from a Union Jack hanging from the monument on Whitehall sparked fury.

Defacing the Cenotaph, urinating on Churchill... how young thugs at student protest broke every taboo
How did the anarchists get so close to Charles and Camilla?
Defacing the Cenotaph, urinating on Churchill... how young thugs at student protest broke every taboo

Gilmour, whose father is worth £80million, said: 'I would like to express my deepest apologies for the terrible insult to the thousands of people who died bravely for our country that my actions represented.

'I feel nothing but shame. My intention was not to attack or defile the Cenotaph. Running along with a crowd of people who had just been violently repelled by the police, I got caught up in the spirit of the moment.
'I did not realise that it was the Cenotaph and if I had, I certainly would not have done what I did. I feel additionally mortified that my moment of idiocy has distracted so much from the message yesterday's protest was trying to send out.
'Those who are commemorated by the Cenotaph died to protect the very freedoms that allow the people of Britain the right to protest and I feel deeply ashamed to have, although unintentionally and unknowingly, insulted the memory of them. Ignorance is the poorest of excuses but I am sincerely sorry.'
Shame: Pink Floyd guitarist David Gilmour, with his wife Polly Samson and their son, Charlie, at Gilmour's 60th birthday celebration

Desecration: Gilmour scrambles up the side of the Cenotaph during yesterday's protests
David Gilmour's former bandmate Roger Waters lost his father in the Second World War and has written about his loss extensively throughout his career, including a number of Pink Floyd songs.

The moving track When The Tigers Broke Free chronicles an attack on the Royal Fusiliers by German Tiger tanks.

Waters' father, Eric Fletcher Waters, served in the Fusiliers and died during Operation Shingle.

On the track Waters describes how he found a letter of condolence from the Government. The song ends with his anguished cry: 'And that's how the High Command took my daddy from me.'

The cover of Floyd's album The Final Cut - on which When The Tigers Broke Free has been included - features a poppy and four Second World War medal ribbons.

Charlie Gilmour has been on the books of modelling agency Select Model Management and has also tried his hand as a journalist, but is now a history student at Girton College, Cambridge.

Protest: Charlie Gilmour during the demonstration in Parliament Square
He is the son of writer and journalist Polly Samson and his father is the poet and playwright Heathcote Williams, her first husband. He was later adopted by the musician when she remarried.
He grew up in the family’s £1.4 million farmhouse in Billingshurst, West Sussex.

After the protest Miss Samson wrote on her Twitter page: 'Son in a mess after day at protests. Battered and bleeding with smashed phone. Not making much sense. Am fearful.'

This afternoon she added: 'I am as ashamed of him as he is of himself.'
In an interview earlier this year, he talked about being bought two Savile Row suits before he headed off to university.

Rock star Gilmour is admired as one of the world's finest guitarists and his Floyd album Dark Side Of The Moon is one of the biggest selling releases of all time.

He fell out with Waters in the early 1980s but continued to tour and record under the name Pink Floyd while bass player Waters went solo.

Gilmour - who once donated more than £3 million to the homeless charity Crisis from the sale of a home - has also had a successful solo career.

The pair patched up their differences for a brief one-off Pink Floyd reunion in 2005 when the group played the Live 8 concert in Hyde Park. The pair teamed up again once more at a charity benefit attended by just 200 people in the summer.


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Tristin.
December 10th, 2010, 11:55 AM
vandalising churchils statue also. no respect among some people anymore, i know this sounds really stuck up, but this is a reason why the lower classes were never given rights, let them breed, work and thats it. this gets me soooo angry. BRITAIN IS BROKE!!!!! if labour hadnt been allowed to amas a 2 trillion debt, we would have to do this.

what will happen is the same as always, labour get us broke etc, tory bail everything out, get hated over it so becasue there is more of "them" labour get voted back in, its always the same

and lib. dem promised way to much, like milliband said, they promised too much and can only give little, its a tory majority, adn well i doubt lib dem would have ever got power anyway

The Dark Lord
December 10th, 2010, 12:54 PM
This is only a VERY small percentage of the people involved in the protest, and guess what? The media follows THEM every step of the way, not those peacefully protesting. Don't buy it, there are so many of us against this but not being complete idiots about it.

The fact that the Prime Minister made an address from outside No.10 saying it was more than a small minority, suggests the media haven't been exaggrating this time.

vandalising churchils statue also. no respect among some people anymore, i know this sounds really stuck up, but this is a reason why the lower classes were never given rights, let them breed, work and thats it. this gets me soooo angry. BRITAIN IS BROKE!!!!! if labour hadnt been allowed to amas a 2 trillion debt, we would have to do this.

I ignore the spelling and grammatical errors in the paragraph, but your point about the lower classes is both retarded and wrong. These were middle class students out there protests, not a group of miners. You say Britain is broken, surely the greatest crime of all is not being respectful of other social classes and being unable to write in basic english, two charactistics you have displayed above

what will happen is the same as always, labour get us broke etc, tory bail everything out, get hated over it so becasue there is more of "them" labour get voted back in, its always the same

Psst, Labour are getting blamed by the Tories for politcal reasons, look up Black Wednesday


and lib. dem promised way to much, like milliband said, they promised too much and can only give little, its a tory majority, adn well i doubt lib dem would have ever got power anyway

That's why they made the pledge in the first place! They didn't expect to be in power! Don't listen to Ed Miliband he's never going to be PM.

DrkZ90
December 10th, 2010, 11:13 PM
fucking terrorists. Seriously. Police should be granted permission to use firearms and "shoot to kill" against violent "protests" or any kind of protest that allows vandalism and anarchy.

People that do that don't deserve to even be called human beings, let alone being alive.

The Dark Lord
December 11th, 2010, 05:33 AM
fucking terrorists. Seriously. Police should be granted permission to use firearms and "shoot to kill" against violent "protests" or any kind of protest that allows vandalism and anarchy.

People that do that don't deserve to even be called human beings, let alone being alive.

No, just no.

Fact
December 11th, 2010, 06:01 AM
i know this sounds really stuck up, but this is a reason why the lower classes were never given rights, let them breed, work and thats it. this gets me soooo angry. BRITAIN IS BROKE!!!!! if labour hadnt been allowed to amas a 2 trillion debt, we would have to do this.


What you said has actually strengthened by belief that discrimination will never go away as long as there are prejudiced, stereotypical idiots in this world.
If you think everyone who is lower class is the equivalent to an animal and should be stripped of their rights, then YOU'RE the one that needs to have your rights taken away, because it's people like YOU that cause the most shit, treating a group of people unfairly based on assumptions when you only see a small percentage of them in close detail.
It's verging on sick.


fucking terrorists. Seriously. Police should be granted permission to use firearms and "shoot to kill" against violent "protests" or any kind of protest that allows vandalism and anarchy.

People that do that don't deserve to even be called human beings, let alone being alive.

This is almost equally wrong. It's not like these people are protesting over something small or insignificant, they're protesting because it's going to affect their whole lives. Fair enough some people take it a bit too far, but they're to be shot and killed for wanting to defend their own lives in the long term? I don't think so.

steve1234
December 11th, 2010, 09:23 AM
I'm really starting to hate this society I live in. Although we are one of the ricest countries on Earth, people are ungrateful for everything, and expect more and more.

Although it was a minority who carried out the pathetic and mindless vandalism/attacks on police/etc, the number of idiots who carried this out was very large.

Lets just hope the police have the balls to prosecute the bastards who attacked police and who vandalised the city I love. There is no doubt that most people in the UK have lost respect for students because of this, even though it was a minority who were immature brainless idiots.
Yes, there are student cuts, but what about in the NHS? You don't see doctors and nurses running about London destroying everything and attacking the royal family!

Jess
December 11th, 2010, 09:36 AM
My American History teacher said the same thing will happen here in the US in a few years...

The Dark Lord
December 11th, 2010, 09:41 AM
My American History teacher said the same thing will happen here in the US in a few years...

Not really, Americans already have to pay for their higher education

Sugaree
December 11th, 2010, 03:03 PM
The son of Pink Floyd guitarist David Gilmour apologised today for climbing the Cenotaph during the student protests, saying he was 'mortified' by his 'moment of idiocy'.
Gilmour's son Charlie said in a statement that he would like to 'express his deepest apologies for the terrible insult to the thousands of people who died bravely for our country'.
The 21-year-old claimed he did not realise the monument was The Cenotaph - despite being a history student.

'Deeply sorry': Gilmour, who was privately educated, is pictured swinging from a Union Jack flag on the side of the Cenotaph
Pictures of Gilmour swinging from a Union Jack hanging from the monument on Whitehall sparked fury.

Defacing the Cenotaph, urinating on Churchill... how young thugs at student protest broke every taboo
How did the anarchists get so close to Charles and Camilla?
Defacing the Cenotaph, urinating on Churchill... how young thugs at student protest broke every taboo

Gilmour, whose father is worth £80million, said: 'I would like to express my deepest apologies for the terrible insult to the thousands of people who died bravely for our country that my actions represented.

'I feel nothing but shame. My intention was not to attack or defile the Cenotaph. Running along with a crowd of people who had just been violently repelled by the police, I got caught up in the spirit of the moment.
'I did not realise that it was the Cenotaph and if I had, I certainly would not have done what I did. I feel additionally mortified that my moment of idiocy has distracted so much from the message yesterday's protest was trying to send out.
'Those who are commemorated by the Cenotaph died to protect the very freedoms that allow the people of Britain the right to protest and I feel deeply ashamed to have, although unintentionally and unknowingly, insulted the memory of them. Ignorance is the poorest of excuses but I am sincerely sorry.'
Shame: Pink Floyd guitarist David Gilmour, with his wife Polly Samson and their son, Charlie, at Gilmour's 60th birthday celebration

Desecration: Gilmour scrambles up the side of the Cenotaph during yesterday's protests
David Gilmour's former bandmate Roger Waters lost his father in the Second World War and has written about his loss extensively throughout his career, including a number of Pink Floyd songs.

The moving track When The Tigers Broke Free chronicles an attack on the Royal Fusiliers by German Tiger tanks.

Waters' father, Eric Fletcher Waters, served in the Fusiliers and died during Operation Shingle.

On the track Waters describes how he found a letter of condolence from the Government. The song ends with his anguished cry: 'And that's how the High Command took my daddy from me.'

The cover of Floyd's album The Final Cut - on which When The Tigers Broke Free has been included - features a poppy and four Second World War medal ribbons.

Charlie Gilmour has been on the books of modelling agency Select Model Management and has also tried his hand as a journalist, but is now a history student at Girton College, Cambridge.

Protest: Charlie Gilmour during the demonstration in Parliament Square
He is the son of writer and journalist Polly Samson and his father is the poet and playwright Heathcote Williams, her first husband. He was later adopted by the musician when she remarried.
He grew up in the family’s £1.4 million farmhouse in Billingshurst, West Sussex.

After the protest Miss Samson wrote on her Twitter page: 'Son in a mess after day at protests. Battered and bleeding with smashed phone. Not making much sense. Am fearful.'

This afternoon she added: 'I am as ashamed of him as he is of himself.'
In an interview earlier this year, he talked about being bought two Savile Row suits before he headed off to university.

Rock star Gilmour is admired as one of the world's finest guitarists and his Floyd album Dark Side Of The Moon is one of the biggest selling releases of all time.

He fell out with Waters in the early 1980s but continued to tour and record under the name Pink Floyd while bass player Waters went solo.

Gilmour - who once donated more than £3 million to the homeless charity Crisis from the sale of a home - has also had a successful solo career.

The pair patched up their differences for a brief one-off Pink Floyd reunion in 2005 when the group played the Live 8 concert in Hyde Park. The pair teamed up again once more at a charity benefit attended by just 200 people in the summer.


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Charlie...God damn it.

My American History teacher said the same thing will happen here in the US in a few years...

Your history teacher is wrong then. We already pay tuition fees for colleges here in the United States. Unless something drastic were to happen - say that all tuition fees were to be raised 5 percent annually not including room and board - then I could see protests. However, I do not see this happening in the next few years.

Tristin.
December 11th, 2010, 03:07 PM
What you said has actually strengthened by belief that discrimination will never go away as long as there are prejudiced, stereotypical idiots in this world.
If you think everyone who is lower class is the equivalent to an animal and should be stripped of their rights, then YOU'RE the one that needs to have your rights taken away, because it's people like YOU that cause the most shit, treating a group of people unfairly based on assumptions when you only see a small percentage of them in close detail.
It's verging on sick.

i also said that it was only a few who acted like this, not all should be treated this way, and not all act this way.

sorry if i offended you

The Dark Lord
December 11th, 2010, 05:40 PM
vandalising churchils statue also. no respect among some people anymore, i know this sounds really stuck up, but this is a reason why the lower classes were never given rights, let them breed, work and thats it. this gets me soooo angry. BRITAIN IS BROKE!!!!! if labour hadnt been allowed to amas a 2 trillion debt, we would have to do this.

what will happen is the same as always, labour get us broke etc, tory bail everything out, get hated over it so becasue there is more of "them" labour get voted back in, its always the same

and lib. dem promised way to much, like milliband said, they promised too much and can only give little, its a tory majority, adn well i doubt lib dem would have ever got power anyway

i also said that it was only a few who acted like this, not all should be treated this way, and not all act this way.

sorry if i offended you

At no point do you mention anything about a minority. Your sterotype remains wrong and idiotic and suggests that you won't need to worry about paying for tutition fees.

Fact
December 11th, 2010, 05:59 PM
At no point do you mention anything about a minority. Your sterotype remains wrong and idiotic and suggests that you won't need to worry about paying for tutition fees.

↑ his first post talked about minority, then the post I quoted from was simply ignorant and discriminative.

I agree with TDL. You're obviously not a person that cares about going to University, otherwise your views on the matter would be very different.

Tristin.
December 11th, 2010, 06:03 PM
i care about university, i just dont see why the protests had to go that far. if they are educated like they claim, why desecrate and vandalise the place?

Sage
December 11th, 2010, 06:25 PM
Good for those students. Society would be unbearably dull if we never tore the place up a bit every now and then.

Fact
December 11th, 2010, 06:28 PM
i care about university, i just dont see why the protests had to go that far. if they are educated like they claim, why desecrate and vandalise the place?

Because:

Good for those students. Society would be unbearably dull if we never tore the place up a bit every now and then.

Also, it's not like it's irreparable. They simply got a bit 'out of hand' because of the ridiculous connotations they were condemned with, so they probably thought 'why not just go for it?'.

DrkZ90
December 11th, 2010, 06:30 PM
What you said has actually strengthened by belief that discrimination will never go away as long as there are prejudiced, stereotypical idiots in this world.
If you think everyone who is lower class is the equivalent to an animal and should be stripped of their rights, then YOU'RE the one that needs to have your rights taken away, because it's people like YOU that cause the most shit, treating a group of people unfairly based on assumptions when you only see a small percentage of them in close detail.
It's verging on sick.




This is almost equally wrong. It's not like these people are protesting over something small or insignificant, they're protesting because it's going to affect their whole lives. Fair enough some people take it a bit too far, but they're to be shot and killed for wanting to defend their own lives in the long term? I don't think so.

you are naive if you think those bastards even give a fuck about what they say they are protesting about. They are just a bunch of anarchic terrorists, followed by a bunch of mindless idiots who go there to protest, but by doing nothing to stop the terrorists, are part of the problem.

I've seen them thousands of times, I've seen how they kill (or at least try to kill) whoever is on their way, and I've seen how they really only care about having a reason to protest.

I have as a rule that a protest or demonstration that forces people to join them or use any kind of violence or vandalism (be it graffiti, blocking roads, etc.) is a protest worth ignoring, or even fighting against, because it means it's nothing but yet another terrorist group trying to kill policemen.

Fact
December 11th, 2010, 06:38 PM
you are naive if you think those bastards even give a fuck about what they say they are protesting about. They are just a bunch of anarchic terrorists, followed by a bunch of mindless idiots who go there to protest, but by doing nothing to stop the terrorists, are part of the problem.

I've seen them thousands of times, I've seen how they kill (or at least try to kill) whoever is on their way, and I've seen how they really only care about having a reason to protest.

I refer you back to your own post, that anyone who vandalises should be treated inhumanely for their actions, basically on the same grounds as someone who endangers the lives of others, because they're 'not humans' if they cause damage - THAT is out of order.

Of course the majority care about what they're protesting about. If you think there's as many people as you claim who will go out of their way to cause trouble, then you're the naive one.

Again, I refer you back to your own post on murdering people for such actions.

Tristin.
December 11th, 2010, 06:41 PM
murdering for vandelism is a bit extreme, i only got angry for the fact they attacked the royals and vandelised churchils statue

Sage
December 11th, 2010, 07:41 PM
you are naive if you think those bastards even give a fuck about what they say they are protesting about. They are just a bunch of anarchic terrorists, followed by a bunch of mindless idiots who go there to protest, but by doing nothing to stop the terrorists, are part of the problem.

I've seen them thousands of times, I've seen how they kill (or at least try to kill) whoever is on their way, and I've seen how they really only care about having a reason to protest.

I have as a rule that a protest or demonstration that forces people to join them or use any kind of violence or vandalism (be it graffiti, blocking roads, etc.) is a protest worth ignoring, or even fighting against, because it means it's nothing but yet another terrorist group trying to kill policemen.

Everybody's a terrorist these days.

DrkZ90
December 11th, 2010, 08:06 PM
I'm sure none of you have seen what those "people" that "protest" are capable of doing, and I sure hope you never have to be in the middle of something like that, running for your life, to understand my point.

Sage
December 11th, 2010, 09:30 PM
I'm sure none of you have seen what those "people" that "protest" are capable of doing, and I sure hope you never have to be in the middle of something like that, running for your life, to understand my point.

"quotation marks"

The Dark Lord
December 12th, 2010, 05:51 AM
you are naive if you think those bastards even give a fuck about what they say they are protesting about. They are just a bunch of anarchic terrorists, followed by a bunch of mindless idiots who go there to protest, but by doing nothing to stop the terrorists, are part of the problem

No reasonable person watching the protests, could have reached the conclusion you have.

I've seen them thousands of times, I've seen how they kill (or at least try to kill) whoever is on their way, and I've seen how they really only care about having a reason to protest

I am 17 years old, the only other protest in Britain in my memory was over Iraq, to saw that you have seen them thousands of times, is idiotic

I have as a rule that a protest or demonstration that forces people to join them or use any kind of violence or vandalism (be it graffiti, blocking roads, etc.) is a protest worth ignoring, or even fighting against, because it means it's nothing but yet another terrorist group trying to kill policemen.

Your rule sucks. If you were being saddled with £50000 debt how would you react?

i care about university, i just dont see why the protests had to go that far. if they are educated like they claim, why desecrate and vandalise the place?

Clearly you don't or you would be capable of posting in recognisable english

Sith Lord 13
December 12th, 2010, 08:52 AM
No reasonable person watching the protests, could have reached the conclusion you have.

I don't think that's entirely accurate.

I am 17 years old, the only other protest in Britain in my memory was over Iraq, to saw that you have seen them thousands of times, is idiotic

He didn't say he was referring only to protests in Britain.

Your rule sucks. If you were being saddled with £50000 debt how would you react?

Not by rioting. Your debt for your entire education is less than the debt of many Americans for one year of schooling. You don't see us rioting over it.

Clearly you don't or you would be capable of posting in recognisable english

It's readable if not perfect. Hardly worth criticizing over. Also, if we're gonna nitpick, it's English, not english. The name of a language is a proper noun, and should be capitalized.

The Dark Lord
December 12th, 2010, 10:46 AM
I don't think that's entirely accurate.

If he seriously thinks Britain is on the verge of anarchy and that students should be considered terrorists, then he hasn't been watching the same protests as the rest of us

He didn't say he was referring only to protests in Britain.

I appreciate that but protests in different countries and for different causes aren't really comparable.

Not by rioting. Your debt for your entire education is less than the debt of many Americans for one year of schooling. You don't see us rioting over it.

The difference is that you know you will be paying for your education from the day you were born, students in England were given 3 weeks notice, hardly comparable. Also America is instinctively more right wing and smaller state than Britain. The rise in fees doesn't affect me, but if I was being told that my student debts were to treble I'd be pretty pissed off.

DrkZ90
December 12th, 2010, 08:39 PM
talking about the fact that if you are part of a violent protest, you are a terrorist period.

I've seen that thousands of times, I had to be there the day they killed a student because he didn't want to be part of their "group" any more. I've had to run for my own safety because a bunch of so-called students were protesting for whatever they felt like and thought that destroying everything they could see and hurdling rocks and molotovs to anyone who didn't want to help them.

That is no different to what these bastards did. And I sure hope you will never have to go through the same shit I have to realize that.

And for the record, I think once you are done with High School, your education should never be the state's problem. College-level education should not be paid by the state, it just fuels terrorists like those in these protests and gives them close to free education. College-level education should be only for those who really want to be productive, as such, more and better loans and scholarships should exist.

And come on, keep on deducting reputation from me, see if I care. I already have plenty of people who hate me, join the club.

Tiberius
December 12th, 2010, 09:23 PM
The difference is that you know you will be paying for your education from the day you were born, students in England were given 3 weeks notice, hardly comparable. Also America is instinctively more right wing and smaller state than Britain. The rise in fees doesn't affect me, but if I was being told that my student debts were to treble I'd be pretty pissed off.
When I was born, a 4 year private college education would run about $8,000-10,000 a year, now it costs $30,000-55,000 a year. Honestly, I'm going to have a debt close to $400,000 by the time I'm done with education and I can't pay for it now. Guess what I'm going to have to do; get a loan and pay for it without assaulting people even though it wasn't planned from my birth. You guys need to look at reality.

The Dark Lord
December 13th, 2010, 03:52 AM
When I was born, a 4 year private college education would run about $8,000-10,000 a year, now it costs $30,000-55,000 a year. Honestly, I'm going to have a debt close to $400,000 by the time I'm done with education and I can't pay for it now. Guess what I'm going to have to do; get a loan and pay for it without assaulting people even though it wasn't planned from my birth. You guys need to look at reality.

When I was born univerisity in Britain was free, now it will cost £36000. Also your fees have trebled over a 15 year period or so, England's fees have risen over a period of 3 weeks.

talking about the fact that if you are part of a violent protest, you are a terrorist period.

Not really, No. No-one was killed and apart from the Royals car and a few flags, there was no damage

I've seen that thousands of times, I had to be there the day they killed a student because he didn't want to be part of their "group" any more. I've had to run for my own safety because a bunch of so-called students were protesting for whatever they felt like and thought that destroying everything they could see and hurdling rocks and molotovs to anyone who didn't want to help them.

You are mistaking a gang for students here. If you had watched the protests, you would have seen nothing you have claimed to have witnessed personally.

That is no different to what these bastards did. And I sure hope you will never have to go through the same shit I have to realize that.

see above

And for the record, I think once you are done with High School, your education should never be the state's problem. College-level education should not be paid by the state, it just fuels terrorists like those in these protests and gives them close to free education. College-level education should be only for those who really want to be productive, as such, more and better loans and scholarships should exist.

How would you determine which students deserve an education and which ones would be jailed on the grounds of being a terrorist?

And come on, keep on deducting reputation from me, see if I care. I already have plenty of people who hate me, join the club.

Wasn't actually me, although I don't appreciate being told that I live in a country crawling with terrorists

Sith Lord 13
December 13th, 2010, 06:39 AM
When I was born univerisity in Britain was free, now it will cost £36000. Also your fees have trebled over a 15 year period or so, England's fees have risen over a period of 3 weeks.

Then why is no one arguing for incremental change? (Or are there people doing so I just haven't heard of? I don't watch British news too closely) If you have issue with speed, fight the speed, not the change.

The Dark Lord
December 13th, 2010, 12:59 PM
Then why is no one arguing for incremental change? (Or are there people doing so I just haven't heard of? I don't watch British news too closely) If you have issue with speed, fight the speed, not the change.

The students are poorly led and lack the political skill/influence to have any influence, what you are suggesting would be my tactic because the rise in fees is to tackle the deficit. The British Finance Minister intends for the deficit to be paid off by 2014, meaning if the students could hold of the rise until then, then the purpose of the rise would be eliminated

Tiberius
December 13th, 2010, 06:42 PM
When I was born univerisity in Britain was free, now it will cost £36000. Also your fees have trebled over a 15 year period or so, England's fees have risen over a period of 3 weeks.


How can I ram the fact that I'm going to be $400,000 in debt when I'm 26 years old through your head? I seriously don't have that kind of money, but unlike you, I would literally kill to get a 4 year post-secondary education for $55,000. STOP WHINING.

Number02
December 13th, 2010, 08:29 PM
Eh, students will be students.

Idc about the potential debt I will incur. Being a musician, I plan to either never have a job paying above £21, 000 PA, or move my wealth to Switzerland. Sorted :)

steve1234
December 15th, 2010, 10:03 AM
Not really, No. No-one was killed and apart from the Royals car and a few flags, there was no damage


Someone could easily of got killed. One protester had to have various operations, and many other protesters and police ended up in hospital.
There was no damage apart from the Royal's car and a few flags?? Are you serious? Most street furniture in the area was damaged, shop windows were smashed, various statues were graffitied and urinated on, cars driving through the area were damaged, bins set on fire, bus stops set on fire, and probably much more. The clean up from the protests cost around £100,000 to clear up, which taxpayers will have to pay for! Also all the police and street cleaners used for the protests meant that other areas were not policed or cleaned up!
And the Union Jack flags that the Pink Floyd son swung from were hanging from the Centograph, so they are more than just flags. Apparently he got arrested for that, as well as other protesters.

I don't really agree with the students damaging the city I love. If the damage was just to the area around Parliament and Parliament Square, I wouldn't of minded so much, as its a protest against the Government. Its unfair for any shops, cars, statues etc to be damaged, as that is not anything to do with the government!

And although the violence and vandalism has made these problems known to the whole of the UK, and even the world, students have lost the respect from a lot of people in the UK.

The Dark Lord
December 15th, 2010, 12:29 PM
Someone could easily of got killed.

There is a massive different between "could" and did

There was no damage apart from the Royal's car and a few flags?? Are you serious?

No I was joking, my sense of humour revolves around the Royal's car and a few flags, I can think of nothing more amusing

Most street furniture in the area was damaged, shop windows were smashed, various statues were graffitied and urinated on, cars driving through the area were damaged, bins set on fire, bus stops set on fire, and probably much more.

Take it you've never been to Glasgow on a Saturday night

The clean up from the protests cost around £100,000 to clear up, which taxpayers will have to pay for! Also all the police and street cleaners used for the protests meant that other areas were not policed or cleaned up!

Could we have a source for your figure please? The police were out on the street protesting members of the public? Good! I rather that than them sitting behind a desk fillling out a health and safety form because they broke wind in a squad car.

And the Union Jack flags that the Pink Floyd son swung from were hanging from the Centograph, so they are more than just flags. Apparently he got arrested for that, as well as other protesters.

He broke the law and got arrested, isn't that how it usually works?

And although the violence and vandalism has made these problems known to the whole of the UK, and even the world, students have lost the respect from a lot of people in the UK.

Who respected the students in the first place?

steve1234
December 15th, 2010, 03:43 PM
There is a massive different between "could" and did

It still could easily of happend though, and nearly did.


Take it you've never been to Glasgow on a Saturday night

Been to east London on a Saturday night?



Could we have a source for your figure please? The police were out on the street protesting members of the public? Good! I rather that than them sitting behind a desk fillling out a health and safety form because they broke wind in a squad car.

Well obviously I meant the Police officers and street cleaners being used to sort out the problems at the protest, and obviously didn't mean they were taking part in the protests.

Here is a source: http://news.uk.msn.com/articles.aspx?cp-documentid=155499077



He broke the law and got arrested, isn't that how it usually works?


Well done! That is how it works, yes. I was just stating the fact he did get arrested for it. Many of the idiots at the protests have not been arrested yet, and some probably never will.


Who respected the students in the first place?

A lot of people did, as many people are concerned with the cuts. If it was a peaceful protest, people would be more likely to sympathise with them, but now they have lost most sympathy.
I did respect them, and thought it was good they were protesting, but now I just think the protest was a complete disaster, and a lot of students are spoilt idiots.

Fact
December 15th, 2010, 03:49 PM
A lot of people did, as many people are concerned with the cuts. If it was a peaceful protest, people would be more likely to sympathise with them, but now they have lost most sympathy.


Those students did not want sympathy, they wanted something to be done. I don't recall anyone ever praising or approving the actions of students prior to this protest, they were just a nuisance that cluttered cities and occupied housing that could be used for local people.

I did respect them, and thought it was good they were protesting, but now I just think the protest was a complete disaster, and a lot of students are spoilt idiots.

What an awful stereotype. People who want to better themselves in further education are now spoiled idiots? Point taken, there are some who go to university simply for the experience and to get a dead-end degree, but it's not the general consensus on the definition of a student at all.

The Dark Lord
December 16th, 2010, 11:25 AM
It still could easily of happend though, and nearly did.


Again there is a massive different between "could" and did

Been to east London on a Saturday night? .


No.

Well obviously I meant the Police officers and street cleaners being used to sort out the problems at the protest, and obviously didn't mean they were taking part in the protests.

Here is a source: http://news.uk.msn.com/articles.aspx?cp-documentid=155499077
.

Surely this isn't being serious? Owning to the fact that I'm not mentally challenged I realised that the police didn't take part in the protests.


Well done! That is how it works, yes. I was just stating the fact he did get arrested for it. Many of the idiots at the protests have not been arrested yet, and some probably never will..


Some mass murderers never get arrested, I'd rather the police spent time catching murderers than twats.


If it was a peaceful protest, people would be more likely to sympathise with them, but now they have lost most sympathy.

Most people hate paying for things they don't use and most people hate students, why would anyone sympathise with them?

I did respect them, and thought it was good they were protesting, but now I just think the protest was a complete disaster, and a lot of students are spoilt idiots.

Protesting is a dumb idea, the decision had been made and the gov't would have lost crediblity backing down.

ShaneK
December 18th, 2010, 07:20 AM
I admit to not knowing as much as you guys. But they are protesting about the cuts in government spending that hit everyone, as well as student fees and debt. As with most trouble at protests it is the few.

goat
January 10th, 2011, 02:19 PM
i know this sounds really stuck up, but this is a reason why the lower classes were never given rights, let them breed, work and thats it. this gets me soooo angry.


Reading asignment: Tail of Two Cities.

And they wonder why we rebelled! {waves stars and stripes}

goat
January 10th, 2011, 02:29 PM
Not really, Americans already have to pay for their higher education

Not as much as the Brits are paying now. I'm paying around $1200 a semester now (getting basic stuff done in community college) and will pay around $2400 when I'm at the University of New Orleans. I hear Brits are paying as much as $14000 a year. Just another failure for socialism and victory for capitalism.

goat
January 10th, 2011, 02:30 PM
i know this sounds really stuck up, but this is a reason why the lower classes were never given rights, let them breed, work and thats it. this gets me soooo angry.


Reading asignment: Tail of Two Cities.

And they wonder why we rebelled! {waves stars and stripes}