Straight Edge

[Lasky]

By choice.

Anyone else Straight Edge?

I love it, it just saves so much trouble. I can have fun without drugs and alcohol. :D

[deadpie]

I think it's fucking dumb. Not every drug user uses to act 'cool' and 'hip'. People who call themselves straight edge also think they're above and better than people who use drugs. Who the fuck are you to say you're better than someone? You don't even know what the fuck that person has gone through or what lead them to drugs.

I mean, it's great that you don't use drugs, but is it really important to make a group about how cool you are because you're sober? It's just so fucking egotistical and rude.

[Jess]

I am but I don't say I am better than those that do it :S

[Lasky]

I'm not saying I am better than anybody, I'm just saying personally it's just better to not use drugs. I mean, I know problems can lead people to drugs, but I am strongly against drugs. MOST teens drink and smoke weed because it's cool. I'm not saying everybody does it for the same reason.

[Jenna.]

I am, but I don't put myself up on a pedestal for choosing not to drink or smoke. It's my personal choice, I just don't see how it's "fun." I used to drink once in a while (nothing HUGE though, just if I'd hang with certain people) but I realized it just wasn't for me and I didn't want to deal with it. Needless to say I don't hang with those people anymore; we have different interests.

[Lasky]

I am, but I don't put myself up on a pedestal for choosing not to drink or smoke. It's my personal choice, I just don't see how it's "fun." I used to drink once in a while (nothing HUGE though, just if I'd hang with certain people) but I realized it just wasn't for me and I didn't want to deal with it. Needless to say I don't hang with those people anymore; we have different interests.

Yeah exactly! I'm not saying I'm better than anybody. I'm saying my choices are better, thats obviously clear. But even the best of people can break sometimes. :/

[deadpie]

I'm not saying I am better than anybody, I'm just saying personally it's just better to not use drugs. I mean, I know problems can lead people to drugs, but I am strongly against drugs. MOST teens drink and smoke weed because it's cool. I'm not saying everybody does it for the same reason.

What's wrong with drugs? I really don't see the problem. Yeah, it might might harm your body and kill you. A user usually knows that they're facing death. They make you feel good and solve problems. If you're against drugs, you have to be against anesthesia too. Get it? Or is it only drugs that can make you think different? What's wrong with thinking different?

You cannot overdose on marijuana. You'd be surprised how many people think that it can kill you. It's not physically addictive. Most Psychedelics aren't addictive and are used in certain religions.

[Lasky]

What's wrong with drugs? I really don't see the problem. Yeah, it might might harm your body and kill you. A user usually knows that they're facing death. They make you feel good and solve problems. If you're against drugs, you have to be against anesthesia too. Get it? Or is it only drugs that can make you think different? What's wrong with thinking different?

You cannot overdose on marijuana. You'd be surprised how many people think that it can kill you. It's not physically addictive. Most Psychedelics aren't addictive and are used in certain religions.

Certain drugs are illegal for reasons. Let's be real, stop trying to defend drugs as being "not so bad" Anything from weed to heroine, it can still break up families and sever friendships. And as for your anesthesia comment, CERTAIN THINGS ARE ILLEGAL FOR CERTAIN REASONS. Anesthesia has no major risk, but it does benefit surgeons and dentists. Weed is no where near as bad as a lot of other drugs, but I still don't need it to live my life. Some drug users are depended on the substance. Sometimes going to the extreme. My dad is a druggie and an alcoholic, so don't go preaching to me "they're not that bad". Not until you walked a mile in my shoes. I'm sure you've had your bumps in your life, maybe you were affected by drugs in one way or another, and maybe you choose to cope with it by lighting up, thats your choice, and a stupid one at that. It's not worth it.

[Jenna.]

My dad is an alcoholic too. Trust me, I've seen firsthand how destructive that drug can be, which is why I'm staying away from it. :/

[Lasky]

My dad is an alcoholic too. Trust me, I've seen firsthand how destructive that drug can be, which is why I'm staying away from it. :/

Exactly. It's a shame that people have to go through a traumatic experience in order to better themselves. But hey, it does make you a better person in the long run :)

[YesterdaysNews]

Being "straight edge" is just another label. Drinking/drugs/sex are all personal choices, its stupid to label them.

[deadpie]

Being "straight edge" is just another label. Drinking/drugs/sex are all personal choices, its stupid to label them.

Ye.

Certain drugs are illegal for reasons. Let's be real, stop trying to defend drugs as being "not so bad" Anything from weed to heroine, it can still break up families and sever friendships. And as for your anesthesia comment, CERTAIN THINGS ARE ILLEGAL FOR CERTAIN REASONS. Anesthesia has no major risk, but it does benefit surgeons and dentists. Weed is no where near as bad as a lot of other drugs, but I still don't need it to live my life. Some drug users are depended on the substance. Sometimes going to the extreme. My dad is a druggie and an alcoholic, so don't go preaching to me "they're not that bad". Not until you walked a mile in my shoes. I'm sure you've had your bumps in your life, maybe you were affected by drugs in one way or another, and maybe you choose to cope with it by lighting up, thats your choice, and a stupid one at that. It's not worth it.

All because something is illegal doesn't mean it's a horrible thing and nothing can justify the reason of it. My parents were alcoholics and I'm a drug addict. Also, it's spelled heroin.

It breaks up families and friendships because people overreact and get into people's business. They try to tell you how you're such a horrible person for using drugs. They're the ones that break it up. Why should getting high to feel good be a bad thing for a family? It's just some stupid fucking taboo we created, like cursing. When it comes down to it, it's just an illusion.

[Syvelocin]

Certain drugs are illegal for reasons. Let's be real, stop trying to defend drugs as being "not so bad" Anything from weed to heroine, it can still break up families and sever friendships. And as for your anesthesia comment, CERTAIN THINGS ARE ILLEGAL FOR CERTAIN REASONS. Anesthesia has no major risk, but it does benefit surgeons and dentists.

Nitrous benefits dentists. It's fucking awesome to be under though and not illegal XD People still abuse it though.

I don't know, this thread irks me a bit.

My dad is a druggie and an alcoholic, so don't go preaching to me "they're not that bad". Not until you walked a mile in my shoes. I'm sure you've had your bumps in your life, maybe you were affected by drugs in one way or another, and maybe you choose to cope with it by lighting up, thats your choice, and a stupid one at that. It's not worth it.

Okay. Well, I haven't walked a mile in your shoes, no. But you know what? I was heavily addicted to morphine for a bit before I recovered. I went through withdrawal while I was already struggling with immunodeficiency. And right now, I'm engaged to be married to a cocaine addict. I was also taken care of by my aunt who was an alcoholic and heroin addict and lived with her for six years of my childhood.

I hate ramblings of the wise for this reason, because I get fired up. Okay. You're drug-free. Great for you. I'm not talking about the druggies who decide to get high cause it feels good without a thought of how it will screw them up, and continue to do so. They can annoy me sometimes also. However, until you see into the life of a drug addict in a different light than you probably saw into your father's... say, your own life or your significant other's life, when you're there holding their hair back as they throw up at 2:00 in the morning, and trying to get them to calm down as the sun rises... talk to me then.

[Lasky]

Ye.



All because something is illegal doesn't mean it's a horrible thing and nothing can justify the reason of it. My parents were alcoholics and I'm a drug addict. Also, it's spelled heroin.

It breaks up families and friendships because people overreact and get into people's business. They try to tell you how you're such a horrible person for using drugs. They're the ones that break it up. Why should getting high to feel good be a bad thing for a family? It's just some stupid fucking taboo we created, like cursing. When it comes down to it, it's just an illusion.

Oh yeah, its an illusion. When my uncle got high, he almost killed my baby cousin because he almost gave her two doses of children's tylenol. And sorry for the spelling mistake. If you call that an illusion, You're much more ignorant than I thought. And feeling good isn't a crime, its what you do when you're high that is a crime. I knew a kid once that punched his little sister in the face when he was high from WEED and had no memory of it when he came down.

Nitrous benefits dentists. It's fucking awesome to be under though and not illegal XD People still abuse it though.

I don't know, this thread irks me a bit.



Okay. Well, I haven't walked a mile in your shoes, no. But you know what? I was heavily addicted to morphine for a bit before I recovered. I went through withdrawal while I was already struggling with immunodeficiency. And right now, I'm engaged to be married to a cocaine addict. I was also taken care of by my aunt who was an alcoholic and heroin addict and lived with her for six years of my childhood.

I hate ramblings of the wise for this reason, because I get fired up. Okay. You're drug-free. Great for you. I'm not talking about the druggies who decide to get high cause it feels good without a thought of how it will screw them up, and continue to do so. They can annoy me sometimes also. However, until you see into the life of a drug addict in a different light than you probably saw into your father's... say, your own life or your significant other's life... talk to me then.

I'm glad you're clean now, and I'm not saying all drug users are bad people. My dad is a great person, he always has been. I just think it's better to not use drugs, and find another way to cope with trauma and pain.



[dont double post-Cloud]

[Jenna.]

Ye.



All because something is illegal doesn't mean it's a horrible thing and nothing can justify the reason of it. My parents were alcoholics and I'm a drug addict. Also, it's spelled heroin.

It breaks up families and friendships because people overreact and get into people's business. They try to tell you how you're such a horrible person for using drugs. They're the ones that break it up. Why should getting high to feel good be a bad thing for a family? It's just some stupid fucking taboo we created, like cursing. When it comes down to it, it's just an illusion.

Just wanna make a point here...the reason people get involved when it comes to someone who is an alcoholic (using that example b/c that's what I've grown up around with my dad & all) is usually because of how the person acts when they are using that drug. When my dad is drinking, he turns into a complete and utter asshole, starts verbally abusing everybody and generally acts nuts, which is why my mom wants nothing to do with him. There's no way we should have to put up with that. Especially considering he's in denial and doesn't think he has a problem.

[poindexter]

It is good to be safe. but it is also good to be adventurous and try things before shutting them out.

[YesterdaysNews]

Oh yeah, its an illusion. When my uncle got high, he almost killed my baby cousin because he almost gave her two doses of children's tylenol. And sorry for the spelling mistake. If you call that an illusion, You're much more ignorant than I thought. And feeling good isn't a crime, its what you do when you're high that is a crime. I knew a kid once that punched his little sister in the face when he was high from WEED and had no memory of it when he came down.

It was your uncle's decision to be around a baby when he got high. It's all choices. If you're going to get high, be responsible. It's not the drugs fault that the kid punched his little sister or whatever.

[deadpie]

Oh yeah, its an illusion. When my uncle got high, he almost killed my baby cousin because he almost gave her two doses of children's tylenol. And sorry for the spelling mistake. If you call that an illusion, You're much more ignorant than I thought. And feeling good isn't a crime, its what you do when you're high that is a crime. I knew a kid once that punched his little sister in the face when he was high from WEED and had no memory of it when he came down.

*facepalm*
You don't get what I mean by illusion. I didn't mean the experiences on it aren't real. Figure it out.

Someone could punch someone in the face over ANYTHING. So really, it's not as different. Also, sharing personal experiences isn't that convincing. Don't try to make people that use drugs seem like they're worse than any other living human being. Nobody get's to decide who is the better or the worse. We're all equal in my opinion.

There's a rapist, nazi, drug addict, child molester, and princess living in all of us. It's just most of us haven't explored it (yet). Most of us won't. But we all have that piece inside of us.

Also, there's many drugs that aren't illegal that can be abused. I was addicted to Xanax for a while. So that statement you made is invalid.

[Lasky]

It was your uncle's decision to be around a baby when he got high. It's all choices. If you're going to get high, be responsible. It's not the drugs fault that the kid punched his little sister or whatever.

Oh really? I don't think he would have punched her if he was sober. In fact, I know he wouldn't.

This is something I LOVE about drug users, they always try to justify themselves and give reasons why it's "ok". When it will never be ok. I'm fine if you get high, just don't interrupt other peoples lives with your non-sense.

[Lasky]

And this goes without saying, Drugs cause arguments among forum users. xD Whatever, I rest my case.

[Syvelocin]

I'm glad you're clean now, and I'm not saying all drug users are bad people. My dad is a great person, he always has been. I just think it's better to not use drugs, and find another way to cope with trauma and pain.

Not everyone HAS another way to cope. It's the same reason some people turn to self-harm, anorexia, etc. They have no other way. It's hard to understand in that light, why don't they find another coping mechanism? It's a little too complex.

Plus, I turned to hurting myself to forget about the past, not drugs. I'm depressed, so I'm going to do drugs? No, I'm going to get a therapist.

And this goes without saying, Drugs cause arguments among forum users. xD Whatever, I rest my case.

Well, you did post it in Ramblings of the Wise, hun. That's to be expected.

[deadpie]

Oh really? I don't think he would have punched her if he was sober. In fact, I know he wouldn't.

This is something I LOVE about drug users, they always try to justify themselves and give reasons why it's "ok". When it will never be ok. I'm fine if you get high, just don't interrupt other peoples lives with your non-sense.

You fool! You did not fully read her posts. It's the drug itself, not the person. And you're not fine is someone get's high obviously, because you had to join a stereotypical group to prove that you're cool without drugs, when ANYONE can not use drugs without joining a click.

We give reasons because this is Ramblings Of The Wise. You made the debate, expect people to debate back. Expect people to question things. And deal with it.

[YesterdaysNews]

Oh really? I don't think he would have punched her if he was sober. In fact, I know he wouldn't.

This is something I LOVE about drug users, they always try to justify themselves and give reasons why it's "ok". When it will never be ok. I'm fine if you get high, just don't interrupt other peoples lives with your non-sense.

That's not what I'm saying. I don't know the kid but if he was responsible he wouldn't have been around someone that he might've tried to hurt while high.
I'm not a drug user, I've never done them. I'm just saying your points aren't extremely credible.

[Andrew0017]

I'm straight-edge and proud. Wouldn't want it any other way.

[Lasky]

Not everyone HAS another way to cope. It's the same reason some people turn to self-harm, anorexia, etc. They have no other way. It's hard to understand in that light, why don't they find another coping mechanism? It's a little too complex.

Plus, I turned to hurting myself to forget about the past, not drugs. I'm depressed, so I'm going to do drugs? No, I'm going to get a therapist.



Well, you did post it in Ramblings of the Wise, hun. That's to be expected.

I know it's hard to cope with things, and you're right, It is hard to explain to someone who never saw drugs as a scapegoat. I pretty much talked out whatever problems I had with my friends.

[deadpie]

I'm straight-edge and proud. Wouldn't want it any other way.

You came into ROTW. You better justify your opinions and explain why.

I know it's hard to cope with things, and you're right, It is hard to explain to someone who never saw drugs as a scapegoat. I pretty much talked out whatever problems I had with my friends.

Thanks for proving how good you are at coping. If people are going to be against drugs, they might as well have groups against self harm, anorexia, and other habits. It's a way of coping. It may not be the best, but it works for people. So don't judge people by how they choose to solve their issues. You're no better or worse than anyone.

[Syvelocin]

I know it's hard to cope with things, and you're right, It is hard to explain to someone who never saw drugs as a scapegoat. I pretty much talked out whatever problems I had with my friends.

Drugs, like pretty much everything, is rightfully a valid coping mechanism. It might not be a healthy one, but we must recognise it as so. However, shooting up because your uncle raped you, or because your parents abused you... is not what I'm talking about. I'm talking about drugs as the problem, not the solution. But still, it's a coping mechanism, like everything can be.

[Philleeep]

I'm not saying I am better than anybody, I'm just saying personally it's just better to not use drugs. I mean, I know problems can lead people to drugs, but I am strongly against drugs. MOST teens drink and smoke weed because it's cool. I'm not saying everybody does it for the same reason.

I dont do it but i do dislike the fact that people get too miss lessons because they have had an over dose and in my school if you do one you do them all and for some reason their always the ones that try too cause trouble and cause hard against others for example ive had my head smashed against the floor because he took a little too much and the school did nothing even tho i was in hospital for a week or two, you should still be treated equal not different or special with easier exams and stuff and they get shorter lesson time, were all people why do we need to be treated different to people who do smoke, take drugs, over drink, its not fair, we do have a youth focus for people with these problems who actually do it for a reason and they have proper medical reasons too stay off fair enough to them but people who do it for no reason. there is only 2 people with reasons, 1 too do with family and another well basically he cant survive without them but its ridiculous that the other get treated like their special i mean we have a school for disabled people across the road and tbh these kids get treated better than the disabled. its just outrageous and tbh im not trying too offend anyone here but i don't see why you get extra special help when your doing it for no reason. now that's the end of my rant and i am happy too go against anyone who thinks other wise and btw im not one of those people who go round waving it in the air im too scared too and self concious anyways thats the end of that.

[Cloud]

Yeah exactly! I'm not saying I'm better than anybody. yes you are....
this proves it......
I'm saying my choices are better, thats obviously clear.
oh yea totally obvious there

Certain drugs are illegal for reasons.
Marijuana can be used in medical circumstances.
Anesthesia has no major risk,
http://www.articlesbase.com/personal-injury-articles/anesthesia-overdose-risks-and-medical-malpractice-2254011.html

read down last time i checked, death was major


but it does benefit surgeons and dentists.
so does nitrous oxide but thats still sold illegally and misused and abused

But hey, it does make you a better person in the long run :)
And learning to swim makes you a better person as well
you can say that about anything


Oh yeah, its an illusion. When my uncle got high, he almost killed my baby cousin because he almost gave her two doses of children's tylenol.
Oh and that couldnt have happened accidentally at ANYOTHER TIME EVER

You're much more ignorant than I thought.
be nice....

I knew a kid once that punched his little sister in the face when he was high from WEED and had no memory of it when he came down.

who said the WEED had anything to do with it, the kid mightve just been annoying as fuck



BOOZO SINCE 2005 peace out

[Lasky]

yes you are....
this proves it......

oh yea totally obvious there


Marijuana can be used in medical circumstances.

http://www.articlesbase.com/personal-injury-articles/anesthesia-overdose-risks-and-medical-malpractice-2254011.html

read down last time i checked, death was major



so does nitrous oxide but thats still sold illegally and misused and abused


And learning to swim makes you a better person as well
you can say that about anything



Oh and that couldnt have happened accidentally at ANYOTHER TIME EVER


be nice....



who said the WEED had anything to do with it, the kid mightve just been annoying as fuck



BOOZO SINCE 2005 peace out
Read that. Medical MALPRACTICE. That means some doctor didn't know what he was doing. If it was used properly, the chance is MUCH lower. Also, no, he doesn't hit his siblings. Just that time. And when I say punched, he literally PUNCHED her. And yeah, it is obvious. I never ever said "I'm better than you because I don't do drugs". OBVIOUSLY, choosing to not do drugs is better than choosing to do drugs. Anything else Cloud?

[YesterdaysNews]

Read that. Medical MALPRACTICE. That means some doctor didn't know what he was doing. If it was used properly, the chance is MUCH lower. Also, no, he doesn't hit his siblings. Just that time. And when I say punched, he literally PUNCHED her. And yeah, it is obvious. I never ever said "I'm better than you because I don't do drugs". OBVIOUSLY, choosing to not do drugs is better than choosing to do drugs. Anything else Cloud?

How do you know it wouldn't have happened at another time? ANYONE can break.

[Lasky]

How do you know it wouldn't have happened at another time? ANYONE can break.

Yeah, true, but I mean you can't not say the weed didn't have some role in that. I mean, I've hit my brother before. Hell, I punched out his tooth before. But he LOVES his little sister, and would never hurt her. But that day he did. And when I told him what he did, he flipped out on himself. It wasn't pretty.

[deadpie]

Read that. Medical MALPRACTICE. That means some doctor didn't know what he was doing. If it was used properly, the chance is MUCH lower. Also, no, he doesn't hit his siblings. Just that time. And when I say punched, he literally PUNCHED her. And yeah, it is obvious. I never ever said "I'm better than you because I don't do drugs". OBVIOUSLY, choosing to not do drugs is better than choosing to do drugs. Anything else Cloud?

Oh, so he didn't half punch, quarter punch, but actually punched her. Alright. You don't have to say "I'm better than you because I don't do drugs", your posts imply it.

His points were better than yours. And actually, you're wrong. Choosing to take chemo can be better than dying of cancer. Choosing to take pain medications for pain can help, but that same legal medication can be abused.



Yeah, true, but I mean you can't not say the weed didn't have some role in that. I mean, I've hit my brother before. Hell, I punched out his tooth before. But he LOVES his little sister, and would never hurt her. But that day he did. And when I told him what he did, he flipped out on himself. It wasn't pretty.

Then what you did just makes you worse then the kid that was stoned out of his mind. You had control over how you felt and still chose to hurt someone.

[Cloud]

Read that. Medical MALPRACTICE. That means some doctor didn't know what he was doing.
so if the doctor knew what he was doing then the patients would be fine
is that like when they risk older people who need operations but are at risk of the anaesthesia killing them? thats not malpractice, thats just bad luck

and if doctors know what they are doing to use them safely
why cant recreational drug users


If it was used properly, the chance is MUCH lower.
aah
much lower? but you said there was no risk before?
now your just twisting your words


Also, no, he doesn't hit his siblings. Just that time. And when I say punched, he literally PUNCHED her.
i dont hit my siblings
but if one of them starts pissing me the fuck off im much more tempted to
soooo cant blame drugs
the kid probably provoked him

And yeah, it is obvious. I never ever said "I'm better than you because I don't do drugs".
you pretty much think it though

OBVIOUSLY, choosing to not do drugs is better than choosing to do drugs.
ive just had flu type thing and i took some beechams 2in1 cough and flu thing
i think that was the better decision
still drugs bud

Anything else Cloud?
Yes im better than you:)

[Korashk]

I'm straight-edge
Okay

and proud.
Why? I'm "straight-edge" too, but I don't think it's anything to be proud of (I'm allergic to alcohol and too poor to afford weed). There's nothing inherently "wrong" with drugs and alcohol.

[Fiction]

What Cloud said.
Drugs is a coping mechanism. I'm glad for you that you had friends to talk to when you had problems but not everyone does. I've never turned to illegal drugs before but i've turned to alcohol. I also self harm and have an eating disorder. They are ALL coping methods and I used them when I had nothing else. You've obviously never been in that situation which isn't a bad thing, but until you have, please don't judge.

[Lasky]

Alright alright, This thread is getting heated. The real fact is nobody can ever know how the other side lives without being that person for a day. So all you people who flamed being straight edge, you don't know how it is. And as for me, I don't know how it is to be an addict. No more judging from me, I'm sorry if I offended anyone :D

[deadpie]

Alright alright, This thread is getting heated. The real fact is nobody can ever know how the other side lives without being that person for a day. So all you people who flamed being straight edge, you don't know how it is. And as for me, I don't know how it is to be an addict. No more judging from me, I'm sorry if I offended anyone :D

You started the topic in a debate section. You should of expected this.

[Syvelocin]

All threads in ROTW get heated, that's why I usually resist coming in here ^_^

I don't know, there are a lot of strange or indulgent things I've never done. I just don't find it in me to critique others who do those things. I don't say anything because then a two-page arguement comes up.

[Fiction]

My reply wasn't heated, just my oppinion. I was straight edge once too. So I do know what it's like. Things in my life changed and so did what I needed to do to deal with them. The point you made about not knowing what it's like being another person is the point I was trying to make.
Of course I don't know what it's like to be on illegal drugs but I know what it's like to be addicted what with self harm and eating disorders, and I know what it's like to use a drug to escape what with alcohol and cigarettes.

[Lasky]

You started the topic in a debate section. You should of expected this.

Yeah yeah, true that.

All threads in ROTW get heated, that's why I usually resist coming in here ^_^

I don't know, there are a lot of strange or indulgent things I've never done. I just don't find it in me to critique others who do those things. I don't say anything because then a two-page arguement comes up.

And it did xD

Why can't weeee be friends, why can't weeee be friends.

[Church]

Everybody has a choice in life in my opinion, if you wanna do drugs or drink its yours life, we should be allowed to enjoy it. If a teenager wants to go home and take troubles off his mind with a shot or two thats all good, alcoholism and drug addicts is a different story thought.

Either way being straight edge, and this is a example from my school, isn't something to walk like your better than others over. But I know not all straight edges are like that.

[Peace God]

If someone doesn't do drugs, good for them.
But if your part of the "straight edge" group and you think you're cool because of it, then i just think it's fucking retarded. It's absolutely nothing to be proud of and stupid reason to look down at other people.

Your generalizations toward drug users and blaming weed for violence seem extremely dumb. It reminds me of this clip...
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[Sage]

I think there's an egotistical problem in our society when people start looking to things they haven't done to be proud of themselves for instead of things they have done.

[Amnesiac]

I've never heard of this "straight edge" movement before, but it sounds fucking retarded. I understand people who simply don't want to do drugs, I'm one of those people. But it's not something to be made into a "moral movement" and exploited. "Oh, drugs are illegal, that must mean they're bad!" You know what's also illegal in some places? Gay marriage. I bet you wouldn't say that's "bad".

I have friends who smoke weed because it alleviates their stress. I have no problem with them doing it. I, personally, don't want to try drugs, but that's because I promised my parents I wouldn't — it's a trust thing, not some moral obligation because I think I'm a "cleaner person" if I don't do it.

Also:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/9c/Rational_scale_to_assess_the_harm_of_drugs_(mean_physical_harm_and_mean_dependen ce).svg

[Peace God]

Image (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/9c/Rational_scale_to_assess_the_harm_of_drugs_(mean_physical_harm_and_mean_dependen ce).svg)
Ahh, Justin's good ol' chart.

[Amnesiac]

Ahh, Justin's good ol' chart.

Of course :P it never fails to disprove propaganda everywhere.

[Sogeking]

Also:

Image (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/9c/Rational_scale_to_assess_the_harm_of_drugs_(mean_physical_harm_and_mean_dependen ce).svg)

Strange, I cant seem to pull out that chart you posted:confused:

Anywho I am straight edge but I dont brag about it

[CaptainObvious]

Thanks for proving how good you are at coping. If people are going to be against drugs, they might as well have groups against self harm, anorexia, and other habits. It's a way of coping. It may not be the best, but it works for people. So don't judge people by how they choose to solve their issues. You're no better or worse than anyone.

Without subscribing to the judgmental attitude inherent in people who walk around talking about being straight edge as if it's some remarkable accomplishment (or an accomplishment at all, really), your argument here is slightly ridiculous. If anorexia or self harm were enjoyable reacreational activities and not exclusively a sign of underlying problems requiring a coping mechanism, there would be groups against them. As it is, while many people using drugs are in the same unfortunate position of addiction as you, many are not, which is the source of much of the judgment. And even for you and others who use it to cope, that fact alone does not insulate it from being a bad idea. Drugs are indisputably a bad way to cope. I don't rock around judging people for it, but it's far from the most illogical thing for which to judge someone.

[Sith Lord 13]

Yeah exactly! I'm not saying I'm better than anybody. I'm saying my choices are better, thats obviously clear. But even the best of people can break sometimes. :/

Bolded sentence directly contradicts sentence before it. Also, condescension isn't usually conducive to a good discussion.

Certain drugs are illegal for reasons.

Just like homosexuality, right?

Let's be real, stop trying to defend drugs as being "not so bad" Anything from weed to heroine, it can still break up families and sever friendships.

Because people are judgmental.

And as for your anesthesia comment, CERTAIN THINGS ARE ILLEGAL FOR CERTAIN REASONS. Anesthesia has no major risk, but it does benefit surgeons and dentists.

Weed benefits, everything benefits. It's just a measure of benefit versus cost.

Weed is no where near as bad as a lot of other drugs, but I still don't need it to live my life. Some drug users are depended on the substance. Sometimes going to the extreme.

It's not the drug that's at fault for that.

My dad is a druggie and an alcoholic, so don't go preaching to me "they're not that bad". Not until you walked a mile in my shoes. I'm sure you've had your bumps in your life, maybe you were affected by drugs in one way or another, and maybe you choose to cope with it by lighting up, thats your choice, and a stupid one at that. It's not worth it.

It may not have been worth it in your father's case, but what's to say it is not worth it for other people?

Just wanna make a point here...the reason people get involved when it comes to someone who is an alcoholic (using that example b/c that's what I've grown up around with my dad & all) is usually because of how the person acts when they are using that drug. When my dad is drinking, he turns into a complete and utter asshole, starts verbally abusing everybody and generally acts nuts, which is why my mom wants nothing to do with him. There's no way we should have to put up with that. Especially considering he's in denial and doesn't think he has a problem.

Hate to break it to you, but it's not the booze that's "doing that" to your father. He's just an ass who fakes being nice when he's not drinking. Alcohol doesn't make people mean. It just lets people be who they really are.

Oh really? I don't think he would have punched her if he was sober. In fact, I know he wouldn't.

All it did was let him do what he really wanted to do.

This is something I LOVE about drug users, they always try to justify themselves and give reasons why it's "ok". When it will never be ok. I'm fine if you get high, just don't interrupt other peoples lives with your non-sense.

A) You're the one who made this thread, you're the one "interrupting people's lives with your "nonsense". It's not the drugs that cause problems. It's what people do, which is only tangentially related to the drugs.

I'm straight-edge and proud. Wouldn't want it any other way.

Doing it is fine, but unless you're regularly being put in a position where it's difficult to not do it, it's nothing to be proud of. Should I be proud of never having hit someone while driving? No, you should be proud of real accomplisments, that is, things it's difficult to do.

[The Dark Lord]

MOST teens drink and smoke weed because it's cool.

Normally I would ask for a source, but that claim is so idiotic you won't find one, so I won't bother asking

I'm not saying I'm better than anybody. I'm saying my choices are better, thats obviously clear.

You are aware that statement contradicts itself?

And this goes without saying, Drugs cause arguments among forum users. xD Whatever, I rest my case.

civil rights caused arguments in the 1960s, should they have remained a taboo subject?


Anywho I am straight edge but I dont bag about it

Good work, make sure you never bag about it!

[Sogeking]

Good work, make sure you never bag about it!

Lol! Oops I mean't brag :P

[Lasky]

I would just like to state I don't ever brag about being straight edge, nor do I believe I'm better than any one person.

[The Dark Lord]

I would just like to state I don't ever brag about being straight edge, nor do I believe I'm better than any one person.

This thread is littered with you bragging about your better choices

[Lasky]

This thread is littered with you bragging about your better choices

Yes, because you can see me bragging through the internet. Be realistic.

[The Dark Lord]

Yes, because you can see me bragging through the internet. Be realistic.

There is more than 1 way of bragging, I can see what you have written here and you are, falsely, taking the moral high ground. You don't think drinking is acceptable and that's old fashioned and unrealistic in the 21st century, simple as that.

[Andrew0017]

You came into ROTW. You better justify your opinions and explain why.

I personally view underage or illegal (depending on what we are talking about here) drug use/alcohol consumption to be wrong. It's harmful to your body and I have no interest in getting involved with any of it. I shouldn't need drugs and/or alcohol to have a good time. If someone else wants to drink, smoke, or do drugs, then that's their choice. I'm not calling them a bad person for doing so. I just don't see the fun in it.

[Lasky]

There is more than 1 way of bragging, I can see what you have written here and you are, falsely, taking the moral high ground. You don't think drinking is acceptable and that's old fashioned and unrealistic in the 21st century, simple as that.

And? How is that bragging? Because I think alcohol is stupid doesn't have ANYTHING to do with bragging.

[The Dark Lord]

And? How is that bragging? Because I think alcohol is stupid doesn't have ANYTHING to do with bragging.

You described your choices as better, could you explain why they are better please?

[Lasky]

You described your choices as better, could you explain why they are better please?

Whats better, doing drugs, or not doing drugs? Health wise, what's better?

[Cloud]

Whats better, doing drugs, or not doing drugs? Health wise, what's better?

Chemotherapy
http://www.health.com/health/article/0,,20410287,00.html
http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/21478144/ns/today-today_health/
http://health.ninemsn.com.au/whatsgoodforyou/theshow/694576/is-a-glass-of-red-wine-a-day-good-for-you
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/3266819.stm
http://www.fitsugar.com/Health-Benefits-Drinking-Guinness-Really-Good-You-7709620
http://benefitof.net/benefits-of-guinness/

[Jenna.]

Hate to break it to you, but it's not the booze that's "doing that" to your father. He's just an ass who fakes being nice when he's not drinking. Alcohol doesn't make people mean. It just lets people be who they really are.





I agree with the statement that I made bold. He is an asshole which is why I hate being around him.
I see what you're saying about his personality being like that, however, the alcohol isn't helping the situation at all. It's definitely gotten worse in the past few years because he has increased his consumption of alcohol. My other family members (his siblings, my mom, etc) have told me he's never been this bad. His father - my grandfather - is also an alcoholic. Alcohol destroys your body, and you can see that just by looking at him.
Now, I'm not bashing alcohol, there's nothing wrong with drinking socially and responsibly. But alcoholism is a disease, which is unfortunately what he suffers from. http://www.articlesbase.com/addictions-articles/before-you-take-another-sip-learn-how-alcohol-destroys-your-body-726525.html

[Andrew0017]

I agree with the statement that I made bold. He is an asshole which is why I hate being around him.
I see what you're saying about his personality being like that, however, the alcohol isn't helping the situation at all. It's definitely gotten worse in the past few years because he has increased his consumption of alcohol. My other family members (his siblings, my mom, etc) have told me he's never been this bad. His father - my grandfather - is also an alcoholic. Alcohol destroys your body, and you can see that just by looking at him.
Now, I'm not bashing alcohol, there's nothing wrong with drinking socially and responsibly. But alcoholism is a disease, which is unfortunately what he suffers from. http://www.articlesbase.com/addictions-articles/before-you-take-another-sip-learn-how-alcohol-destroys-your-body-726525.html

I hate to seem like one of those immature little trolls who jumps and gets in the middle of someone else's debate...but I just want to make one comment and one comment only...having interacted with her father many times in real life, I have seen firsthand how much he changes when he is drunk. When sober, he is a nice guy. We get along, and I can honestly say I like him as a person. But when that first drop of alcohol enters his system, he turns completely psycho and irrational. Nobody can talk to him without it turning into a shouting match. It's almost as if he is possessed by some sort of monster, for lack of a better example. He needs to get help, and yet he doesn't want to to admit that he does. So, yes alcohol may help to bring out someone's true colors, but there is no denying that it cannot be capable of worsening a person's mood and making them act in a way that they normally would not if they were consciously aware of what they are doing. (I'm guessing that's where the term "angry drunk" comes from.)

[Sith Lord 13]

Whats better, doing drugs, or not doing drugs? Health wise, what's better?

Quite dependent on the drug and the dosage.


I agree with the statement that I made bold. He is an asshole which is why I hate being around him.

Yeah. That does suck, and I'm sorry you have to put up with him.

I see what you're saying about his personality being like that, however, the alcohol isn't helping the situation at all. It's definitely gotten worse in the past few years because he has increased his consumption of alcohol. My other family members (his siblings, my mom, etc) have told me he's never been this bad. His father - my grandfather - is also an alcoholic. Alcohol destroys your body, and you can see that just by looking at him.

It's possible he's increased his alcohol consumption in response to whatever it is in his life that is also making him nasty. Using alcohol as a means of self medicating.

Now, I'm not bashing alcohol, there's nothing wrong with drinking socially and responsibly. But alcoholism is a disease, which is unfortunately what he suffers from. http://www.articlesbase.com/addictions-articles/before-you-take-another-sip-learn-how-alcohol-destroys-your-body-726525.html

Well yeah, but straight edge disagrees with social drinking, etc.

[The Dark Lord]

Whats better, doing drugs, or not doing drugs? Health wise, what's better?

depends on the drug and context. What right do you have to judge anyone's use of drugs?

[Lasky]

I would also like to clarify, by "drugs" I mean STREET DRUGS. Not medicinal drugs.

[Jenna.]

Quite dependent on the drug and the dosage.



Yeah. That does suck, and I'm sorry you have to put up with him.



It's possible he's increased his alcohol consumption in response to whatever it is in his life that is also making him nasty. Using alcohol as a means of self medicating.



Well yeah, but straight edge disagrees with social drinking, etc.

Yeah that's exactly what he does. He suffers from bad anxiety and my mom and I have talked about why he could possibly turn to alcohol all the time and that would make sense. Oh well, I only have another year or two of dealing with that drama.
Oops I forgot to add I meant when someone is of age...I don't agree with underage drinking so I guess one could call me a straight edge in that respect, (I will admit I have done it once before but I am not proud of myself for doing so, it was a "peer pressure moment," hence why I haven't done it since) but I think there is a big difference between an adult choosing to have one or two drinks and going overboard.

[Amnesiac]

I would also like to clarify, by "drugs" I mean STREET DRUGS. Not medicinal drugs.

Refer to my chart then:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/9c/Rational_scale_to_assess_the_harm_of_drugs_(mean_physical_harm_and_mean_dependen ce).svg/500px-Rational_scale_to_assess_the_harm_of_drugs_(mean_physical_harm_and_mean_dependen ce).svg.png

VT, you need to start paying attention to the chart.

[Cloud]

I would also like to clarify, by "drugs" I mean STREET DRUGS. Not medicinal drugs.
Well you still have this to explain
if alcohols bad why did these appear?

http://www.health.com/health/article/0,,20410287,00.html
http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/21478144/ns/today-today_health/
http://health.ninemsn.com.au/whatsgoodforyou/theshow/694576/is-a-glass-of-red-wine-a-day-good-for-you
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/3266819.stm
http://www.fitsugar.com/Health-Benefits-Drinking-Guinness-Really-Good-You-7709620
http://benefitof.net/benefits-of-guinness/

[Lasky]

Well you still have this to explain
if alcohols bad why did these appear?

Alcohol is bad if you have too much, but over time it does eat away at your liver, and your muscle mass.

http://www.acefitness.org/fitfacts/fitfacts_display.aspx?itemid=2636
http://digestive.niddk.nih.gov/ddiseases/pubs/cirrhosis_ez/
http://www.modernghana.com/columnnews/292860/1/what-damages-the-liver.html

EDIT: It can be good for you in moderation, problem is, most of the population doesn't drink in moderation.

http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/series/sr_10/sr10_249.pdf
http://www.about-alcohol-abuse.com/Alcohol_Abuse_Statistics.html

[dmeek7]

I don't consider myself "straitedge" even though I have vowed not do to drugs. I PERSONALLY feel that drugs are wrong when they are used in abusive situations (smoking weed just because you can and you think your cool when you do it, and drinking beer and getting s&*t faced wasted to impress your friends, etc). When they are used for medicinal treatments (medicinal marajuana, chemo treatments, laughing gas) I beleive it is ok as long as the person getting the treatment is not abusing their condition for the drug (marajuana).
I like debate because both sides have good points and bad points. Lasky has some good points, and some bad points as well as deadpie had good and bad points. Both sides of this debate has some well thought out logic and reasoning.
Even though I personally am against abusive drug use, I do not have anything against people who use drugs of any form. It is their body, their life, their decision. who would i be to tell them it is wrong to do drugs?
For anybody that is currently addicted to drugs, or uses drugs, I say: "It's your life, and body. Do what you want with it."

As long as drug use does not affect my life in anyway, shape, or form (drunk driver kills a family member or friend of mine, Person hyped up on steroids gets angry and has a roid rage attack on someone i know, etc) I won't have anything against anybody who is using drugs.

I am above the influence and I am happy with my choice.

[Sage]

I am above the influence and I am happy with my choice.

And that's good for you, but using a catch-phrase or slogan like that only makes you sound smug. Choosing to do drugs doesn't mean your under some sort of peer-pressure or media-based influence (I assume that's what you meant in that context), it just means you chose to do something that may hurt you but feels good.

Drugs aside, a lot of things in life that feel good can hurt you.

[The Joker]

Whats better, doing drugs, or not doing drugs? Health wise, what's better?

Mental health? Sometimes drugs can be better for relaxation, sometimes it can make it worse.

Physical health? Well, if you're going through painful chemo, they often prescribe marijuana to relax you/take away the pain.

Oh really? I don't think he would have punched her if he was sober. In fact, I know he wouldn't.

This is something I LOVE about drug users, they always try to justify themselves and give reasons why it's "ok". When it will never be ok. I'm fine if you get high, just don't interrupt other peoples lives with your non-sense.

First paragraph: How do you know he wouldn't?

Second paragraph: Maybe it is fine. Maybe it takes someone with actual personal experience to tell you that it isn't as messed up as others try and make it seem. How does getting high interrupt other peoples lives, other than a homeless person asking for drug money?

Straight edge pisses me off. You aren't lifting a single finger, yet you feel accomplished. It's the same for "conformists" and "anti-conformists". You feel proud to be a group of people, yet in one or both of the groups, you don't need to do a single physical thing to be part of that group.

[Bath]

I'm in an in-between. I don't necessarily go out LOOKING for drugs and alcohol, but I don't avoid it (actually, I'll never do any other drugs than weed.) But if I'm around people I trust and it happens to be there, I'll think about the consequences and if the pros are worth the cons, then I might do it. But for the most part I'm pretty clean, I haven't done any of that shit since 8th grade. Most of my friends are straight-edge.

[The Dark Lord]

I like debate because both sides have good points and bad points. Lasky has some good points, and some bad points as well as deadpie had good and bad points. Both sides of this debate has some well thought out logic and reasoning.

Actually Lasky has falsely gained the moral high ground and is attempting to look down of us junkies and alcoholics unable to control ourselves

I am above the influence and I am happy with my choice.

Nice slogan, patronising yet preachy.

[Amnesiac]

I don't think one can use the term "above the influence" and still maintain that they're not bragging. "Above" obviously implies that one has taken the "better" path in life and, unless I'm seriously mistaken, that's bragging.

[Cloud]

Alcohol is bad if you have too much, but over time it does eat away at your liver, and your muscle mass.

http://www.acefitness.org/fitfacts/fitfacts_display.aspx?itemid=2636
http://digestive.niddk.nih.gov/ddiseases/pubs/cirrhosis_ez/
http://www.modernghana.com/columnnews/292860/1/what-damages-the-liver.html

EDIT: It can be good for you in moderation, problem is, most of the population doesn't drink in moderation.

http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/series/sr_10/sr10_249.pdf
http://www.about-alcohol-abuse.com/Alcohol_Abuse_Statistics.html

And that is their stupid fault
your talking about the substance as bad
but its not the substance, since it has medical benefits to it
its just the people, like that doctor with the malpractice thing?
yea its like that

next failed counterargument please

[Korashk]

EDIT: It can be good for you in moderation, problem is, most of the population doesn't drink in moderation.

http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/series/sr_10/sr10_249.pdf
http://www.about-alcohol-abuse.com/Alcohol_Abuse_Statistics.html
Source for ""most of the population doesn't drink in moderation?" You've cited a 250+ page CDC document that isn't even about alcohol and a website that says ~10% of the American population drink in excess. Hardly substantiation for your claim.

[CaptainObvious]

Source for ""most of the population doesn't drink in moderation?" You've cited a 250+ page CDC document that isn't even about alcohol and a website that says ~10% of the American population drink in excess. Hardly substantiation for your claim.

"In moderation" with respect to alcohol being beneficial to one's health means 1 to 1.5 drinks each day. Not a drop more, or it turns from beneficial to bad for one's health. And few people who drink are able to consistently drink only 1 to 1.5 drinks per day without frequently going over, so he's more or less correct.

In the more general sense of "in moderation" I make no claims.

[Shenron]

Well, I see I am a bit late to this party...

If I am not mistaken, many Straight Edge people also abstain from tobacco and caffine...

On the subject of drugs/alchohol being bad for you.
a.) Yes, the drugs do have an effect on people, but it depends on the person as to how much that effect it. If used in moderation, drugs can actually help people. I know weed has saved my life a number of times. By "in moderation" I mean that you don't get high as a damn kite or blazed out of you mind.
b.) Alchohol is good for you, to an extent, there are many people who can drink like a fish when they want to and then not touch a drop of alchohol for a year, there are also people who get drunk once, and are hooked forever. Again, it isn't all the alchohol's fault, the person must shoulder the majority of the blame.
C.) I agree with the people who have said that labling yourself does sound pretentious. Really, it makes you sound stuck up, like and asshole. I say this because there is no need to say "I am straight edge" when you can say "I do't do drugs"

[Triceratops]

It only bothers me when a 14 year old goes around saying they're straight edge. FFS, it doesn't apply to underage kids. Go home. >__>

[Nicky330]

It only bothers me when a 14 year old goes around saying they're straight edge. FFS, it doesn't apply to underage kids. Go home. >__>

Drugs are illegal (exceptions for Uk, etc.), and why doesn't it apply to people who are underage? If your 14 and straight edge or your 50 and straight edge it doesn't matter. Your taking a pledge to be drug free.

Apart from that, its your choice to be straight edge but you don't need to go around screaming to the world that your straight edge. I smoke weed, and if someone is 100% against drugs than thats there choice, theres no need to tell everybody "O HAI I don't do drugs so it makes me better than you".

[The Dark Lord]

Drugs are illegal (exceptions for Uk, etc.), and why doesn't it apply to people who are underage? If your 14 and straight edge or your 50 and straight edge it doesn't matter. Your taking a pledge to be drug free.

I presume you don't live in the UK or have any common sense

[The Joker]

Drugs are illegal (exceptions for Uk, etc.), and why doesn't it apply to people who are underage? If your 14 and straight edge or your 50 and straight edge it doesn't matter. Your taking a pledge to be drug free.

Apart from that, its your choice to be straight edge but you don't need to go around screaming to the world that your straight edge. I smoke weed, and if someone is 100% against drugs than thats there choice, theres no need to tell everybody "O HAI I don't do drugs so it makes me better than you".

For example, with alchohol, it's allowed once you're past a certain age. If that drug is already banned at the age you're at, what's the point in saying you're abstaining from it if you couldn't even legally get it to begin with?

[Zazu]

I don't see the point in it but I completely respect anyone who is.

I enjoy expanding my consciousness and taking mind-altering drugs. It's fun, it's pleasurable, I'm a hedonist. I also refuse to consent to the Misuse of Drugs Act 1971 (as an Act or Statute is only lawful when the governed consent in the UK) ergo I'm quite happy to do so and openly talk about it with people.

[CaptainObvious]

For example, with alchohol, it's allowed once you're past a certain age. If that drug is already banned at the age you're at, what's the point in saying you're abstaining from it if you couldn't even legally get it to begin with?

That it is illegal does not mean it is difficult to get in many cases. I can't legally drink yet in America, and you can bloody well bet I- *cough* well, yeah.

:P

[Fiction]

That is illegal does not mean it is difficult to get in many cases. I can't legally drink yet in America, and you can bloody well bet I- *cough* well, yeah.

:P

True that. I've been served both cigarettes and alcohol in past, despite the legal age for purchase of those being 18. I also have friends the same age as me who have got hold of weed.

[The Joker]

That it is illegal does not mean it is difficult to get in many cases. I can't legally drink yet in America, and you can bloody well bet I- *cough* well, yeah.

:P

But it's less accesible/easy for you to get then if you were of legal age.

[ShaneK]

Its all well being straight edge, but not everyone has that choice. Some things in life drive people to the escape of drugs and alcohol. There are over 22,000 child sex slaves in America, and trust me they don't have no choice. There are addicts who don't want to be a slave to there addiction. In an ideal world yes, but this ain't no ideal world.

I admit it i take drugs, but I go out of my way to try to stop others doin the same. If I was straight edged I wouldnt have survived. Yes I admit some people just do drugs and alcohol just for recreation and to be cool. An if they want to, fine by me. But the line between recreational use and addiction is a fine one.

[Minimoose]

And I mean comon...finding everything so funny that you just keep laughing is an awesome feeling! :D


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[EarthToBryan]

Actually anestesia kills hundreds of people a year.

http://journals.lww.com/anesthesiology/fulltext/2009/04000/epidemiology_of_anesthesia_related_mortality_in.15.aspx

[Commander Thor]

Actually anestesia kills hundreds of people a year.

http://journals.lww.com/anesthesiology/fulltext/2009/04000/epidemiology_of_anesthesia_related_mortality_in.15.aspx

Please don't bump old threads. This one is from December of 2010.

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