Should ALL child molesters and rapist be given life without parole?

[ShyGuyInChicago]

Should this be done in order to prevent them re-offending or getting worse crimes? Or should we attempt to rehabilitate them?

I have been told that sex offenders who get treatment have low risk of being a repeat offender, and according to 2002 U.S. Department of Justice statistics sex offenders had a repeat offense rate of 5.3%. But is that risk low enough to you.

I think that sex offenders need to be rehabilitated if and that fails they should be locked up forever.

[Perseus]

Rehabilitate them. Locking them up in jail doesn't help them.

[ShyGuyInChicago]

Rehabilitate them. Locking them up in jail doesn't help them.

Well locking them up will help people stay safe from them.

It can help the situation, but will i can be solved better.

[Perseus]

Well locking them up will help people stay safe from them.

It can help the situation, but will i can be solved better.

So. They didn't choose to be a child molester. Putting them in jail does not help them. Might as well kill them with that mentality.

[huginnmuninn]

So. They didn't choose to be a child molester. Putting them in jail does not help them. Might as well kill them with that mentality.

well they had the choice not to be a child molester

[Perseus]

well they had the choice not to be a child molester

You're stupid. I'm not even going to answer your retarded statement.

EDIT: Whoever neg rep'd me, I read the statement wrong, so you can hop off.

[Fact]

You're stupid. I'm not even going to answer your retarded statement.

I don't think it was that much of a stupid statement.
So yes, there are many rapists/child molesters that have their own history of abuse.
What about the ones that don't?

[Perseus]

I don't think it was that much of a stupid statement.


It is when you don't choose to like little children. It happens. You can't just "choose not to".

[Fact]

It is when you don't choose to like little children. It happens. You can't just "choose not to".

And what about those who pretty much do choose to like little children? Because there must be plenty of them that do.

[Perseus]

And what about those who pretty much do choose to like little children? Because there must be plenty of them that do.

Explain "like". I don't believe you can choose to like little children. I believe pedophilia is like homosexuality. You don't just wake and up and choose it.

[Fact]

Explain "like". I don't believe you can choose to like little children. I believe pedophilia is like homosexuality. You don't just wake and up and choose it.

I'm not for one minute suggesting that one simply wakes up and decides to become a child molester. Nor do I believe it's a feeling like homosexuality - I believe that's more to do with relationships. Child molesters don't tend to have 'relationships' with children, they just sexually abuse them.

[KylieEatWorld]

I think after a prison sentence they should be advised to seek therapy and then be done with it. I believe in forgiveness and just because they screw up they shouldn't have everybody in the neighborhood know what they did wrong twenty years ago. They're served their punishment so it should be over with.

[Sogeking]

I think after a prison sentence they should be advised to seek therapy and then be done with it. I believe in forgiveness and just because they screw up they shouldn't have everybody in the neighborhood know what they did wrong twenty years ago. They're served their punishment so it should be over with. Agreed.

[Peace God]

You're stupid. I'm not even going to answer your retarded statement.
I think you guys are misunderstanding each other...with "child molesters" i think huginnmuninn means people that are attracted to children and act upon their feelings by sexually abusing kids(in which case is a choice)...and i think you mean just someone who is attracted to children(which i agree is probably similar to homosexuality meaning its not a choice).

[huginnmuninn]

I think you guys are misunderstanding each other...with "child molesters" i think huginnmuninn means people that are attracted to children and act upon there feelings by sexually abusing kids(in which case is a choice)...and i think you mean just someone who is attracted to children(which i agree is probably similar to homosexuality meaning its not a choice).

yes i said child molesters as in molester - someone who subjects others to unwanted or improper sexual activities

[The Joker]

The act of actually molesting the kids is a choice. The attraction, is not a choice.

[deadpie]

No. Allot of people who sexually abuse children were sexually abused as a child. Also, even as the nihilist I am, I do believe that there is good in people. Jail isn't the answer. Throwing someone in a cell or putting them to death is the easiest, but dumbest way to solve the problem.

So how do you do it? I say give them therapy in a mental hospital. If they have someone to talk to over all of this and maybe they can get help to keep control over there thoughts.

Child molesters most of the time have that fetish for the young. If any of you understand what having a strange fetish is like, that's probably what they go through. And opening up to talk to someone about your sick ideas usually doesn't end well. Society needs to be more open to people who have disturbing thoughts and not judge them immediately. The reason I can relate to that is because I have a fetish for the dead. It's not something people understand and if I were to start asking for help about it, most people will just say, "Well that guy must be fucking nuts".

Now, when someone has a sick fetish, they'll think allot about making it real and picturing it all. So the fetish consumes them and takes over every thought. I can't really blame most child molesters for what they do. It's a mental thing that can really fuck with you.

There's alway something inside of the person that makes/made them tick. To figure that out and fix it is the correct answer. To help them fight through the thoughts is the answer. Not to imprison them and say, "You're one sick mother fucker!"

inb4 someone tells me "You don't know what it's like to be molested as a child". I lived with two rapists for four years of my childhood, so I think I know what I'm talking about.

[Sith Lord 13]

I feel they should be locked up in a psychiatric facility until such time as they're rehabilitated. No maximum sentences, if they're still at risk to re-offend, they stay locked up.

[Korashk]

It is when you don't choose to like little children. It happens. You can't just "choose not to".
You absolutely can make the choice to not rape children.

[Korashk]

Anyways, on topic. Child molestation is just an alternate name for rape, and rapists typically don't serve life sentences. Objectively what makes child molestation worse than rape, or conversely rape better than child molestation.

Even if they did get life sentences, I wouldn't want that either, life in jail without parole is a pointless sentence that puts an undue burden on the state and taxpayers. They should just be put to death.

[The Joker]

^Did you even fucking read Tim's post?

[Korashk]

^Did you even fucking read Tim's post?
Who is Tim? If it was in this thread then yes.

[Sith Lord 13]

Who is Tim? If it was in this thread then yes.

Deadpie

[Korashk]

Deadpie
Oh, then I don't know what Joker is talking about. Rape is rape no matter what kind of fetishes the assaulter has. I don't see why we should take their issues into account when determining a punishment.

With that said, not all sexual conduct with children should be considered molestation/rape from my POV. I'm against age of consent laws.

[Sith Lord 13]

Oh, then I don't know what Joker is talking about. Rape is rape no matter what kind of fetishes the assaulter has. I don't see why we should take their issues into account when determining a punishment.

With that said, not all sexual conduct with children should be considered molestation/rape from my POV. I'm against age of consent laws.

So a rape and murder should be the same as a rape? No, the crime is measured in impact to the victim and as such child predators are and should be prosecuted more harshly.

I agree in theory on age of consent, but can't find a good way to implement it.

[Korashk]

So a rape and murder should be the same as a rape?
No...what are you talking about? Murder and rape are two different crimes.

No, the crime is measured in impact to the victim and as such child predators are and should be prosecuted more harshly.
Why should this be the case?

[Sith Lord 13]

No...what are you talking about? Murder and rape are two different crimes.

I'm saying for some rapists killing their victims is a fetish, just like attacking children is a fetish for child molesters.

Why should this be the case?

Because the more harm a person would do, the more we want to deter it. The harsher the punishment, the better the deterrent.

[The Joker]

Oh, then I don't know what Joker is talking about. Rape is rape no matter what kind of fetishes the assaulter has. I don't see why we should take their issues into account when determining a punishment.

With that said, not all sexual conduct with children should be considered molestation/rape from my POV. I'm against age of consent laws.

You should take into account that for most, it's an uncontrollable impulse.

[Korashk]

I'm saying for some rapists killing their victims is a fetish, just like attacking children is a fetish for child molesters.
Then you charge them with both rape and murder.

Because the more harm a person would do, the more we want to deter it. The harsher the punishment, the better the deterrent.
I believe in eye for an eye justice. The criminal does not do more harm simply because of the age of the victim. Other factors determine how much harm was done, and only harm that can be objectively measured should be taken into account.

Also, punishments really don't deter violent crime in any significant way.

You should take into account that for most, it's an uncontrollable impulse.
Why?

[Sith Lord 13]

I believe in eye for an eye justice. The criminal does not do more harm simply because of the age of the victim. Other factors determine how much harm was done, and only harm that can be objectively measured should be taken into account.

Yes, they do. A child suffers greater pain, both physically and psychologically.

Also, punishments really don't deter violent crime in any significant way.

I've seen that said for capital punishment, but do you have any evidence for lesser crimes?

Why?

Because when prison won't help but psychiatric treatment will, psychiatric treatment should be used.

[Deathwingo0o]

Put it to you guys this way.
I have no money.
I want to have some.
Therefore it is correct for me to rob a bank? Come on!

[The Joker]

Why?

Because it's kind of important to know if the person was able to control themselves from doing the crime or not, dorkus.

[Cudder]

No. When they get caught they will snap into realaty and realize that it was wrong and never do it again

[Cudder]

You people up there calm down my dad a lawyer. All molesters recieve a count called a, b, or c. C being the smallest punishment and a being the worst. Count c is when you are put on house arrest and attend therapy for a extended time. Count a is when you straight up go to prison.

There now all your punishment problems are solved.
Any questions pm me

[Peace God]

You people up there calm down my dad a lawyer. All molesters recieve a count called a, b, or c. C being the smallest punishment and a being the worst. Count c is when you are put on house arrest and attend therapy for a extended time. Count a is when you straight up go to prison.

There now all your punishment problems are solved.

No, first of all I cant seem to find any evidence of this "count" system or a reason why a serious felony can receive a minimum sentence of only house arrest. Secondly, even if this system did exist how would we even know if it's being implemented correctly?

Any questions pm me
Why? (lol i just realized that was a question, but seriously why?)

Yes, i do realize that you dont want your argument to be questoned but i dont see why someone would post in RoTW if they dont want any rebuttals.

[Cudder]

Dude above. I know about the count thing because my dad is a family lawyer and he did a molestation case not to long ago. He was bragging about how he got the charge to go from count a to count c. You only get count c if it's a not bad molest, like just fondeling I think

[The Dark Lord]

Anyways, on topic. Child molestation is just an alternate name for rape, and rapists typically don't serve life sentences. Objectively what makes child molestation worse than rape, or conversely rape better than child molestation.

Even if they did get life sentences, I wouldn't want that either, life in jail without parole is a pointless sentence that puts an undue burden on the state and taxpayers. They should just be put to death.

you are aware that it is cheaper to keep someone in prison for life than to kill them?

Dude above. I know about the count thing because my dad is a family lawyer and he did a molestation case not to long ago. He was bragging about how he got the charge to go from count a to count c. You only get count c if it's a not bad molest, like just fondeling I think

Congrats, your dad has no morals!

[Korashk]

you are aware that it is cheaper to keep someone in prison for life than to kill them?
No it isn't, and I will defend this assertion in another thread. Should I take the initiative and make it or would you like to?

Congrats, your dad has no morals!
He's a lawyer, we like winning more than anything.

[Peace God]

Dude above. I know about the count thing because my dad is a family lawyer and he did a molestation case not to long ago. He was bragging about how he got the charge to go from count a to count c. You only get count c if it's a not bad molest, like just fondeling I think
I still cant take your argument as truth without any valid evidence or sources.


Congrats, your dad has no morals!
He's a lawyer, its not fair to make assumptions about his character just for properly defending someone you dont like.

[The Joker]

you are aware that it is cheaper to keep someone in prison for life than to kill them?



Congrats, your dad has no morals!

First part: I'd have to guess so, as any case where the death sentence is used, it gets an automatic repeal.

[The Dark Lord]

No it isn't, and I will defend this assertion in another thread. Should I take the initiative and make it or would you like to?

I'm not interested enough to debate it, below are some sources asserting my claim

http://www.fnsa.org/v1n1/dieter1.html
http://www.deathpenalty.org/article.php?id=42

He's a lawyer, we like winning more than anything.

Don't use we, your not a lawyer

The dark lord needs to shut the fuck up with his insulting my dad shit

calm down, it's not a personal attack on your dad, I just think that lawyers, who defend murderers and rapists, have no morals

[Sith Lord 13]

I just think that lawyers, who defend murderers and rapists, have no morals

A) What about those who defend those they believe to be innocent?

B) Even the guilty need lawyers, they make the system work.

[Peace God]

I just think that lawyers, who defend murderers and rapists, have no morals
That's incredibly ignorant of you. You should be happy that there's lawyers that defend people believed to be guilty, especially ones that do a good job and take pride in their work.

[The Dark Lord]

A) What about those who defend those they believe to be innocent?

B) Even the guilty need lawyers, they make the system work.

That's incredibly ignorant of you. You should be happy that there's lawyers that defend people believed to be guilty, especially ones that do a good job and take pride in their work.

I'm not saying that I disagree with what lawyers do (I plan to study law myself), I just think lawyers are more interested in getting paid than helping clients. I accept that they do a good, essential job but they don't posses particularly strong morals.

[Fact]

I'm not saying that I disagree with what lawyers do (I plan to study law myself), I just think lawyers are more interested in getting paid than helping clients. I accept that they do a good, essential job but they don't posses particularly strong morals.

I have strong morals and plan to be a lawyer.
On the contrary, I believe that having a strong moral compass can enhance how well you do in law. It would certainly separate your job from your life and I suppose I believe that a person is completely different at home to how they are when working.
I agree that I'm more bothered about getting paid than clients, but I don't see doing a legal job as being immoral, even if the job itself entails what some may consider immoral practises by allowing potentially guilty people to walk free.

[The Dark Lord]

On the contrary, I believe that having a strong moral compass can enhance how well you do in law..

Nope, good analytical and oratory skills enhance how well you do in law, the rest is pretty much irrelevant

[Fact]

Nope, good analytical and oratory skills enhance how well you do in law, the rest is pretty much irrelevant

Lawyers are not robots. I meant that having to behave differently and out of work can help you separate how professionalism from your personal life and therefore make you more focussed when in work.

[Cudder]

Thanks to the people who are defending my dad. That's extremely nice of you

[Korashk]

I'm not interested enough to debate it, below are some sources asserting my claim
Both of those sources include the costs of trial. Which isn't a valid criticism.

Don't use we, your not a lawyer
Close enough, I'm pursuing a degree in law and have the same mentality.

I just think that lawyers, who defend murderers and rapists, have no morals
So we should just send everybody accused of violent crime to jail?

[The Dark Lord]

Both of those sources include the costs of trial. Which isn't a valid criticism.

you have evidence to suggest otherwise?

Close enough, I'm pursuing a degree in law and have the same mentality.

not really, no


So we should just send everybody accused of violent crime to jail?

That's not what I said, nor what I implied.

[The Joker]

LOLMorals.

Anyone have any new points to add, that actually have relevance?

[Korashk]

Completely skipped over this stuff, dang.

Yes, they do. A child suffers greater pain, both physically and psychologically.
Greater physical pain, I doubt it. Then there's the issue of assigning a blanket value to compensation for psychological pain. Namely that you really shouldn't do it.

I've seen that said for capital punishment, but do you have any evidence for lesser crimes?
Merely making note of a possible connection, if death doesn't deter violent crime, then why would limited jail time?

Because when prison won't help but psychiatric treatment will, psychiatric treatment should be used.
I was unaware that prison was supposed to help people. I thought it was to punish them.

Because it's kind of important to know if the person was able to control themselves from doing the crime or not, dorkus.
Again, why? Does it change the fact that said person has just violated the rights of another. Unless the aggressor was literally incapable of controlling themselves I see no reason to mitigate the sentence.

[Sith Lord 13]

Greater physical pain, I doubt it. Then there's the issue of assigning a blanket value to compensation for psychological pain. Namely that you really shouldn't do it.

Why not? The incapacity to lay a specific figure doesn't mean the two can not be compared.

Merely making note of a possible connection, if death doesn't deter violent crime, then why would limited jail time?

May criminals are more afraid of jail than they are of prison.

I was unaware that prison was supposed to help people. I thought it was to punish them.

It is, hence why they're now called correctional institutions.

Again, why? Does it change the fact that said person has just violated the rights of another. Unless the aggressor was literally incapable of controlling themselves I see no reason to mitigate the sentence.

They had diminished capacity, that is a mitigating factor.

[ShaneK]

For the damage they do no punishment is fitting enough

[Korashk]

Why not? The incapacity to lay a specific figure doesn't mean the two can not be compared.
...Huh? I was criticizing the notion that one can't place a blanket harsher punishment based upon the age of the victim. Not the inability to accurately gauge compensation for psychological pain.

May criminals are more afraid of jail than they are of prison.
Umm...I realize that technically jail and prison are different, but I think this statement needs to be expanded on.

It is, hence why they're now called correctional institutions.
True, they do call them that now. I honestly can't see how simply being in prison could "correct" criminal behavior besides putting the fear into the inmate.

They had diminished capacity, that is a mitigating factor.
Yes, I'm aware that under the current system having a diminished capacity mitigates criminal punishment. I'm looking for justification, because I do not think it should be a factor.

[Peace God]

For the damage they do no punishment is fitting enough
Not really...you can't say that child molestation is worse than every other crime.

And problems arent solved by locking people away forever or killing people.

[Sith Lord 13]

...Huh? I was criticizing the notion that one can't place a blanket harsher punishment based upon the age of the victim. Not the inability to accurately gauge compensation for psychological pain.

Ah. I think it's clear that children naturally incur a greater a greater degree of psychological harm, as they are younger and more vulnerable.

Umm...I realize that technically jail and prison are different, but I think this statement needs to be expanded on.

Sorry, that was a brain fart. I meant more afraid of prison than they are of death.

True, they do call them that now. I honestly can't see how simply being in prison could "correct" criminal behavior besides putting the fear into the inmate.

There are counseling and rehabilitation programs currently at work in most prisons.

Yes, I'm aware that under the current system having a diminished capacity mitigates criminal punishment. I'm looking for justification, because I do not think it should be a factor.

Because their degree of capacity to control themselves impacts the degree of malice and the amount of impact a deterrent will have.

[ShaneK]

people react oh so different to things. One person may break down, whilst another becomes psychotic. your right volatile i cant really say such a thing, or did i mean psychopathic or is that me. My point being you are right, the outrage comes from the fact that it occurs when someone is so vulnerable. Yes children bounce back better than adults, but the damage is far greater.

[Iceman]

What would have happened 200 years ago for something like this? It would have been an automatic execution, oh how times have changed:(

[The Dark Lord]

What would have happened 200 years ago for something like this? It would have been an automatic execution, oh how times have changed:(

Your point being?

[ShyGuyInChicago]

Your point being?

I think his point is that he at least perceives that in America certain crimes have more lenient punishments today and that such crimes are less frowned upon.

[The Dark Lord]

I think his point is that he at least perceives that in America certain crimes have more lenient punishments today and that such crimes are less frowned upon.

the whole worlds changed in 200 years, to say that law and order shouldn't have is stupid

[Sith Lord 13]

the whole worlds changed in 200 years, to say that law and order shouldn't have is stupid

But whether it changed for better or worse is quite debatable.

[alex_b]

It depends if they recorded it, to distribute it or make money off it then they should be arrested and put in jail. If they just did it then they should be rehabilitated. I also think they should make it easier to get treatment for the people that don’t want to be attracted to kids but just can’t help it.

[zakky666]

No they should all be shot in the head. A bullet costs 50 cents. A day in prison costs $50.... you do the math. You dont rape by accident... you know exactly what your doing while your doing it. NO excuse for child molesters. Bring them to me and I'll do it myself. Why would you pay for someone to live care free in a prison who took away someones innocence? Imagine it was you that got raped.... would you want your rapist to live everyday and breathe the air you breathe? Even if there in prison, they still get tv and all the stuff we get. BUT we have to pay for theirs... while they live with no regret or remorse for what they did. I say fuck'em all. Their not worthy to live even if it is in jail.

[Korashk]

But whether it changed for better or worse is quite debatable.
No it isn't.

[Sith Lord 13]

No it isn't.

How is it not? Look at revolving door prisons.

[Dog Desab]

Skipped all other posts and answering the OP. Yes

[User Deleted]

Also skipping to the OP yes

[suicidenote.]

No they should all be shot in the head. A bullet costs 50 cents. A day in prison costs $50.... you do the math. You dont rape by accident... you know exactly what your doing while your doing it. NO excuse for child molesters. Bring them to me and I'll do it myself. Why would you pay for someone to live care free in a prison who took away someones innocence? Imagine it was you that got raped.... would you want your rapist to live everyday and breathe the air you breathe? Even if there in prison, they still get tv and all the stuff we get. BUT we have to pay for theirs... while they live with no regret or remorse for what they did. I say fuck'em all. Their not worthy to live even if it is in jail.

EXACTLY this.

[Amnesiac]

No they should all be shot in the head. A bullet costs 50 cents. A day in prison costs $50.... you do the math. You dont rape by accident... you know exactly what your doing while your doing it. NO excuse for child molesters. Bring them to me and I'll do it myself. Why would you pay for someone to live care free in a prison who took away someones innocence? Imagine it was you that got raped.... would you want your rapist to live everyday and breathe the air you breathe? Even if there in prison, they still get tv and all the stuff we get. BUT we have to pay for theirs... while they live with no regret or remorse for what they did. I say fuck'em all. Their not worthy to live even if it is in jail.

EXACTLY this.

Your pathetic ignorance of the Constitution and a beautiful thing called "not going batshit insane" is painfully obvious in these posts.

I do believe that rehabilitation is an option for rapists and child molesters that show the psychological qualities that one would need to diagnose rehab as an option.

I don't believe in minimum sentencing. Every case is different, therefore, every prison sentence should be different.

[Scoob]

I'm not wasting tax money to keep them alive with a roof over their heads and three meals a day. For all I care, shoot them.

[thebgsamuel]

I'm not wasting tax money to keep them alive with a roof over their heads and three meals a day. For all I care, shoot them.

that might be a bit hard rehabilitation is no good coz crazy guys like them stay crazy and prison for life is money waste.... so dump them in a deap hole bullets for guns are expensive!

[Amnesiac]

I'm not wasting tax money to keep them alive with a roof over their heads and three meals a day. For all I care, shoot them.

that might be a bit hard rehabilitation is no good coz crazy guys like them stay crazy and prison for life is money waste.... so dump them in a deap hole bullets for guns are expensive!

If you're not going to debate seriously, get out. Seriously, I'm tired of every thread about violent criminals turning into a bunch of intolerant people spurting bullshit about how everybody should be killed. This kind of stuff has no place in a debate forum.

[Jess]

No they should all be shot in the head. A bullet costs 50 cents. A day in prison costs $50.... you do the math. You dont rape by accident... you know exactly what your doing while your doing it. NO excuse for child molesters. Bring them to me and I'll do it myself. Why would you pay for someone to live care free in a prison who took away someones innocence? Imagine it was you that got raped.... would you want your rapist to live everyday and breathe the air you breathe? Even if there in prison, they still get tv and all the stuff we get. BUT we have to pay for theirs... while they live with no regret or remorse for what they did. I say fuck'em all. Their not worthy to live even if it is in jail.

death is too good for them

let them suffer life in prison without parole - especially if they did it multiple times

what if they were mentally ill? What if they really do regret what they did? You would kill them?

[HeartCoreHannah]

I personally believe all child molesters and rapers should be put to death. Once someone is sexually abused they are scarred for life. Why should the predator be able to go on living happy and free while their victim has to live in a state of fear and possibly self harm? Yes, some of them have had abuse done to them as well. But seriously, it's time to break the cycle of abuse. You can't make someone else miserable to make up for what was done to you. Don't make excuses for these kinds of people. How would you feel if your child was raped by someone? You would want to kill that person. You wouldn't just want that person to be in jail for a few years, but to suffer tremendously. My brother was molested when he was 4 until he was 6. My mom didn't find out until he became anorexic. My brother is now turning 26 and he is still not okay. And the bastard that made him have the problems he has today is out of jail and probably doing it to other people's children.

[Jess]

if they are to suffer for what they did, death is not the answer.

edit: keep them in prison, give them life.

however with death they won't even suffer, especially if they feel no pain. Yes, they won't be able to hurt anyone else but still..

I'm really sorry about your brother. the person who did it to him should not have gotten out of jail though. why did he get let go?

[HeartCoreHannah]

I have no idea. He only got four years, maybe five. I remember going to Wal-Mart with my brother and he seen the guy. All the color drained from his face and he threw up right there. It took us months to finally get him to go back out into public.

The electric chair is painful. And I still believe they should be put to death. :mad:

[ShyGuyInChicago]

I have a solution that will be more efficient then automatic life with parole or automatic death sentences.

http://www.atsa.com/ppOffenderFacts.html

Studies have found that sex offenders who receive treatment re-offend less often then those who do not receive treatment. Because of this I think that it should be mandatory that all sex offenders receive treatment. If by the end of their sentences, they are not deemed reformed, then they should be civilly committed. Does anyone object.

[User Deleted]

I have a solution that will be more efficient then automatic life with parole or automatic death sentences.

http://www.atsa.com/ppOffenderFacts.html

Studies have found that sex offenders who receive treatment re-offend less often then those who do not receive treatment. Because of this I think that it should be mandatory that all sex offenders receive treatment. If by the end of their sentences, they are not deemed reformed, then they should be civilly committed. Does anyone object.

There is no "good solution" all of them have flaws.

Kill them and they don't suffer or get a chance to go back in the community

Keep them locked up and the taxpayers suffer

Try to rehabilitate them and release them they are still mentally unstable. Not safe, and I wouldn't want to be the victim of a rape.
less isn't good enough.
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I don't want to pay any extra money to help someone who is so twisted and wanting someone to suffer is wrong in my eyes. I think shooting them in the head saves so much trouble.

[ShyGuyInChicago]

There is no "good solution" all of them have flaws.

Kill them and they don't suffer or get a chance to go back in the community

Keep them locked up and the taxpayers suffer

Try to rehabilitate them and release them they are still mentally unstable. Not safe, and I wouldn't want to be the victim of a rape.
less isn't good enough.
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I don't want to pay any extra money to help someone who is so twisted and wanting someone to suffer is wrong in my eyes. I think shooting them in the head saves so much trouble.

Well, in order for that to happen, the Constitution would have to be amended. Plus giving them the death penalty will cost more more than life in prison because of the appeals process. The appeals process is supposed to make sure that people who are sentenced to death are not wrongly convicted. And I should have worded my statement differently. If a sex offender gets treatment, he/she is less likely to EVER offend again. I did not mean that he/she will re-offend less often. If he/she gets treatment he is less likely to re-offend. In other words, sex offenders as a WHOLE not as individuals re-offend less often if they get treatment. Treatment is the most efficient way to stop people from re-offending.

[User Deleted]

Well, in order for that to happen, the Constitution would have to be amended. Plus giving them the death penalty will cost more more than life in prison because of the appeals process. The appeals process is supposed to make sure that people who are sentenced to death are not wrongly convicted. And I should have worded my statement differently. If a sex offender gets treatment, he/she is less likely to EVER offend again. I did not mean that he/she will re-offend less often. If he/she gets treatment he is less likely to re-offend. In other words, sex offenders as a WHOLE not as individuals re-offend less often if they get treatment. Treatment is the most efficient way to stop people from re-offending.

Why couldn't you have phrased it like that in the first place :P Yeah, I can agree on those grounds. But if they re offend after treatment they should get a bullet in the head.

[zakky666]

that might be a bit hard rehabilitation is no good coz crazy guys like them stay crazy and prison for life is money waste.... so dump them in a deap hole bullets for guns are expensive!

Technically a bullet would be cheaper cause you gotta pay someone to dig the hole. Cant make them dig it cause someone would bitch and complain about how constitutionly wrong it is to make them dig there own grave.

death is too good for them

let them suffer life in prison without parole - especially if they did it multiple times

what if they were mentally ill? What if they really do regret what they did? You would kill them?

Prison life is to good for them. Prisoners get to watch tv and workout and be active. They need to be put in a 6x8 room with a bed and toilet. No windows, no freedom, nothing at all. Let them dwell inside there head for the rest of there life. And just cause they regret what they did, it makes it better? Does it take the pain away from there victim? Does it help the child sleep at night? I think people are forgetting about the vctims and what they went through. I doesnt matter if they really regret what they did, the point is they did it. If they tried to give me a sob story about how sorry they are Id tell them to cry me a river deep enough to hide your body cause regret doesnt make you worthy of the ground below your feet.

[Jess]

and what if they are mentally ill? They should receive treatment

[zakky666]

and what if they are mentally ill? They should receive treatment

How would you judge or decide if they were mentally ill? are you just gonna let them free after treatment cause he`s "cured" of his illness and "promises" he wont do it again? what if he gets "ill" again and does it again? what then? When someone rapes someone, they want to do it. Noone forces them to do it. I dont believe an illness forces them to do it. They had to of thought or fantasized about it before they do it.

[BOSS]

They shouldn't even be given life they should all have to be put to the death penilty death by electric shot slowwwllyy and painfully. That's how I feel

[deadpie]

I love this thread so much. It's where the true emotion comes from where people don't think about how the rapist must feel or the family of the rapist. They're all going to suffer.

Maybe by chance I'll even splurt out some personal stuff too.

The most common motivations towards rape: Power, sadism, personality, biological theory, rational choice theory, cycle of violence, and social learning theory.

Growing up in a violent uprising as a child will influence the way you think. For some people if they see an abusive father beating their mother they may think that's the right thing to do so they end up hitting someone too.

It's the same with rape.

I'm not saying all rape victims are going to become rapists. No, no no. Most of them don't. There is that minority though, that do. They learn and they do. It sticks in there head and it obsesses. Who's to blame? The brain that can't be controlled or the person that victimizes? And can you blame their rapist if it's the same story?

The more you get the motivations the more you'll understand. Some rapists don't even rape for sexual pleasure, but more to just have control over something in life.

The reason I know all of this is because I lived with two people who sexually abused me for four years of my childhood. I know how they think, how they react, why they do so and much more. And I've seen and been through shit when I was a kid than most people will ever have to go through in their entire life.

And I'll say this - I wouldn't want the people that hurt me to be up for life. I do believe they could learn, get treated, and so on.

So I find it very ironic that some people who don't even know what it's like to be pinned down to the carpet with a dick in their ass will say all rapists should be castrated, sentenced to death, or let to rot in a cell, while I feel remorse for them. Me out of all people.

If someone gets out of jail and they just keep doing it, you keep them in treatment longer and longer. If it makes you happy they can die in treatment. At least they're still trying to get help, right?

Let me tell you this folks, anyone is capable of being a rapist. Yes, you too! Anyone can kill, rape, destroy, savage, and steal. There's a piece of that inside all of us. It's just most of us aren't pushed far enough to get that out. Anyone is capable of anything.

You people treat humans like shit. You give up on people so fast without trying to understand their point of view or help them that you just say, "Fuck it" and get 'em killed.

You are not any better than you think you are if that's how you view people. You're all equally sick to the core. If you want to prove yourself to be a better human, than start giving a shit about people more often. Try to understand anyone for what they are, even the ones that you'd rather not look at.


When someone rapes someone, they want to do it. Noone forces them to do it.

Bullshit. There's rapists that force other people to rape someone else for them in terms of getting more sexual gratification. That's only sadists though. Sadists are typically the types with less emotions, more psychotic than others.

Also, I'm willing to argue with anyone on this subject that comes at me. Please do so. I want to see the darkest judgmental side of you where you try to tell me what a rapist thinks and what they're like. Please do it. I want you to so bad. The more you do the more I'll smear it in your face what it really is like because I'm pretty sure you have no idea what most of you are talking about. You wouldn't know unless you've been in the situation or have actually spent many years of your life with these type of people.


OR you guys could do what you always do on this fascinating lovely site where you just ignore the tl;dr post. That's probably what will happen. I don't even know why I posted. Why do I even bother posting in ramblings when it's just a big shit ball of nobody really giving a shit or everyone too lazy to read or understand different points of view?

[zakky666]

^^^response to deadpie^^^ I dont even no what to say to that. I dont understand how you can feel that way about the people who did that to you. Why you would care to help them or even want them to live. People now adays are all self-centered assholes who only care about there lives. But you... youve seen the dark side most people never see. The side that usually turns you cold and into someone like them. And you came out of it with a bigger heart, high spirit, and a new outlook on life. Ill never truelly understand what you went through. And i no you dont care but I wanted to say im sorry. Im sorry that you went through that. You are one of the strongest people ive ever met. You have definatley left your mark in my head. i hope your life is better and more joyful now.

[Dog Desab]

I still say they can rot in prison or treatment. I may not have been abused sexually for four years of my childhood but I know what it's like to be sexually abused. Yeah it's a whole power struggle thing and eventually you learn from it. Some people can't clearly see how another person thinks. There are alot of ass wipes in the world like that.

For what my step-dad has done to me, I resent everyday that he lives and am glad to know that he is in a cell for touching me and my mom. Even on his death bed I know in my heart I can never forgive the fucking bastard. He left his mark on me. I do t ever see myself touching lil' boys or girls but the way I am with girls in a relationship shows of a power issue I have. If girls want to love me, I'll push them and make them love me.

@deadpie
If you forgave the two who did that to ya, good for ya mate. I can't and won't.

[CaliKid24]

Hmm, rehabilitate them and help them? or lock them up with people just like them? I say rehabilitate, BUT each case should be handled differently.

[Genghis Khan]

I still say they can rot in prison or treatment. I may not have been abused sexually for four years of my childhood but I know what it's like to be sexually abused. Yeah it's a whole power struggle thing and eventually you learn from it. Some people can't clearly see how another person thinks. There are alot of ass wipes in the world like that.

For what my step-dad has done to me, I resent everyday that he lives and am glad to know that he is in a cell for touching me and my mom. Even on his death bed I know in my heart I can never forgive the fucking bastard. He left his mark on me. I do t ever see myself touching lil' boys or girls but the way I am with girls in a relationship shows of a power issue I have. If girls want to love me, I'll push them and make them love me.

@deadpie
If you forgave the two who did that to ya, good for ya mate. I can't and won't.

It's pretty easy to say they can 'rot in prison' without even trying to understand why people do the things they do. Now that I'm about to go on a rant about how people are somehow motivated to do the things they do, I might as well come out with one of my personal experiences while I'm at it.

Picture it. You've been cemented with a gut wrenching experience at the point when you're most vulnerable, that memory not only stays with you, but changes you as a person, your perspective on life and what right and wrong is. There's a part of you that wants to be better than your rapist or molester, but there's this other voice, not even a voice, an ineffable, indefinable emotion that leeches on to you almost subconsciously driving you to become what you hate. I know this because I know family friends who've been molested, I've met sexually abused people and have had a few.. I guess you could say deep conversations with them about it.

When I was 14 I met this dude online, and this is when I was first introduced to internet, I didn't know its consequences. He asked to meet up, I thought he was cool.. after all, he was humorous, played multiple musical instruments.. but he wasn't cool, he was manipulative. He arrived, we went to a lonely spot and through emotional extortion he somehow convinced me to give him some kind of sexual gratification. I was young, I had no idea, he offered things I favoured in exchange. I didn't really tell my parents that this happened because I was too ashamed, but I got the message across to them that I didn't want to see that weird, almost middle aged man again. Since then, it's had a slightly weird effect on me. This made me want to take criminology or at least study it, I became obsessed with understanding why people do this shit.

Not nearly or even close to what deadpie went through, and although I can understand your situation and sympathize, you're not being any more reasonable than your step dad by not even paying the slightest attention to the fact that perhaps, just perhaps, his childhood was worse than what he had done to you. Perhaps there was a mitigating factor, a source of motivation for whatever horrible thing he had done to you and your mother. People don't just get up one day and say 'oh what a wonderful day to stick my penis in a little boy's ass', there had to have been some reason why.

Hence, I feel people need to actually understand these criminals before they take the immediate leap to the archetypal conclusion that is 'If they molest people they can't live because they've molested people and that's not right... derp'.

[zakky666]

Yes even tho he changed my thought i still believe that there are certain circumstances where they deserve to die. Like if its with really young children (6-less) then they dont deserve treatment. But every case is different, different situations, different reasons. Treat them if you can, but if they deny help dont let them be free again. If they get treatment and rape again put them in jail. No freedom, they proved there not gonna accept help and will do it again. If they change there ways then good for them, but keep a tight leash and gradually let it out.

Deadpie-- You got me think alot. Like my head actually hurts from it. You opened somethin in my head and now it wont go away. Im not sure if i should resent you for it, or thank you for it...

[Dog Desab]

It's pretty easy to say they can 'rot in prison' without even trying to understand why people do the things they do. Now that I'm about to go on a rant about how people are somehow motivated to do the things they do, I might as well come out with one of my personal experiences while I'm at it.

Picture it. You've been cemented with a gut wrenching experience at the point when you're most vulnerable, that memory not only stays with you, but changes you as a person, your perspective on life and what right and wrong is. There's a part of you that wants to be better than your rapist or molester, but there's this other voice, not even a voice, an ineffable, indefinable emotion that leeches on to you almost subconsciously driving you to become what you hate. I know this because I know family friends who've been molested, I've met sexually abused people and have had a few.. I guess you could say deep conversations with them about it.

When I was 14 I met this dude online, and this is when I was first introduced to internet, I didn't know its consequences. He asked to meet up, I thought he was cool.. after all, he was humorous, played multiple musical instruments.. but he wasn't cool, he was manipulative. He arrived, we went to a lonely spot and through emotional extortion he somehow convinced me to give him some kind of sexual gratification. I was young, I had no idea, he offered things I favoured in exchange. I didn't really tell my parents that this happened because I was too ashamed, but I got the message across to them that I didn't want to see that weird, almost middle aged man again. Since then, it's had a slightly weird effect on me. This made me want to take criminology or at least study it, I became obsessed with understanding why people do this shit.

Not nearly or even close to what deadpie went through, and although I can understand your situation and sympathize, you're not being any more reasonable than your step dad by not even paying the slightest attention to the fact that perhaps, just perhaps, his childhood was worse than what he had done to you. Perhaps there was a mitigating factor, a source of motivation for whatever horrible thing he had done to you and your mother. People don't just get up one day and say 'oh what a wonderful day to stick my penis in a little boy's ass', there had to have been some reason why.

Hence, I feel people need to actually understand these criminals before they take the immediate leap to the archetypal conclusion that is 'If they molest people they can't live because they've molested people and that's not right... derp'.

I get ya and thnx. I understand completely what you mean. It hurts you know. Inside your gut. Hurts your heart. Makes you hate them. And it really does make you wanna become better than the fucks who did the stuff to you.

I know that I hate them all. Wanna make them feel that pain I've felt. Coming out a better person is hard. I try... I really do try to believe I can understand him. I hurt a lot of the girls I've been with. Manipulated their love with my hate. My last relationship though has had me thinking a lot. Thinking about this whole manipulation thing. Power struggle.

My ex, we both were fucked with when we were younger. She by her uncle and me by my step-dad. She inadvertently became a sex fiend (can't think of a better word to describe her). I guess I am also that. The worse part was that of all the girls I've been with she was possibly the best because of what we've been thru. It's weird to describe it. I wanted to make her understand what I went thru yet she already knew so I couldn't do much. She would try with me as well. By making me jealous. It was awful yet when we ewere together it was the most passionate thing ever. For fucks sake I don't get it at all.

I really wanna better myself. I do wanna understand the fucks who hurt us. It's just hard. I'm not countering your argument. I probably could just use the help. That's why I'm ranting about my life.

[Genghis Khan]

I know that I hate them all. Wanna make them feel that pain I've felt. Coming out a better person is hard. I try... I really do try to believe I can understand him. I hurt a lot of the girls I've been with. Manipulated their love with my hate. My last relationship though has had me thinking a lot. Thinking about this whole manipulation thing. Power struggle.

In this case, your past motivates you to hurt the girls that fall in love with you, for retribution and revenge. You know it won't change anything, but it's a subconscious leech that makes you feel like you need to.

The worse part was that of all the girls I've been with she was possibly the best because of what we've been thru. It's weird to describe it. I wanted to make her understand what I went thru yet she already knew so I couldn't do much. She would try with me as well. By making me jealous. It was awful yet when we ewere together it was the most passionate thing ever. For fucks sake I don't get it at all.

I understand.

I probably could just use the help.

That's why we're here.

[zuluman78]

Rehabilitation would be the best and most beneficial option, we should try and help these people and get them back into well functioning society. Locking them up wont do any good, just further indulge them in confusion. It's completely wrong to kill people who have mental disorders or issues such as this, no one "deserves to die"

[Sporadica]

one dumb thing with our definition of sex offenders is kind of stupid

say you're drunk one night and you go out to take a piss and a kid sees your dick and bam sex offender, ppl know your address and everything, another case I've heard is someone was walking naked in his own home and the window was open enough and someone who trespassed on his property saw him and bam he was now a sex offender, so I think that 5.whatever% rate of recommitting would be higher if we didn't convict people so stupidly

Also sex offending from the cases i've mentioned above is very sexist. a hot naked woman walks down the street most people would be cool, but a good or bad looking naked man or a bad looking naked woman and people would become sex offenders. I bet if the kid saw a naked woman around he'd be all like "right on!" also parents can decide if their child, even up until the age of 18 short of a day, if their child has seen something offensive or something that if they had their parents minds they would be offended.