is it right?

[green]

ok so do you think that if a government that you were living under was destroying its people and being inhumane, that it would be right for people to become criminals and commite acts of murder, espionage and other dreadful crimes to create a better world for people to come?

[Peace God]

Yeah i guess, but it isnt always that black and white.

[Amnesiac]

If you're referencing "The Brotherhood" from 1984, then yes, it is justified for the greater good.

[Korashk]

ok so do you think that if a government that you were living under was destroying its people and being inhumane, that it would be right for people to become criminals and commite acts of murder, espionage and other dreadful crimes to create a better world for people to come?
Not murder/theft/other crimes committed against individuals. It wouldn't be "right" in the sense of correct. However, there's probably no such thing as "right" and "wrong" in a moral sense. So my true answer would be no, it isn't right, because I don't think "right" exists.

[Peace God]

Not murder/theft/other crimes committed against individuals. It wouldn't be "right" in the sense of correct. However, there's probably no such thing as "right" and "wrong" in a moral sense. So my true answer would be no, it isn't right, because I don't think "right" exists.
Exactly. Which is why I said these things arent always black and whitle...in some cases you can even agrue whether or not this "evil" government is even doing anything "wrong" (which again is a subjective matter).

[Sage]

When freedom is against the law, only the outlaws are really free.

[Sith Lord 13]

That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security

The right to rebellion is a key right of the people.

[HillBillyWilly]

Staging a coupe is fine, it's rebellion. Letting people murder and steal from each other is not. If the government says: you can't murder, steal, move social classes, badmouth us, or make your own buisness etc., then rebelling and spreading the truth about the Gov't is fine. If the public decides to go on a rampage of petty theft and serial killing, the it should be frowned upon by other governments and dealt with by the local one.

[lightkun]

That boils down to a question that Death Note addressees. Is it ok to break moral code for the greater good. In the series, a high school student stumbles upon a notebook that once belonged to a shinigami (japanese god of death.) it has the power to kill anyone who's name is written in it. So he becomes a mass murderer, killing criminals and people that he thinks deserves to die. Most people would say that he is right in doing that. I think that if you can do it to create a more perfect world, then in some cases its ok to break moral code. Depends though.

[ShaneK]

But by not rising up against such a government you are condoning their actions. And by such action are becoming a part of the problem and not the solution. Apathy is a problem
one mans terrorist is another mans freedom fighter. (Think israel/palestine). Morality is a subjective viewpoint, as can ethics be - both are flexible to some in interpretation.

[Sith Lord 13]

"All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing."

[Azunite]

The Government DOES bad things because people are criminals and vandalists

[The Dark Lord]

But by not rising up against such a government you are condoning their actions. And by such action are becoming a part of the problem and not the solution. Apathy is a problem
one mans terrorist is another mans freedom fighter. (Think israel/palestine). Morality is a subjective viewpoint, as can ethics be - both are flexible to some in interpretation.

There are other ways to condemn your gov'ts actions other than rising up against them

The Government DOES bad things because people are criminals and vandalists

Which people are you talking about?

[Sage]

There are other ways to condemn your gov'ts actions other than rising up against them

Initially, yes, but there have been points in history where things had gone too far to consider this.

[Deathwingo0o]

All is fair in love and war.

[The Dark Lord]

All is fair in love and war.

What?

[Deathwingo0o]

What?

Nobody is right or wrong. But it's fair.

[The Dark Lord]

Nobody is right or wrong. But it's fair.

I still don't get the point your making

[Peace God]

I still don't get the point your making
It's pretty much the same point that me and Korashk were making...except not as developed.

[ShaneK]

I'm assuming here people are disappearing and gettin killed.

When law enforcement itself is corrupt, certain extreme measures have to be taken. It's a matter of degree, some laws go beyond politics. These are laws that have to do with society, with civilization, even religion.