I bow down to thee Barak Obama and to thee, Hilary Clinton.

[[[chickaroo92]]]

Not.

As Israel waits for a letter clarifying America's guarantees in exchange for a proposed building ban for Jewish residents of Judea and Samaria, a diplomatic source has come forward saying that no such letter is on its way. United States Secretary of State Hillary Clinton misled Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu, and contrary to reports, the U.S. does not guarantee an end to the freeze, the source said....

Full article can be found here: http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/140827 (I suggest you read the whole thing, so you get a gist as to what I am getting at.)

To put it simply, Israel has been played. And I'm going to be very calm... but there is just a few things I'd like to say. Fuck you, fuck you, and fuck you.

*Takes a breath* How can our own fucking country who has been allies with Israel for so fucking long, decide to be the biggest assholes and actually have the NERVE to do this? I am beyond pissed. I just want to go to the White house and strangle the lot.

Sorry, but ... for the all the love that is holy, this is like one of the most disgusting things ever. I am literally sick to my stomach.

[Sage]

Man, fuck Israel. I am sick and tired of the US funding their religious war.

[Amnesiac]

Man, fuck Israel. I am sick and tired of the US funding their religious war.

Indeed. The U.S. dumps billions of dollars on this religious nonsense in the Middle East every year. It's time to get out of their business and fend for ourselves.

[[[chickaroo92]]]

Man, fuck Israel. I am sick and tired of the US funding their religious war.

Well buddy, you can thank Barak Hussein Obama, because at the rate he's going, Israel will most likely be blown away, because Obama well most likely give the funding to the goddamn terrorists, therefore Israel won't be "another pain."

Indeed. The U.S. dumps billions of dollars on this religious nonsense in the Middle East every year. It's time to get out of their business and fend for ourselves.

Israel and America are allies.

By you saying that we should fend for ourselves,
it's like saying if someone is getting beaten up, they should just deal with the problem on their own, and everyone should just be a bystander.

That's what is happening. It's not a religious issue anymore, it's a Terrorist VS. Israel issue. The ONLY reason why this fucking war is going on, is because THEY think that Israel belongs to them, and they won't stop bombing, and they won't stop killing, and they won't stop threatening until Israel gives up, and gives the land over to all those fucking terrorist groups who, by the way have plenty of their own fucking land.

Israel is constantly being bullied, and America is just being the fucking bystander.

[Amnesiac]

];1086454']Israel and America are allies.

By you saying that we should fend for ourselves,
it's like saying if someone is getting beaten up, they should just deal with the problem on their own, and everyone should just be a bystander.

That's what is happening. It's not a religious issue anymore, it's a Terrorist VS. Israel issue. The ONLY reason why this fucking war is going on, is because THEY think that Israel belongs to them, and they won't stop bombing, and they won't stop killing, and they won't stop threatening until Israel gives up, and gives the land over to all those fucking terrorist groups who, by the way have plenty of their own fucking land.

Israel is constantly being bullied, and America is just being the fucking bystander.

By your reasoning, the United States should be protecting and defending every group that's being oppressed or thrown out. However, the fact is that we don't have the time or money to deal with these issues. Yes, it's unfortunate that Israel is hated by every nation that surrounds it, but is it really our problem? The U.S. has its own issues to deal with, we don't need to be dumping absurd amounts of money on a nation that's almost as uncooperative when it comes to negotiations as the nations it's fighting. This is a war that's been going on for the past 60 years, with no end in sight. The United States has done what it can, but it's obviously not enough.

What if a war in Asia starts up with North Korea? Then we'd have an obligation to get involved in their matters. All this alliance stuff has gotten America into a complex situation. Our resources can only be stretched so far. The fact is, everything was better when the U.S. adopted a policy of isolationism. George Washington warned us about making alliances, and his prophecy is turning out to be right.

[Sage]

];1086454']It's not a religious issue anymore, it's a Terrorist VS. Israel issue.

This is your bias and this is why I can't agree with you. One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter. It's not terrorist vs anybody, it's Israeli vs. Palestinian, and both sides have instilled terror in the other to accomplish their goals.

[[[chickaroo92]]]

By your reasoning, the United States should be protecting and defending every group that's being oppressed or thrown out. However, the fact is that we don't have the time or money to deal with these issues. Yes, it's unfortunate that Israel is hated by every nation that surrounds it, but is it really our problem?

Can you tell me how long the USA has been helping Israel out? Years, most likely.
Can you tell me who are the first people to show up at an emergency situation? Whether it may be in Canada, or in Kalamazoo? Israel.
Who has the best military? Israel. Even the Germans, who are known to have caused so much pain on the Jews, are allies with Israel. Want to know why? Because they know that what the early generations had done was not only wrong, but inhumane. So they weren't asked to pay for it, they solely volunteered, out of guilt, and out of care.

But America? Ever since Obama came into office, Israel has been ignored over, and over. And the fact that he dare have the nerve to screw around along with Clinton, is completely the opposite of what it means to be president.

I bet most of that money goes straight to Obama, for his own safe keeping. I bet not a cent has been given to Israel. NOT ONE FUCKING CENT. This is the man that people voted in 2008. A man who does in fact have a family member working in Al-Qaeda, who spends more time with the Palestinians then he does with Israel.

Did he even go to Israel? Nope. Who has gone to Israel? Biden and Clinton. I have not heard ANY news of our president going to Israel while he's been in the house. So you know what? A person like that shouldn't have the responsibility of Presidency. If you can't even set foot into a country, who has helped us TREMENDOUSLY, then I am sorry, but you are not worth being President.

Both he and Clinton lied, did you even bother reading the article? The link's in my original posting.

He has the responsibility as President, to help out Israel, who has been Allies with us for a long time. But you know what, when Israel charges in here, I will fully give them my support. Because if you're gonna fuck with Israel, they will fuck right back.

Have you ever been to Israel? You should go there sometime, live in their shoes, see what they go through, day after day, after fucking day.

The U.S. has its own issues to deal with, we don't need to be dumping absurd amounts of money on a nation that's almost as uncooperative when it comes to negotiations as the nations it's fighting. This is a war that's been going on for the past 60 years, with no end in sight. The United States has done what it can, but it's obviously not enough.

"We have our own issues..." Yeah. We do, you're right. But perhaps if we're willing to help, and not be stubborn, and stop being backstabbing bitches, then hey, maybe we would have some help. But by the looks of it, everyone has a hateful eye on us, and you can thank Mr. Obama for that.

EXCUSE ME? Do you even fucking know how much land Israel has given up, just to keep things settled down? Do you know how many people had to be told they had to leave their homes because they couldn't live there anymore? Israel has talked with them and talked with them, and those Palestinians, I am sorry to say, don't give a shit. All they care about are the goddamn virgins waiting for them.

What if a war in Asia starts up with North Korea? Then we'd have an obligation to get involved in their matters. All this alliance stuff has gotten America into a complex situation. Our resources can only be stretched so far. The fact is, everything was better when the U.S. adopted a policy of isolationism. George Washington warned us about making alliances, and his prophecy is turning out to be right.

We already do get involved :rolleyes: Gotta start reading the papers, my friend.

This is your bias and this is why I can't agree with you. One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter. It's not terrorist vs anybody, it's Israeli vs. Palestinian, and both sides have instilled terror in the other to accomplish their goals.

Israel only began fighting back, when they felt they needed to defend themselves. I can tell you right now, while an Israeli gets killed, the terrorists dance and sing, but whilst a Palestinian gets killed, the IDF sit there and weep out of guilt. Want to know why? Because they actually care. They don't go out to fight just for the sake of it, they go out to fight because they actually want to live.


This thread wasn't meant to cause an uproar or debate, it was merely a current news article which I'd wanted to bring to the table and have some conversation, but not a debate. I am sorry if I seem "wrong," "ignorant," etc. But this is my feeling, and not only as a Jew, but also as an American, I weep for Israel. I have family members who fight for their lives every single day, and so help me G-d,if I ever hear that one of them gets hurt, I will personally kill the asshole who had done it. I had enough death in my family, I don't need to have any more bad news.

[Amnesiac]

My god, that is too much to respond to. It's 2:30 AM and I don't have time to analyze every piece of your argument, so I'll just summarize my opinions here and let you and Sage have-at-it.

The main reason the US supports Israel so much is because the US has military interests in the Middle East. This all fits into a larger interventionist policy, which is unhealthy. Why does the US have to act as some sort of "world police" power? Why is it our job to exhaust ourselves on every nation that we like? I have no problem with selling weapons and giving appropriate amounts of aid, but when it reaches the point where we're dumping troops in every region of the world, it's too much. The United States needs to go back to isolationism, the pre-WWII policy.

Above all, I blame religion for making this area of the world so violent.

[poindexter]

];1086433']Not.



Full article can be found here: http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/140827 (I suggest you read the whole thing, so you get a gist as to what I am getting at.)

To put it simply, Israel has been played. And I'm going to be very calm... but there is just a few things I'd like to say. Fuck you, fuck you, and fuck you.

*Takes a breath* How can our own fucking country who has been allies with Israel for so fucking long, decide to be the biggest assholes and actually have the NERVE to do this? I am beyond pissed. I just want to go to the White house and strangle the lot.

Sorry, but ... for the all the love that is holy, this is like one of the most disgusting things ever. I am literally sick to my stomach.

I agree

[Sage]

Edit: The following might suggest I support and approve of Obama in general as a president- I don't. But I don't think he's Satan's little helper on Earth, either (that's my job.)

];1087168']
I bet most of that money goes straight to Obama, for his own safe keeping.
I don't know of any evidence that backs that up. Now you're just being bitter.

];1087168']I bet not a cent has been given to Israel. NOT ONE FUCKING CENT.
Given the economy these days, that's not something I'd complain about. Forgetting the USA and Israel, no matter who you're allied with, you should (financially, on a national level) take care of yourself first.

];1087168']This is the man that people voted in 2008. A man who does in fact have a family member working in Al-Qaeda, who spends more time with the Palestinians then he does with Israel.
Yeah, god forbid we talk to the other side.

];1087168']Did he even go to Israel? Nope. Who has gone to Israel? Biden and Clinton. I have not heard ANY news of our president going to Israel while he's been in the house. So you know what? A person like that shouldn't have the responsibility of Presidency. If you can't even set foot into a country, who has helped us TREMENDOUSLY, then I am sorry, but you are not worth being President.
They owe us a lot more than we owe them, chica.

];1087168']He has the responsibility as President, to help out Israel, who has been Allies with us for a long time. But you know what, when Israel charges in here, I will fully give them my support. Because if you're gonna fuck with Israel, they will fuck right back.
You're suggesting Israel is going to attempt a land-based invasion of the United States? I'm struggling to take this seriously now, and I mean no offense to you when I say that.

];1087168']Have you ever been to Israel? You should go there sometime, live in their shoes, see what they go through, day after day, after fucking day.
Ever been to Palestine? Oh, wait, it's not really there anymore. I wonder what happened to it.

];1087168']"We have our own issues..." Yeah. We do, you're right. But perhaps if we're willing to help, and not be stubborn, and stop being backstabbing bitches, then hey, maybe we would have some help. But by the looks of it, everyone has a hateful eye on us, and you can thank Mr. Obama for that.
There are many reasons the United States has a negative reputation on the world stage and it goes much further back than Barack Obama or George Bush or any modern day concern.

];1087168']EXCUSE ME? Do you even fucking know how much land Israel has given up, just to keep things settled down? Do you know how many people had to be told they had to leave their homes because they couldn't live there anymore?
Because the Palestinians never never went through that, am I right?

];1087168']Israel has talked with them and talked with them, and those Palestinians, I am sorry to say, don't give a shit.
Back in the mid 20th century, the British attempted to split Palestine into two separate states for the Muslims and the Jews. The Muslim Palestinians owned the land, and they had every right to not accept the splitting of the state.

];1087168']All they care about are the goddamn virgins waiting for them.
I'm not particularly fond of Islam, Chaii, but I'm just going to tell you that that comment was flat-out tasteless and offensive.

];1087168']Israel only began fighting back, when they felt they needed to defend themselves. I can tell you right now, while an Israeli gets killed, the terrorists dance and sing, but whilst a Palestinian gets killed, the IDF sit there and weep out of guilt. Want to know why? Because they actually care. They don't go out to fight just for the sake of it, they go out to fight because they actually want to live.
I'd like to see a non-biased source of information that backs that up.

];1087168']This thread wasn't meant to cause an uproar
Maybe you should avoid a sarcastic thread title then. That just sets the stage for a bitter argument and is asking for negative feedback. I'm going to be perfectly honest: If you're getting this emotionally wound up over a thread in a forum, it might be wise to just take a break and resume posting a few minutes or hours or days later, or however long it takes to not taking all the words on the screen to heart.

I'm really not impressed.

[Peace God]

America has aided Israel with billions of dollars and lots of protection. But by choosing not to make a move that would make america seem even more biased towards Israel we're completely backstabbing them?

You dont seem to get the troubles were having in the middle east, us americans cant afford to keep on being extremely biased in this Israel-Palestine conflict. We would only be putting more of our lives in danger.

oh and why does Palestinian = terrorist?

[Continuum]

oh and why does Palestinian = terrorist?

It's usually the one perceived by the general public, which most of them do not know quite a lot regarding details on the present world and rely much on the media, who also implies negative connotations on the Palestinians.

[Magus]

http://electronicintifada.net/artman2/uploads/2/080312-beth-stones.jpg

Look at the fucking terrorist bastards? Who in the world does that?

Taking klashnikoves, strapped with dynamites? They are truly hellbent terroristic inhuman dogs!!1

Look at them, without hesitation, ruthlessly killing innocent Israeli citizens.
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Israel has the right to defend themselves!

http://theislamicstandard.files.wordpress.com/2010/10/israeli-soldiers-beating-peace-activists-21au8im.jpg

Yes, beat the hell out of them mongrels. That man was about to blow himself to meet his virgins!11 GO GO ISRAEL!

http://alethonews.files.wordpress.com/2010/04/multaqa-org.jpg

Yes, sic dogs at that Palestinian Bitch!11 SHE WAS ABOUT TO BLOW HERSELF - SHE WANTED TO KILL INNOCENT ISRAELI CITIZENS!!!11

http://www.outlookindia.com/images/dead_palestinians_20090112.jpg

Yes! Let them die and rot! Who cares about those Muslim infidels and Arabs. They have sold their own land!

Oh! Let us shoot some journalists and reporter while we are at it.

GO GO ISRAEL!

http://judeotalk.com/files/2009/03/star-of-david.jpg

[[[chickaroo92]]]

Yes, I may have been completely wrong, yes I may have been offensive; ignorant; stupid; pathetic; too judgmental.. But guess what? This is how I feel, and you can either accept it or not. Why should I have any mercy on the ones who kill my own brethren on a daily basis? Why should I as a Jewish person even THINK about caring what happens to the terrorists? Why should I care for a group, who won't let a soldier, Gilad Shalit free until Israel says, "you know what? Fuck it. Let's give up," and give all the land to the Palestinians (which yes, I know that there are plenty who do not like what is going on, and actually would like to help Israel. However, there's also the ones who don't have a crap.) So, I am referring to the ones who don't give a crap, whilst debating in this thread, I should of been clearer about that.

Having said that, I believe that everyone is entitled to their own opinions, but almost everything that was said by the other posters showed me that they would rather put themselves before anyone else. Do you know how selfish that is? I would jump of a bridge if I saw someone drowning in a ocen/river/ etc, whether it means losing my life or not. But I'd know that I'd died, saving another human being.

Person drowning = Israel
River = Terrorism/ Terrorists
Person who happens to be near = USA

So, you could either standby, and watch the victim die, or you can jump in, and save them. Nobody said that people had to join the army; these young men and women are volunteering, knowing that what they are doing is the right thing.

Every country has its issues, but you know what? They still help one another out. And by President Obama and Hilary Clinton deliberately misleading the Israeli PM was not only wrong, but it was just unbelievably sick.

Anyway, that is all I will say, as I am going to have this thread locked. Feel free to continue giving me negative Rep, it just shows immaturity, and I really don't have the time or patience to deal with it.

And, if you want to continue discussing this matter, then please, feel free to do so, my PMing me. I'd love to read what you have to say.

Just remember, I can be a caring person and all, but when things happen such as this, I don't have the caring side of me, instead I have the side of what's humane and what SHOULD be right. So that is all.

[Perseus]

Well, Israel did come in and steal the land from the Palestinians after World War II. I know the United Nations did it, but still.

[Kaius]

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