Christianity and Homosexuality: The Other Viewpoint

[lightningstryke]

Christianity & Homosexuality.

The big one. I am a Christian. I also experience homosexual attraction. The obvious course of action would be to renounce my faith, or justify homosexuality with God and continue in bliss with my beliefs.

I'm afraid neither of those options are preferable. I love the Lord God with all my heart and all my strength, and it clearly says in God's Word that homosexual behaviour is not acceptable. "For the thieves and the adulterers and the drunkards and the slanderers and the homosexual offenders shall not inherit the kingdom of God... that is what some of you were, but you were washed and sanctified by the blood of Jesus Christ."

Clearly homosexuality is shown as a sin comparable to adultery and stealing, and is not acceptable. But doesn't God love sinners just as much as Christians? Of course he does. Everyone is unreservedly loved by God in a way incomprehensible to us. Jesus loves you, no matter what.

I believe God loves me, and does not wish me to live a life of sin involved with homosexuality. He will provide and care for me during the times where it will be a struggle not to do so. What's more, he promises freedom from that lifestyle. "And that is what some of you were." Jesus Christ can change me. Nothing is impossible for him.

I understand this testimony is somewhat different to the coming-out stories I read here. I understand that many disagree with my viewpoint, and continue with homosexuality and Christianity. All I intend with this post is for someone to say, hey, you know what, there is another way. That way is difficult, but I firmly believe it is the best way to reconcile yourself with God.

In conclusion, God loves you. He loves you if you continue with homosexuality. He loves you if you give it over to him, like I do. But I hope you can understand that God's plan is what's best for you, and homosexuality is not part of that plan.

Regards.

PS: I please ask that this thread remains civil, I know what religious discussions can turn into. Please reply with the same politeness I have given you.

[nick]

You are mistakenly accepting that the words of St. Paul are the sames as the word of God. He was just one, rather bigotted and reactionary, man.

[ShatteredWings]

teen sexuality > rotw

I can't see this remaining a non-debate for more than 3 posts, so...

[Perseus]

So, is this a preachy, "I'm holier than thou thread", or what?

[nick]

So, is this a preachy, "I'm holier than thou thread", or what?
As I read it his point was that if you are a gay Christian you have to be celibate. God will love you if you are gay but not if you have sex. I disagree.

[Perseus]

So yeah, this is a preachy thread.

[Sith Lord 13]

So yeah, this is a preachy thread.

Preachy yes, but there's a difference between simply preachy and holier than thou. This is more one of those "I found the way, so can you" kind of threads.

[Tristin.]

this is just my view point, and im sorry if it offends you, but doesnt it say, god is all loving and all caring? so that means anybody, regardless of race, class, sexuality or wealth?

i think tht if there is a god, he will like you for who you are and if he is testing you, he is testing to see whether you will be one of the sheep or be that one wolf

[Peace God]

Jesus Christ can change me.
Idk man, he's a pretty sexy guy.

[deadpie]

Christianity & Homosexuality.

The big one. I am a Christian. I also experience homosexual attraction. The obvious course of action would be to renounce my faith, or justify homosexuality with God and continue in bliss with my beliefs.

I'm afraid neither of those options are preferable. I love the Lord God with all my heart and all my strength, and it clearly says in God's Word that homosexual behaviour is not acceptable. "For the thieves and the adulterers and the drunkards and the slanderers and the homosexual offenders shall not inherit the kingdom of God... that is what some of you were, but you were washed and sanctified by the blood of Jesus Christ."

Clearly homosexuality is shown as a sin comparable to adultery and stealing, and is not acceptable. But doesn't God love sinners just as much as Christians? Of course he does. Everyone is unreservedly loved by God in a way incomprehensible to us. Jesus loves you, no matter what.

"(Jesus Speaking) If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned." - JOHN, 15:6

Jesus is hate. Hate doesn't love you. I'm an atheist, so he doesn't love me "NO MATTAH WHAT".

And no. I'm quite sure in the bible (Romans 1:31-32) that it says "Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them."



I believe God loves me, and does not wish me to live a life of sin involved with homosexuality. He will provide and care for me during the times where it will be a struggle not to do so. What's more, he promises freedom from that lifestyle. "And that is what some of you [B]were." Jesus Christ can change me. Nothing is impossible for him.



Stop talking about God's opinions like as if he has personal conversations with you on this discussion for a day to day matter - Because he doesn't. You cannot just guess who you think he would probably accept and wouldn't. YOU CANNOT JUSTIFY YOU'RE OWN GOD. You can not know for sure any of it if he never speaks to you. It's all down to believing what YOU WANT TO BELIEVE. And no, Jesus cannot change you, only you can. If you change yourself, don't go all weak minded and think, "Well, it must of been Jesus". That just means you're calling yourself weak. Do you really want to do that?



In conclusion, God loves you.


And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness. (Thessalonians 2:11-12)

But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men. (Peter 3:7)


You cannot justify the scripture that you put your faith in. God is not of love, but of destruction and chaos.

[Amnesiac]

You cannot justify the scripture that you put your faith in. God is not of love, but of destruction and chaos.

Indeed. The God of the Bible is, to put it mildly, not a nice guy. You have to realize that modern Christianity has molded itself to fit current morals by removing the more controversial parts and much of creation theory. Today's God isn't the Bible's God.

[nick]

Indeed. The God of the Bible is, to put it mildly, not a nice guy. You have to realize that modern Christianity has molded itself to fit current morals by removing the more controversial parts and much of creation theory. Today's God isn't the Bible's God.
You're missing the point. We aren't discussing Judaism, we're discussing Christianity, effectively that takes the Old Testament out of consideration. Concentrate on the words attributed to Christ, not that idiot St. Paul, and that changes everything.

[deadpie]

You're missing the point. We aren't discussing Judaism, we're discussing Christianity, effectively that takes the Old Testament out of consideration. Concentrate on the words attributed to Christ, not that idiot St. Paul, and that changes everything.

All those posts I quoted I made were from the NEW TESTAMENT. Some were coming from Jesus.

Revelation 2:23 "And I will kill her children with death; and all the churches shall know that I am he which searcheth the reins and hearts: and I will give unto every one of you according to your works."

As for someone who isn't Paul talking about homosexuality, here:

Jude 1:7-8 "Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire. Likewise also these filthy dreamers defile the flesh, despise dominion, and speak evil of dignities"

[Korashk]

...effectively that takes the Old Testament out of consideration. Concentrate on the words attributed to Christ, not that idiot St. Paul, and that changes everything.
"Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished. Anyone who breaks one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do the same will be called least in the kingdom of heaven." - Jesus (Matthew 5:17-20)

[Sith Lord 13]

"Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished. Anyone who breaks one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do the same will be called least in the kingdom of heaven." - Jesus (Matthew 5:17-20)
[Emphasis mine]

Through that fulfillment, the interpretation of the law is changed. The religious principals still stand, but the application does not. The point of all those laws was to do the greatest good and greatest service. Today, we do a greater service by applying the law differently than it was applied in ancient times. At times the application today might even be so blatantly different as to do the exact opposite, but it's still about doing the greatest good.

[Korashk]

Through that fulfillment, the interpretation of the law is changed. The religious principals still stand, but the application does not. The point of all those laws was to do the greatest good and greatest service. Today, we do a greater service by applying the law differently than it was applied in ancient times. At times the application today might even be so blatantly different as to do the exact opposite, but it's still about doing the greatest good.
We've had this discussion and disagree.

[Death]

"Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished. Anyone who breaks one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do the same will be called least in the kingdom of heaven." - Jesus (Matthew 5:17-20)

That's just one quote from the bible. What about the others? The ones which clearly show hatred?

The big one. I am a Christian. I also experience homosexual attraction.

Wow, that's normal. And no, this isn't sarcasm.
The obvious course of action would be to renounce my faith, or justify homosexuality with God and continue in bliss with my beliefs.

I would have said that only the latter was the obvious choise, but okay, I'll go with you...

I'm afraid neither of those options are preferable. I love the Lord God with all my heart and all my strength, and it clearly says in God's Word that homosexual behaviour is not acceptable.

Have I read you right? You love someone who you believe is condemning you for your homosexual feeling with all your ability? Are you being sarcastic or has your mind actually been warped enough to believe such an oxymoron?

"For the thieves and the adulterers and the drunkards and the slanderers and the homosexual offenders shall not inherit the kingdom of God... that is what some of you were, but you were washed and sanctified by the blood of Jesus Christ."

Wow, some 5000-year old book filled with hatred and bigotry says something so it must be true! Seriously, do you have any better reasons than this?

Clearly homosexuality is shown as a sin comparable to adultery and stealing, and is not acceptable. But doesn't God love sinners just as much as Christians? Of course he does. Everyone is unreservedly loved by God in a way incomprehensible to us. Jesus loves you, no matter what.

Okay, so first you say that homosexuals can't go to Heaven, but now you say that Jesus loves you regardless? Could you pehaps make up your mind instead of contradicting yourself the whole time? Because seriously, you can't have it both ways.

I believe God loves me, and does not wish me to live a life of sin involved with homosexuality. He will provide and care for me during the times where it will be a struggle not to do so. What's more, he promises freedom from that lifestyle. "And that is what some of you were." Jesus Christ can change me. Nothing is impossible for him.

Why do you believe this? Has God ever spoken to you? Or are you just reitterating what someone else has indoctrinated your mind into believing?

[Korashk]

That's just one quote from the bible. What about the others? The ones which clearly show hatred?
I don't know what your response means, that verse illustrated that Christians aren't supposed to ignore OT law like they all do.

[Death]

I don't know what your response means, that verse illustrated that Christians aren't supposed to ignore OT law like they all do.

I know that, which is why I asked what about the other quotes, because if Christians did follow the OT, this place would be a warzone. That's why I said it.

[Theatheist of doom]

I think its stupid to believe some guy in the sky created us all and let some of be homosexual, only to let us be shunned for what could only be described as his amusement. Therefore even if I were to find a god to be real, and then later discover they said something you can't help is wrong, such as "homosexuality is wrong" or something racist, I would instantly be willing to burn in hell. Therefore I don't believe in god. Adding to the fact that all the scientific info we have so far-- treating this like a scientific hypothesis-- points to the fact god probably doesn't exist.

[Death]

Is it me or has this lightningstryke person decided to post his/her crap and bugger off without even replying to justify any of it? If so, there probably isn't much point in continuing this thread.

[Peace God]

Is it me or has this lightningstryke person decided to post his/her crap and bugger off without even replying to justify any of it?
Lol did you join yesterday? :P

It doesn't surprise me at all.

[Death]

Lol did you join yesterday? :P

I doesn't surprise me at all.

Whether or not I was here, I don't see any other posts from lightningstryke in this thread at all, do you?

[Peace God]

Whether or not I was here, I don't see any other posts from lightningstryke in this thread at all, do you?
You misunderstood what i said again. I said "It doesn't surprise me at all" because i didnt expect lightningstryke to properly defend his position. And i jokingly said "did you join yesterday?" because i think you should know by now that people with similar views rarely do so.

[Death]

because i didnt expect lightningstryke to properly defend his position. And i jokingly said "did you join yesterday?" because i think you should know by now that people with similar views rarely do so.

A pity; most people who disagree with me (or most other people in fact) never seem to want to justify themselves let alone debate. Seems pretty pointless really.

[The Ninja]

Here is my actual believe as far as what the OP said: You will go to heaven even if you are gay. Why? Because from what I understand God was saying that aids were the gays punishment for there sin, not hell (huge difference between the two). So long as you believe that God died for your sin and you are sorry for your sins (Even if you had homosexual sex) you will go to heaven just like any other christian.

"(Jesus Speaking) If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned." - JOHN, 15:6

Jesus is hate. Hate doesn't love you. I'm an atheist, so he doesn't love me "NO MATTAH WHAT".

And no. I'm quite sure in the bible (Romans 1:31-32) that it says "Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them."



Stop talking about God's opinions like as if he has personal conversations with you on this discussion for a day to day matter - Because he doesn't. You cannot just guess who you think he would probably accept and wouldn't. YOU CANNOT JUSTIFY YOU'RE OWN GOD. You can not know for sure any of it if he never speaks to you. It's all down to believing what YOU WANT TO BELIEVE. And no, Jesus cannot change you, only you can. If you change yourself, don't go all weak minded and think, "Well, it must of been Jesus". That just means you're calling yourself weak. Do you really want to do that?




And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness. [b](Thessalonians 2:11-12)

But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men. (Peter 3:7)


You cannot justify the scripture that you put your faith in. God is not of love, but of destruction and chaos.

I realize christianity is almost the definition of hypocrisy and im about to be a hypocrit for pointing this out, but I dont see how an athiest, who has no faith in the bible, uses it to point out a christians hypocrisy. In fact if you ask me that in itself is hypocritical, and as for the last part "You cannot justify the scripture that you put your faith in. God is not of love, but of destruction and chaos." you were doing this by pointing out everysingle on of his mistakes.

[Kaya]

Lol did you join yesterday? :P

It doesn't surprise me at all.

Lol. He joined before you.



Sorry, I just had to say that.


anyways, I think that if God truely loves all people, he would love homosexuals just as much as the loves everyone else.

[The Dark Lord]

I realize christianity is almost the definition of hypocrisy and im about to be a hypocrit for pointing this out, but I dont see how an athiest, who has no faith in the bible, uses it to point out a christians hypocrisy. In fact if you ask me that in itself is hypocritical, and as for the last part "You cannot justify the scripture that you put your faith in. God is not of love, but of destruction and chaos." you were doing this by pointing out everysingle on of his mistakes.

Christians are hypocrites???????? :eek:

[Peace God]

Lol. He joined before you.

It was sarcasm lol. Just like the post above me.

[deadpie]

I realize christianity is almost the definition of hypocrisy and im about to be a hypocrit for pointing this out, but I dont see how an athiest, who has no faith in the bible, uses it to point out a christians hypocrisy. In fact if you ask me that in itself is hypocritical, and as for the last part "You cannot justify the scripture that you put your faith in. God is not of love, but of destruction and chaos." you were doing this by pointing out everysingle on of his mistakes.

So everyone's a hypocrite - The Atheists and the Christians in your view point. Wow.

Yeah, I pointed out the mistakes the Christian God made. Is that wrong? Isn't he so supposed to be perfect?

I used The Bible to point out hypocrisy simply because this is a DEBATE. I want to use good sources to prove what I say is correct.

[The Joker]

Here is my actual believe as far as what the OP said: You will go to heaven even if you are gay. Why? Because from what I understand God was saying that aids were the gays punishment

Ah, yes. Because only gay people get AIDS, amirite? And when did God say AIDS was our punishment? I haven't heard him say anything, at all, and people who do are mentally ill. Even if he exists/existed, he's long dead by now.

[red_dragon]

God loves us all yes. That is why He sent His son, Jesus Christ to this world to die on the cross and He rose again. So that all who believe in Him, and understand that it was for their sins He died will be saved. Homosexuality is a sin, and there is no saying different. But it is one that is forgiven through the blood of Christ. There are these key scriptures that tell us it is a sin;
Genesis 19:1-13; Leviticus 18:22; Leviticus 18:29; Leviticus 20:13; Romans 1:26-27;Romans 1:32; 1Corinthians 6:9-11; 1Timothy 1:8-10.
So no it is not accepted by God, and will never be, but as long as you are saved, found in the book of Life, it will be forgiven and you shall enter the Kingdom of Heaven.

[Sage]

God loves us all yes. That is why He sent His son, Jesus Christ to this world to die on the cross and He rose again. So that all who believe in Him, and understand that it was for their sins He died will be saved.

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_8CgZn7SSp9g/STjHermF-1I/AAAAAAAAAZM/G9kSGOR-hnY/s400/broken+record.jpg

[Death]

God loves us all yes. That is why He sent His son, Jesus Christ to this world to die on the cross and He rose again.

Why do people keep using the same logic despite its obvious flaws? If God wanted to forgive us, why couldn't he just bloody do it? Why did he have to kill someone to do it? It would appear that God is so vengeful, that he has to kill someone, even if it is the wrong person. In fact, say that you stole food from the fridge and your parents viciously beat you. Then, they have another child and he is also to be beated for what you did, unless he apologies for what he didn't do. However, turns out he murders someone, but because you were beaten, they don't care. I'm sure you can see how this relates to the Jesus story and why it is flawed. God doesn't love us, he just wants to exact his vengeance on someone, even if it is the wrong person.

So that all who believe in Him, and understand that it was for their sins He died will be saved.

What, and those who don't make a habit on believing in stuff with zero evidence (same reason why people don't believe in the flying spaghetti monster, y'know), you're happy with them being condemned for it (because this is effectively what you've said)? Disgusting.

Homosexuality is a sin, and there is no saying different.

Sin =/= wrong. But then again you knew that.

But it is one that is forgiven through the blood of Christ.

Sure, because God needs to abuse someone, right? Seriously?

There are these key scriptures that tell us it is a sin;
Genesis 19:1-13; Leviticus 18:22; Leviticus 18:29; Leviticus 20:13; Romans 1:26-27;Romans 1:32; 1Corinthians 6:9-11; 1Timothy 1:8-10.

Why are you using a 5000-year old book as a source? And even then, a book filled with hatred, bigotry, child-molesting, child-killing, genocide, etc.


So no it is not accepted by God, and will never be,

Trying to suss out an 'omnipotent' being, eh? You think you know God inside out then?

but as long as you are saved, found in the book of Life, it will be forgiven and you shall enter the Kingdom of Heaven.

Have you got anything a little more solid to back it up with? It's just that if I were to just take your word for it, I may as well take the word of every other religion and belief out there. Hell, I may as well even believe that the 1969 moon landing was a hoax, which it clearly wasn't.

[deadpie]

God loves us all yes.

Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned (Roman 5:12)

God hates everyone.


That is why He sent His son, Jesus Christ to this world to die on the cross and He rose again.

What a fucking asshole father. God could of just fixed shit himself, but had his only son die in one of the most painful ways?


Homosexuality is a sin, and there is no saying different. But it is one that is forgiven through the blood of Christ. There are these key scriptures that tell us it is a sin;
Genesis 19:1-13; Leviticus 18:22; Leviticus 18:29; Leviticus 20:13; Romans 1:26-27;Romans 1:32; 1Corinthians 6:9-11; 1Timothy 1:8-10.
So no it is not accepted by God, and will never be, but as long as you are saved, found in the book of Life, it will be forgiven and you shall enter the Kingdom of Heaven.

No. How can you be saved if you're still gay? God cannot change your sexuality. It's something most people that are gay are born with. You cannot be saved by something that hates you.

[Mrs.KermitTheFrogx]

I am not myself a christian but my sister is ,,
i attend church with her somtimes
and i think if God is all he is cracked out to be then
he should be non - judgemental
its not your decision who you love
he shall love all creatures gay or not :)
so dont be ashamed of who you are ...
if God doesnt liek it then he can lump it cant he
its not your fault </3 x

[KylieEatWorld]

In the New Testament Jesus Christ abolished the Old Testament laws and covenants and set forth only two.

1. Love your neighbor as yourself, and
2. Love the Lord your God with all your heart, soul, and mind.

Then in 1 Corinthians the bible begins to elaborate on what love is. For instance you still shouldn't murder or steal things but acts commonly referred to as sins are actually acceptable as long as you are keeping the two commandments such as homosexuality, eating pork, working on the sabbath, and sacrifices were abolished at the coming of Christ. If you believe your save by works such as not doing these things you're basically jewish because you don't believe that Christ died for your sins. In Romans it clearly states he paid the penalty so all you have to do is believe in him and you'll get to heaven.

[deadpie]

In Romans it clearly states he PAYED the penalty so all you have to do is believe in him and you'll get to heaven.

The death of Jesus wasn't worth shit. His day long 'sacrifice' (Which is more like silencing) is nothing compared to sinners burning eternity in hell for small things.

He didn't take our punishment of sin or else his death would of lasted for eternity.

His death was on a cross and wasn't for that long, compared to a sinner who goes through the worst possible pain ever and cannot die during this, but just be brutally burning forever.

So he didn't take our punishment as a sinner. That's completely bullocks.

[KylieEatWorld]

The death of Jesus wasn't worth shit. His day long 'sacrifice' (Which is more like silencing) is nothing compared to sinners burning eternity in hell for small things.

He didn't take our punishment of sin or else his death would of lasted for eternity.

His death was on a cross and wasn't for that long, compared to a sinner who goes through the worst possible pain ever and cannot die during this, but just be brutally burning forever.

So he didn't take our punishment as a sinner. That's completely bullocks.

No. He did take our punishment should you choose to accept it. It's a free gift.

[deadpie]

No. He did take our punishment should you choose to accept it. It's a free gift.

You're missing my point. If he took OUR punishment of sin that means he would of had to roast in hell for eternity. He only took a days worth of it.

[Korashk]

In the New Testament Jesus Christ abolished the Old Testament laws and covenants and set forth only two.
The Bible says otherwise.

[deadpie]

In the New Testament Jesus Christ abolished the Old Testament laws and covenants and set forth only two.


Not true.

Matthew 5:17-20

17Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. 18For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. 19Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven. 20For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.

[Death]

No. He did take our punishment should you choose to accept it. It's a free gift.

Jesus' death was pretty meaningless considering that God could simply forgive us anyway and yet chooses to exact vengeance on an innocent person instead. Besides, why do some Christians still say people will go to Hell, for the most ridiculous of things (i.e. being homosexual or even simply being born), even today?

[Kiko]

Besides, why do some Christians still say people will go to Hell, for the most ridiculous of things (i.e. being homosexual or even simply being born), even today?

This is inaccurate. The Christian faith has pretty much abandoned the ORIGINAL Bible translation in which there were actually five words that all got translated to today's English version as "hell". If you research you will find that these five words were actually describing different "sections" or levels of hell, if you will, and some sections were more like a purgatory than eternal damnation. So someone who has lived a moral life but refused to believe in God would not be eternally damned but put into a purgatory. That's what The Bible meant to say, however Christians today have interpreted it incorrectly.

[Death]

That's what The Bible meant to say, however Christians today have interpreted it incorrectly.

And it is that which amuses me about some of the half-wits (I'm not talking bout Christianity in general; only those who give the others a bad name) you get today who still make such empty threats.

[The Joker]

I'm glad that homosexuality is considered a sin. I'd like to chill with Hitler.

[KylieEatWorld]

You're missing my point. If he took OUR punishment of sin that means he would of had to roast in hell for eternity. He only took a days worth of it.

Romans 6:23: For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ our Lord.

Hell was never meant for mankind.

This is inaccurate. The Christian faith has pretty much abandoned the ORIGINAL Bible translation in which there were actually five words that all got translated to today's English version as "hell". If you research you will find that these five words were actually describing different "sections" or levels of hell, if you will, and some sections were more like a purgatory than eternal damnation. So someone who has lived a moral life but refused to believe in God would not be eternally damned but put into a purgatory. That's what The Bible meant to say, however Christians today have interpreted it incorrectly.

That's the catholic belief, yes.

Jesus' death was pretty meaningless considering that God could simply forgive us anyway and yet chooses to exact vengeance on an innocent person instead. Besides, why do some Christians still say people will go to Hell, for the most ridiculous of things (i.e. being homosexual or even simply being born), even today?

My answer to that is only that I feel many religious people don't understand the principals of their religion. Jesus was a great philosopher that preached about not judging one another, loving one another, and peaceful resolutions. It saddens me to see that people use religion as an excuse to hate people when it's meant to do just the opposite.

[deadpie]

Romans 6:23: For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ our Lord.

Hell was never meant for mankind.



Matthew 11:20-24:
Then began he to upbraid the cities wherein most of his mighty works were done, because they repented not: Woe unto thee, Chorazin! woe unto thee, Bethsaida! for if the mighty works, which were done in you, had been done in Tyre and Sidon, they would have repented long ago in sackcloth and ashes. But I say unto you, It shall be more tolerable for Tyre and Sidon at the day of judgment, than for you. And thou, Capernaum, which art exalted unto heaven, shalt be brought down to hell: for if the mighty works, which have been done in thee, had been done in Sodom, it would have remained until this day. But I say unto you, That it shall be more tolerable for the land of Sodom in the day of judgment, than for thee.


Sure, we can have a scripture war. Sounds fun to me.

And just for kicks:

Romans 5:12
Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned

You should know the bible if full of contradictions, where it will say you should fear God and then not fear God. So any line you can pull out will probably have one exactly the opposite of it too. Contradictions everywhere!

[KylieEatWorld]

Sure, we can have a scripture war. Sounds fun to me.


I'd rather not.

[Sage]

I'd rather not.

Are you going to address any of the points raised that completely contradict your side of the argument?

[Cryofthewolf]

This is a huge debate in Christianity today, and many Christians, such as me, struggle with feeling attracted to members of the same sex.

I personally feel that it is an ok thing, that we have been reading certain parts of the Bible wrong all this time (translated wrong, etc.) I have also seem Satan working in Christians who hate homosexuality and gay people, which furthers my conviction (whether it be wrong or right) that it isn't a sin.

I can see what the OP was trying to say with his message. He wasn't being 'holier than thou'. as he wasn't saying that he found himself to be superior to those who believe differently. He was also saying that God loves everyone, regardless of who they are or what they believe.

Whether or not Homosexuality is right or wrong, it doesn't effect one's salvation in the Christian faith. We should focus less on people being gay and more on the pain and suffering in the world. God will decide if gay people are wrong or not, not us. Let us live and let live, and stop attacking love in this world, for there is less and less of it everyday.

[Craig1995]

I'd like to just say there's a bibel scholar in England and him and several others believe that the bibel was mistranslated when it comes to homosexuals. It's believed by these people that it actually talked about homosexual RAPE. but it's not widely believed to be true. And I don't particularly believe it