N. Korea fires on S. Korea, killing 1 and injuring 15

[deadpie]

Link (http://www.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/asiapcf/11/23/nkorea.skorea.military.fire/index.html?hpt=T1&iref=BN1)

Seoul, South Korea (CNN) -- North Korea fired artillery toward its tense western sea border with South Korea on Tuesday, killing at least one South Korean soldier, the Yonhap news agency reported.
Two civilians and 13 other South Korean military personnel were injured, with three of the soldiers seriously hurt, Yonhap said.
A Ministry of Defense spokesman contradicted the Yonhap report, saying that no deaths had been confirmed and that the military was checking on possible civilian casualties.
At least 200 rounds of artillery hit an inhabited South Korean island in the Yellow Sea after the North started firing about 2:30 p.m. local time, Yonhap said.
South Korea's military responded with 80 rounds of artillery and deployed fighter jets to counter the fire, the report said.
The South Korean army also raised its alert condition, the report said.
Images of plumes of smoke were quickly broadcast on Yonhap television from the island of Yeonpyeong, but it was not immediately clear what the artillery had hit. The island has a large military garrison.
The island has a total of about 1,300 residents, a fisherman who lives on the island told Yonhap.
Some residents started fleeing for the South Korean mainland, which is about 145 kilometers [90 miles] away. Other residents were seeking shelter at schools.
The South Korean government immediately called an emergency meeting of its security ministers.
South Korean President Lee Myung-bak ordered his ministers to take measures against an escalation of the situation, presidential spokeswoman Kim Hee-jung said, according to Yonhap.
The North Korean fire came as the South's military conducted routine drills in waters off the island, which is about 10 kilometers [6 miles] from the North.
The Yellow Sea has been a longstanding flashpoint between the two Koreas, but Tuesday's attack was an escalation in violence.
"Our navy was conducting a maritime exercise near the western sea border today. North Korea has sent a letter of protest over the drill. We're examining a possible link between the protest and the artillery attack," presidential spokeswoman Kim said, according to Yonhap.
The island is part of a small archipelago about 80 kilometers (49 miles) west of the South Korean port of Inchon, which serves Seoul, and is close to the tense Northern Limit Line, the maritime border between the two Koreas in the Yellow Sea.
A South Korean warship, the Cheonan was sunk in the area in March with the loss of 46 lives in a suspected North Korean torpedo attack.


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Well. This is huh, wow.

[Raptor22]

Holy shit, Korean War II?

[Deathwingo0o]

May even be world war 3. Even Japan want to have a piece of the cake. We don't have to care as long as VT is here ^~^

[Cloud]

May even be world war 2.

not sure where youve been buddy but world war 2 was like 70 ish years ago

but you couldnt really expect them to live as neighbours without shit like this being a common occurance

[Deathwingo0o]

Lol. Wrong typo. Hate voice-speech sometimes. Japan and china want to have a piece of it. Soon, every1 will.

[Nevermore]

Oh, my. I have family in Japan. :( I also have close friends in Korea and their families. This really saddens me.

[Perseus]

Korea: Total War.

[Jess]

oh great -_- I smell another war

[Azunite]

Korea: Total War.

ingenious, Perseus :D

[Clawhammer]

Korea: Total War.

You are awesome. I sacrifice lambs to you.

[scuba steve]

Holy shit, Korean War II?

The war never ended... but yea SK really does have alot of crap to put up with.

[Azunite]

Yeah scuba is right North Korea and South Korea never ended their war, they "had" a ceasefire treaty but they never signed a peace treaty

[Philleeep]

I know i wet myself cuz they have nuclear weapons and if they go off then wtf is gonna happen!

[Azunite]

???
My friend said that South counterattacked by F-16s,

[Perseus]

???
My friend said that South counterattacked by F-16s,

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/40329269/ns/world_news-asiapacific/?GT1=43001

[scuba steve]

I know i wet myself cuz they have nuclear weapons and if they go off then wtf is gonna happen!

I'm really tired of having to repeatedly say this. North Korea, do not have, nuclear weapons... Their current capacity is nuclear plants capable for civil use ie. power generation. But they do not have plutonium or other isotopes needed to weaponise it.

[gbboone]

Kim Jong Ill is just showing off. He's a real life internet-style troll. He is smart enough to know that he can't start a war until he gets a nuclear weapon, and then there's serious repercussions. But he knows that no one is going to risk war over a few dead South Koreans. He's just trying to keep us on our toes.

[Philleeep]

its not north korea who have them. they have the stuff too do it yes. but south korea do have minor nuclear weapons which arent as know about :P

[scuba steve]

its not north korea who have them. they have the stuff too do it yes. but south korea do have minor nuclear weapons which arent as know about :P

South Korea. A developed country, shall never I will repeat that, never use a nuclear weapon unless they have reached the improbable, dire end of it's governmential reign on that country's soil, along with the majority of citizens imprisoned or killed to mean losses would be a majority on their invading enemy's half..... You don't think even the USA has a "farewell plan" with a big button to their nuclear stockpile?

[Azunite]

Well, stand down guys, Calum just spoke

[Daniel_]

Which Korea is the.. Well, say "Bad" Korea. The one with all the nukes, but denies it.

[Minimoose]

America will get involved, therefore England, NATO and China will get involved...you never know, Russia may get in on the action too...it could quite easily become World War III. Let's hope not!


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[Amnesiac]

I knew this would fucking happen. Here it comes guys. 50 years of tension and dick-pumping is about to explode in a bloody war.

[Sage]

Experts suggest a World War 3 scenario is pretty unlikely but if this escalates it could become something of another Gulf War which would still be bad for the world economy.

[Amnesiac]

Experts suggest a World War 3 scenario is pretty unlikely but if this escalates it could become something of another Gulf War which would still be bad for the world economy.

That's what I'm anticipating, mostly because the South is pretty damn tired of the North's shit.

[Sage]

That's what I'm anticipating, mostly because the South is pretty damn tired of the North's shit.

The past two presidents of the south could be described as rather progressive (taking into consideration South Korea's political climate) and their current one is more conservative. The current president has been a bit less passive towards the north, you could say.

Not suggesting that being conservatives are always pro-war or anything- I'm just sharing what I've heard on various news reports. It's easy to believe that this is entirely the North's fault, seeing as we've made something of a game out of demonizing Kim Jong Il and his lackies, but if you look deeper at the situation, both sides are partly to blame for rising tensions.

[Amnesiac]

The past two presidents of the south could be described as rather progressive (taking into consideration South Korea's political climate) and their current one is more conservative. The current president has been a bit less passive towards the north, you could say.

Not suggesting that being conservatives are always pro-war or anything- I'm just sharing what I've heard on various news reports. It's easy to believe that this is entirely the North's fault, seeing as we've made something of a game out of demonizing Kim Jong Il and his lackies, but if you look deeper at the situation, both sides are partly to blame for rising tensions.

True, but it's definitely true that North Korea is the one being aggressive. Conservative or not, ultimately South Korea will act on the advice of its populous that, from the looks of it, wants a retaliation attack. That combined with a more "conservative" president who would be more willing to use military action against the North could be the spiking point for The Korean War, Part II.

[Continuum]

It's really time to end this escapade. I would thank North Korea for even breaking beyond the deterrent, just as they're still going to be pwned all the same at the end. I'm just as clearly excited or in other ways terrified of the consequences, but this really just needs to end. Badly.

[Minimoose]

And there goes America saying they will help South Korea....and now it starts...


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[scuba steve]

And there goes America saying they will help South Korea....and now it starts...


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They've always been there for South Korea's aid since more or less the beginning of the Korean war, the U.S is simply reassuring the small state that they do have friends in very high places to as much as put civilians at ease and for the government to gain the confidence as to what to do next.

[Azunite]

If a war breaks out between "Koreas" , it will be damn short. Unless it turns into a WW

[Amnesiac]

If a war breaks out between "Koreas" , it will be damn short. Unless it turns into a WW

No, not at all. Remember, North Korea has a nuclear arsenal and the 2nd largest number of armed forces (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_number_of_troops) in the world, totaling 9.45 million. Seoul is uncomfortably close to the DMZ, which makes it an easy and massively valuable target for the North.

[Ender]

Maybe with the return of the war M*A*S*H will make a comeback :P (good show)

Anyways... You'd think after all this time they would have handled their shit. Our economy is fucked... we will never recover.

[Kahn]

You realize that no one is anticipating a second attack?

EDIT: Oh, and U.S naval ships are inbound.

[Amnesiac]

You realize that no one is anticipating a second attack?

EDIT: Oh, and U.S naval ships are inbound.

Was that supposed to be ironic?

[Kahn]

Was that supposed to be ironic?

Yes.

[Iceman]

I wish it would have happened for some reason

[Tiberius]

No, not at all. Remember, North Korea has a nuclear arsenal and the 2nd largest number of armed forces (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_number_of_troops) in the world, totaling 9.45 million. Seoul is uncomfortably close to the DMZ, which makes it an easy and massively valuable target for the North.

Yeah, and most of their military personnel are ill-equipped and fighting each other for the last scrap of dog meat. They really aren't a match for South Korea or the US.

[Amnesiac]

Yeah, and most of their military personnel are ill-equipped and fighting each other for the last scrap of dog meat. They really aren't a match for South Korea or the US.

Doesn't mean they can't put up a good fight. Sure, in the end the combined forces of South Korea and its allies will easily destroy the North, but not before the North does some serious damage.

[Continuum]

Doesn't mean they can't put up a good fight. Sure, in the end the combined forces of South Korea and its allies will easily destroy the North, but not before the North does some serious damage.

Like, them firing all of their nuclear arsenal at important targets the world, especially at their Southern counterpart. I believe they could also fire at the US, knowing that they're doomed already the same.

[Amnesiac]

Like, them firing all of their nuclear arsenal at important targets the world, especially at their Southern counterpart. I believe they could also fire at the US, knowing that they're doomed already the same.

I don't think their nukes have a range far enough to affect the continental United States. Hawaii, possibly, but not the other 49 states. Maybe Guam too.

[Continuum]

I don't think their nukes have a range far enough to affect the continental United States. Hawaii, possibly, but not the other 49 states. Maybe Guam too.

Maybe so. They have an economic and technological powerhouse right at their doorstep, and they're trading with them. Even so, they could just nuke every capital city within their vicinity, to retard any possibility of diplomacy.

[scuba steve]

I don't think their nukes have a range far enough to affect the continental United States. Hawaii, possibly, but not the other 49 states. Maybe Guam too.

Well their last missile test proved they couldn't even reach Japan. I'm just sayin.

[Continuum]

Well their last missile test proved they couldn't even reach Japan. I'm just sayin.

Sleeper Agents with strap-on nuclear bombs? :rolleyes:

[Perseus]

North Korea seems to be getting pissy lately.

[Amnesiac]

North Korea seems to be getting pissy lately.

Stating the obvious, eh? :rolleyes:

Well their last missile test proved they couldn't even reach Japan. I'm just sayin.

Now that we know they're continuing to develop these weapons, it's entirely possible that they have something up their sleeve.

Maybe so. They have an economic and technological powerhouse right at their doorstep, and they're trading with them. Even so, they could just nuke every capital city within their vicinity, to retard any possibility of diplomacy.

I don't believe China would sell nukes to North Korea. Anyway, if there was a war, I'm sure their first attack would be on Seoul, South Korea's capital, just to do as much damage as possible before they're overrun by the West.

[Azunite]

North Korea seems to be getting pissy lately.

Thanks Captain Obvious :D

Sleeper Agents with strap-on nuclear bombs? :rolleyes:

OMG, they made that too !? :D

Well their last missile test proved they couldn't even reach Japan. I'm just sayin.

Well scuba you disagreed with everything we have said in favor of North Korea. You could easily load nukes in an ICBM and send them anywhere in the world

[Sith Lord 13]

Well scuba you disagreed with everything we have said in favor of North Korea. You could easily load nukes in an ICBM and send them anywhere in the world

They don't have ICBMs

[CaptainObvious]

I don't think it's realistic to assume that the North is capable of striking the US or any nations far out of its immediate vicinity at this point in time. However, given that they are probably trying to develop a deterrent that kind of capability would seem to be the obvious goal, which is why they need to be stopped. The problem is, even if they can't hit America, South Korea is populous and the world would much, much rather avoid another war on that peninsula.

[Continuum]

I don't believe China would sell nukes to North Korea. Anyway, if there was a war, I'm sure their first attack would be on Seoul, South Korea's capital, just to do as much damage as possible before they're overrun by the West.

That was on my mind. And also, they already have tunnels (http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/dprk/kpa-tunnels.htm) in store in case there was war. :rolleyes:

[Amnesiac]

That was on my mind. And also, they already have tunnels (http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/dprk/kpa-tunnels.htm) in store in case there was war. :rolleyes:

Y'know, North Korea is a lot like the Mexican drug cartels.