Racial Profiling/Racial Profiling in Air Ports

[ShyGuyInChicago]

Do you agree with it? Do you think that it is efficient? On another note, when it comes to airport security should racial profiling be used.

I feel that racial profiling stigmatizes certain groups and can be inefficient because people who are not targeted can end up being overlooked. However, I would accept it if there are no better options.

[Peace God]

Im obviously against it. I dont want cops automatically thinking im up to no good.

...which i probably am :P

[Punk_Kid]

I don't see why not as long as you don't just go after one group. I would rather just have observant guards that judge facial expressions, posture, awkward movements, etc.

[Lights]

Honestly, in airports, I think it's necessary. With the exception of the shoe bomber about 10 years ago, most plane terrorists tend to be Muslim extremists.
If it's gonna keep me safe, I'm for it.
But never should certain racial groups be excluded from profiling, regardless of the extent. That would give an almighty advantage to some.

[Peace God]

I don't see why not as long as you don't just go after one group.


But never should certain racial groups be excluded from profiling, regardless of the extent. That would give an almighty advantage to some.

But allowing racial profiling will inherently cause certain groups to be profiled and discriminated against more than others.

[Lights]

But allowing racial profiling will inherently cause certain groups to be profiled and discriminated against more than others.

But if we're honest with ourselves, Muslim extremists are our biggest threat. We'd be lying if we said there were just as many -insert random religion- extremists as there are Muslim ones. Profiling doesn't necessarily do any harm, and it's viral we have complete safety in airports. One fault on a plane cab be fatal.

[Amnesiac]

If we start racially profiling, the terrorists could easily "hire" someone of a different race to do their dirty work for them. There's really no point, it's best to make sure everyone has the same level of scrutiny. We don't want to start treating some people more harshly and letting others go through more easily, that creates a hole in the system.

[Peace God]

But if we're honest with ourselves, Muslim extremists are our biggest threat. We'd be lying if we said there were just as many -insert random religion- extremists as there are Muslim ones. Profiling doesn't necessarily do any harm, and it's viral we have complete safety in airports. One fault on a plane cab be fatal.
Well i wasnt really talking about airports...different laws apply there. But even then, profiling and treating muslim passengers differently is still wrong. If you think about it the ratio of muslim terrorists to normal muslims is still incredibly high. Also, if muslim terrorists are smart, they're not gonna wear a turban and a robe on their mission. Edit: or as justin pointed out just hire someone of a different race.

[The Joker]

I approve of racial profiling, for me. They automatically assume that because I'm white, I'm doing good things. ;)

[TopGear]

I approve of racial profiling, for me. They automatically assume that because I'm white, I'm doing good things. ;)

lmao....

Anyone watch SNL last night?

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[ShatteredWings]

If we start racially profiling, the terrorists could easily "hire" someone of a different race to do their dirty work for them.
i think they already do.

[Amnesiac]

i think they already do.

Well, there. Racial profiling only creates a hole in the system, it doesn't cover one.

[Sith Lord 13]

Well, there. Racial profiling only creates a hole in the system, it doesn't cover one.

It's just one extra variable that affects probability. Just playing the numbers in order to increase security. That's like saying we shouldn't have extra patrols in high crime areas, we need to increase patrols across the board evenly. It's not true. When you have limited resources, you do what gives you the greatest likelihood.

[Amnesiac]

It's just one extra variable that affects probability. Just playing the numbers in order to increase security. That's like saying we shouldn't have extra patrols in high crime areas, we need to increase patrols across the board evenly. It's not true. When you have limited resources, you do what gives you the greatest likelihood.

Well, there's a difference between terrorism and crime areas in cities. If you place more patrols in one area, it's not like the crime is going to migrate to another area. However, if you start scrutinizing one racial group over another, terrorist organizations will happily use people of different, less "suspicious" races to execute their plans.

[Sith Lord 13]

Well, there's a difference between terrorism and crime areas in cities. If you place more patrols in one area, it's not like the crime is going to migrate to another area. However, if you start scrutinizing one racial group over another, terrorist organizations will happily use people of different, less "suspicious" races to execute their plans.

At which time the most likely race changes and the profiling gets adjusted.

[Amnesiac]

At which time the most likely race changes and the profiling gets adjusted.

Which just creates a never-ending game with the terrorists. It's safer to have the same high level of scrutiny for everyone.

[Sith Lord 13]

Which just creates a never-ending game with the terrorists. It's safer to have the same high level of scrutiny for everyone.

With limitless resources, yes. Until that time, we need to find ways to make our resources go farther.

[Peace God]

At which time the most likely race changes and the profiling gets adjusted.
Good luck figuring out which race the terrorists are most likely to use.

[Amnesiac]

Good luck figuring out which race the terrorists are most likely to use.

The terrorists will always be one step ahead.

With limitless resources, yes. Until that time, we need to find ways to make our resources go farther.

If the government stopped waging war in the Middle East and put more resources into domestic security, it would be better. However, that's a bit off-topic for this thread.

[The Joker]

I have a question. I always hear the term "the terrorists", but can anyone be more specific as to who?

[Sith Lord 13]

Good luck figuring out which race the terrorists are most likely to use.

That's where CIA and NSA comes in.

The terrorists will always be one step ahead.

With the CIA and NSA doing their job, they won't be.

If the government stopped waging war in the Middle East and put more resources into domestic security, it would be better. However, that's a bit off-topic for this thread.

More than a bit but to address your point, it draws the terrorist's focus closer to their home and farther from the US. By disrupting supplies and training camps, you slow down the terrorists.

[Amnesiac]

That's where CIA and NSA comes in.

With the CIA and NSA doing their job, they won't be.

True, but obtaining that information isn't always easy.

More than a bit but to address your point, it draws the terrorist's focus closer to their home and farther from the US. By disrupting supplies and training camps, you slow down the terrorists.

True, but I don't think we need a full-scale war going on. We're off topic, though.

[Sith Lord 13]

True, but obtaining that information isn't always easy.

Easy, no, but it's done. We usually if not always know where they're recruiting from.

[Fact]

I completely agree with what Commander Awesome previously said.
By race profiling in airports, you're basically shooting yourself in the foot a bit here...
More problems would be created. People who WANT to cause trouble are going to do it, whether it be directly or indirectly.

I remember discussing this in class; either the tube or bus bombings in London a few years ago were initiated by a man who had been converted into being a Muslim for the purpose of becoming a terrorist - there are always people out there who WANT to do things like this and will go to any measures to get their wa.

[scuba steve]

Believe it or not even if you say your Northern Irish and your in an international airport staff start profiling you slightly because of the Troubles, even the Americans.

[Fact]

Believe it or not even if you say your Northern Irish and your in an international airport staff start profiling you slightly because of the Troubles, even the Americans.

To me, that's being discriminative.
The problem with these types of issues though is where is the line drawn? How can such things be given in solid evidence?
It's all so wishy-washy and that really bothers me...
In my eyes, people have the right to know where they stand.

[The Dark Lord]

racial profiling it pointless, its sterotypes terrorists as muslim and wearing a turban/veil. It's just another opportunity to attack a race/religion and use them as a scapegoat.

[Fact]

racial profiling it pointless, its sterotypes terrorists as muslim and wearing a turban/veil. It's just another opportunity to attack a race/religion and use them as a scapegoat.

My thoughts exactly.

[scuba steve]

racial profiling it pointless, its sterotypes terrorists as muslim and wearing a turban/veil. It's just another opportunity to attack a race/religion and use them as a scapegoat.

Modern day witch hunt anyone...?

[Bougainvillea]

If it's gonna keep me safe, I'm for it. That's the attitude that brought along the full body scans. And once it's implemented in a major way, pretty much everyone is going to be upset about it. Like said above, I'd prefer generally suspicious characters, and not "Oh shit. His skin's brown and his accent angers me. Lets check him". :P