Women in the Military

[Saturn]

Most people aren't aware of this, but the United States women are not allowed in combat roles in the military. They are limited to non-combat roles, such as driving vehicles, establishing bases, and engineering, just to name a few. I for one am against this, I believe that women are every-bit as capable as men. Sure, most women may be physically weaker than most men, and sure it's possible they could go on their period in the middle of a mission, or a relationship may form between two soldiers, add on to that that males are often more protective of women than they are of other men, and terrorists like to torture females more than they do males (including rape and sexual abuse), plus terrorists think of women as inferior and are less likely to surrender to a female than they would a male.

Despite these "drawbacks," I'm still completely for full rights for women serving in the US military. What are your thoughts on this?

[Jess]

I agree with you.

[Saturn]

In other countries women can serve on the frontlines in other countries. Women in Russia could serve in the infantry since World War I.

[Jess]

yeah I never knew this. the US should let women in combat roles...

[Jenna.]

I also agree, I don't see why women shouldn't be allowed to serve on the frontlines.

[scuba steve]

If they want to let them, there's no reason to not allow it. They knew the risks when they signed that clipboard.

[Clawhammer]

I do think that some boundaries between men and women need to be maintained. From the beginning of time, women have only fought in self defense or demanding home protection from immediate danger. However, I am not sexist, I merely think that women have their place and men have theirs. At the same time, I agree that if they particularly want to, they might as well, since my opinions don't change anything anyway.

[Amnesiac]

I do think that some boundaries between men and women need to be maintained. From the beginning of time, women have only fought in self defense or demanding home protection from immediate danger.

I don't see how this pertains to women being able to serve in combat roles or not. It just states that we should continue the status quo, which doesn't make sense. We have all these women who are capable of serving combat roles in the military, why not let them?

[Sage]

I am not sexist, I merely think that women have their place

This is the most ridiculous thing I have ever heard in Ramblings of the Wise in all my three years.

[Peace God]

I merely think that women have their place and men have theirs.


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[Fact]

However, I am not sexist, I merely think that women have their place and men have theirs.

Is this not contradictory?...

I'm in two minds about this myself, because even if they did let women into combat roles in American Military, they'd be discriminated against for not being stronger than men etc. etc.
Then again, everyone should technically have equal rights, so it's tricky.

[ShatteredWings]

Is this not contradictory?...

I'm in two minds about this myself, because even if they did let women into combat roles in American Military, they'd be discriminated against for not being stronger than men etc. etc.
Then again, everyone should technically have equal rights, so it's tricky.

No, they'd be held to the exact same standards(or should be. Solders shouldn't have 2 standard sets when it's life/death). Isn't that what equal rights is about?

[Fact]

No, they'd be held to the exact same standards(or should be. Solders shouldn't have 2 standard sets when it's life/death). Isn't that what equal rights is about?

For me, equal rights are only truly 'equal' when they're believed. It's alright saying that in theory they're held 'to the same standards', but if in practise they're not, then it's pointless?

[ShatteredWings]

For me, equal rights are only truly 'equal' when they're believed. It's alright saying that in theory they're held 'to the same standards', but if in practise they're not, then it's pointless?

I had meant in practice.

[Fact]

I had meant in practice.

Ehh, I'm still kinda sceptical about the whole thing.
It's kinda hard for me to explain in words that make sense.
US Military doesn't affect me all that much, anyway. Nor do I have much interest in the UK military, so I'm not going to lose sleep over it ^^

[The Joker]

Most people aren't aware of this, but the United States women are not allowed in combat roles in the military. They are limited to non-combat roles, such as driving vehicles, establishing bases, and engineering, just to name a few. I for one am against this, I believe that women are every-bit as capable as men. Sure, most women may be physically weaker than most men, and sure it's possible they could go on their period in the middle of a mission, or a relationship may form between two soldiers, add on to that that males are often more protective of women than they are of other men, and terrorists like to torture females more than they do males (including rape and sexual abuse), plus terrorists think of women as inferior and are less likely to surrender to a female than they would a male.

You just gave provided the argument against yourself. If they find a woman who is as physically capable of any man in the army, who is butch looking, whilst not on her cycle, then she can join. I'm fine with that.

I am not sexist, I merely think that women have their place and men have theirs.

Lol, im not racist but all black people like fried chicken : )

I agree with you.

FAIL. This is Ramblings of the Wise, not "LOL I AGREE WIT U <3".

[Peace God]

Lol, im not racist but all black people like fried chicken : )

not me bitch

[The Joker]

^Vegetarian liberals don't count. :P

[Clawhammer]

To sum up what I had to say, I have mixed feelings. I am somewhat indifferent because it doesn't concern me. I find it strange, but in concession, I see no reason why they should not serve in combat. Complicated, but I'm a weird person.

[Jess]

FAIL. This is Ramblings of the Wise, not "LOL I AGREE WIT U <3".

I just wanted to shorten my power. I pretty must agree with everything in the first post. >_> I didn't have time to make a longer post...

[sCa45]

Actually, I'm in favor of this policy. Women in combat roles fighting men just does not seem fair to me.

[Tristin.]

i think, they could be medics or do other non-front line work, i think women actualy shooting and dieing is wrong

this is only my opinion though

[Sith Lord 13]

i think, they could be medics or do other non-front line work, i think women actualy shooting and dieing is wrong

this is only my opinion though

Why though? Are women weaker than men?

[CaptainObvious]

Why though? Are women weaker than men?

Physically, yes, they most certainly are. Weaker and slower, on average. That said, if the standards required to be a good soldier in combat are attainable by women, they should be permitted to serve. If not, they shouldn't.

[Tristin.]

some are yes, as some men aree weaker than women, but i would hate to hear of a woman dieing, i gues im just old fashoned that way

[Peace God]

Physically, yes, they most certainly are. Weaker and slower, on average. That said, if the standards required to be a good soldier in combat are attainable by women, they should be permitted to serve. If not, they shouldn't.
This is pretty much what it should come down to.
some are yes, as some men aree weaker than women, but i would hate to hear of a woman dieing, i gues im just old fashoned that way
Boo-Frickin-Hoo!... women soldiers shouldnt have to miss out on combat just because of your feelings. They're aware of and prepared for the risks...if they're over it, it shouldnt matter if you are or not.

[Tristin.]

as i said, im old fashoned that way....

be impartial to others opnions and youll go far in life :)

[Amnesiac]

as i said, im old fashoned that way....

be impartial to others opnions and youll go far in life :)

Well, this is a debate forum, any opinion expressed here is open to being contested.

[Tristin.]

true lol haha XD

i guess, to me i just think that if they 100% want to, then they can but if they dont then give them non-front lin roles

[Peace God]

be impartial to others opnions and youll go far in life
Thanks for the advice! :coolthumb:

But seriously this is RoTW, you're entitled to your opinion but dont be surprised if someone disagrees... and nothing i say in RoTW should be taken personally.

[The Dark Lord]

some are yes, as some men aree weaker than women, but i would hate to hear of a woman dieing, i gues im just old fashoned that way

Whereas you get satisfaction if you hear of a man dying?

[SoWhatsUp]

Men and Women are not equal, they never will be. That's how I see it.
Ya know, I'm all for equal rights. But they will never be equal in people's minds.

[Peace God]

Men and Women are not equal, they never will be. That's how I see it.
Ya know, I'm all for equal rights. But they will never be equal in people's minds.
What's your point?

[Amnesiac]

Men and Women are not equal, they never will be. That's how I see it.
Ya know, I'm all for equal rights. But they will never be equal in people's minds.

If we were in the 1930s, you could easily say that about blacks.

[The Dark Lord]

Men and Women are not equal, they never will be. That's how I see it.
Ya know, I'm all for equal rights. But they will never be equal in people's minds.

How do you reach this conclusion?

[Theatheist of doom]

I agree anyone should have the right to apply to do anything

[Iceman]

150 years ago it would have been disgraced if a women was in the military but now they can join and even more, so I think if they want they should be allowed to

[Bmatlman]

i think they should be able to choose what they do.

[Andrew0017]

They should be able to do what they want. If they want to join the military, let them. Whoever says they aren't equal is still living in the past and needs to wake up. Our society isn't like that anymore. (For the most part. Obviously there are some exceptions but you see my point.)

[Azunite]

Do you think an average woman can properly wield an M249 or an M16?
It will simply get them killed.

[jcfla9]

i think, they could be medics or do other non-front line work, i think women actualy shooting and dieing is wrong

this is only my opinion though
Medics are on front line...

[Azunite]

I think by medics he meant surgeons

[ShatteredWings]

Do you think an average woman can properly wield an M249 or an M16?
It will simply get them killed.
Do you think the average man can?

Physical requirements still should stand. If they're not held to the same standard, its not equal

[The Dark Lord]

Do you think an average woman can properly wield an M249 or an M16?
It will simply get them killed.

yes I do. Learning to use guns is part of training, that is a completely sexist and ignorant attitude. Would you rather have a women trained in the army or your average joe public to defend you?

[Peace God]

Do you think an average woman can properly wield an M249 or an M16?
It will simply get them killed.
No, i dont think an average woman could...and neither could an average man. But a solider properly trained to do so (regardless of gender) would be able to handle a weapon.

[Azunite]

You people know what I mean, if they are given rights and if any women wants to go into a crossfire they can surely go in my opinion, but it will be harder for women than men

[The Dark Lord]

You people know what I mean, if they are given rights and if any women wants to go into a crossfire they can surely go in my opinion, but it will be harder for women than men

no it would depend on the individual's ability, rather than gender

[Nevermore]

I agree 100%. Women should have just as much rights as men do in the military. I don't think it's fair that they don't. I didn't even know women didn't have equal rights in the military. Yay for learning something new! :)

[Azunite]

Is there a specific reason why women are not allowed on front lines? Maybe like an excuse from the Military Department or something?

[Amnesiac]

Is there a specific reason why women are not allowed on front lines? Maybe like an excuse from the Military Department or something?

Women, of course, are considered weaker. There's also considerable benefit in large-scale war where woman can take over the jobs of men while they're overseas.

[OnceMoreWithFeeling]

Woman should be able to do EVERY thing that men are aloud to do. Females can shoot guns, just as well as men. The government has always been sexist, its time to change this. Men have started taking on female roles and females have been taking on the "man's" role. HAs the line between sexs not been blurred enough? Come on its 2010!

[Azunite]

Although I don't have any concrete evidence to give you guys, I still think that male troops would be way more better than male + female troops at the frontlines.
Males just grab a gun and fire, but women handle almost everything besides gunfighting at the back lines.

[OnceMoreWithFeeling]

Although I don't have any concrete evidence to give you guys, I still think that male troops would be way more better than male + female troops at the frontlines.
Males just grab a gun and fire, but women handle almost everything besides gunfighting at the back lines.

That is total BS I can shoot things as well as my Uncles and I am 30+ years younger then them! I have a better shot then most boys at my school. It is insane to think that females can not "grab a gun and fire".

[Peace God]

Why do people think that physical strength is the most important part of being a soldier?

I still think that male troops would be way more better than male + female troops at the frontlines.
Not really, i think that having women on the frontlines would get under the skin of our current enemy.

[The Dark Lord]

Although I don't have any concrete evidence to give you guys, I still think that male troops would be way more better than male + female troops at the frontlines.
Males just grab a gun and fire, but women handle almost everything besides gunfighting at the back lines.

The reason you don't have any concrete evidence is because it doesn't exist. Everything you have written is total BS. When you say men just grab and fire what do you expect women to do? hair and make up before firing?

[Azunite]

The reason you don't have any concrete evidence is because it doesn't exist. Everything you have written is total BS. When you say men just grab and fire what do you expect women to do? hair and make up before firing?

You completely misunderstood me, what I tried to say there was that while men were on frontlines women could do anything that is needed to be done behind the lines, from surgeons to drivers to any military HQ stuff.

[Sith Lord 13]

You completely misunderstood me, what I tried to say there was that while men were on frontlines women could do anything that is needed to be done behind the lines, from surgeons to drivers to any military HQ stuff.

Which men can do equally well.

[ShaneK]

Woman are the deadlier sex. I don't see why woman can't be soldiers like men

[OnceMoreWithFeeling]

Woman are the deadlier sex. I don't see why woman can't be soldiers like men

Damn stright! XD (please excuse my french)

[Azunite]

Woman are the deadlier sex. I don't see why woman can't be soldiers like men

Woman are the deadlier sex? That's only at Lara Croft films

[salema]

Men and Women are not equal, they never will be. That's how I see it.
Ya know, I'm all for equal rights. But they will never be equal in people's minds.

iam agree with u

[The Dark Lord]

iam agree with u

Your nonexistant sentence structure and inability to type in english say more about you than your sexist viewpoint

[Azunite]

Your nonexistant sentence structure and inability to type in english say more about you than your sexist viewpoint

You sir, are a Grammar Nazi :P

[The Dark Lord]

You sir, are a Grammar Nazi :P

I apologise for not recognising the word "iam" as english.

[ShaneK]

PrincessOfMadness. Leaving my experience aside. There is Joan of Arc, Mata Hari, Boudicca, not forgetting Josephine who taunted Napolean mercilessly about his ... size which some would say led to his wars and conquests. I would be glad to tell you about if you don't know anything

[Azunite]

PrincessOfMadness. Leaving my experience aside. There is Joan of Arc, Mata Hari, Boudicca, not forgetting Josephine who taunted Napolean mercilessly about his ... size which some would say led to his wars and conquests. I would be glad to tell you about if you don't know anything

Sorry but what are you talking about?

[ShaneK]

You said women are only the deadlier sex in lara croft films - I just thought a few historical examples might help prove women can be in the military

[Fiction]

It's the same in the UK. Men and men may also end up just as more than friends, people seem to forget that. Also in modern warfare since when did people fight face to face? Nowadays it's all guns and missiles, hardly ever do people end up face to face.
I think that saying the world is no longer sexist is a lie. Women will always be predjudiced against however "fair" the world becomes, and this is just evidence for that.

[Fact]

I think that saying the world is no longer sexist is a lie. Women will always be predjudiced against however "fair" the world becomes, and this is just evidence for that.

↑ exactly this.

The same goes for racism, homophobia, and pretty much every irrational form of discrimination. They will never truly be eradicated.

[Sith Lord 13]

I think that saying the world is no longer sexist is a lie. Women will always be predjudiced against however "fair" the world becomes, and this is just evidence for that.

I agree, I think sexism will never be erased, but now it can be just as easily be men who are being discriminated against.

[The Dark Lord]

PrincessOfMadness. not forgetting Josephine who taunted Napolean mercilessly about his ... size which some would say led to his wars and conquests.

You think Napoleon did what he did because of his size?

Leaving my experience aside.

Your experience counts for nothing

Cengiz has an attitude which is roughly 50 years out of date, men and women are now, legally, equal and are capable of doing similar tasks. There will be girls your age that are smarter than you, can run faster than you and are taller than you, why wouldn't they be able to fire a gun as well as or better than you?

[Sith Lord 13]

Your experience counts for nothing

That is not true. Anecdotal evidence may be worth less, but it's not worth nothing.

[Azunite]

Cengiz has an attitude which is roughly 50 years out of date, men and women are now, legally, equal and are capable of doing similar tasks. There will be girls your age that are smarter than you, can run faster than you and are taller than you, why wouldn't they be able to fire a gun as well as or better than you?

There are few things a lot of women cannot do what men do. And there are few things a lot of men cannot do what women do. That is the way how women and men are balanced. That is how they are equal.

[Jess]

yes but women can handle a gun just as well as men can

[Korashk]

There are few things a lot of women cannot do what men do. And there are few things a lot of men cannot do what women do. That is the way how women and men are balanced. That is how they are equal.
Name one thing that differentiates men and women that isn't purely biological.

[Azunite]

Name one thing that differentiates men and women that isn't purely biological.

Well, it has no relevance to topic but if you ask it,
Women are kinder than men.

[Jess]

that not necessarily true though

Right now I can't think of anything woman can do men cannot and vice versa....unless you count doing your hair or whatever...maybe

[The Dark Lord]

Well, it has no relevance to topic but if you ask it,
Women are kinder than men.

idiotic sterotype. try again.

[Azunite]

Hey guys an advice why don't you send this thread to Department of War?

[Sith Lord 13]

Hey guys an advice why don't you send this thread to Department of War?

a) There is no Department of War. Just a Department of Defense.

b) This argument has raged for decades. A few teenagers won't sway the decision.

[Azunite]

a) There is no Department of War. Just a Department of Defense.

b) This argument has raged for decades. A few teenagers won't sway the decision.

My mistake, I refered to Defense