Poppy Burning!

[Chris_Likes_Drums]

ARGH!!!!!!!!!!!!!
That is all I can say, Armistice Day,(Rememberence Day) remembering the fallen heroes that gave their life's for us. And then Muslim extremists break the 2 min silence to shout "British Troops burn in Hell!" Then set a-light to a large poppy. After this they got escorted away to stop them from being attacked by counter-protesters. of which some got arrested for telling these muslim extremists to go home if they aint happy. Is it just me or is this wrong? Some guy in Texas was going to burn the Quran but was threatened so didn't and he would have started WW3.... But they can do this?! HONESTLY?!!?! How the fuck can this seriously happen?! The UK is falling to pieces!

Just needed to let it out, I personaly have nothing against Muslims, they're peaceful, Its extremists who use religion as a reason to do whatever the hell they want!!

For more details and photos of this outrageous and provocative behaviour have a look at:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1328703/Remembrance-Day-Poppy-burning-Muslim-protesters-mar-Armistice-Day.html

[Fiction]

WTF! That is ridiculous. Fucking hell.

[scuba steve]

I doubt how burning the book would cause WW3, but yes I get where your anger is coming from, you can't very well be disgraced by that Southerner who threatened to burn the book when Muslim extremests go ahead and do much worse in equivalency.

[Tiberius]

TWPR :arrow: Daily Chronicle.

[SlightlySane]

At the risk of sounding horribly stupid/american... Can someone explain to me what a poppy is?

[Chris_Likes_Drums]

At the risk of sounding horribly stupid/american... Can someone explain to me what a poppy is?

A small red flower.
Basically, to remember the fallen heroes of WW1 WW2 and every other war we have a 2 min silence on 11/11 every year at 11AM (when the 1st world war ended) and from the mass graves of soldiers who died in the trenches, poppies began to grow, so every year people but a paper poppy to give to the British Legion in order to help give money to them so they can look after wounded soldiers who return from war.

[Magus]

I hope you guys don't mind my comical side postin' here.
Just needed to let it out, I personaly have nothing against Muslims, they're peaceful, Its extremists who use religion as a reason to do whatever the hell they want!!
WRONG!

"And kill them wherever you find them, and drive them out from whence they drove you out, and persecution is severer than slaughter, and do not fight with them at the Sacred Mosque until they fight with you in it, but if they do fight you, then slay them; such is the recompense of the unbelievers." ~ Qur'an 2:191

We are ordered to kill Infidels, such as you! Our reward is high when we perform Jihad in the name of Allah!

Read this Click me! (http://www.truthandgrace.com/muslimkillcommands.htm) And educate yourself, Muslims are born to kill and to be killed!

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[steve1234]

First of all, i'm not really sure what the point of Electric Nomad's post is, but maybe i'm missing something. Anyway........

I was really horrified when I found out about these pathetic extremists. It made me feel sick.

Its amazing how they are allowed to get away with it...this is what makes Britain a complete joke, but I suppose thats free speech for you.

You could not get any lower. The scumbags who did this protest are further ruining race relations here in the UK, and upsetting A LOT of people. I haven't lost any family members or friends in Afganistan, so I dread to think how they feel about this, where there are people living in the country who want our soldiers to 'burn in hell'.

What I find unbelievable is how the extremists are protected (NOT arrested) by the Police, which they have done many times, HOW THE FUCK is this acceptable?

ANYONE (black, white, christian, muslim etc etc etc) preaching RACIST HATE should be arrested, not protected.

The UK is one of the greatest in the world, with freedom and opportunities etc, and I like living here, but it really has alot of things to sort out. Britain has become a huge joke. The rest of the EU laugh at us, and so does America. I'm not sure I would say i'm proud to be British.

[Chris_Likes_Drums]

So you think that the poppy burning is okay? And modern day society changes what was written hundreds (if not thousands) of years ago. If someone killed someone close to you because of your religion, you wouldn't be too chuffed now would you? That's why we DON'T run round killing people and using religion as a way around it all. What you're implying is okay is another holy crusades. Which was a BAD thing if ever there was.

[Magus]

ANYONE (black, white, christian, muslim etc etc etc) preaching RACIST HATE should be arrested, not protected.

Hmmm... really? Let's then draw the pedophile Mohammad.
It won't hurt anyone, right? It doesn't targets a specific race or group, right? It is just a silly cartoon that won't kill anyone, right?

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Poppy burning... first thing came in mind was this...
http://theangloamerican.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/opium-poppy.jpg

[UnknownError]

2 years ago at my primary school we had a two minute silence in the playground bit and each class stood in circles. Then some idiot went "HAIL HITLAAAAAAAAAA!" and ran around the playground. :/
We all laughed at the time but now I realise how sick it was.

[Sith Lord 13]

Free speech is free speech. You don't have to like it, but they have that right.

[ShatteredWings]

Free speech is free speech. You don't have to like it, but they have that right.

UK doesn't have the extent of freedom of speech that exists in the US

[mrmcdonaldduck]

Sick bastards. I hope that at their funerals, people burn there stuff, and scream out that they are going to hell. See how they like it.

But, the irony is, because they are Muslims, no one will do it, and anyone who does will get stoned to death, because of terrible backlash. Double standards much?

[DreamSeeker]

This was just sick and horrible!


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[Fiction]

Freedom of speech and respect are two different things.

[Chris_Likes_Drums]

Freedom of speech and respect are two different things.

Exactly, many muslims died in many conflicts, so they could at least honoured their dead.

[Magus]

Sick bastards. I hope that at their funerals, people burn there stuff, and scream out that they are going to hell. See how they like it.

But, the irony is, because they are Muslims, no one will do it, and anyone who does will get stoned to death, because of terrible backlash. Double standards much?

Exactly! Anyone who comes to our funerals and says to us to go to hell, we will cut their hands and burn their tongues with ember or better yet stoned them to death!

Allah Akbar!

[Sugaree]

Wow, a flower burned. Seriously, what's the big deal? Yeah probably not the BEST thing to do in front of a huge gathering such as this, but still.

[steve1234]

Wow, a flower burned. Seriously, what's the big deal? Yeah probably not the BEST thing to do in front of a huge gathering such as this, but still.

Well, its a little bit more than 'just a flower'. It represents the thousands of people who have died in conflicts across the world.

[Sugaree]

Well, its a little bit more than 'just a flower'. It represents the thousands of people who have died in conflicts across the world.

But in the end, what is it really? That's just the representation/symbolism of the object. It's just a flower if you ask me. If you want something to represent all those who have died as a result of war, use them as representation.

[Chris_Likes_Drums]

But in the end, what is it really? That's just the representation/symbolism of the object. It's just a flower if you ask me. If you want something to represent all those who have died as a result of war, use them as representation.

And yet, if someone burnt the quran, it'd just be a "book" however it symbolises and means so much more to people. As well as if someone did they'd get stoned to death by extremists... Double standards?

[Fiction]

And yet, if someone burnt the quran, it'd just be a "book" however it symbolises and means so much more to people. As well as if someone did they'd get stoned to death by extremists... Double standards?

I agree. They also didn't only burn the poppy but interupted the 2 minutes silence dedicated to all those people who have lost there life in any war or conflict, not even just the british soldiers, but their own people too.

[The Dark Lord]

I agree. They also didn't only burn the poppy but interupted the 2 minutes silence dedicated to all those people who have lost there life in any war or conflict, not even just the british soldiers, but their own people too.

What if you think Iraq and Afganistan are illegal, the british army are murderers and Tony Blair is a war criminal?

I don't agree with it but people are entitled to their opinions

[Sith Lord 13]

What if you think Iraq and Afganistan are illegal, the british army are murderers and Tony Blair is a war criminal?

I don't agree with it but people are entitled to their opinions

Theirs not to reason why,
Theirs but to do and die



No soldier made the decision to go to war, they did what they were told, there is no reason to disrupt a moment of peace for them. You want to protest the war, fine, you don't protest the soldiers.

[The Dark Lord]

No soldier made the decision to go to war, they did what they were told, there is no reason to disrupt a moment of peace for them. You want to protest the war, fine, you don't protest the soldiers.

I agree with you, but, there are people who believe that the british army have murdered civilians and this has been covered up. Didn't wiki leaks revealed that an additional 70000 civilians had died in Iraq than had been announced?

Also many people feel that Haig (the General who created the appeal) was a murderer who discredited Sir John French to gain credit

Soldiers choose to serve in Afganistan, its not forced upon them.

[Sith Lord 13]

Anything the leadership does has nothing to do with the soldiers. Also, this is for all soldiers of all wars of all time. Just because you have issue with a current war doesn't mean you should dishonor all other soldiers.

[The Dark Lord]

Anything the leadership does has nothing to do with the soldiers.

how?

[Sith Lord 13]

how?

The soldiers have no say in what the leadership does. Again, "Theirs is not to question why."

[The Dark Lord]

The soldiers have no say in what the leadership does. Again, "Theirs is not to question why."

couldn't the soldiers quit if they are fighting in an illegal war that they don't believe in?

[Sith Lord 13]

couldn't the soldiers quit if they are fighting in an illegal war that they don't believe in?

Not without taking a dishonorable discharge which follows you for the rest of your life and pretty much screws the rest of your future. (At least in the US) Also, there's the issue of military discipline. You do not question orders. Questioning orders gets you killed. (By the enemy, just so we're clear) They're trained to follow these orders, no matter what.

[The Dark Lord]

Not without taking a dishonorable discharge which follows you for the rest of your life and pretty much screws the rest of your future. (At least in the US) Also, there's the issue of military discipline. You do not question orders. Questioning orders gets you killed. (By the enemy, just so we're clear) They're trained to follow these orders, no matter what.

its becoming too difficult to argue in favour of something I believe its wrong.

Nevertheless people have a right to voice their opinion, we live in a free country

[Sugaree]

And yet, if someone burnt the quran, it'd just be a "book" however it symbolises and means so much more to people. As well as if someone did they'd get stoned to death by extremists... Double standards?

It's not a double standard. Far from it. I could burn a poppy and Q'uran without a problem. The only way an object represents something is if you give it that representation. To me, a Q'uran is as much a book as a poppy is as much a flower. I see no double standard. I could care less if someone burns a flower or some book.

[Sith Lord 13]

its becoming too difficult to argue in favour of something I believe its wrong.

I respect that. Taking a position you don't believe in can be fun but it tends to be tiring too.

Nevertheless people have a right to voice their opinion, we live in a free country

This is true, but I feel this should fall under the principal of fighting words, that in it is so intentionally provocative that if someone hits you over it, they shouldn't be legally liable.

[Amnesiac]

It's not a double standard. Far from it. I could burn a poppy and Q'uran without a problem. The only way an object represents something is if you give it that representation. To me, a Q'uran is as much a book as a poppy is as much a flower. I see no double standard. I could care less if someone burns a flower or some book.

Indeed. People get worked up over everything. Symbolism is symbolism, and nothing more. If they were actually making legitimate threats against the lives of soldiers, threats they could carry out, then there would be reason to get your panties in a knot, but for now it's just a bunch of brainwashed people who think they're holier-than-thou.

[Chris_Likes_Drums]

I get more respect from the soldiers doing their job even if they don't believe in it. Because they do a professional job and if they didn't give 110% everyday they're out in conflict, their co-workers (and also friends) die, which is why they do as they're told.
And as well as the destruction of the symbolism, they broke the 2 min silence of rememberence to the millions who have been lost in or due to conflict. That is the bit that irritates me the most.

[steve1234]

Indeed. People get worked up over everything. Symbolism is symbolism, and nothing more. If they were actually making legitimate threats against the lives of soldiers, threats they could carry out, then there would be reason to get your panties in a knot, but for now it's just a bunch of brainwashed people who think they're holier-than-thou.

Well these extremists had posters saying 'british soldiers burn in hell', which I would find to be quite a threat.

I think burning a poppy is similar to vandalising a grave. So, the gravestone is just a stone, but vandalising it is not just damaging the stone, but also is incredibly disrespectful to the dead, and would also be horribly upsetting for people who visit the grave. This is why people are so horrified that these idiots burned the poppy.

[Amnesiac]

Well these extremists had posters saying 'british soldiers burn in hell', which I would find to be quite a threat.

I think burning a poppy is similar to vandalising a grave. So, the gravestone is just a stone, but vandalising it is not just damaging the stone, but also is incredibly disrespectful to the dead, and would also be horribly upsetting for people who visit the grave. This is why people are so horrified that these idiots burned the poppy.

Saying someone should "burn in hell" is not a threat, because hell is a figment of imagination.

Burning a flower is nowhere near the same as vandalizing a gravesite. Sure, it's culturally disrespectful, but legally there's nothing anyone can or should do about it. They can hold their disgusting opinions if they wish, and express those opinions, as long as they don't cross the line. This is not crossing the line.

[Sugaree]

Saying someone should "burn in hell" is not a threat, because hell is a figment of imagination.

It's actually not a threat on the grounds that it is not something that can happen physically. Though describing it as a "figment of imagination" is correct, that isn't really a valid reason to say it isn't a threat.

[Tristin.]

and people wonder why there is racism in the world......

[Amnesiac]

It's actually not a threat on the grounds that it is not something that can happen physically. Though describing it as a "figment of imagination" is correct, that isn't really a valid reason to say it isn't a threat.

Well, since I said it's a figment of imagination, which it is, that makes it something that can't happen physically anyway. So I guess it all boils down to the same thing.

[Sith Lord 13]

Saying someone should "burn in hell" is not a threat, because hell is a figment of imagination.

Aside from the fact that calling it imaginary is ridiculously disrespectful and close minded, (I may not agree with it, but that's no reason to call it imaginary.) the fact that they believe in it is sufficient to make it a threat, as the act that sends them to hell (death) is not in the least imaginary.

[Magus]

And yet, if someone burnt the quran, it'd just be a "book" however it symbolises and means so much more to people. As well as if someone did they'd get stoned to death by extremists... Double standards?

No, someone burnt the Quran and start peeing on it. He will die, very nicely and accordingly.

Also, for the guy who start shooting Quran. We will start shooting his ass, just wait and see.

[ShaneK]

Its as simple as if you dont like it dont live there. No country is gonna change just because the new migrants want it to be more like home. If they want more like home, find somewhere more like home them.

Most muslims are not like that, but saying that there is freedom of speech to consider.

But the muslims protesting are ignorant. I aint english, but aint poppy day about raising money to look after those who have served in the forces. England is or rather the uk has had the most military delpoyments after france, the u.s. is third. Thats besides the point the poppy day is for all soliders who served in the wars.

It is more associated traditionally with the 2nd world war, my friend in london knows lady odette dowding, whom married into the son of the Air Chief Marshal Lord Dowding, who led Fighter Command during the Battle of Britain. It is for all wars, but the commerative poppy reefs are mostly second war world. And thats why i know all this

I aint in favor of tha war at all, but disrespect towards the dead who gave their lives for there freedom is inexcusable

[Amnesiac]

Aside from the fact that calling it imaginary is ridiculously disrespectful and close minded, (I may not agree with it, but that's no reason to call it imaginary.)

:P

...the fact that they believe in it is sufficient to make it a threat, as the act that sends them to hell (death) is not in the least imaginary.

There's a significant difference between "you should burn in hell" and "I will send you to hell". "Burn in hell" is a pretty common term, almost never interpreted as a threat.

[Chris_Likes_Drums]

Its as simple as if you dont like it dont live there.
Most muslims are not like that, but saying that there is freedom of speech to consider.

But the muslims protesting are ignorant. I aint english, but aint poppy day about raising money to look after those who have served in the forces. England is or rather the uk has had the most military delpoyments after france, the u.s. is third. Thats besides the point the poppy day is for all soliders who served in the wars.

It is more associated traditionally with the 2nd world war, my friend in london knows lady odette dowding, whom married into the son of the Air Chief Marshal Lord Dowding, who led Fighter Command during the Battle of Britain. It is for all wars, but the commerative poppy reefs are mostly second war world. And thats why i know all this

I aint in favor of tha war at all, but disrespect towards the dead who gave their lives for there freedom is inexcusable

Yeah, it's about remembering ANYONE who has fallen in ANY conflict, and I agree that it is inexcusable for any disrespect towards them. They could have just remembered their own fallen heroes, but instead had to provoke racial hatred towards Muslims!
And with the freedom of speech, In the US freedom of speech goes further than here. But freedom of speech and respect are two completely different things.

[Amnesiac]

And with the freedom of speech, In the US freedom of speech goes further than here. But freedom of speech and respect are two completely different things.

Not really. Freedom of speech includes the freedom to be disrespectful.

[Chris_Likes_Drums]

But in the US people can exercise their freedom of speech more than in the UK.

[Amnesiac]

But in the US people can exercise their freedom of speech more than in the UK.

Doesn't the EU Charter of Fundamental Rights (http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Charter_of_Fundamental_Rights_of_the_European_Union#CHAPTER_II._FREEDOMS) have a liberalizing effect on UK speech law?

[Chris_Likes_Drums]

Yeah, but in the US people can say what they want, where as everything must be completely PC over here. or you're suddenly a racist, sexist communist.but if anyone else says something from an "ethnic minority" their word is law.
What the extremist muslims said, I bet if I went in whilst they were praying and with loads of mates started screaming that they'll burn in hell. That I'd have people trying to kill me. Am I not right?

[ShaneK]

yeah your right freedom of speech goes much further in the us. But when this "war" started if anyone criticized it they were called unpatriotic, i knew people who wouldnt speak out against it. One of my friends fighting in iraq is from texas, he felt ashamed to be a texan cos of the war and bush.

Hows that for freedom of speech, in law yes, but in society not. Things are different now, but remember how they were all those years a go

[Amnesiac]

Yeah, but in the US people can say what they want, where as everything must be completely PC over here. or you're suddenly a racist, sexist communist.but if anyone else says something from an "ethnic minority" their word is law.
What the extremist muslims said, I bet if I went in whilst they were praying and with loads of mates started screaming that they'll burn in hell. That I'd have people trying to kill me. Am I not right?

I don't know what's up with your Muslim minority, but there's definitely something wrong considering how extremist it's becoming. The United States has a high level of political correctness as well, but I'd say it's not the same as in the UK. Many of your Muslims are borderline terrorists, while the ones over here are relatively calm and peaceful.

[ShaneK]

We must be careful not to put the minority with the majority.

Also geopolitical it was stupid removing the most pro-western leader from the middle east. Saddam Hussien. Once he was gone the three fractions began their fighting.....

[Aceso]

I think its important to honor and respect anybody who has died. We are all human, we all deserve to be treated fairly.
I can't understand why some people dont understand this. :(

[Chris_Likes_Drums]

I think its important to honor and respect anybody who has died. We are all human, we all deserve to be treated fairly.
I can't understand why some people dont understand this. :(

Such true words :)

also, Commander Awesome, in the US you have mainly Christians as a majority, but over here it is no longer a minority to be muslim, sikh, or any other "Minority" the UK is quite balanced between these 3 major religions. and I have said loads in my posts that it's only a few Muslims who are extremists and not all of them.

[The Dark Lord]

Doesn't the EU Charter of Fundamental Rights (http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Charter_of_Fundamental_Rights_of_the_European_Union#CHAPTER_II._FREEDOMS) have a liberalizing effect on UK speech law?

The British are so Eurosceptic that people pay little or no attention to the nonsense the EU sprouts.

Such true words :)

also, Commander Awesome, in the US you have mainly Christians as a majority, but over here it is no longer a minority to be muslim, sikh, or any other "Minority" the UK is quite balanced between these 3 major religions. and I have said loads in my posts that it's only a few Muslims who are extremists and not all of them.

Britain is mainly a protestant country, it is not an even split between sikh, muslim and christianity. Derby is not a representation of the majority of britain, there are too many immigrants in Derby is proportion to other areas of the UK

[steve1234]

Such true words :)

also, Commander Awesome, in the US you have mainly Christians as a majority, but over here it is no longer a minority to be muslim, sikh, or any other "Minority" the UK is quite balanced between these 3 major religions. and I have said loads in my posts that it's only a few Muslims who are extremists and not all of them.

Muslims are still a minority in the UK, and is still a mainly Christian country. Although, the Muslim population is second highest to Christians, and it is rising rapidly.
The 2001 census data for the UK shows the Christian religion as 71.6%, and the Muslim religion as 2.7%. That was almost 10 years ago, so would be different know, but not that different.
If you read a paper like the Daily Mail, you may believe the 'white christian' population is being completley wiped out, but this is really not the case. Although, this population is getting smaller, whereas the 'minority' population is quickly getting higher.

[Max630]

Its as simple as if you dont like it dont live there. No country is gonna change just because the new migrants want it to be more like home. If they want more like home, find somewhere more like home them.

Most muslims are not like that, but saying that there is freedom of speech to consider.

But the muslims protesting are ignorant. I aint english, but aint poppy day about raising money to look after those who have served in the forces. England is or rather the uk has had the most military delpoyments after france, the u.s. is third. Thats besides the point the poppy day is for all soliders who served in the wars.

It is more associated traditionally with the 2nd world war, my friend in london knows lady odette dowding, whom married into the son of the Air Chief Marshal Lord Dowding, who led Fighter Command during the Battle of Britain. It is for all wars, but the commerative poppy reefs are mostly second war world. And thats why i know all this

I aint in favor of tha war at all, but disrespect towards the dead who gave their lives for there freedom is inexcusable


I would like to point out that your comments about the origin of “Poppy Day”, or as it is correctly known “Remembrance Day”, are not correct. This relates to the horrific loss of life during the “Great War” in Europe, 1914-1918, when medical facilities were very primitive compared to the hi-tech of today and suffering of the wounded was terrible.

The Story Behind the Remembrance Poppy
This is the story of how the red field poppy came to be known as an internationally recognized symbol of Remembrance.
From its association with poppies flowering in the spring of 1915 on the battlefields of Belgium, France and Gallipoli this vivid red flower has become synonymous with great loss of life in war.
Yet the scope of the poppy and its connection with the memory of those who have died in war has been expanded to help the living too. It was the inspiration and dedication of two women who promoted this same “Memorial Flower” as the means by which funds could be raised to support those in need of help, most especially servicemen and civilians suffering from physical and mental hardship as a result of war.

I was very interested to learn that you have a friend in London who knows Odette Dowding. Do tell me who he is, as I also know her and knew her late husband, Derek, before she did.

You might like to know more about the genius of Air Chief Marshal Dowding of Bentley Priory, see:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hugh_Dowding,_1st_Baron_Dowding

The latest biography “DOWDING OF FIGHTER COMMAND” will tell his long and distinguished history from when he joined the Royal Garrison Artillery in 1900 at the age of 17½; his interest in the early aeroplanes, (he passed his private flying licence in 1913), joined the Royal Flying Corps fighting in the 1st World War in Belgium & France. By now the most experienced RAF officer, in July 1936 he was appointed chief of the new RAF Fighter Command. This was responsible for the air defence of the British Isles. Through his strategy of linking the new fast evolving technologies of that time: fast monoplane aircraft, what we now call radar that was in it’s infancy, air raid warning system, anti-aircraft guns, searchlights, sound locators and the Royal Observer Corps, who were vital in tracking the enemy aircraft formations when they had crossed the British coastline and were behind the radar aerials.

The Battle of Britain:
http://www.battleofbritain1940.net/document-8.html

Had Dowding lost the Battle of Britain, history would well have taken a different course, perhaps eventually with further development of the V2 long-range ballistic missile developed by space scientist von Braun
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wernher_von_Braun
with attacks on the USA!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WjFTN-YdK_M