Homosexuals - Born or Become?

[LilTurtle]

i was born that way. i know that my parents think there may be a pill for that.

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[embers]

Hey, I know that. I was just saying I don't think I'm like the gay stereotype which is to go shopping for clothes and sorts. I think I'm like a lot of other boys, except I like boys and don't have that interest in girls.

That shouldn't make you doubt your sexuality, though. If anything, it should make you feel stronger about who you are - you're gay, but you've broken off from the stereotype.

[kevinjk]

i believe that they r born this way

[redmann]

pretty sure your born gay. cause i know for a fact i didnt just wake up and think. hmm what are some ways to disappoint my parents? maybe ill be gay

[the wasabi]

I believe that both can be a factor.....although i voted that it's probably become.

my belief for all things (homosexuality, success in school, and other stuff) is based on your surroundings. lets say we have a medically depressed kid and it runs through his genes and he has a brother who also has depression. but they're separated at birth. he is raised by a rich family who provides with all of his needs, he has lots of friends, but he still has depression. the brother, on the other hand, was raised by a poor family, has no friends, struggles in school, and he too has depression. now which one do you think would show more of their depression? the brother of course because he was exposed to it more. i guess what I'm trying to go at is that there could be some genetic factor in homosexuality, but the exposure to that is more affecting.

[Nilnoc]

I think it's a genetic occurance, but it might not present itself until later in life.

[Bath]

Baby, you were born this way. [;

[cassann08]

being straight - born or become? o.O

[Zazu]

being straight - born or become? o.O

:)


I find the idea of one being born gay just as easy to believe as most do of being born straight.

[ghostbom]

I don't want to upset anyone, but I believe that you can become gay, as I didn't like the thought of other guys sexually until I had 'experimented' with some from, but I'm not fully homosexual, I am bisexual.

[Death]

I don't want to upset anyone, but I believe that you can become gay, as I didn't like the thought of other guys sexually until I had 'experimented' with some from, but I'm not fully homosexual, I am bisexual.

Or maybe you were bisexual from the start but didn't really have sexual feelings for these guys until you were mature enough to do so. I understand that one's sexuality can be swayed as explained before in this thread, but I would have thought that it would have taken more than mere experimentation. I'm not saying this is definitely the case, but it's an idea at least.

[Starlight Blaze]

well I like this way of looking at it
everyone is born bisexual but becomes whatever they become through life experiences
i think that was Freuid
not sure tho

[Death]

well I like this way of looking at it
everyone is born bisexual but becomes whatever they become through life experiences
i think that was Freuid
not sure tho

Bisexuality is having sexual attractions to both sexes which is something which I'm sure many young people won't have. Asexual would have made sense, but bisexual sounds too far fetched.

[Starlight Blaze]

Bisexuality is having sexual attractions to both sexes which is something which I'm sure many young people won't have. Asexual would have made sense, but bisexual sounds too far fetched.

that is a valid point. Okay i change that to born asexual.
That does sound a lot better

[Raiders]

I belief its a sorta nature vs nuture thing and its both. To some extent they are born that way but I also believe things they experience and their enviroment play a role too. I feel horrible for saying "they" as if they arent people....but anyways, its both. Different brain structure and things they experience both play a role!

[Death]

I belief its a sorta nature vs nuture thing and its both. To some extent they are born that way but I also believe things they experience and their enviroment play a role too.

What sort of role? What, in your eyes, could specifically influence someone's sexuality?

I feel horrible for saying "they" as if they arent people

'They' is collective pronoun which is commonly used; it is not generically dehumanising.

[salty]

They are definitely born that way

[A.J.]

I can see nurture vs nature since its in our dna to reproduce, BUT i cant help it that i'm attracted to women, so that comes into thought. Either way I dont feel anythings wrong with it. Everyone's a little gay

[blaine97]

Definitely become. I just cannot see how you can argue otherwise... I'm a conservative, was I born that way? I'm straight, was I born that way? I like rock and blues music, was I born that way? I play guitar, was I born that way? The answer to all of them is no... so if I was homosexual why would I be born that way?
Become, (Bluesman makes a point).

[Death]

Become, (Bluesman makes a point).

LOL, is his point all you read? The majority of people will argue that homosexuality is genetic (even though it can be influenced by traumatic experiences like Sith Lord 13 said) in the same way as being black or having blue or green eyes (or at least with the necessary pigments) is. Are you born with a flat nose? Yes. Are you born male? Yes. Can this be changed through artificial means? Yes. It is exactly the same with homosexuality. Although you may be able to influence someone's sexuality through mental conditioning, they are still born the way they are. I'm not saying this is definitely accurate, but I find it a damn sight more likely than what Bluesman said. And if you read the many posts he made before, you'd understand why.

[Lights]

Become, (Bluesman makes a point).

The factors that Bluesman stated are all environmental factors. How can anyone put sexuality on the same scale as liking a certain type of music? You like a certain type of music because you are introduced to it one way or another and you happen to like it. Sexuality surely does not work the same way because it's not as if you become a homosexual after you meet another homosexual and like them, is it? Sexuality is something far more intricate, and it works through genetics.

[jason_smitty]

I think they're born homosexual

[Marky]

A child is not born knowing wether or not "oh i like boys over girls, or hey maybe girls over boys, or even more animals over humans" no. New borns are persuaded by what society deciedes is morally right and what is morally wrong. so in my point I believe homos are made not born just like presidents are made not born saying in the uterus "I want to be president of the united states when i leave this dump"

[embers]

A child is not born knowing wether or not "oh i like boys over girls, or hey maybe girls over boys, or even more animals over humans" no. New borns are persuaded by what society deciedes is morally right and what is morally wrong. so in my point I believe homos are made not born just like presidents are made not born saying in the uterus "I want to be president of the united states when i leave this dump"

You mistake the concept of being born homosexual with being born knowing you prefer the same sex. Rather, I think that being born gay means you've been born with the genetic factors that make you gay, not with a set of beliefs about your sexuality.

[Genghis Khan]

Become? How true is this?!

[TopGear]

I'm unsure with this topic, Has there been any actually scientific studies connecting someone's sexuality with being born that way. I know that there was a study a few years ago that I read, showing a relationship between the number of open homosexuals and the number of male siblings you have and birth order. Now, I can't argue its right, just remember reading about it. I will find the article and repost it when I find it..

~TopGear

Okay found two that express that birth order and how many male siblings you have will or can effect your sexuality.

Here (http://www.webmd.com/sex-relationships/news/20060626/birth-order-may-affect-homosexuality)

And

Here (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1626369/)


Please don't double post; instead edit your first post. I've merged both of your posts together. -Jon/Donkey

[User Deleted]

I said unsure because i think both are factors

[Death]

A child is not born knowing wether or not "oh i like boys over girls, or hey maybe girls over boys, or even more animals over humans" no.

So what? A child isn't born knowing they have a flat nose either. What you've just said is of no relevance to the point you're trying to make.

New borns are persuaded by what society deciedes is morally right and what is morally wrong.

So you think that one's parents or guardians or those around the baby effectively choose what their sexuality is? How many parents do you think would actually choose this for their children?

Another thing that gets me is that you have suggested that people who are straight are so because they have been brought up believing it to be wrong. So why the hell do you get gays in radical religious families and atheist families whose children have no religious upbringing with no gays at all? Are you even being serious?

so in my point I believe homos are made not born just like presidents are made not born saying in the uterus "I want to be president of the united states when i leave this dump"

My god, you really, really think that somebody can just make someone gay just like that. This is where I stop taking you seriously.

Okay found two that express that birth order and how many male siblings you have will or can effect your sexuality.

Here (http://www.webmd.com/sex-relationships/news/20060626/birth-order-may-affect-homosexuality)

And

Here (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1626369/)

I've heard of this before, but I didn't realise it concerned male siblings specifically though.

[Jayme3oh3]

I'm sure every gay person is born gay. But, how long does it take them to realize it and accept it? ;)

[HaydenM]

I definitely think that it is something that you become, something that you pick up over your lifetime. I'm all for homosexuality (as long as they don't crack onto me).

[Genghis Khan]

I definitely think that it is something that you become, something that you pick up over your lifetime.

No, no it isn't.

No point in arguing anyway since this thread will be locked soon.

[Jess]

I definitely think that it is something that you become, something that you pick up over your lifetime. I'm all for homosexuality (as long as they don't crack onto me).

people don't choose to become homosexual.........they're already that way...

[Skyhawk]

I definitely think that it is something that you become, something that you pick up over your lifetime. I'm all for homosexuality (as long as they don't crack onto me).

Did you choose to be (blind assumption) straight? Or let me rephrase, What factors were in your life to "make you straight"?

Anyway, I voted probably born.

(Still crunching Bing for a bit. :3)

[AppealToReason]

I definitely think that it is something that you become, something that you pick up over your lifetime. I'm all for homosexuality (as long as they don't crack onto me).

Crack onto you? Is that the same thing as trying to get with you?


Anyways, I believe you are born that way.

[RoseyCadaver]

(as long as they don't crack onto me).

Hahaha Don't flatter yourself.

I get fucking tired of everyone thinking that a gay/bi person will flirt with anyone of the same sex they see.We're gay/bi, not sluts.

Back to subject,I'm not sure on what it is.You aren't born liking a certain food,you gain it over time.But at the same time,once you got what you like,it's hard to change it.

I think it varies on many people,I for one never really had an attraction to the same sex,but have had some gender "confusion".But I started to think maybe sex with the same sex is just the same,and I slowly became bisexual.All though over puberty(which I still am going through it)I've went from hetero to homo to hetero again and to bisexual.

This is just my sexuality story.I'm not sure exactly what caused me to be bisexual,it might have been I was born with it,I might have been raised/treated that way.I'm not sure,and I also don't know when we will have exact hard evidence.One thing I am sure is,I most definitely did not choose it.I don't give a shit what anyone says,for me, it wasn't a choose.

[aperson444]

I think that there may be some genetic factors that may increase the predisposition, but for the most part the life experience of the individual is responsible for the behavior type. It's the social aspect that really catalyzes that property, but some genetic factors may influence it.

[Genghis Khan]

I think that there may be some genetic factors that may increase the predisposition, but for the most part the life experience of the individual is responsible for the behavior type. It's the social aspect that really catalyzes that property, but some genetic factors may influence it.

if it were society for the most part why would it convince anyone to become homosexual, especially when the majority of society is homophobic or unsure of whether or not to be nice to them?

[Efflorescence]

I think that they are born this way. I have someone in my family who at about six years old, began spending more time with boys and told his mother that 'mummy, I like boys'. He didn't even know what the words 'gay' or 'straight' meant.
I'm not 100% sure but..let's say I'm about 90% sure

[Aweshum]

Opinions or not, I think the people who say "Become" are ignorant.
I've knew since I was 6, and nothing "enviromental" made me that way.
Gay people are born this way.

[dontcare97]

Many animals are seen partaking in homosexual activities. Isn't that natural?

[TheMatrix]

I'm sure every gay person is born gay. But, how long does it take them to realize it and accept it? ;)

Please don't bump threads older than 2 months. This one is from April.
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