What if Mexico declared war on America in WW1?

[Solace]

What if Mexico agreed to Germany's terms in the Zimmerman Note and attempted to invade America? I think it would have forced America into World War 1 quicker, but of course Mexico would get owned. Then we would liberate Mexico and install a friendly government (more make them a territory/state). What do you think would have happened?

[Kahn]

Please stop posting all of your threads in VT Daily Chronicle.

[Azunite]

OMG seriously, this clearly belongs to the Ramblings forum.
And you cannot really know that, if America hadn't joined WW1, Germany, Austria and Otttoman Empire would clearly win, as the British and the French were losing after Russia withrdrew and they lost their navy at Gallipoli.
If America invaded Mexico, Germany and others would have won the war, and that would mean another fate

[Cloud]

bouncing this bad boy over to ROTW
please read forum descriptions before making threads

[Korashk]

What if Mexico agreed to Germany's terms in the Zimmerman Note and attempted to invade America?
We would have spent a few days utterly destroying them.

[scuba steve]

OMG seriously, this clearly belongs to the Ramblings forum.
And you cannot really know that, if America hadn't joined WW1, Germany, Austria and Otttoman Empire would clearly win, as the British and the French were losing after Russia withrdrew and they lost their navy at Gallipoli.
If America invaded Mexico, Germany and others would have won the war, and that would mean another fate

Weren't the Ottomans just devious little bastards in WWI with secret alliances to Germany? they put up a fight with Russia but where demolished until the Czar was overthrown and repelled Birtish connections with India for a period until they came around and shot the Ottomans up the ass from the Indian side and started the Arab Revolt...... ending in Ottoman surrender

[Azunite]

Weren't the Ottomans just devious little bastards in WWI with secret alliances to Germany? they put up a fight with Russia but where demolished until the Czar was overthrown and repelled Birtish connections with India for a period until they came around and shot the Ottomans up the ass from the Indian side and started the Arab Revolt...... ending in Ottoman surrender

You don't know " Battle of Gallipoli " ?

[scuba steve]

You don't know " Battle of Gallipoli " ?

Meh, it was just as bad for both sides I wouldn't really class it as a win for anyone, slightly more numbers where lost on the Allied side but all it did for the Ottomans was lay the grounds for the true end of the Empire

[Azunite]

Meh, it was just as bad for both sides I wouldn't really class it as a win for anyone, slightly more numbers where lost on the Allied side but all it did for the Ottomans was lay the grounds for the true end of the Empire

So, what you wrote means you don't "really" know the Battle of Gallipoli...

and @Korashk: You are definetly right there :)

[scuba steve]

I know enough to know that it's irrelevant to anything that would ever effect me and that if I didn't put myself out of my way to find out what it was through personal study then i never would. The Gallipoli Camppaign i know is held in high regard by Turkish, why? i've no idea, you may have held of the west for a period of time but it still resulted in the occupation of the country more or less until the revolution of Turkey ending with the current republic.

[Azunite]

I know enough to know that it's irrelevant to anything that would ever effect me and that if I didn't put myself out of my way to find out what it was through personal study then i never would. The Gallipoli Camppaign i know is held in high regard by Turkish, why? i've no idea, you may have held of the west for a period of time but it still resulted in the occupation of the country more or less until the revolution of Turkey ending with the current republic.

America entered the war as a fresh force, as I said if the Americans hadn't intervened we would have won.
And we didn't lose the war, theoratically, after Gallipoli, Ottoman Empire didn't lose any battle ( there weren't any battles that concerned Otttomans after Gallipoli ). Since Germany and Austria were beaten, we were beaten too, since our allies were beaten too.

If Gallipoli would have been captured, supplies could have gone to Russia, allowing Russians to continue the fight. And İstanbul would have fell, therefore destroying Ottoman Empire.

Thanks to the efforts of Kemal Atatürk and German General Liman von Sanders Battle of Gallipoli was won in our favor. Same Kemal Atatürk started the revolution several years later.

And Of course, it is irrevelant to you since Americans didn't participate in Gallipoli. And it is a shame that something that changed the course of war doesn't seem revelant to you.

[scuba steve]

America entered the war as a fresh force, as I said if the Americans hadn't intervened we would have won.
And we didn't lose the war, theoratically, after Gallipoli, Ottoman Empire didn't lose any battle ( there weren't any battles that concerned Otttomans after Gallipoli ). Since Germany and Austria were beaten, we were beaten too, since our allies were beaten too.

The Americans where not involved in the initial fight of Gallipoli it was the British (British union, New zealand and Australia) and France which still rerouted in Egypt to invade Turkey.

If Gallipoli would have been captured, supplies could have gone to Russia, allowing Russians to continue the fight. And İstanbul would have fell, therefore destroying Ottoman Empire.
Istanbul however was still invaded

Thanks to the efforts of Kemal Atatürk and German General Liman von Sanders Battle of Gallipoli was won in our favor. Same Kemal Atatürk started the revolution several years later.

And Of course, it is irrevelant to you since Americans didn't participate in Gallipoli. And it is a shame that something that changed the course of war doesn't seem revelant to you.

The Americans where not involved in the initial fight of Gallipoli it was the British (British union, New zealand and Australia) and France which still rerouted in Egypt to invade Turkey, Russia in this period was incapable of fighting due to head of power issues
I, am not, American!

[CairAndros]

The chances of the Russians staying in the fight would still have been numbered. The Russian peoples were still suffering greatly and it is very likely that the discontent they felt would still have grown to a point where the February revolution would have taken place which would have set the stage for the return of Lenin and then the October Revolution and the end of the Russian Royal Family with the assassination of the Tsar and his family.

Secondly; the Royal Navy was not lost at Gallipoli, the Navy had a two power standard at this point and if the entire Royal Navy was present off Gallipoli and was shelling the Ottoman positions then they wouldn't have lasted any time at all as the combined broadside of the entire fleet would have devastated them.

Back on topic; If Mexico had declared war against America I think it would have prolonged the war as American men and resources would be tied up in Mexico fighting a war there and then making sure that a repeat attempt wasn't made. Therefore this would have delayed or diminished the amount of men and materials that were sent to the front.

In saying that however it is entirely possible that the fewer numbers of men and materials wouldn't have had that great an impact as the Royal Naval blockade of Germany was really taking a toll on what the country could produce in terms of supplies for its soldiers and for the welfare of the people. Thus the fight might have dragged on that bit longer but the blockade would have bit all the more deeply and thus the Allies would still have come out on top.

side note; The Ottoman Empire was the 'Sick Man of Europe' at the start of the war, a complete shell of her former self. Please don't go on about it as though it was the premier Empire on Earth.

[Azunite]

The Americans where not involved in the initial fight of Gallipoli it was the British (British union, New zealand and Australia) and France which still rerouted in Egypt to invade Turkey, Russia in this period was incapable of fighting due to head of power issues
I, am not, American!

I forgot that you were British. Sorry for that.
And well it gets worse ! You think a battle your country had is not revelant to you !

"Sick Man of Europe" Yes, I know that. I don't have any problems with it.

[scuba steve]

I forgot that you were British. Sorry for that.
And well it gets worse ! You think a battle your country had is not revelant to you !

"Sick Man of Europe" Yes, I know that. I don't have any problems with it.

It hapened on foreign soil with army's which did not include those of the Irish or Ulster divisions of the British military ranks or before any noticeable relatives where alive. Why should I care, my family has lived through a period of more or less civil war status that has been happening down the street for the past 30 years and you want me to moarn and remember soldiers that died more than 100 years ago?!

[Azunite]

Who mentioned anything about mourning ?
Well, it is not my problem if you don't know Gallipoli, and so you are Irish ?

(Anyway, wont discuss it further, back to topic please )

[scuba steve]

Who mentioned anything about mourning ?
Well, it is not my problem if you don't know Gallipoli, and so you are Irish ?

(Anyway, wont discuss it further, back to topic please )

How do I not know what it is!? Myself and Craig have both given valuable contritbutions outlining the battle. But moving on...

My national identity is an extremely touch and go area, currently I reside on British territory on the Island of Ireland to give you the briefest of analogy's. Read into the troubles to learn more, or the Irish revolution even.

[Azunite]

How do I not know what it is!? Myself and Craige have both given valuable contritbutions outlining the battle. But moving on...

My national identity is an extremely touch and go area, currently I reside on British territory on the Island of Ireland to give you the briefest of analogy's. Read into the troubles to learn more, or the Irish revolution even.

My curiousity already made me research Irish Rebellion History a week ago, so I know few stuff about it.
You live in Northern Ireland which, according to the Irish ( and me ) belongs rightfully to Irish

[scuba steve]

My curiousity already made me research Irish Rebellion History a week ago, so I know few stuff about it.
You live in Northern Ireland which, according to the Irish ( and me ) belongs rightfully to Irish

It belongs to whomever the Northern Irish wanted to allign with, which at the time was the British Empire because Belfast was the industrial revolution, so much money was coming in that to succed from the Union would see Dublin stripping the Province of it finance in the name of the country. Present day I would still agree with staying in the Union the Republic is faring no better than the U.K financially so we get a pretty sweet deal of public sector business coming through.
We are Irish by birth, the terrorists fail to see that, We are British by nationality, the terrorists fail to see that.