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Solace
October 30th, 2010, 12:34 PM
A US Senator has called for a ban for all video games with violent or sexual themes in them. This ban would prevent teenagers (and children) from purchasing violent (and sexual) video games, even with parental permission. Currently the law has it that minors can buy mature games (17 or older) if the minor is accompanied by an adult and that adult gives the clerk permission to sell the game to the minor. The government wants to make it so no matter what a minor cannot purchase a mature game. There is no scientific evidence linking violence to video games. So who do you think should be in charge of what teens and children play, the parents or the US government? We already have the ESRB, and most stores won't sell mature games to a minor without their parents okaying the transaction or confirming identification. Hell, just the other day at GameStop I saw a man who appeared to be in his 40s get asked for his ID to pre-order a mature game. I too was also asked for my drivers license. I for one am outraged at this, it should be up to the parents, not Uncle Sam.

Long before "Pong" and "Pac-Man" revolutionized the world of children's entertainment, kids found many ways to play interactive games that included violent themes, such as "Cops and Robbers" or "Cowboys and Indians." Beyond being somewhat politically incorrect, these games contain some violent themes that some parents might find objectionable. Children pretend to rob banks and shoot cops dead; toy guns or imaginary weapons are aimed at opponents; losers are supposed to "play dead." But no one has ever seriously suggested that government should regulate these games on the grounds that they might incite youth violence.

Fast-forward to the present and the debate over "violent" video game regulation. Some critics and concerned legislators are claiming that the modern day equivalent of Cops and Robbers must be regulated by government to protect minors from the purported ill effects of video games. The logic here is fairly straightforward: If kids are exposed to violent imagery in video games, they will become aggressive children or violent adults later in life. Although unable to muster credible evidence proving this thesis, legislators across America have been introducing measures that would regulate home video games or coin-operated arcade games on these grounds.

For example, Indianapolis and St. Louis passed laws banning the sale of violent video games to minors. (Both measures were struck down by federal courts as violations of the First Amendment.) And Gov. Gary Locke of Washington recently signed a law that would prohibit the sale of games to minors that depict acts of violence against law enforcement officers (this law is also being challenged in Federal Court and is likely to be struck down as an unconstitutional restriction of protected speech). Now, Congress is getting involved. Rep. Joe Baca (D-Calif.) recently introduced H.R. 669, "The Protect Children from Video Game Sex and Violence Act of 2003." This bill would impose fines on anyone who sells or rents, "any video game that depicts nudity, sexual conduct, or other content harmful to minors."

There are many problems with such regulatory measures. To start, there's little evidence of a link between video games and aggressive youth. While the video game industry was exploding between 1994 and 2000, juvenile (ages 15-17) violent crime arrests dropped by 44 percent and young adult (ages 18-24) violent crime arrests dropped by 24 percent, according to the U.S. Department of Justice. While that does not necessarily rule out any relationship between video games and youth violence, it should make policymakers pause before rushing to legislate. Major academic and government studies have also looked at the question of video games and youth violence and found no significant correlation.

Second, self-regulation is working well. In 1994, the video game industry established the Entertainment Software Rating Board (ESRB), a comprehensive labeling system that rates over 1,000 games per year and has rated more than 8,000 games since inception. The ESRB applies five different rating symbols and over 25 different content labels that refer to violence, sex, language, substance abuse, gambling, humor and other potentially sensitive subject matter. It must be a good system because the self-appointed media violence watchdog Sen. Joseph Lieberman (D-Conn.) called the video game rating system "a model" for other industries to follow. Coin-operated video game operators have also devised a descriptive parental advisory labeling scheme for games played in arcades or restaurants. As a result, a descriptive labeling system is available to parents to monitor the video games their children play.

Third, government regulation could easily cross the line into censorship. If legislators threaten industry with fines or prosecution for mislabeling games, voluntary labeling will likely be abandoned altogether. Parents would lose access to valuable, reliable, and credible information about the age-appropriateness and content of the games they're thinking of buying. Of course, if industry responded to such proposals by abandoning voluntary ratings, lawmakers would quickly allege "market failure" and propose a mandatory rating-and-labeling scheme instead. The courts would not allow legislators to regulate books or magazines in this manner, and there is no reason why video games should be any different.

Finally, the most powerful case against government regulation or censorship of video games is that it's none of government's business. In a free society, parents should decide what their children see, hear, or play; Uncle Sam should not serve as a surrogate parent. After all, "one-size-fits-all" forms of content regulation are unlikely to recognize that different parents have different definitions of what constitutes acceptable fare for their children. The eye of the beholder makes a difference and in a free society it is the eyes (and ears) of parents that should decide what is in the best interests of their children.

http://www.cato.org/pub_display.php?pub_id=3167

Amnesiac
October 30th, 2010, 02:01 PM
http://www.phuckpolitics.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/fuck_the_government.jpg

This senator can take his/her proposal and shove it up his/her ass. I don't want government telling me I can't look at something because they consider it "dangerous", even though there's no basis to back that claim up (actually, the evidence is to the contrary). This is a waste of time. It won't help anyone, it's just another push by the evil social conservative base to intrude on the authority of parents and the lives of responsible teenagers.

Sith Lord 13
October 30th, 2010, 02:08 PM
It won't help anyone, it's just another push by the evil social conservative base to intrude on the authority of parents and the lives of responsible teenagers.

Except for the fact it's being done by a liberal.

Now, Congress is getting involved. Rep. Joe Baca (D-Calif.) recently introduced H.R. 669, "The Protect Children from Video Game Sex and Violence Act of 2003."


Also, this is old, not news, request move to ROTW.

Amnesiac
October 30th, 2010, 02:10 PM
Except for the fact it's being done by a liberal.

This categorizes them as socially conservative. Any person who supports censorship or a "protect the children!" platform is, in my opinion, a social conservative.

Cloud
October 30th, 2010, 02:13 PM
Hmmm
seeing as its a question for a debate based around the article id say this is more ROTW

Perseus
October 30th, 2010, 02:15 PM
Except for the fact it's being done by a liberal.






Man, I don't want to sound like a douche, but I've been waiting for the day you shut down Justin. :P

Anyway, I find this outrageous because I, myself, am a gamer. I do not think minors shouldn't not be able to buy M rated games with a parent or guardian with them. They should be able to. The ESRB does a fine job, I think. If children can't have M game bought for them, then I want the whole entertainment industry like that, i.e. R, etc.

Clawhammer
October 30th, 2010, 02:23 PM
In my honest opinion, people can screw their lives up if they like, but I don't want to suffer the consequences of their stupidity by having to put up with them more than I have to. As long as it doesn't bother other people, let them do what they will.

Sith Lord 13
October 30th, 2010, 02:23 PM
Single biggest problem: this plan accomplishes nothing. All it means is the parent has to buy it and hand it to the kid rather than let the kid pay for it himself with the parent there.

Jess
October 30th, 2010, 02:25 PM
just because it has violence in them...doesn't mean the person playing it will become violent.

personally I don't play those kind of games. I know people who do, and they are in no way violent.

Cloud
October 30th, 2010, 02:27 PM
The logic of that is like saying that if people play sports games theyll become athletes
but there are too many lazy fat people playing fifa 11 for that to be true

Azunite
October 30th, 2010, 02:51 PM
Only games who dont have violence and sex in them are sims, even racing games have violence now.

Single biggest problem: this plan accomplishes nothing. All it means is the parent has to buy it and hand it to the kid rather than let the kid pay for it himself with the parent there.

On movies, there are signs ilke 18+ or something but I can easily go and buy them, no problem.
This " X(age) +" thing only works for cigarette selling in shops i think

TopGear
October 30th, 2010, 04:31 PM
Once again, Another US Senator trying to make our government as big as it possibly can before it's called a dictatorship. Honestly, the US senator who came out with this proposal should stop worrying about pointless shit like this and worry about our $13,666,979,609,790 we have in debt. Now thats an issue, Not what we sit at home and do. Also Great idea lets just kill more opportunity's for people to spend money! Great idea, So now we put A big government idea in place and we stop people from spending money, Thats just great!!! that really going to get us out of this sad state we are in now.

The Dark Lord
October 30th, 2010, 04:41 PM
Once again, Another US Senator trying to make our government as big as it possibly can before it's called a dictatorship.

Don't be so stupid, a rule about video game regulation would never be described as a dictatorship.

TopGear
October 30th, 2010, 05:14 PM
No, but when you have 1,000 other "rules" that control your life and how you do things and what you watch and what you play then it turns into dictatorship. Things like that don't happen over night, just one at a time. Sadly its working.

The Dark Lord
October 30th, 2010, 06:13 PM
No, but when you have 1,000 other "rules" that control your life and how you do things and what you watch and what you play then it turns into dictatorship. Things like that don't happen over night, just one at a time. Sadly its working.

i'm afraid your committing the fallacy of appeal to consequences. You can't say one rule would lead to another and another until we are back to Nazi Germany, that's just stupid

ShatteredWings
October 30th, 2010, 06:46 PM
I really don't like government regulation on EVERYfuckingTHING.

Video games, TV, Movies, all that is parental discrssion, and if we started sencoring this shit it would start crossing free speech/expression.

[note; network TV only has to sensor the word 'fuck' when used in reference towards sex(or maybe it was "when used as explicitave, I forget now...). They choose to sensor more]

Amnesiac
October 30th, 2010, 09:39 PM
Man, I don't want to sound like a douche, but I've been waiting for the day you shut down Justin. :P

Not every Democrat is a liberal. :rolleyes:

Perseus
October 30th, 2010, 09:41 PM
Not every Democrat is a liberal. :rolleyes:

But I mean, you're so far left it's funny to see you get shut down like that. :P

Amnesiac
October 30th, 2010, 09:42 PM
But I mean, you're so far left it's funny to see you get shut down like that. :P

But I didn't get shut down. If I were shut down, I wouldn't have anything else to say.

Perseus
October 30th, 2010, 09:43 PM
But I didn't get shut down. If I were shut down, I wouldn't have anything else to say.

You were shut down. You were like, "herp de derp conservatives!" and then Alex was like, "Herp de derp he's a lib!" You don't have to be socially conservative to be censor crazy. He's an old guy, I bet.

Amnesiac
October 30th, 2010, 09:46 PM
You were shut down. You were like, "herp de derp conservatives!" and then Alex was like, "Herp de derp he's a lib!" You don't have to be socially conservative to be censor crazy. He's an old guy, I bet.

I said social conservatives. Democrats are all economically liberal. That doesn't mean they're all socially liberal.

There are plenty of people who are members of liberal parties that are labeled social conservatives. Example: former Prime Minister of Australia Kevin Rudd.

Perseus
October 30th, 2010, 09:48 PM
I said social conservatives. Democrats are all economically liberal. That doesn't mean they're all socially liberal.

There are plenty of people who are members of liberal parties that are labeled social conservatives. Example: former Prime Minister of Australia Kevin Rudd.

But still, you don't have to be socially conservative to be censor crazy.

Sith Lord 13
October 30th, 2010, 09:59 PM
But still, you don't have to be socially conservative to be censor crazy.

Case in point: “Fairness Doctrine”

Yet again proving liberals are for your rights. So long as you agree with them that is.

Amnesiac
October 30th, 2010, 10:06 PM
Case in point: “Fairness Doctrine”

Yet again proving liberals are for your rights. So long as you agree with them that is.

You mean "Democrats". I wouldn't lump "liberals" into one big group. There are some of us lefties that aren't absurdly hypocritical and stupid.

But still, you don't have to be socially conservative to be censor crazy.

Social conservatives in many countries generally: ... promote public morality and traditional family values ... support the prohibition of drugs, prostitution, premarital sex, non-marital sex and euthanasia ... and support the censorship of pornography and what they consider to be obscenity or indecency.

Make from that what you will.

Perseus
October 30th, 2010, 10:09 PM
You mean "Democrats". I wouldn't lump "liberals" into one big group. There are some of us lefties that aren't absurdly hypocritical and stupid.





Make from that what you will.
I still don't think the guy is socially conservative, but y'know.

Amnesiac
October 30th, 2010, 10:15 PM
I still don't think the guy is socially conservative, but y'know.

Actually, Joe Baca, the representative we're talking about, is a member of the Blue Dog Democrats (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blue_Dog_Coalition). I would like to refer to this quote from Wiki:

The Blue Dog Coalition is often involved in finding a compromise between liberal and conservative positions. The Blue Dogs are viewed by some as a continuation of the socially conservative wing of the Democratic party prominent during the presidency of Harry S. Truman.

I believe my so-called "shut-down" is undone.

Perseus
October 30th, 2010, 10:20 PM
Actually, Joe Baca, the representative we're talking about, is a member of the Blue Dog Democrats (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blue_Dog_Coalition). I would like to refer to this quote from Wiki:



I believe my so-called "shut-down" is undone.

Goddamn it. :P

TopGear
October 31st, 2010, 10:51 PM
How can you say that one rule doesn't lead to another, Now thats stupid to say. You don't know the future.


I really don't like government regulation on EVERYfuckingTHING.

Video games, TV, Movies, all that is parental discrssion, and if we started sencoring this shit it would start crossing free speech/expression.

[note; network TV only has to sensor the word 'fuck' when used in reference towards sex(or maybe it was "when used as explicitave, I forget now...). They choose to sensor more]

This is sadly the truth, and I totally agree with ya. They have us on a leash and that leash is getting shorter and shorter every damn year and it just pisses me off. What pisses me off more is that there are people who are too ignorant to realize this.

The Dark Lord
November 1st, 2010, 01:43 PM
How can you say that one rule doesn't lead to another, Now thats stupid to say. You don't know the future.

If you think a law relating to video game regulation will lead to a dictatorship, then you must have struggled to type in english. You are committing the fallacy of slippery slope.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slippery_slope#Examples

TopGear
November 1st, 2010, 05:06 PM
No, Im not singling out just Videos games. Its with everything else in our government.

The Dark Lord
November 1st, 2010, 05:44 PM
No, Im not singling out just Videos games. Its with everything else in our government.

What major issues do you have with the size of gov't?

TopGear
November 1st, 2010, 07:31 PM
Yes, I do have issues with the size of our government. First issue is our new found health care bill that has been put into effect.

Second, All the useless spending! Holy Shit, Is there a record they are tryin to break with all the spending?

Third, The idea idea of putting people back to work, but doing so in temporary jobs. How does that help? So when all those people who do get one of those temporary jobs and those jobs are done, where do they go? No where great! now they are right where they were before hand. To me that is useless and not needed.

I would list more but computer is about to die. I will continue my list once i get my power cord.

Perseus
November 2nd, 2010, 02:01 PM
http://gameinformer.com/b/news/archive/2010/11/02/supreme-court-case-transcript.aspx