Fat Tax

[Zero Beat]

What are your views on putting a tax on fatty foods?

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[Whisper]

I completely support it as long as there are tax breaks on healthy choices.

[The Dark Lord]

I support it but there would have to be noticable incentives to buy healthy foods

[Zephyr]

II agree with taxing fatty foods. They're the most convenient to buy because they tend to be cheaper and you don't have to prepare them usually. I think if you save grocery receipts, it could possibly be a way to give you a tax break for healthy decisions.

[Azunite]

As long as they dont tax fat people ( that would be against human rights ) it may be okay.
I have a feeling that it shouldn't be okay but, since Matty is here, I am trying to find some good reasons :D (hey no offence)

[CairAndros]

A tax on people who have gotten to clinically and morbidly obese levels through their own fault would be perfectly acceptable as far as I am concerned. It is their fault they have reached that size and we, the rest of the tax paying public, have then to foot the bill for whatever treatment they need; not to mention the specialised equipment needed to deal with people of their weight. Having such a tax would be an incentive for people not to get to that state in the first place.

[Azunite]

Do you think people are happy with their fatness?

[Sith Lord 13]

A tax on people who have gotten to clinically and morbidly obese levels through their own fault would be perfectly acceptable as far as I am concerned. It is their fault they have reached that size and we, the rest of the tax paying public, have then to foot the bill for whatever treatment they need; not to mention the specialised equipment needed to deal with people of their weight. Having such a tax would be an incentive for people not to get to that state in the first place.

Except that people could consume the same things, exercise the same amount, and end up different weights. I have friends who easily eats twice as much as I do and is skinny as a twig while I have to fight to loose weight.

[Jess]

I think there should be a tax. but I don't know, people will still buy them, won't they?

[The Dark Lord]

Do you think people are happy with their fatness?

I don't think those with medical conditions should be punished, but for most being fat is a lifestyle choice that they deserve. They know that they shouldn't be sitting on their arses eating fast food in front of the TV every night, but they still do, meaning I've very little sympathy for anyone with a weight problem

[Azunite]

I don't think those with medical conditions should be punished, but for most being fat is a lifestyle choice that they deserve. They know that they shouldn't be sitting on their arses eating fast food in front of the TV every night, but they still do, meaning I've very little sympathy for anyone with a weight problem

Yepp

[TopGear]

Personally I think its another way for our government to tell us how to live our life. BIG GOVERNMENT! EFF OFF. If I want to buy that candy bar and the coke and eat it, I shouldn't be taxed because there are people out there that don't give a shit about there health. I run, swim and play soccer for my high school. Do you really think that coke and candy bar is going to effect me? No, I would run it off and if that didn't do it the swimming would.


So No, Again another way for our government to tell me what and what not to eat.

[The Dark Lord]

Personally I think its another way for our government to tell us how to live our life. BIG GOVERNMENT! EFF OFF. If I want to buy that candy bar and the coke and eat it, I shouldn't be taxed because there are people out there that don't give a shit about there health. I run, swim and play soccer for my high school. Do you really think that coke and candy bar is going to effect me? No, I would run it off and if that didn't do it the swimming would.


So No, Again another way for our government to tell me what and what not to eat.

If there is no tax, then the government has to pay for the health care to treat the inevitable consequences of obesity, if there is a tax then the gov't gets accused of being interferring. I'm a libertarian but I'd rather money was spent on cutting the deficit than treating tubby tom who can't resist a nice deep fried pizza for his dinner

[Peace God]

Penn & Teller on the soda tax...
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Personally im indifferent, because it doesnt affect me that much(i dont eat that much unhealthy food)... i would prefer a tax break on healthy foods.
Another thing worth noting is that unhealthy foods are normally the cheaper alternative so why tax the people that are trying to save money?

[TopGear]

Well that Obamacare should of never been passed in the first case. Government shouldn't pay for healthcare. This is a sad country we live in now, We are getting to the point were everything people get it comes from hand outs, If people would just get off there lazy asses work for there money and get health care (If they want it) and be fine, but there is the lazy ass people who don't and ruin what has been working since the start of this country. I hope to god that every state in the Union takes this health care bill to court and wins because its going to help 20% of the population! What about the other 80% that has helped themselves into what they have now. Screw the Obamacare, and there Fat tax. Work on something that needs to "Change" which is the 13 trillion dollar deficit that just grows every damn time something like the obamacare is passed.

Thank you soooo much flarnfilth for putting that video up here!! THATS WHAT IM TALKING ABOUT!!!

I love Penn & Teller.

[Fact]

I'm all for it because of most of the pro's said above.

My only criticism would be you'd end up with a lot of obese and in debt people who are then doubly ruining the system...

[Korashk]

Absolutely not. The government doesn't need to institute more taxes, and taxing certain lifestyles is discriminatory.

[Continuum]

Do you think people are happy with their fatness?

Some are. It was a status symbol during the renaissance, but things are running differently now.

They should, and also to balance the scales, add incentives for healthy foodstuff. That way, people will be motivated to lighten up.

[welcome_to_chaos]

if people want to put junk food into their bodies and clog their arteries thats there problem. but i think that should be there descision not the governments

[TopGear]

^^^ Exactly.

[The Dark Lord]

I'd rather pay more money for fatty foods than spend money treating some fat waster who can't be trusted to look after themselves, if that means the gov't has to intervene, then so be it

[TopGear]

why not cut both? Cut the spending towards people who put them self in that kind of state and not tax people for foods that are "fatty" Why Should a small number of people effect the entire Nation? Why should I get punished so to speak because there is a over weight fat ass who could care a less about himself and continue to eat food that he knows that are bad for them and I have to pay a tax to help him. No Fuck that guy, I run, swim and play soccer and go to the gym so I can look like I do. So that candy bar and coke doesn't affect me and shouldn't put effect on my wallet as well.

And for all those that are going to say "affect on your wallet, Are you poor?"

Answer: No, But those things add up and they are going to use it on things that aren't so what you would think "Fatty" so not just soft drinks and candy bars are going to be taxed, but your chips, cookies, every god damn thing you can think off that doesn't grow on this god green earth is going to be consider "fatty" and thats just another way the government can steal my money.

[The Dark Lord]

why not cut both? Cut the spending towards people who put them self in that kind of state and not tax people for foods that are "fatty" .

Because that would effectively be killing people because they eat fatty foods. A fat tax makes more sense than cut gov't spending

Why Should a small number of people effect the entire Nation? .

the small number you refer to equates to 64% of Americans.

Why should I get punished so to speak because there is a over weight fat ass who could care a less about himself and continue to eat food that he knows that are bad for them and I have to pay a tax to help him.

That fat ass pays taxes for education, what does he get out of you getting a free education?


And for all those that are going to say "affect on your wallet, Are you poor?"

Answer: No, But those things add up and they are going to use it on things that aren't so what you would think "Fatty" so not just soft drinks and candy bars are going to be taxed, but your chips, cookies, every god damn thing you can think off that doesn't grow on this god green earth is going to be consider "fatty" and thats just another way the government can steal my money.

Yes, I'm sure the government's intention for a fatty tax would be to primarily steal your money

[Azunite]

Because that would effectively be killing people because they eat fatty foods. A fat tax makes more sense than cut gov't spending



the small number you refer to equates to 64% of Americans.


That fat ass pays taxes for education, what does he get out of you getting a free education?




Yes, I'm sure the government's intention for a fatty tax would be to primarily steal your money

Yep, that's right.
When I take a walk in the streets of America ( when I went to America ), I felt very thin when I looked around ( I kinda look fat from outside lol )

[Korashk]

Because that would effectively be killing people because they eat fatty foods. A fat tax makes more sense than cut gov't spending
It shouldn't be the government's job to protect people from themselves.

That fat ass pays taxes for education, what does he get out of you getting a free education?
He gets nothing, which is why it doesn't make sense that his taxes pay for education.

Yes, I'm sure the government's intention for a fatty tax would be to primarily steal your money
Intentions mean nothing. The Nazis intended to make the world a better place by eradicating the Jews.

[The Dark Lord]

It shouldn't be the government's job to protect people from themselves.

Its the government's job to protect people, from who/what is irrelevant

He gets nothing, which is why it doesn't make sense that his taxes pay for education..

That's part of paying taxes, you get the use of some services, not all of them. If your implying that people shouldn't pay taxes if they don't get anything from them, then you are incredible (not in a good way)

Intentions mean nothing. The Nazis intended to make the world a better place by eradicating the Jews.

How is the holocaust and a proposed tax on fatty foods comparable?

[Korashk]

Its the government's job to protect people, from who/what is irrelevant
It's very relevant. Why should the government be able to dictate what you and I do with our bodies? That's what sin taxes do.


That's part of paying taxes, you get the use of some services, not all of them. If your implying that people shouldn't pay taxes if they don't get anything from them, then you are incredible (not in a good way)
From my POV taxes are a necessary evil that should be used to pay for the military, police, and courts. Everyone uses these things. All other services can and would be provided in a free market.


How is the holocaust and a proposed tax on fatty foods comparable?
You brought up intentions. I showed you that intentions are meaningless. It's called debating.

[TopGear]

It shouldn't be the government's job to protect people from themselves.

I agree with this here. People are putting this on them self, so why should i get punished for it?

Its the government's job to protect people, from who/what is irrelevant.

Why, why should the government tell me what to eat, without getting taxed for it?



That's part of paying taxes, you get the use of some services, not all of them. If your implying that people shouldn't pay taxes if they don't get anything from them, then you are incredible (not in a good way)

I agree with statement, The Country we know it would be nothing without taxes, But I think there taxes that we could go without. But the basic taxes that have been listed above have been in our government for ages and don't need to go, Thats not including the Healthcare bill.



How is the holocaust and a proposed tax on fatty foods comparable?

Yeah I don't get that.

[Lonely_Shadow]

I believe there should be a tax on fatty food thus hopefully preventing the spread of obesity. yet if they person does not care for the price and buys loads of this crap anyways it could after a very long period of time affect their financial health along with their physical health.

[TopGear]

For the love of god, There is no such thing as "Spread of obesity." That is nonsense to think this is some disease that you can catch my someone coughing on you.

If you just eat a normal amount of food with a healthy balance of foods needed for a healthy lifestyle and run or work out or just go on a walk every evening then you will be in healthy shape to eat something without worrying about it killing you.

It is sad that we even gotten to this point.

[Peace God]

For the love of god, There is no such thing as "Spread of obesity." That is nonsense to think this is some disease that you can catch my someone coughing on you.

that's not what people mean when they say "spread of obesity"

[nick]

Some people can only afford to buy the cheaper cuts of meat which are more fatty. If they are cooked well they can make nutricious and delicious meals. It would be wrong to tax these meats so that the less well off couldnt afford them any more.

Why single out fat people. We should tax everyone that takes part in contact sports because they are likely to end up in casualty, etc, etc.. People make lifestyle choices, some are more dangerous or less healthy than others, but you cant control everything through the tax system.

[TopGear]

Some people can only afford to buy the cheaper cuts of meat which are more fatty. If they are cooked well they can make nutricious and delicious meals. It would be wrong to tax these meats so that the less well off couldnt afford them any more.

Why single out fat people. We should tax everyone that takes part in contact sports because they are likely to end up in casualty, etc, etc.. People make lifestyle choices, some are more dangerous or less healthy than others, but you cant control everything through the tax system.

Golden why to look at it!

[The Dark Lord]

It's very relevant. Why should the government be able to dictate what you and I do with our bodies? That's what sin taxes do


Putting a tax on fatty foods doesn't mean the government is dictating what you put in your body, its just asserting the common view that fatty foods are unhealthy and should be avoided

From my POV taxes are a necessary evil that should be used to pay for the military, police, and courts. Everyone uses these things. All other services can and would be provided in a free market.

No, if you don't commit crimes then you don't use the courts, If you turned the government into a coporation, then who would make laws? It would be a select group of chairmen of the biggest companies only looking after their own interests

You brought up intentions. I showed you that intentions are meaningless. It's called debating.

Don't try patronising me, you tried to compare the holocaust to paying an extra 10p on a pizza.

[Korashk]

Putting a tax on fatty foods doesn't mean the government is dictating what you put in your body, its just asserting the common view that fatty foods are unhealthy and should be avoided
It absolutely would be the government trying to dictate what we put in our bodies. They don't like your personal lifestyle choice so they are actively making it more burdening for you to live the way you want to live even though your lifestyle does harm to nobody but yourself. Why should the government tell us that we have to avoid fatty foods?

No, if you don't commit crimes then you don't use the courts
Uh ya, you kind of do. I challenge you to find one older person in America that has never had to use the court system. Hell, the court system is probably involved when you're born to register your social security number (I could be wrong on this point). Ever plan on getting married? Ever gotten a speeding ticket? Maybe you want to start your own business. Maybe you will be called in as a witness for a court case. Maybe you are suing someone for damages. The courts are used for way more than criminal proceedings.

If you turned the government into a [corporation], then who would make laws? It would be a select group of chairmen of the biggest companies only looking after their own interests
Umm, nobody is suggesting replacing the government with the top CEOs of large companies. My ideal government would still be a constitutional republic like America is now, just with a different constitution.

Don't try patronising me, you tried to compare the holocaust to paying an extra 10p on a pizza.
I showed you, using an effective example, that one's intentions when performing an action have no bearing on how those actions are perceived by others.