Should tipping be necessary? Or should employers just pay minimum wage?

[ShyGuyInChicago]

Should tipping be necessary?
Or should employers just pay minimum wage?

[Azunite]

Tipping is what you give the waiter some money for his efforts. He doesn't have to move fast or smile to you but if he / she does it you just give tip.

And when we went to america my dad said that you have to give at least %10 tip from the bill.

[Fact]

Tipping is what you give the waiter some money for his efforts. He doesn't have to move fast or smile to you but if he / she does it you just give tip.

And when we went to america my dad said that you have to give at least %10 tip from the bill.

This is true, a 10% tip is about right, although some people just basically give whatever change they have going spare.
In some countries it's considered rude to tip people (Iceland, I know of) I don't know why though :P

[Azunite]

Rude to give money ? (ROFL) :D

We give around 10-20 Lira here ( which is around 7.50$- 150$ )

[Fact]

Rude to give money ? (ROFL) :D)

Yeah, it seems a little bit strange to me. I'm sure there's a reason behind it... I'll ask my source :]

[Fact]

My source said, when she was waitressing she didn't find it rude.
However, it's just not something they generally do.
I suggested maybe it's more of an older generation thing?
She said maybe/probably.

[Azunite]

Old generation, always mixes things up :D
We have a Turkish proverb : Dont bring a new law to an old village, I think that's what they think, but still It makes no sense...

[CairAndros]

when we were in Florida there we usually tipped around $5 per meal there was 5 of us in the group - we read somewhere that $1 per person is what should be tipped. However, when we were given exceptional service or the waitress was really nice to us etc we usually tipped more as we felt more welcomed to the establishment - if that makes any sense.

I think tipping is really a way of saying "well done" - bankers get bonuses so why shouldn't waiters/waitresses get tips?

[Azunite]

Come o people, why don't tip? Waiters already get crap amount of money you could just add 5 dollars to their budget and they can be more comfortable

[Fact]

I think tipping is really a way of saying "well done" - bankers get bonuses so why shouldn't waiters/waitresses get tips?

Agree :] especially if they're particularly pleasant/helpful.

[Clawhammer]

About the thing in Iceland, I'd never heard of that before, but I understand it. It'd be like accepting charity or admitting you're poor and need help.

[Fact]

I guess that could be the reason.
It'd make sense too, because before all the recession and bankruptcy, Iceland was an extremely prosperous country - I believe it came within the top 10 in the world (per capita, or measures similar).

[ShatteredWings]

In countries where it's rude to tip, it's because they actually pay their employees minimum wage, so its considered an offense to imply they can't afford to keep their lives going.

Anywho, i think waitors should get fucking minimum wage, but tipping should be allowed - sometimes ya get really great service.

[Whisper]

"should get minimum wage" first of all its illegal to pay any less....hence the term minimum.
In allot of cases honestly I think minimum wage is nowhere near enough.
When you look at British Columbia for example we have the lowest minimum wage in canada (8$/hr) with the highest living costs.....
You can't live off minimum wage here...especially on central/southern island, or the lower mainland.
In allot of cases tips are actually a vital part of your income here

[ShatteredWings]

"should get minimum wage" first of all its illegal to pay any less....hence the term minimum.

Waitress wage in my state is $2.13, minimum is $7.25

[Ender]

Waitress wage in my state is $2.13, minimum is $7.25

This. My dads been in the restaurant biz for several years. If he didnt make tips, we would no longer have a house, car, etc. He makes no where near enough for the job he does... People usually tip pretty nicely though. Except the other day he had a couple kids eat full meals and tip him a quarter, and after tip share he had like $0.15 from that table.

Tipping is important to me.

[Whisper]

Waitress wage in my state is $2.13, minimum is $7.25

wow
thats slavery
You can't do that here.

fuck florida.

[Sith Lord 13]

Tipping is what you give the waiter some money for his efforts. He doesn't have to move fast or smile to you but if he / she does it you just give tip.

And when we went to america my dad said that you have to give at least %10 tip from the bill.

This is true, a 10% tip is about right, although some people just basically give whatever change they have going spare.
In some countries it's considered rude to tip people (Iceland, I know of) I don't know why though :P

when we were in Florida there we usually tipped around $5 per meal there was 5 of us in the group - we read somewhere that $1 per person is what should be tipped. However, when we were given exceptional service or the waitress was really nice to us etc we usually tipped more as we felt more welcomed to the establishment - if that makes any sense.

I think tipping is really a way of saying "well done" - bankers get bonuses so why shouldn't waiters/waitresses get tips?

Standard tip is 15% in the US. 10% is an insult, it means the service sucked. Anything less than 10% should be for when the waiter is doing an intentionally crappy job.

[The Dark Lord]

Waitress wage in my state is $2.13, minimum is $7.25

minimium wage is Britain is £5.75, but the joseph rowntree foundation recommends a mimimum of over £7, showing how ineffective the minimum wage is, so you should tip staff, they live of their tips

[Sith Lord 13]

wow
thats slavery
You can't do that here.

fuck florida.

The assumption is that tips make up the difference and that you'll end up making at least minimum wage after tips. Not the best system, but not entirely nonsensical.

[Amnesiac]

Employers should pay minimum wage. One shouldn't base their income off of the gratitude of others.

[BOBBY HILL]

Out of all the things we could debate about it we debate about someone giving a employee a tip?

[ShatteredWings]

wow
thats slavery
You can't do that here.

fuck florida.
...try a LOT further north :P
I live in pennsylvania.


Out of all the things we could debate about it we debate about someone giving a employee a tip?
Well, basically we're debating whether or not income should be determined on peoples generosity rather than laws.

[artex]

10% OMG you people are CHEAP!!! here its atleast 15 and if they do well we usually do 20%.. also IF a business that is usually into tipping had to pay more in wages for their service to their employees there prices would be higher for sure... it is a service they are offering tho and if they work hard it should pay off to for them!!

[Sith Lord 13]

Out of all the things we could debate about it we debate about someone giving a employee a tip?

Honestly, I find it one of the more practical topics we discuss. It has an immediate and direct impact on our daily lives.

[ShatteredWings]

also IF a business that is usually into tipping had to pay more in wages for their service to their employees there prices would be higher for sure.

Not much higher than if everyone tipped 10-15%

[Mr. Awesome]

in my job bills can be anywhere from 70-450 euro for parties, i dont look for a tip at all, its nice to get one, it makes me feel appriciated for the work i do, there is no 10% 15% expected tip in ireland, im happy if im handed a fiver, it makes a big difference, i have a loan to pay off for college, travel to and from work, the odd five or ten euro and the very odd 20makes a huge difference, i can buy a new game or grab a pizza or something

but most of all it makes me want to work hard, so it goes around, good service=tip=equals good service = tip, although id always put the same effort in regardless

[thatgolferboi]

Speaking from experience, working for tips sucks. I work for a local fastfood chain. My store pays me $4 per hour in wages and I'm supposed to make tips. My tips vary alot. One day I'll make $10 others $30. I'm required by my company to make 6% of the total amount of orders I take out. Today I took out $230 worth of orders, and I needed to make $15.91 in tips. I made $20.25 in tips.

[goat]

"should get minimum wage" first of all its illegal to pay any less....hence the term minimum.
In allot of cases honestly I think minimum wage is nowhere near enough.
When you look at British Columbia for example we have the lowest minimum wage in canada (8$/hr) with the highest living costs.....
You can't live off minimum wage here...especially on central/southern island, or the lower mainland.
In allot of cases tips are actually a vital part of your income here

At some high end restaurant you can make a very good living off of tips. I had a co-worker who use to own a high end restaurant in Branson MO (went broke though) He had no waiters or waitresses as employees. They had contracts to allow them to work tables. The only money they made was their tips and they actually could sell their position to someone else. What's minimum wage compared to 15-20% of a $300+ tab! The minimum wage in the US for tipped employees is only $2.13 for tipped employees and $725 for others, but it's a good system because a good server can make a really good living even at a family restaurant. However, it's a HARD job! I did it for 1 day while in bible college and was glad the guy i spilled a drink on was a Christian at a at a Christian conference center! He understood I was a student! I've been told in France it is not customary to tip and wages reflect it. They LOVE us yanks who don't know any better.:yes:

[ShaneK]

It's not tipping its called gratuity. Its showing your gratitude for good service or a good meal. It's just good manners

[Aves]

Please don't bump old threads.

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