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ShyGuyInChicago
October 26th, 2010, 03:28 PM
What do you think? This was prompted by this article. What do you think? Plus, should colleges have access to juvenile criminal records?

http://www.aolnews.com/opinion/article/opinion-college-applications-should-include-criminal-background-checks/19550016

Opinion: A Criminal Oversight in College Background Checks

(July 13) -- Posting a scandalous photo on Facebook could get you rejected from the college of your choice. But there's a good chance a rape conviction won't.

Only 4 percent of colleges conduct criminal background checks on students, and 36 percent of schools don't even require self-disclosure of crimes, according to a new survey by the American Association of Collegiate Registrars and Admissions Officers. In contrast, 26 percent of admissions offices use search engines to research applicants, and 21 percent use social networking sites, a 2007 study found.

Admissions officers claim they "would consider anything that would cause us to doubt a student's character," as one Ivy League admissions dean recently told The Wall Street Journal. But these surveys suggest that colleges care more about what an applicant has posted online than whether he or she has committed a crime.

If that's true, schools need to re-evaluate their priorities for screening students. Someone who's paying $100,000-plus for an education deserves to be in an environment that takes at least the same safety precautions as the average workplace (where 92 percent of employers conduct criminal checks on job applicants).

As it stands today, students with criminal records are sitting in classrooms nationwide.

A 2009 study by MyBackgroundCheck.com, a leading supplier of criminal background checks for college students, found that approximately one out of every 29 students had a previous criminal record, not including juvenile offenses. Of those, about 10 percent had sexual abuse or assault convictions. Surely, parents want to know if a convicted rapist is living in their daughter's dorm.

And too many colleges are reactive, not proactive. The University of North Carolina didn't require its 16 campuses to conduct criminal checks on students until after the murder of a female student by a classmate with a long record of violence against women. The University of Virginia announced in May that it will perform background checks on all of its students following a similar tragedy. Harvard University rescinded an offer of admission after receiving an anonymous tip that the applicant killed her mother and omitted it from her application.

And most schools that do consider an applicant's criminal history often leave decisions to the whim of an admissions representative. In fact, less than half of the colleges that do collect and use criminal justice information have written policies in place, and only 40 percent train staff on how to interpret such information, the admissions officers survey found.

True, conducting criminal checks on students isn't without controversy. Records for crimes committed before age 18 are sealed in several states. Many criminals are never caught. Some law-abiding applicants will develop into criminals later. Studies also show that chronic racial disparities exist in our justice system.

Despite these concerns, colleges should at a minimum discuss this issue with students and develop a policy on whether criminal checks should be required and how information gathered should be used.

"Let's identify where we have questions, where there may be problems or slippery slopes, but also where we want to develop answers or policies," said Jonathan Kassa, executive director of Security On Campus, a nonprofit campus security organization. "But not having that discussion at all is a disservice to students' safety."

Among the steps that need to be taken:
Schools should to do more than just ask questions about a prospective student's criminal history on applications. Following up with a criminal check is essential. Otherwise, students who are honest about their criminal past may get punished, but those who are not may get rewarded for lying about it.
Students should undergo annual checks while enrolled, because colleges often aren't told about crimes their students commit.
Administrators who make enrollment decisions must be trained to distinguish between students whose behaviors present a current threat and students who have merely done something stupid in their teenage lives they now regret.
Students, faculty and administration should all be involved in creating a policy.
It shouldn't take a campus tragedy for every college to get serious about protecting students from potentially dangerous criminals.

Zephyr
October 26th, 2010, 03:51 PM
No, colleges shouldn't have access to any records besides your education record. It's wrong to deny somebody a higher education just because they have something on their criminal record. Good people can do bad things, everybody has done something illegal at some point in their life. Frankly, if they denied you college entrance over a criminal record, it would reflect negatively on the college for being judgmental. College is a clean slate to start on for a lot of people, better themselves and put the past behind them.

ShyGuyInChicago
October 26th, 2010, 03:52 PM
No, colleges shouldn't have access to any records besides your education record. It's wrong to deny somebody a higher education just because they have something on their criminal record. Good people can do bad things, everybody has done something illegal at some point in their life. Frankly, if they denied you college entrance over a criminal record, it would reflect negatively on the college for being judgmental. College is a clean slate to start on for a lot of people, better themselves and put the past behind them.

What if they have a record of sex offenses?

Zephyr
October 26th, 2010, 04:14 PM
It doesn't matter what the crime is. Just because they have a conviction doesn't mean that they're going to be a repeat offender. You can't label somebody for life based off of their record.

TopGear
October 26th, 2010, 04:22 PM
I disagree... I think certain things like sex offenders and murders should be labeled. You think its completely ok for a convicted sex offender to walk around a college campus.

How would you feel if your son/daughter was raped by a convicted sex offender that was allowed on to school grounds and the school knew about his record. I would be in outrage.

ShyGuyInChicago
October 26th, 2010, 04:46 PM
It doesn't matter what the crime is. Just because they have a conviction doesn't mean that they're going to be a repeat offender. You can't label somebody for life based off of their record.

So would it be unreasonable for a bank to not hire someone who once committed fraud or would be unreasonable to refuse to hire someone to work at a school if they were convicted of child molestation or would it be unfair to hire someone for a job as a cashier because they served time for stealing from their former employer? I believe that the best way to predict future behavior is past behavior

Zephyr
October 26th, 2010, 04:58 PM
You're assuming that the worst is going to happen, and there's an extremely small chance that the worst will happen. Most offenders are not repeat offenders. I'm a college student, and the idea of sex offenders being able to receive a higher education doesn't bother me. Sex offenses are not okay, no. But why keep somebody who may otherwise be a good person down? Assuming once an offender, always an offender is a child's way of thinking. The adult world doesn't work like that.

So would it be unreasonable for a bank to not hire someone who once committed fraud or would be unreasonable to refuse to hire someone to work at a school if they were convicted of child molestation or would it be unfair to hire someone for a job as a cashier because they served time for stealing from their former employer? I believe that the best way to predict future behavior is past behavior



My boss hired a felon, he has theft and drug charges that are outrageous. He's done time in jail even. So obviously he's stealing from us all, right? Wrong. He's turned his life around.

You have to look at the circumstances and the facts, not what's on paper in a data bank. What if said sex offender had a statutory rape charge? Or what if the person who reported the crime simply felt bad afterwards, even if they consented in the first place? I know a lot of people who fall under that category, and it's ruined their lives.

Saying, "Oh, you can't learn because you're obviously only spending thousands of dollars just be be here and prey on people." Sounds absolutely ridiculous.

willrod
October 28th, 2010, 09:57 AM
I disagree... I think certain things like sex offenders and murders should be labeled. You think its completely ok for a convicted sex offender to walk around a college campus.

How would you feel if your son/daughter was raped by a convicted sex offender that was allowed on to school grounds and the school knew about his record. I would be in outrage.

Definitely agree- I have zero tolerance for things like sex offenders- and universities should have a system to cross-check whether or not someone committed a heinous crime like that. Should they be barred from attending college? Not necessarily, but there should be extra vigilance on the part of school administrators.

In my humble opinion, I think we should go back to the days of the Scarlet Letter for certain crimes like sex offenses. Might seem cruel, but branding someone or making them wear something identifiable as a sex offender would certainly make it easier to spot them and prevent them or others from committing such crimes.

Amnesiac
October 28th, 2010, 05:55 PM
What do you think? This was prompted by this article. What do you think? Plus, should colleges have access to juvenile criminal records?

http://www.aolnews.com/opinion/article/opinion-college-applications-should-include-criminal-background-checks/19550016

I don't think one's personal issues, especially the "scandalous" facebook photos mentioned in the article, should be brought into consideration when colleges choose students. However, for serious (read: serious) criminal offenses, they should take into consideration whether or not the person has been fully rehabilitated.

TopGear
October 28th, 2010, 08:56 PM
Hahaha Love the idea William, Just like in Inglorious Bastards, how they carved the swastika into the nazi's foreheads. We should make a universal symbol for that and start branding them, people will think twice before rapping or killing someone and if they dont and they do rape or kill someone they will have that marked on them for everyone to know.