Youtube taken over by the radical left

[Phantom]

Youtube has just been bought out by california liberals. And now being the pussys they are, are starting to bann conservative videos that own them.
Youtube had a debate 8 months ago and all the conservatives that owned them got banned and user accounts suspended.
This is the left of today *sigh* anyone that proves a point with facts get dismissed as propaganda (wizard) or just banned from forums.

Here is a video about it. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x2XSaXaIDfM
This video got banned in RECORD time fastest ever all because the liberals are to scared to debate because they will get their ass kicked.

Well if your a conservative make sure not to post any videos that prove your points with facts. You just might get banned.

[redcar]

you talk about propaganda, that video there is pure propaganda. the video compared islam to communism.

your political opinions are fine, their your opinions, i respect them as i hope you would expect mine. although your attitude of conservative supremecy is too far.

when you come out with phrases such as...

...the liberals are to scared to debate because they will get their ass kicked.
you loose all credibility. you need to show respect for others.

[mRojas2000]

AND... who cares?? it's just a website... I doubt everyone is there watching political videos... people go there when they are bored *COUGH* ME *COUGH*, when they wanna have fun *COUGH* ME *COUGH*, to watch lonelygirl *COUGH* ME *COUGH*, or to look for porn videos and report them *COUGH* ME *COUGH*...

[Phantom]

you talk about propaganda, that video there is pure propaganda. the video compared islam to communism.

your political opinions are fine, their your opinions, i respect them as i hope you would expect mine. although your attitude of conservative supremecy is too far.

when you come out with phrases such as...


you loose all credibility. you need to show respect for others.I respect your opinions very much. I admit I probably dislike liberals to much :D . If you have seen some of the stuff they have done you would understand though.
The video is not pure propaganda. See you are dismissing it because it has a valid point backed up by facts.
Its more the priciple of the thing.
Liberals are banning conservatives because they are making points with facts and debunking liberal viewpoints.

[TheWizard]

I have decided to post one of the mohmad cartoons on VT as a free speech protest. Where can I find one?

[Phantom]

Not sure. And Josh be carefull they might just come to your house and behead you *sarcasm* I am sure they would like to though.

[TheWizard]

I do not fear them. If they come I could protect myself. I just need to find one of the cartoons. :)

[TheWizard]

How do you spell Mohamed?

[Phantom]

I do not fear them. If they come I could protect myself. I just need to find one of the cartoons. :)Yeah because this is america so you could just shoot them.

How do you spell Mohamed?Not sure don't realy care though

[Makod]

or to look for porn videos and report them *COUGH* ME *COUGH*...

Off topic: Why would you use youtube for porn?

[redcar]

See you are dismissing it because it has a valid point backed up by facts.

no i am dismissing it because it doesnt have a valid point backed up by facts. in all fairness something like that looses all credibility when it compares Islam to Communists.

[Phantom]

no i am dismissing it because it doesnt have a valid point backed up by facts. in all fairness something like that looses all credibility when it compares Islam to Communists.It does not do that. I think you are just lightly listening.
What it said is that Islam is COMING OFF just like communism did in the 80s.
So instead of communism we now have islam.
And in all fairness I think comparing Islam to fascism is more fair. Sharia Islamic law look it up :)

Please watch the video again and pay better attention.

[mRojas2000]

Off topic: Why would you use youtube for porn?

Because when I get REALLY bored, and I've seen thousands of videos already, I look in the new videos for porn to repost them... I don't even look at them, lol. Most of them are asians, and I don't like it... or, I will just go a head and report a bunch of videos that have nothing to do with porn, or brake the rules XD [/OFF TOPIC]

[redcar]

It does not do that. I think you are just lightly listening.
What it said is that Islam is COMING OFF just like communism did in the 80s.
So instead of communism we now have islam.
And in all fairness I think comparing Islam to fascism is more fair. Sharia Islamic law look it up :)

Please watch the video again and pay better attention.
do not be condesending towards me, it will get you no where.

and once again you are loosing all credibility and making a mockery of Islam by comparing it with facism. that is such a disgusting sterotype to make. you being an American should realise what nasty sterotypes people can make, or do you realise how the world view Americans?

[Melchi0r]

All I can say is, Phantom, when you make posts about politics and stuff, you mix your opinions with what's going on to try and make your opinions sound like facts and you don't seem open to room for debate, you just expect people to join your side on the matter. So be more considerate about other people's views or stay out of this forum.

[Dante]

you say it is a valid point backed up by facts, where are the facts? all I see is a man talking bad about the religion of islam because they get offended when the image of their prophet mohammad is being used to insult everything they believe in. I do not believe that Muslims should react in Violence, but I believ WE as a western society should show more respect to religious figures. Whether it is with Cartoons insulting Jesus or Cartoons Insulting Mohammad.

Islam is one of the most peaceful religions in the world. YOU only see it as negative because a few Muslim Extremists want to do us harm, so you stereotype all Muslims into that category.

[Phantom]

you say it is a valid point backed up by facts, where are the facts? all I see is a man talking bad about the religion of islam because they get offended when the image of their prophet mohammad is being used to insult everything they believe in. I do not believe that Muslims should react in Violence, but I believ WE as a western society should show more respect to religious figures. Whether it is with Cartoons insulting Jesus or Cartoons Insulting Mohammad.

Islam is one of the most peaceful religions in the world. YOU only see it as negative because a few Muslim Extremists want to do us harm, so you stereotype all Muslims into that category.Apparently you have never been to the middle east. Go to the middle east and tell me Islam is still peaceful. Dude Muslims are killing people OVER A CARTOON!!!!! I mean wtf that is just taking it to far.

All I can say is, Phantom, when you make posts about politics and stuff, you mix your opinions with what's going on to try and make your opinions sound like facts and you don't seem open to room for debate, you just expect people to join your side on the matter. So be more considerate about other people's views or stay out of this forum. So I should never voice my opinion? I never ask people to join my side I have no clue where you are getting that from. I like opposition.

do not be condesending towards me, it will get you no where.

and once again you are loosing all credibility and making a mockery of Islam by comparing it with facism. that is such a disgusting sterotype to make. you being an American should realise what nasty sterotypes people can make, or do you realise how the world view Americans?I am not being condescending toward you Alex.
I think you need to see what Muslims do over a CARTOON.
Or better yet what they did after the pope told them to control their extremists. Why then Alex would HUGE populations of them riot and destroy things over cartoons and speech's IF they are SO peaceful as you say.
Islam is a perfect example of fascism. I am going to kill you to prove my religion is peacefully sort of thing. Harsh dictatorships, brainwashing children to HATE anyone non Muslim. Allow me to break out the video of the brainwashed 3 year old girl. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9r5iLhreGEg

Heres a 14 year old about to blow himself up.
Now what would make these kids think this way in a PEACEFUL religion that is NOT fascist I have not clue.
I guess you haven't read the article of how Palestinian terrorists use kids as human shields and actually KILLED a kid to turn it into anti Israeli propaganda.
Alex do you know what Sharia is?
It is Islamic law EXTREMELY barbaric and brutal.
Stonings, cutting of hands and feet, mutilation, breaking bones, hanging by cranes ETC.
Your gay you get hung. I actually have an article about teenagers getting hung for that.
I have another one about this girl that has a disease so she can't control herself, she got raped twice. She got hung by a crane and was kicking around for 20 mins before she died.

[Dante]

Thank you for proving my point of you stereotyping

[0=]

You're a facist Phantom. You're using insults and other forms of belittlement to try to force us to think the way you do, it's not as extreme as threatening to kill someone, but it's still facism. You're just as evil to the rest of the world as the rest of the world is to you, except you're the only one who is actually evil, most people, in any society, are loving, caring individuals who just try to make ends meet, not religious extremists.

[Phantom]

You're a facist Phantom. You're using insults and other forms of belittlement to try to force us to think the way you do, it's not as extreme as threatening to kill someone, but it's still facism. You're just as evil to the rest of the world as the rest of the world is to you, except you're the only one who is actually evil, most people, in any society, are loving, caring individuals who just try to make ends meet, not religious extremists.Um no. If I am a facist you are a communist terrorist.
I have insulted no one (read my ceasefire thread) if you take a few exclamation points as insults somthings wrong with you.
Popo this is VERY typical of you, you have nothing to say you can't back anything up, you don't have a chance of counter debateing my points so you respond with a post calling me facist, popo grow up.
If you have a point to make make it or go away.

[*Dissident*]

my turn to use wikipedia:

Fascism is a radical political ideology that combines elements of corporatism, authoritarianism, nationalism, militarism, anti-anarchism, anti-communism and anti-liberalism.

[Phantom]

Radical Islam is a radical political ideology that combines elements of corporatism,(replace that with religious doctrine) authoritarianism,( Sharia islam law) nationalism( Brainwashing religious doctrine), militarism( Jihad), anti-anarchism(Sharia Islam law), anti-communism(Anti everything) and anti-liberalism(Anti everything).

FIXED :)

[*Dissident*]

So, are you saying you act like radical islamists?

[Phantom]

So, are you saying you act like radical islamists?Ok you are now in the desperate part of the debating cycle, just like Hyper was in that other thread.
You are just throwing stupid false facts out their to try to keep on going.

[*Dissident*]

i was just pointing out the interesting. You say we defeated facism, but obviously, if we are still fighting these "Facist Islamics" than we havent

[Phantom]

i was just pointing out the interesting. You say we defeated facism, but obviously, if we are still fighting these "Facist Islamics" than we haventFacism has no power left.
Radical islamists are facists in a way. They are a diffent kind of facist, we will destroy them to soon enough and the world will be at peace intill the next zionist totalian movment pops up somwhere.

[*Dissident*]

see? it cannot be defeated. there will always be more. As you say, the Nazi's "Have been defeated", and i dont see them popping up again. yet you admit that this zionist totalian movment will pop up again.

Do you at least understand my logic? Because Terrorism is not a government, or a country, or something we can identify by looking at, but a thing that is spontaneous and cannot surrender, cannot give up, we cannot bomb terrorism like we can bomb nazi's. Those that are terrorists hide where we dont see, and live amongst those citizens that are perfectly good. Nazi's and Facists (they are different, you know) were surrounded by other nazi's and facists. They lived in a countrey, where all the other nazi's and facists in the entire world lived, and if we got the nazi leader to surrender/die, then nazism is defeated. But there is no universal terrorism leader. No controling body. There are terror cells, yes. There is Osama, There are leaders. But they dont control terrorists like Hitler did. There isnt a society of terrorists. If you didnt do what hitler did, you and your family were killed, and he had complete control of an entire countrey. Terrorists dont have a countrey.

[Phantom]

see? it cannot be defeated. there will always be more. As you say, the Nazi's "Have been defeated", and i dont see them popping up again. yet you admit that this zionist totalian movment will pop up again.

Do you at least understand my logic? Because Terrorism is not a government, or a country, or something we can identify by looking at, but a thing that is spontaneous and cannot surrender, cannot give up, we cannot bomb terrorism like we can bomb nazi's. Those that are terrorists hide where we dont see, and live amongst those citizens that are perfectly good. Nazi's and Facists (they are different, you know) were surrounded by other nazi's and facists. They lived in a countrey, where all the other nazi's and facists in the entire world lived, and if we got the nazi leader to surrender/die, then nazism is defeated. But there is no universal terrorism leader. No controling body. There are terror cells, yes. There is Osama, There are leaders. But they dont control terrorists like Hitler did. There isnt a society of terrorists. If you didnt do what hitler did, you and your family were killed, and he had complete control of an entire countrey. Terrorists dont have a countrey.You misread. I said that ANOTHER zionist totaliarian movent will pop up. I never said it would be facists. it could be christians for all we know.
We can and we are killing terrorists its a FACT. Another fun fact we have killed over 60,000 and wounded millions.
We are and we will win.
We will keep fighting intill we win.
If this war drags on into my adult life so be it I am prepared to take up arms and fight.
We don't need Liberals and anti war fuckers damageing the moral of our soldiers. Its almost like they want us to lose.
I will say again Liberals and Anti war idiots said we couldnt beat soviet russia or german which were BOTH 1000000's of times stronger than terrorists.

[*Dissident*]

We don't need Liberals and anti war fuckers

thanks.

Anyway, do you expect, after we kill enough of them, for them to just, internationally, every single terrorist i the world to just say "Ok, Here i am, i give up", and for all ideas of terrorism and hatred to be wiped from the minds of all people everywhere for all eternity? No. Terrorism doesnt gather its resources for military power from a government...or not any more, anyway. By the way, ending state support of terrorism is a valiant goal, which might be accomplished. But, back on topic, Terrorism is self sustaining. When you take down the nazi government, the nazi's lose their capacity to fight. Thats not the same with terrorists.

[Phantom]

thanks.

Anyway, do you expect, after we kill enough of them, for them to just, internationally, every single terrorist i the world to just say "Ok, Here i am, i give up", and for all ideas of terrorism and hatred to be wiped from the minds of all people everywhere for all eternity? No. Terrorism doesnt gather its resources for military power from a government...or not any more, anyway. By the way, ending state support of terrorism is a valiant goal, which might be accomplished. But, back on topic, Terrorism is self sustaining. When you take down the nazi government, the nazi's lose their capacity to fight. Thats not the same with terrorists.Horribly taken out of context.
Please don't do that, if I wanted to I could cut apart your sentences.
Eventualy they will find no country that will hide them or fund them, because anyone that does will be attacked or santioned aka Afghanistan.
Or we will just beat the shit out of them intill they are powerless.
Or last but not likly they will get it through their heads that if they mess with us the only way is death.
Terrorist canot survive without moeny both you and me know this.
Moeny for weapons food training everything.
Right now Iran is the main supplier of terrorists.
That will change soon.
Terrorists are not self sustaining they need moeny.
If it is just some idiot with an ak that is an insurgent they are mostly harmless.
Without moeny how would terrorists fly over here to attack?

[*Dissident*]

there will be more terrorists. and once we kill them, they will inspire more. and more. and more. By killing them, we fulfill their wishes. they inspire more like minded people. Ever seen V for Vendetta? it basically explains the fight against an Idea thing.

[Phantom]

there will be more terrorists. and once we kill them, they will inspire more. and more. and more. By killing them, we fulfill their wishes. they inspire more like minded people. Ever seen V for Vendetta? it basically explains the fight against an Idea thing.Typical liberal response. So far you have been wrong liberals I mean.
So you are a civilian. US kills abunch of terrorists.
Does that make you want to become one and die like the rest?
Liberals confuse me :confused:

[*Dissident*]

civilians dont all share the same mind set, as aparent in this conversation.
There are those civilians that hate the US. those are the ones.

[Phantom]

civilians dont all share the same mind set, as aparent in this conversation.
There are those civilians that hate the US. those are the ones.You are still making no sense.
I am asking WHAT WOULD MAKE YOU WANT TO PICK UP ARMS AND DIE LIKE THE REST.
I don't understand why you would take up an ak just to get shot down.
I think its just a liberal excuse to justify pulling out.
I would understand if we are indiscriminately killing civilians but we are not by any means.

[*Dissident*]

people have fought for their countrey facing certain death thousands of times. The United States was 1000 to 1 beating britian in the revolutionary war. people still took up arms. the terrorists in iraq know for certain they will die. they are suicide bombers! yet, their untold patriotism and commitment to an ideal trumps fear of death

[Phantom]

people have fought for their countrey facing certain death thousands of times. The United States was 1000 to 1 beating britian in the revolutionary war. people still took up arms. the terrorists in iraq know for certain they will die. they are suicide bombers! yet, their untold patriotism and commitment to an ideal trumps fear of deathIf they were fighting for their country they would be fighting on our side.
Like I said again we will destroy their ideology just like the Nazis and Soviets.
Once they find no safe harbor find that their funds are gone, they will be defeated and basicly harmless.

[*Dissident*]

the terrorists believe they are fighting for their countery too

[Phantom]

the terrorists believe they are fighting for their countery tooThen why do they hide behind children. Whey do they hide in populated areas hoping for people to get bombed. Why do they strap bombs to children. Why do they hide in hospitals and in schools. Why do they kill civilians. Cmpcmp acculay pulled up some articals were terrorists were slaughtering civilians.
Now don't you dare try to say that I would do the same thing if US was invaded.
Simply put they are not defending their country, there is nothing you can say that will prove otherwise.
Debate over.

[*Dissident*]

ok then, debate over.

[Phantom]

I might add it was a good debate though ::):

[redcar]

I think you need to see what Muslims do over a CARTOON.
mmm do you think i have never watched TV? or read the paper?

i know what they did.


IF they are SO peaceful as you say.

and i said that, where?

at the end of the day, your sterotyping wrongly. a very smalll population of all groups can give the majority a very bad name. the irish not so long ago had the name of terrorists too cause a small group of us decided to bomb England a bit. but that doesnt mean i was a terrorist does it?

[*Dissident*]

I might add it was a good debate though ::

i was being sarcastic, because i was tired. Anyway, lets see where we left off...killing terrorists will stop others from becoming terrorists? And they are not defending their country? Well, the second has truth to it, i must say, i was very tired last night when i posted that they were. But the first....since when has death ever been a factor for them? They are suicide bombers! they believe Allah wants them to die, and they are converting and training more in secret. If you dont think they are, and that no one would believe such radical nonesense, then think of all the major religions of the world. Christianity converted the Roman Empire because of its promise of heaven. Essentially, the promise of a better afterlife in exchange for service to god can convert anyone who feels down trodden enough to except a life (or death) of pain. And us killing them only fulfills their wishes.

[Phantom]

mmm do you think i have never watched TV? or read the paper?

i know what they did.


and i said that, where?

at the end of the day, your sterotyping wrongly. a very smalll population of all groups can give the majority a very bad name. the irish not so long ago had the name of terrorists too cause a small group of us decided to bomb England a bit. but that doesnt mean i was a terrorist does it?O I'm sorry it wasnt you that said Islam was a religion of peace, it was ~dante~ I get you guys mixed up somtimes.
Now you may think I am sterotyping when I am realy not.
Somtimes I don't bother to type out "and the religious extreamists of the mostly peacefull muslim population" and just type muslims.
Yes as an American I do realize what kind of sterotypes people can make.
IRA correct was the name of the Irish terrorist group. They were also cowards hiding behind children.
I didn't see the Irish condeming them (or perhaps they did I'm not sure)
so its pretty easy to make assumptions, same thing with muslims.
See I think you are wrong at only a small amount of muslims are radicals.
Basicly the entire middle east has been filled by hate by these radicals.
If you go to Iran on fridays after prayer a HUGE number of them are chanting in the streets death to america and all that nice stuff.
Its not just the small numbers of terrorists holed up in caves that are radicals.
Its quite a bit more than that.

i was being sarcastic, because i was tired. Anyway, lets see where we left off...killing terrorists will stop others from becoming terrorists? And they are not defending their country? Well, the second has truth to it, i must say, i was very tired last night when i posted that they were. But the first....since when has death ever been a factor for them? They are suicide bombers! they believe Allah wants them to die, and they are converting and training more in secret. If you dont think they are, and that no one would believe such radical nonesense, then think of all the major religions of the world. Christianity converted the Roman Empire because of its promise of heaven. Essentially, the promise of a better afterlife in exchange for service to god can convert anyone who feels down trodden enough to except a life (or death) of pain. And us killing them only fulfills their wishes.You accualy have a point. Well at least they are not afraid to die.
But just because you kill them does by no means make them stronger.
I already posted about this in your war is hell diary.

[*Dissident*]

It has happened many times in history, that the death and sacrifice of a few can ignite the flames of hatred and patriotism in many. Christianity, while not a perfect example, seems to use such logic. what about Mumia? one man, one, regular man, part of a radical, and sometimes violent extremist group, The Black Panthers, was falifly accused of shooting a police officer. There is a lot of evidence of this, if you would like the evidence in his defense, i would be more than happy to offer it. anyway, he is on death row right now, and there are HUGE protests against ONE MAN dieing. ONE. even though most people dont support the black panthers, i personally dont, they care about this single, injustice. It only takes one spark to ignite a forest fire.

[Phantom]

It has happened many times in history, that the death and sacrifice of a few can ignite the flames of hatred and patriotism in many. Christianity, while not a perfect example, seems to use such logic. what about Mumia? one man, one, regular man, part of a radical, and sometimes violent extremist group, The Black Panthers, was falifly accused of shooting a police officer. There is a lot of evidence of this, if you would like the evidence in his defense, i would be more than happy to offer it. anyway, he is on death row right now, and there are HUGE protests against ONE MAN dieing. ONE. even though most people dont support the black panthers, i personally dont, they care about this single, injustice. It only takes one spark to ignite a forest fire.You have a point.
But yet no solution worth mentioning.
I still think we can destroy them.
Destroy their funds
Destroy their safe harbors
Destroy them
Terrorism has been defeated and shut down before.
See the thing is though, terrorists are quite a bit different than the black panthers or any other group BECAUSE they are fueled by RELIGIOUS hatred, not by patriotism or injustices.
Terrorists are religious extremists that want the death of all infidels.
They are not patriots nor do they think of themselves as such
They are not freedom fighters nor do they think of themselves as such.
They think of themselves as warriors of Islam, and THATS what makes them different.
Make it so terrorism is HATED globaly especialy in the middle east. Get their goverments to condem it.
You don't see very many Nazis now adays because they have been CONDEMED globaly. Hell germany even made it illegal to draw swastikas or yell hail hitler.
The ONLY way I think to defeat them is to wipe their perverted religion off the planet and get other Muslims to help (just like we are doing).
They will eventually be destroyed or powerless just like Nazis are today.
You know I can also use Nazis as an example of how they can be defeated.
You do know that the Nazis and Japanese were both reduced to suicide bombing after we won.
The war actually went on a few years after it was over because little pockets of loyalists were hiding. Same things with terrorists.
Same thing with the Saddam loyalists.

[redcar]

O I'm sorry it wasnt you that said Islam was a religion of peace, it was ~dante~ I get you guys mixed up somtimes.
Now you may think I am sterotyping when I am realy not.
Somtimes I don't bother to type out "and the religious extreamists of the mostly peacefull muslim population" and just type muslims.
Yes as an American I do realize what kind of sterotypes people can make.
IRA correct was the name of the Irish terrorist group. They were also cowards hiding behind children.
I didn't see the Irish condeming them (or perhaps they did I'm not sure)
so its pretty easy to make assumptions, same thing with muslims.
See I think you are wrong at only a small amount of muslims are radicals.
Basicly the entire middle east has been filled by hate by these radicals.
If you go to Iran on fridays after prayer a HUGE number of them are chanting in the streets death to america and all that nice stuff.
Its not just the small numbers of terrorists holed up in caves that are radicals.
Its quite a bit more than that.

correct the it was the IRA. and let me tell me tell you something about that lovely group of people. yes there was opposition to what they did, cause it wasnt nice. but a lot of people generally didnt speak out against them because they are the type of group that if you said a bad word about them, you would find yourself in a shallow grave. they were ruthless. thankfully they have totally disarmed.

they are chanting that because they are sick of American intervention. but do you think they mean it? there is a difference between saying something and actually meaning it remember.

[Phantom]

correct the it was the IRA. and let me tell me tell you something about that lovely group of people. yes there was opposition to what they did, cause it wasnt nice. but a lot of people generally didnt speak out against them because they are the type of group that if you said a bad word about them, you would find yourself in a shallow grave. they were ruthless. thankfully they have totally disarmed.

they are chanting that because they are sick of American intervention. but do you think they mean it? there is a difference between saying something and actually meaning it remember.I figured that.
So they were disarmed you say.
Well thats proof right there that terrorists CAN be defeated.
Iran is chanting death to america PARTLY because we helped Iraq drive them off in the Iran Iraq war.
PARTLY because they are being brainwashed by intolerant religious doctrine.
They are mostly uneducated and easly manipulated.
They follow their leaders like sheep.

[redcar]

they werent disarmed par se. they decided to try and what they want without violence so they gave ti all up, but they did it themselves.

you say they follow their leaders like sheep, and what do you do? what do a lot of people do? they follow their leaders because by definition leaders are meant to be followed.

[Phantom]

they werent disarmed par se. they decided to try and what they want without violence so they gave ti all up, but they did it themselves.

you say they follow their leaders like sheep, and what do you do? what do a lot of people do? they follow their leaders because by definition leaders are meant to be followed.You can't seriously think I follow bush like a sheep. I question alot of what he does.
You can't honestly say that if bush said it was ok to kill other ethnic groups I would realy be on board.

[Break the Cage]

Ok I missed this thread and really can't be assed to read it all, but..
The Left don't take over, they revolutionise. Viva La Revolution.

[TheWizard]

This whole world is a great big mess. Bush has caused a lot of hate for Americans with his poorly planned wars, which he is now trying to correct after 4 years of war. Took him long enough to realize his tatcis were wrong. He should have listened to his generals and admirals instead of the loser dumsfield.

[TheWizard]

Ok I missed this thread and really can't be assed to read it all, but..
The Left don't take over, they revolutionise. Viva La Revolution.

:clap:

Yes !! :)

[*Dissident*]

You can't honestly say that if bush said it was ok to kill other ethnic groups I would realy be on board.

interesting, becasue you jsut said

The ONLY way I think to defeat them is to wipe their perverted religion off the planet

[cmpcmp]

The ONLY way I think to defeat them is to wipe their perverted religion off the planet
I think that hes refering to radical islam. The reasoning behind it isn't because Bush said so, its because of other things like...
-what they do (think 9/11), (think dead Iraqi civilians)
-how they act (think mohamad cartoons)
-how they brainwash their children into doing the same thing

if bush said "kill all 1/4 asian and 3/4 Irish people he wouldn't do it cuz there is no reason for it.

Stop trying to over simplify other peoples opinions, and then change it to something that it isn't at all.

[Phantom]

interesting, becasue you jsut saidOut of context. I would expect no less of you.:rolleyes:
I am talking about radical Islamics which according to you are very small numbers.
Also since when has someone been ETHNICALLY Muslim?

[*Dissident*]

so, genocide only counts if its ethnicity. so, the holocaust was A-ok? not saying that killing all the terrorists is a bad thing, just making the point

[Phantom]

so, genocide only counts if its ethnicity. so, the holocaust was A-ok? not saying that killing all the terrorists is a bad thing, just making the pointI was just picking apart your wording.
Well here comes the liberals with the loaded terms!!!
If destroying terrorists is genocide so is killing Nazis in ww2.
You want to see some REAL genocide look at rwanda or the whole middle east.

[Whisper]

I was just picking apart your wording.
Well here comes the liberals with the loaded terms!!!
If destroying terrorists is genocide so is killing Nazis in ww2.
You want to see some REAL genocide look at rwanda or the whole middle east.

Or Darfur which the whole western world is ignoring
which is pissing me off America ignored Rwanda but atleast Canada tried
even were ignoring it now
fuckin pathedic

[Phantom]

Or Darfur which the whole western world is ignoring
which is pissing me off America ignored Rwanda but atleast Canada tried
even were ignoring it now
fuckin pathedicThe world turns a blind eye to genocide.
But once our president invades a country the whole world crys out injustic.
Once we decide enough is enough and go after terrorists the world has all the critisim to offer but no solution.

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i posted this in my diary, i think phantom asked the same question here....here are my answers

For one thing, we didnt defeat communism. If you mean we defeated soviet russia, we didnt do that either, there was never a war, there was an arms race, and that didnt lead to their downfall, their economy and government corruption did. anyway:


We beat both of them and they were 100's of times stronger than ragheads with aks.
Who says terrorism is limited to just middle eastern nations? North Korea has nukes, Asia has money, europe has money, africa has guns, Terrorism may be most apparent in the middle east, but I assure you, it also lies elsewhere. And do you think that before they became terrorists they did not have Jobs? I mean, Osama was a freaking MILLIONAIRE. they got MILLIONS from the old regimes, from other countries, and if we stopped them now, they still have that money. They can rob people, steal things, and hey, all the need to afford is one plane ticket and a plastic knife.




Terrorists can't funtion without safe havens

So, they cant disguise themselves now, and access to the Hindu Kush mts is now offlimits, and they canthide in cities, and they cant go to other countries, they cant, they cant, they cant. We cant police every square inch of the earth, and we cant spy on every preson making sure they arent terrorists.




Terrorists can't funtion without fighters


You make it seem that they can instantly recruit thousands of people.

What makes you think anyone would want to join terrorist organizations surly they would know it would lead to death.
Dieing is no consequence when death brings rewards. Their radical islamic theory is almost as radical as early christianity used to be. "Belief in one God! PREPOSTEROUS!!! Caesar is our God! and he rules with Jupiter!" the promise of a better life after death was the lure that reeled christianity into being the official religion of the Roman Empire by the Edict of Milam, Constantine, i believe it was the year 300. anyway, radical islam promises the same thing. Martydom is not only rewarded, but expected. Death is the key to 1000 virgins in heaven. Death is no consequence. Thousands of people have been recruited with this hope, and thousands more will continue to be. The down trodden, forgotten, those with nothing to lose, and everything to gain, with a hate for the west inspired by propoganda, and greed, and religion, all of these people will be prime targets for terrorist recruiting.

What about the IRA? they are/were considered terrorists, just because they hated england and northen ireland. Terrorism only takes one ingredient to work. Hatred.

[Phantom]

i posted this in my diary, i think phantom asked the same question here....here are my answers

[QUOTE]For one thing, we didnt defeat communism. If you mean we defeated soviet russia, we didnt do that either, there was never a war, there was an arms race, and that didnt lead to their downfall, their economy and government corruption did. anyway: We beat soviet russia.
Liberals said we couldnt we did. Russia was WAY WAY WAY stronger than terrorists can ever dream of and we beat them.





So, they cant disguise themselves now, and access to the Hindu Kush mts is now offlimits, and they canthide in cities, and they cant go to other countries, they cant, they cant, they cant. We cant police every square inch of the earth, and we cant spy on every preson making sure they arent terrorists.I can disguise myself. Whats your point?
Just because you can hide dosnt mean you can kill people.
They need training grounds. Places to meet. Places to stash weapons.
WE don't have to. We just need to make sure other goverments are doing their part to track down terrorists cells in their own countrys.





What makes you think anyone would want to join terrorist organizations surly they would know it would lead to death.
Dieing is no consequence when death brings rewards. Their radical islamic theory is almost as radical as early christianity used to be. "Belief in one God! PREPOSTEROUS!!! Caesar is our God! and he rules with Jupiter!" the promise of a better life after death was the lure that reeled christianity into being the official religion of the Roman Empire by the Edict of Milam, Constantine, i believe it was the year 300. anyway, radical islam promises the same thing. Martydom is not only rewarded, but expected. Death is the key to 1000 virgins in heaven. Death is no consequence. Thousands of people have been recruited with this hope, and thousands more will continue to be. The down trodden, forgotten, those with nothing to lose, and everything to gain, with a hate for the west inspired by propoganda, and greed, and religion, all of these people will be prime targets for terrorist recruiting.I think I have explained this to you but let me again.
Even if they will keep coming they need weapons ETC you can't kill people with your bare hands (basicly).
Muslims were the same way in ancient times. But they were defeated.
The whole relgion (the way these people teach it) has to be destroyed.
Simple as that.
I will explain more later :)

What about the IRA? they are/were considered terrorists, just because they hated england and northen ireland. Terrorism only takes one ingredient to work. Hatred.[/IRA is gone.QUOTE]

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you dont make any sense....you just completely ignored what i said....

[*Dissident*]

either way, i will continue this discussion tomorrow, i am going to sleep

[Phantom]

I don't think I did.

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WE don't have to. We just need to make sure other governments are doing their part to track down terrorists cells in their own country's.

This is exactly the point that people seem to discount ALL of the time.
Now there is something that is very important to point out here also.
-There are "home grown" terrorists.
--But where do they come form, and where do they go?
It has been seen that many people that become US born terrorists (Islamic ones) will and have actually traveled to other countries to train there like that one guy from California. Many of the ones from the US hang out in radical US mosques that have some teachers (Imans? or w/e) that teach them.

The point is that Terrorism can't be completely destroyed, unless we nuke the earth into oblivion, but if there aren't any states that support terrorism, then we will be much much better off.
-DO you think that in the US, or European countries like England (maybe the most effective anti terrorist measures out side the US, perhaps better not completely informed here) that something like 9/11 would be likely to have happened? (When I was unlikely i mean very unlikely). probably not, it's a lot harder here and in any other nation that actively seek out the terrorists among themselves.
(ps i got spell check for Firefox!!!!)

[Phantom]

Heh some radical muslim guy was teaching across from the WTC teaching radical shit.
The terrorists that did 9/11 accualy came from brittan.
They started getting brainwashed by the teachings of some crazed islamist.
They got tickets to go train with al quida.