Is there a "war on women"?

[ShyGuyInChicago]

Jane Velez-Mitchell hosts a show called Issues on the network HLN and she refers to violence against women as a war on women. Do you agree? She also on one episode referred to violence against women as domestic terrorism. Do you agree? Why or why not?

[steve1234]

No, thats just using words to make things sound much more worse and to make people worry even more. On the other hand, violence against anyone could cause 'terror', so yes in a way, but 'terrorism' is a word more associated with extremism and stuff like that.

Also, I'm getting slightly annoyed how all these groups and certain people are focusing on violence against women, or racism against black people or asian people. We need to focus on violence against everyone, and racism against any race or religion. For example, near where I live recently there was a talk at the town hall to advise women on how to deal with violence caused by men. Now, fair enough women in SOME cases are vulnerable, but men get abused as well, some even by female partners, so why not just have a talk on how to deal with violence against anyone, no matter what the gender.

[Jess]

is it only in the US? because in some countries women are treated unfairly...anyways I agree with Steven

[scuba steve]

No it's just a feminist twat being a feminist twat spreading her bullshit to cause more problems, if you want to take people like this seriously then it wont be long untill men are going to need documented rights (an example of this is guys often being screwed in divorce trials) the western world when it comes to gender is very equal.
Bob: hey your lookin nice today Janice.
Janice: OMFG what did you just say to me?! Lawsuit, lawsuit, lawsuit! Get the sexual harassment police quick....
What was that Bob? I can't hear you all the way on my cruise package holiday

[Amnesiac]

Yep, that's such an over-exaggeration. Every group is prone to violence. Women make up over 50% of the population, of COURSE they'll be harmed some way or another. Is discrimination against gays a "war on homosexuality"? No, because it's not a widespread issue. It's not like every woman is being subject to violence.

[scuba steve]

Yep, that's such an over-exaggeration. Every group is prone to violence. Women make up over 50% of the population, of COURSE they'll be harmed some way or another. Is discrimination against gays a "war on homosexuality"? No, because it's not a widespread issue. It's not like every woman is being subject to violence.

If you want to be so technical, i think there's slightly more men... or is it women? anyway there's like a 5% majority between one of them :P

[Amnesiac]

If you want to be so technical, i think there's slightly more men... or is it women? anyway there's like a 5% majority between one of them :P

There were 155.8 million females in the United States as of Oct. 1, 2009. The number of males was 151.8 million. At 85 and older, there were more than twice as many women as men.

(from wiki (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_the_United_States))

So yeah, there are a couple million more women than men.

[ShyGuyInChicago]

It can be argued that violence against women is a way of trying to control women and subjugate them and "keep them in their place" or in other words to keep women under the level of men. I recall an article where a psychologist said that men are more likely ot use violence as a control method.

http://www.slate.com/id/2236957/pagenum/all/

Men's rights groups, for their part, have already made the Woods case their cause célèbre, proof of their long-held, if unsubstantiated, view that women are just as likely to abuse as men. "Of course, we could hope this will call attention to DV by women, except I think it's illegal to say women commit DV," wrote one sardonic commenter on Mensactivism.org. These groups have always admired Tiger because of his close relationship to his father and because of the time his daughter, Sam Alexis, jumped out of her mom's arms and back into his. And they have used gender equality to their advantage, arguing that women can be just as powerful and manipulative as men. But in any reasonable sense, this isn't true, argues Jack Straton, a Portland State University expert in "the myth of the 'battered husband syndrome.' " Although some women surely are perpetrators, as a rule, women tend to use violence as self defense, or impulsively, not as a systematic method of control the way male abusers do. They may slap a man or throw a cup of water at him, but they're less likely to run through the usual cycle of domestic abuse: seduce, punch, beg for forgiveness month after month. Studies that say otherwise tend to equate all acts of violence—a tear in the breast pocket, say, with a shove down the stairs.

[scuba steve]

well naturally in Human beings the Female is seen as the lesser of the two as males are naturally bigger and stronger (obviously this doesn't apply to everyone) so it would be natural for some people to subconciously be doing so.... or they could just be an asshole who beats women for the fun of it, but that still doesn't give anyone the right to classify it as a "war on women" there are certain women that in context could be seen doing the same to men generally not through physical violence but through work issues, black mail, finances etc.

[Azunite]

"War" ?
Don't you think that is the right word? By war we think like men grab sticks and stones and go on women hunting on streets

It is just that men have always had more rights than women, and I think men are both pyschically and mentally advanced than women so it will always be possible for men to overlook women. ( no offense to anyone )

But, "war" and "terrorism" words ... ?

[scuba steve]

"War" ?
Don't you think that is the right word? By war we think like men grab sticks and stones and go on women hunting on streets

It is just that men have always had more rights than women, and I think men are both pyschically and mentally advanced than women so it will always be possible for men to overlook women. ( no offense to anyone )

But, "war" and "terrorism" words ... ?

Physically, in the vast majority of cases in both fully developed men and women, yes.... But deffinatly not mentally. Saying that is just a really bad case of scientific racism/opression from the 19th century.

[Azunite]

Yeah I just remembered that %99 percent of scientists are male ( and % 1 being Marie Curie and others ) but thats also because of the oppression over women

[Sith Lord 13]

Yeah I just remembered that %99 percent of scientists are male ( and % 1 being Marie Curie and others ) but thats also because of the oppression over women

That statistic is way off.

[Azunite]

I am not talking about now, I am talking abou the old centuries

[Syvelocin]

What's wrong with being a feminist? ;) Heheh. Yeah, that is overexaggerating. War is quite a strong word for it. Man against woman violence isn't actually more abundant than any other violence.

I think a huge part of it is the gender stereotypes. Men are expected to be a certain way, like certain things, have certain feelings. While women are usually seen as the weaker ones, more emotional, lesser, because they're not encouraged to hide that side of them. There is no difference between men and women except for a few different parts, we're just so used to this stereotype that has been ingrained in our brains in our youth. Both genders coexist. One isn't greater than the other. We need both to carry out our ultimate purpose: keep the species going.

I think the other part is religion, for misc. reasons. Might I mention the story about Adam and Eve? For those who believe in that, it certainly didn't help sexism.

That one statement, oddly, I took offense to Cengiz. Mentally? Are we talking about the same species here? Both genders have the same chances to be physically and mentally adept. However, if we're going by which is usually more abundant, I'm sorry but it's physicality in men and mentality in women. It can also be reversed, but in today's society, I see more stronger men than stronger women, and smarter women than smarter men. Though, like I said, both genders have the same ability to be either. My fiancé is one of the most intelligent people I've ever met. In his case, his mentality succeeds his physicality. Sadly, I find that society is often too blinded by the stereotypes to attempt to break those stereotypes.

[Sith Lord 13]

That one statement, oddly, I took offense to Cengiz. Mentally? Are we talking about the same species here? Both genders have the same chances to be physically and mentally adept. However, if we're going by which is usually more abundant, I'm sorry but it's physicality in men and mentality in women. It can also be reversed, but in today's society, I see more stronger men than stronger women, and smarter women than smarter men. Though, like I said, both genders have the same ability to be either. My fiancé is one of the most intelligent people I've ever met. In his case, his mentality succeeds his physicality. Sadly, I find that society is often too blinded by the stereotypes to attempt to break those stereotypes.

In my experience, I've never seen an intelligence difference across gender lines, except as dictated by maturity. Physicality, there is a major difference, but that's accountable to hormones, specifically testosterone, no more.

[scuba steve]

In my experience, I've never seen an intelligence difference across gender lines, except as dictated by maturity. Physicality, there is a major difference, but that's accountable to hormones, specifically testosterone, no more.

I was just about to say. Saying that women are generally more intellligent than men is just as bad as men stating women are inferior (this is where alot feminists fail to draw the line)

[The Dark Lord]

Yeah I just remembered that %99 percent of scientists are male ( and % 1 being Marie Curie and others ) but thats also because of the oppression over women

That's simply not true

"War" ?
Don't you think that is the right word? By war we think like men grab sticks and stones and go on women hunting on streets

It is just that men have always had more rights than women, and I think men are both pyschically and mentally advanced than women so it will always be possible for men to overlook women. ( no offense to anyone )

But, "war" and "terrorism" words ... ?

Again that's not true or fair to describe women as mentally inferior to men.

the "war" on women is, as ever, some feminist with an inferiority complex sprouting exaggrations

[scuba steve]

That's simply not true



Again that's not true or fair to describe women as mentally inferior to men.

the "war" on women is, as ever, some feminist with an inferiority complex sprouting exaggrations

Totally agreed, if a women starts saying that men are inferior and propaganda as such she's given the identity of a feminist someone who is a "patriot" if you will of the female gender, even though the workplace is completely equal in the western world of the 21st century. Although if a male where to press the same measures only vice versa, he would be titled a pig or just plain stupid; their is a line and people must tread carefully not to cross it.

[Syvelocin]

I was just about to say. Saying that women are generally more intellligent than men is just as bad as men stating women are inferior (this is where alot feminists fail to draw the line)

No... I didn't... I mean... no! :/

I meant that they both can be either. I've met both women and men who are intelligent, and the same way with physicality. I'm saying that men are usually encouraged to be the physical ones and women are encouraged to stay quiet and read books and not be interested in activities that are usually related to masculinity, resulting in overall knowledge levels being different. It's nothing about intelligence. I've met genious men and stupid women, and also the opposite. I was just giving examples for my stereotype theory.

*sigh* I'm going to stop running around on the Ramblings of the Wise from now on. It's not worth it. I'll be in the Psych Ward if you need me.

[scuba steve]

Well yea even though you've corrected yourself your still detailing one of the biggest modern stereotypes in the modern world: men are encouragedto be big and active whilst women are encouragedto sit in the side lines and "read books" which is extremely untrue and completely various from person to person; as i'm sure you know, i'm just pointing out the flaw of your post.

[Syvelocin]

Well yea even though you've corrected yourself your still detailing one of the biggest modern stereotypes in the modern world: men are encouragedto be big and active whilst women are encouragedto sit in the side lines and "read books" which is extremely untrue and completely various from person to person; as i'm sure you know, i'm just pointing out the flaw of your post.

Yeah, I see. My view has always been that this stereotype I was explaining being ingrained into our brains is probably a huge part of the gender supremacy. It's what we've always done, and we don't like to break tradition. That's just why I've always admired women who make something of themselves, and then the men who don't do something just because it's considered manly, but because it's who they are, say an artsy, drama type. I like it when we attempt to break stereotypes like this, since not all guys ARE "masculine" like that, as is with every stereotype known to man.

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Yeah, I see. My view has always been that this stereotype I was explaining being ingrained into our brains is probably a huge part of the gender supremacy. It's what we've always done, and we don't like to break tradition. That's just why I've always admired women who make something of themselves, and then the men who don't do something just because it's considered manly, but because it's who they are, say an artsy, drama type. I like it when we attempt to break stereotypes like this, since not all guys ARE "masculine" like that, as is with every stereotype known to man.

Well its not always like that everywhere. The biggest enforcement of this I see is in America, but there are always people who won't follow to this. It's not always 'ingrained' into our brains, but I've noticed that when others that do follow this have a conversation about people who do not, they tend to have the same theme. It's not like this all the time, but I have noticed that alot of the time it sadly is, but ofcourse different places vary with different people.

[scuba steve]

Well its not always like that everywhere. The biggest enforcement of this I see is in America, but there are always people who won't follow to this. It's not always 'ingrained' into our brains, but I've noticed that when others that do follow this have a conversation about people who do not, they tend to have the same theme.

America is the most multi cultural society known to man, you haven't looked very hard if you think this. I would suggest the likes of Africa and India to be the more tradition locked countires associated with this stereotype.

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America is the most multi cultural society known to man, you haven't looked very hard if you think this. I would suggest the likes of Africa and India to be the more tradition locked countires associated with this stereotype.

I didnt mean the stenotype itself. And I have seen alot of america and it is very varied, I'm just saying there still is a pretty big presence here. And the most of the multi cultural things I have seen are mostly in big cities.

[scuba steve]

And I have seen alot of america. And the most of the multi cultural things I have seen are mostly in big cities.

This would explain why you thought alot of the stereotypes stemed from America since you don't know much about the country. And yes your right in saying that the largest amount of multi - cultural societies exist in the metropolitan areas of city's but the leaders of this style of living are still also in America.

[dead]

This would explain why you thought alot of the stereotypes stemed from America since you don't know much about the country. And yes your right in saying that the largest amount of multi - cultural societies exist in the metropolitan areas of city's but the leaders of this style of living are still also in America.

First off, I never said they came from America. Second, Where did you get the idea that I thought this?