For conspiracy theorists

[Phantom]

http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=911_morons

Just a simple page about it.

EDIT* http://www.geocities.com/factsnotfantasy/


Let the debates begin!

[Ravenous]

They obviously wouldn't kill the guy who made the video, as that would just confirm everyones suspicions. Even the US goverment aren't that stupid.

[mRojas2000]

I don't really get what this page prooves... the bills might be a coincidence... but what else does it prove?? :confused:
and no, I didn't only read the bills part, and the comics, I read it all, but it didn't proove anything... ??

[Phantom]

Its just for fun. Read the links at the very bottom.
I am going to find another website that debunks all these ridiculously retarded conspiracy theory's.

[Hyper]

I apologize if I get pissed off while typing this post, like Maddox got pissed off while writing hes great 'truth'

Now child let me explain. Tell me have you heard of a word called OBVIOUS?
I suppose you havent so let me explain, if you simply murder a creator of something popular it will do just 1 thing : SEND A MESSAGE

For example a message of fear, a message of truth and so on it doenst matter what kind of message. It would be just so obvious if the creator of the movie gets killed and what Youtube gets closed? The WORLDS MOST POPULAR free video hosting site? Yeah that would cause no suspicions at all!

Now also if anyone is stupid enough to take seriously what this 'Maddox' writes.. Well then : http://maddox.xmission.com/
( IF YOU HAVE ANY KIND OF ******* LOGICS YOU WILL REALIZE WHAT I MEAN )

Now also let me also get back to the point of the obvious.. Now for example, let's say some punk is teasing you.. What will the mature person do? IGNORE IT! Yes that is it ignore it so to the point of IGNORAGE why should the United States of America kill some kid who makes a movie about 9/11 + MASSACRE hes family and friends.. Close down 1 of the WORLDS most POPULAR websites..

If the USA would do this, wouldn't it leave a GREAT IMPRESSION!?!?!??

[Phantom]

*sigh* *shakes head*

Hyper how could you believe such utter bullshit.
I am sure you are smarter than that....I hope.
All you conspiracy theorists get sucked in my those fucking retarded videos that only lie out the ass. How could anyone be so stupid as to believe such idiotic things?

http://www.geocities.com/factsnotfantasy/

[Hyper]

God... I stopped reading that bshit after the first 10 sentences..

[Phantom]

Does the truth sting?
I am going to find more sites debunking these retarded conspiracy theory's
http://ourworld.cs.com/mikegriffith1/refute.htm

Hyper you just......amaze me.
All of you people
How you can just so blindly believe something with no proof and against cold hard facts.
Please provide clear hard EVIDENCE that 9/11 was some master plan carried out my US fascist regimes ETC.
And please don't post that same dumb video that all you people post. I will just debunk in a few seconds.

[Hyper]

Does the truth sting?


Hyper you just......amaze me.
All of you people
How you can just so blindly believe something with no proof and against cold hard facts.


The feeling is mutual

[Phantom]

The feeling is mutual:rolleyes:
Hyper I just debunked your conspiracy theory's by posting ONE link to a website. You have YET to be able to provide ANY kind of proof that 9/11 was staged to start a false war for oil or whatever the hell you people believe.
Hyper I think you lose this debate.

[Hyper]

Again must I say there is NO WINNING OR LOSING IN DEBATES..

Only in your mind Phantom.. The only way you could win me is if I back down from my beliefs and views which I have yet done..

[Phantom]

Again must I say there is NO WINNING OR LOSING IN DEBATES..

Only in your mind Phantom.. The only way you could win me is if I back down from my beliefs and views which I have yet done..No you lost because you are plain wrong lol. Usually there is not winning or losing but when one person is undoubtedly wrong then you can lose.
If we debated about Werther or not pigs can fly and you said they can and I said they can't then I basically win.

[Hyper]

No you lost because you are plain wrong lol. Usually there is not winning or losing but when one person is undoubtedly wrong then you can lose.
If we debated about Werther or not pigs can fly and you said they can and I said they can't then I basically win.


Damn thats a fine example of Phantoms thinking, read it everyone, mostly you should read it Phantom

[Phantom]

Damn thats a fine example of Phantoms thinking, read it everyone, mostly you should read it PhantomDamn this is a fine example of Hypers thinking. Denying hard facts and substituting his own! Not accepting that he is wrong in the face of evidence. Good job Hyper!

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: Denial is a defense mechanism in which a person is faced with a fact that is painful to accept rejects it instead, insisting that it is not true despite what may be overwhelming evidence. The subject may deny the reality of the unpleasant fact altogether (simple denial), The theory of denial was first researched seriously by Anna Freud. She classified denial as a mechanism of the immature mind, because it conflicts with the ability to learn from and cope with reality.

Ok enough with this unnecessary flaming lets both stfu k

[Whisper]

Hyper, Phantom back on topic please guys

[Phantom]

We aren't that much off topic

[Hyper]

Damn this is a fine example of Hypers thinking. Denying hard facts and substituting his own! Not accepting that he is wrong in the face of evidence. Good job Hyper!



Ok enough with this unnecessary flaming lets both stfu k


What are you doing then?

[Phantom]

What are you doing then? You haven't even provided one tiny scrap of any sort of proof and you think I am the one that is in denial? While I have provided irrefutable proof?
Hyper please stop trying to debate in this topic, for your sake :)

Wikipedia wrote: Denial is a defense mechanism in which a person is faced with a fact that is painful to accept rejects it instead, insisting that it is not true despite what may be overwhelming evidence. The subject may deny the reality of the unpleasant fact altogether (simple denial) The theory of denial was first researched seriously by Anna Freud. She classified denial as a mechanism of the immature mind, because it conflicts with the ability to learn from and cope with reality.

[Hyper]

I found something better! That applies to you.. Or me but I am sure in your head it only applies to people who dont agree with you?

Google Definition:l)enial

2 Very intresting points

(psychiatry) a defense mechanism that denies painful thoughts

abnegation: renunciation of your own interests in favor of the interests of others

[*Dissident*]

Does the truth sting?
I am going to find more sites debunking these retarded conspiracy theory's
http://ourworld.cs.com/mikegriffith1/refute.htm

Hyper you just......amaze me.
All of you people
How you can just so blindly believe something with no proof and against cold hard facts.
Please provide clear hard EVIDENCE that 9/11 was some master plan carried out my US fascist regimes ETC.
And please don't post that same dumb video that all you people post. I will just debunk in a few seconds.

....Did you even see the movie, brandon?

[Phantom]

I found something better! That applies to you.. Or me but I am sure in your head it only applies to people who dont agree with you?

Google Definition:l)enial

2 Very intresting points

(psychiatry) a defense mechanism that denies painful thoughts

abnegation: renunciation of your own interests in favor of the interests of othersHyper you still haven't given me any sort of proof to support your theorys. It is futile for you to even post in this topic you have been completly and utterly owned in this debate to put it bluntly.
All you have been doing for almost all of your posts here is try to turn things around on me which is clearly not working.
Please just admit that you are wrong and stop posting stupid things to try and insult me.


From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: Denial is a defense mechanism in which a person is faced with a fact that is painful to accept rejects it instead, insisting that it is not true despite what may be overwhelming evidence. The subject may deny the reality of the unpleasant fact altogether (simple denial), The theory of denial was first researched seriously by Anna Freud. She classified denial as a mechanism of the immature mind, because it conflicts with the ability to learn from and cope with reality.

[Hyper]

Ok kid.. Yes I will call you kid even though your older than me by age your surtenly maybe 2 decades behind by mind..

You support war.. Your conservative? ( Sorry if wrong at that.. ) Your republican.. You have a sig insulting Democrats.. You have posted violent videos. Flamed everyone on the Debate forum who doesnt agree with you.. And are your sites proof? All you say is that those things are so obvious that they dont need proof.. Perhaps so are my beliefs and opinions, views?

And what realy angers me is you support war.. I am sure you even dream about going to war, blasting a few heads perhaps? Laughing at dead corpses.. Being a true patriot? I dont know if anyone close to you has been in war. And if some1 has it has clearly affected you with blind hate.. But let me tell you something.. My father was in a war yes.. He was in Afghanistan.. He came back from there when I was only a baby a few months old.. He started drinking, he would eventualy go into delerium.. He went to 'the clinic' about 4 times.. He cheated on my mom. He suspected people trying to kill him.. He brought shame to hes mother and my mother.. Hes been clean now for 3 years.. With breaks 7.. I see my father once in 3 months or more now a bit often as we live in the same city.. He sent us no money untill I turned 8.. My mother had debts and more debts.. I look- and think of my father as a stranger.. I look at old pictures and I see 2 different people, 1 happy and the other one scarred. And then I see myself without a father... Just a man I call my father, but who in my heart is not my father.

War is nothing nice.. It destroyes peoples lives.. By death, drinking, depression and so on..


I am sorry Phantom.. You realy care about your country.. But you dont seem to care much about other people or countries.. Or people who dont agree with you. And your facts are 'so obvious' that they do not need to be proven.. And your posts are trying to turn on me.. You are one of the most ignorant, ego maniac people I have ever met.

[*Dissident*]

Ok kid.. Yes I will call you kid even though your older than me by age your surtenly maybe 2 decades behind by mind..

You support war.. Your conservative? ( Sorry if wrong at that.. ) Your republican.. You have a sig insulting Democrats.. You have posted violent videos. Flamed everyone on the Debate forum who doesnt agree with you.. And are your sites proof? All you say is that those things are so obvious that they dont need proof.. Perhaps so are my beliefs and opinions, views?

And what realy angers me is you support war.. I am sure you even dream about going to war, blasting a few heads perhaps? Laughing at dead corpses.. Being a true patriot? I dont know if anyone close to you has been in war. And if some1 has it has clearly affected you with blind hate.. But let me tell you something.. My father was in a war yes.. He was in Afghanistan.. He came back from there when I was only a baby a few months old.. He started drinking, he would eventualy go into delerium.. He went to 'the clinic' about 4 times.. He cheated on my mom. He suspected people trying to kill him.. He brought shame to hes mother and my mother.. Hes been clean now for 3 years.. With breaks 7.. I see my father once in 3 months or more now a bit often as we live in the same city.. He sent us no money untill I turned 8.. My mother had debts and more debts.. I look- and think of my father as a stranger.. I look at old pictures and I see 2 different people, 1 happy and the other one scarred. And then I see myself without a father... Just a man I call my father, but who in my heart is not my father.

War is nothing nice.. It destroyes peoples lives.. By death, drinking, depression and so on..


I am sorry Phantom.. You realy care about your country.. But you dont seem to care much about other people or countries.. Or people who dont agree with you. And your facts are 'so obvious' that they do not need to be proven.. And your posts are trying to turn on me.. You are one of the most ignorant, ego maniac people I have ever met.

QFT! I have been trying to find a way to say these things for a few weeks now....thank you hyper, and i hope you listen to this phantom, please, just listen

[Phantom]

QFT! I have been trying to find a way to say these things for a few weeks now....thank you hyper, and i hope you listen to this phantom, please, just listenO yes thats real nice. Hyper is allowed to flame the fuck out of me yet whenever I say something back I get a warning or banned. :ban:

Ok kid.. Yes I will call you kid even though your older than me by age your surtenly maybe 2 decades behind by mind..

You support war.. Your conservative? ( Sorry if wrong at that.. ) Your republican.. You have a sig insulting Democrats.. You have posted violent videos. Flamed everyone on the Debate forum who doesnt agree with you.. And are your sites proof? All you say is that those things are so obvious that they dont need proof.. Perhaps so are my beliefs and opinions, views?

And what realy angers me is you support war.. I am sure you even dream about going to war, blasting a few heads perhaps? Laughing at dead corpses.. Being a true patriot? I dont know if anyone close to you has been in war. And if some1 has it has clearly affected you with blind hate.. But let me tell you something.. My father was in a war yes.. He was in Afghanistan.. He came back from there when I was only a baby a few months old.. He started drinking, he would eventualy go into delerium.. He went to 'the clinic' about 4 times.. He cheated on my mom. He suspected people trying to kill him.. He brought shame to hes mother and my mother.. Hes been clean now for 3 years.. With breaks 7.. I see my father once in 3 months or more now a bit often as we live in the same city.. He sent us no money untill I turned 8.. My mother had debts and more debts.. I look- and think of my father as a stranger.. I look at old pictures and I see 2 different people, 1 happy and the other one scarred. And then I see myself without a father... Just a man I call my father, but who in my heart is not my father.

War is nothing nice.. It destroyes peoples lives.. By death, drinking, depression and so on..


I am sorry Phantom.. You realy care about your country.. But you dont seem to care much about other people or countries.. Or people who dont agree with you. And your facts are 'so obvious' that they do not need to be proven.. And your posts are trying to turn on me.. You are one of the most ignorant, ego maniac people I have ever met.Hyper you know nothing at all about me or what I have been through. I actually have a father quite the same way. Thats sad about your father but what does that have to do with the topic? o thats right nothing its just your way to gather pity and try to make me look like the bad guy when I have said nothing about you. Apparently you have not read my ceasefire thread. I seem to remember you apologizing for flaming me? well I guess I read wrong as you are clearly doing it now :ban:
War has never solved anything huh. Please read that sign in my sig.
Without war YOU would either not be alive or be living under a harsh soviet dictatorship. Thank america YOU are free for without us beating russia in the cold war you would not be here or be oppresed and denied human rights.
So I guess this so called ignorant stupid evil america indirectly saved you life.
You also seem to think that I am an evil war monger I WANT to kill people. That is just false and sick. I would like nothing more than for everybody to live in peace war should never be the first option but alas as long as there are people like al quida out there that will never be. I am prepared to take up arms and defend my country and people that canot defend themselfs if need be. Yes Hyper even you I would defend if somone was trying to kill you. THAT is what you don't seem to be able to understand. Does that make me an evil war monger?
I do care about other countrys and people that is just a plain lie to say that I don't.

How could I not support a war against people that devote their lives to try to kill Americans and everybody else that isn't a radical Muslim. How could I not support a war against people that flew planes into buildings that killed 3000 of my own. How could I not support a war against people that commit the most horrible of evils in the name of allah. How could I not support a war against the most hatefull ideology in the history of the planet.

And hyper I am STILL waiting for you irrefutable proof that 9/11 was staged

[*Dissident*]

he wasnt flaming you, he was prooving a point. flaming is pointless, hateful, and mean. he was making the point that was actually well thoight out and bad language free, pretty much.

[Phantom]

he wasnt flaming you, he was prooving a point. flaming is pointless, hateful, and mean. he was making the point that was actually well thoight out and bad language free, pretty much.

Ok kid.. Yes I will call you kid even though your older than me by age your surtenly maybe 2 decades behind by mind..

You are one of the most ignorant, ego maniac people I have ever met.


Yeah right those were just friendly jokes.

[cmpcmp]

No one (well maybe Kolte at certian points but....) has ever said that war is a good thing. War is most always BAD, but there are things worse than war, like Genocide and starvation of your own people and other things. War isn't something that should be used lightly, because is always causes pain. But in the end it can save people and do good.
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BTW here ya go.
http://wtc.nist.gov/pubs/factsheets/faqs_8_2006.htm
http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/military_law/1227842.html
http://www.loosechangeguide.com/lcg3.html

refute that

[Phantom]

No one (well maybe Kolte at certian points but....) has ever said that war is a good thing. War is most always BAD, but there are things worse than war, like Genocide and starvation of your own people and other things. War isn't something that should be used lightly, because is always causes pain. But in the end it can save people and do good.
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BTW here ya go.
http://wtc.nist.gov/pubs/factsheets/faqs_8_2006.htm
http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/military_law/1227842.html
http://www.loosechangeguide.com/lcg3.html

refute thatQFT I agree completly with that.
Nice sites. Well I think that puts the nail in the coffin for conspiracy theorists.

[cmpcmp]

it would be nice if any conspiracy theorists would actualy post their very specific argumens so that the issue can be discussed in a more constructive manner.

[Phantom]

I have been saying the same thing. Just diffent words

[*Dissident*]

Cmpcmp, your evidence is actually quite concrete. I never really considered myself a supporter of Loose Change, but i wasnt a critic either. it seems like the evidence you bring up actually makes more sense than the movie, good job

[Phantom]

I find this funny. So when I give evidence that disproves 9/11 inside job you just dismiss it as false because it comes from me or just ignore it.
I think somone is afraid of being proven wrong by an ignorant stupid war mongering conservative

[*Dissident*]

I find this funny. So when I give evidence that disproves 9/11 inside job you just dismiss it as false because it comes from me or just ignore it.
I think somone is afraid of being proven wrong by an ignorant stupid war mongering conservative

let me see your evidence. what, Maddox? Geocities? i tried to read those, i did, but they just seemed so....unscientific...sorry, cmpcmp's was the one i read all the way through first, maybe you did have some points in yours, phantom, but i saw more accurate and better cited points in cmpcmp's

[Phantom]

let me see your evidence. what, Maddox? Geocities? i tried to read those, i did, but they just seemed so....unscientific...sorry, cmpcmp's was the one i read all the way through first, maybe you did have some points in yours, phantom, but i saw more accurate and better cited points in cmpcmp'sThe maddox one is not very good.
This one http://www.geocities.com/factsnotfantasy/ Is the best one.
I suppose. cmpcmp is very good at finding good info.

[Makod]

Um... 9/11 was a huge trick, it was actually all done by a few guys from French Guiana.

Oh and about the sign in your sig Phantom: Communism, Nazism, Fascism, and slavery all still exist...

[Phantom]

Oh and about the sign in your sig Phantom: Communism, Nazism, Fascism, and slavery all still exist...
Yeah they do. In tiny numbers not even worth mentioning. Fascism destroyed after nazi germany fell. Communism after soviet russia fell. Nazism also fell with nazi germany. Slavery fell after the civil war.

[Makod]

Slavery did not only exist in America, China's population is roughly 1,306,313,812 that's about 1/6 of the population of the world... I wouldn't consider that even close to being wiped out. Fascism will most likely exist forever. Nazism, yes that only exists in very small numbers now.

[Phantom]

Slavery did not only exist in America, China's population is roughly 1,306,313,812 that's about 1/6 of the population of the world... I wouldn't consider that even close to being wiped out. Fascism will most likely exist forever. Nazism, yes that only exists in very small numbers now.Facism only exists in very small numbers if at all anymore.
China can HARDLY be considered communism anymore. I suggest you read up on the subject. They are attaining more aspects of a market economy.

[Makod]

China is a communist country, I suggest you read up on the subject...

Also: This is getting off topic, but oh well, nothing was going on besides flaming.

[Phantom]

Also: This is getting off topic, but oh well, nothing was going on besides flaming.Yeah Hyper flaming the hell out of me :mad:

[Makod]

Meh, half of this section is flaming.

[Phantom]

Meh, half of this section is flaming.I am trying to change that. :) Apparently its not working

[Makod]

Rofl, yeah... that's why the majority of my posts are in other sections now.

[cmpcmp]

The maddox one is not very good.
This one http://www.geocities.com/factsnotfantasy/ Is the best one.
I suppose. cmpcmp is very good at finding good info
Dont give me too much credit, (while i can usualy find some good reliable numbers out there most of the time) all of the links to the sites i posted were links on the maddox site, they weren't the maddox site but they were under the "point by point" hyperlink. The ones there such as popular mechanics I do find very credible though.

[Makod]

The maddox one is not very good.
This one http://www.geocities.com/factsnotfantasy/ Is the best one.
I suppose. cmpcmp is very good at finding good info.

The first video on that website really shows why 9/11 occured... no, it wasn't Satan eating the supports <.<

[Hyper]

O yes thats real nice. Hyper is allowed to flame the fuck out of me yet whenever I say something back I get a warning or banned. :ban:

Hyper you know nothing at all about me or what I have been through. I actually have a father quite the same way. Thats sad about your father but what does that have to do with the topic? o thats right nothing its just your way to gather pity and try to make me look like the bad guy when I have said nothing about you. Apparently you have not read my ceasefire thread. I seem to remember you apologizing for flaming me? well I guess I read wrong as you are clearly doing it now :ban:
War has never solved anything huh. Please read that sign in my sig.
Without war YOU would either not be alive or be living under a harsh soviet dictatorship. Thank america YOU are free for without us beating russia in the cold war you would not be here or be oppresed and denied human rights.
So I guess this so called ignorant stupid evil america indirectly saved you life.
You also seem to think that I am an evil war monger I WANT to kill people. That is just false and sick. I would like nothing more than for everybody to live in peace war should never be the first option but alas as long as there are people like al quida out there that will never be. I am prepared to take up arms and defend my country and people that canot defend themselfs if need be. Yes Hyper even you I would defend if somone was trying to kill you. THAT is what you don't seem to be able to understand. Does that make me an evil war monger?
I do care about other countrys and people that is just a plain lie to say that I don't.

How could I not support a war against people that devote their lives to try to kill Americans and everybody else that isn't a radical Muslim. How could I not support a war against people that flew planes into buildings that killed 3000 of my own. How could I not support a war against people that commit the most horrible of evils in the name of allah. How could I not support a war against the most hatefull ideology in the history of the planet.

And hyper I am STILL waiting for you irrefutable proof that 9/11 was staged


Ohh I stopped reading at Soviet Dictatorship now this is what I like the most you Americans talk about Communism and how bad it was.. Were you here? Was your family sent to Siberia? Was your property taken for 'the greater good' ? I dont think so all youve seen is some brainwashing movies and lectures from a few teachers so let me tell you how it was here..

In alot of ways it was BETTER. Much better. Everyone had atleast some kind of a job. Yes I admit there was nothing to buy with your money but barely anyone made more money than the rest. Only the politicians had acces to the 'rare goods' also you had limits on how much you could buy something like from a 50 cm sausage you could buy max 20 cm.. There would be old women at the stores at 5 am ( 2 hours before they opened ) just so they could buy a small piece of sausage.. I know my mother once told me how she was sent there with her brother to buy some food.. The old women would be even cutting in line and so on. Thankfully for a long period my grandfather, worked in a .. ( Damnzorz English!! ) Butcher house.. So they had no problems with food untill that job was lost.. Yes there was limitation to 'freedom' but it isnt realy much different in today's world. And where has Communism, fascism or nazism gone? Where has Slavery dissappeard too? All of those things are still here.. Just not as massively, but they are still here. Life was to have connections. But mostly everyone lived out some way there were very useful programms. Which DO NOT exist in almost any country anymore.

Also Phantom I have noticed youve tried to piss me off, and its worked well. So please dont act all innocent only an idiot would belive that you are realy trying to be nice.

[Phantom]

Ohh I stopped reading at Soviet Dictatorship now this is what I like the most you Americans talk about Communism and how bad it was.. Were you here? Was your family sent to Siberia? Was your property taken for 'the greater good' ? I dont think so all youve seen is some brainwashing movies and lectures from a few teachers so let me tell you how it was here..

In alot of ways it was BETTER. Much better. Everyone had atleast some kind of a job. Yes I admit there was nothing to buy with your money but barely anyone made more money than the rest. Only the politicians had acces to the 'rare goods' also you had limits on how much you could buy something like from a 50 cm sausage you could buy max 20 cm.. There would be old women at the stores at 5 am ( 2 hours before they opened ) just so they could buy a small piece of sausage.. I know my mother once told me how she was sent there with her brother to buy some food.. The old women would be even cutting in line and so on. Thankfully for a long period my grandfather, worked in a .. ( Damnzorz English!! ) Butcher house.. So they had no problems with food untill that job was lost.. Yes there was limitation to 'freedom' but it isnt realy much different in today's world. And where has Communism, fascism or nazism gone? Where has Slavery dissappeard too? All of those things are still here.. Just not as massively, but they are still here. Life was to have connections. But mostly everyone lived out some way there were very useful programms. Which DO NOT exist in almost any country anymore.

Also Phantom I have noticed youve tried to piss me off, and its worked well. So please dont act all innocent only an idiot would belive that you are realy trying to be nice.Please read my whole post, it makes some very good points. I love how you talk about how Americans are so brainwashed, it really makes you look superior
:rolleyes: it also insults more than half the members on this forum. What a stupid thing to say Hyper please show some more respect you know NOTHING about Americans nothing at all.
As I see most of your paragraph is how good communism is, we shall discuss that at a later time. Even if you like waiting in line for 5 hours to get some food and living in a 1 room apartment with your family I know you wouldn't like living under a dictatorship now would you.
Communism, fascism, Nazism and slavery still exist your right but still does smallpox (you might not know about that because your not from US)
The numbers are not even worth mentioning.
Communism fell after we beat soviet Russia in the cold war. Nazism and fascism fell after we and others beat Nazi Germany in ww2. And slavery fell after the civil war.
I am sorry if you think my post was meant to insult you it wasnt.
But think what you will I know you have flamed me much much more.

[Hyper]

Ok I read it.. Tell me realy in the overall point how will destroying Al Queda change anything.. Just cause more hate and give more oppurtunities for the radicalists to recruit more. Also yes that is very nice in some ways Communism was better in some ways not. I wouldnt be here posting over the net if it was still communism but alot of things would be better in my life. And I will not continue to litteraly **** around with you on the 9/11

[Phantom]

Ok I read it.. Tell me realy in the overall point how will destroying Al Queda change anything.. Just cause more hate and give more oppurtunities for the radicalists to recruit more. Also yes that is very nice in some ways Communism was better in some ways not. I wouldnt be here posting over the net if it was still communism but alot of things would be better in my life. And I will not continue to litteraly **** around with you on the 9/11Well the whole faking 9/11 thing has already been proven wrong.
If you don't know how destroying al queda will change anything I don't even think its worth my time to try and explain it to you.
You seem to not understand the meaning of terror.
What do you think YOUR country would do if these people killed 3000 of your innocent people in an attack. Numerous ones before that that also killed hundreds. You seem to not be able to understand that.
What is it with you people its like your back wards.
Would YOUR country just sit back and just wait to be attacked again?
Its just mind numbing really Hyper that you could possibly think how you do.
Please explain it to me.

[cmpcmp]

Are you saying that you admit that 9/11 wasn't staged, or are you saying that you are now refusing questions about? Both?

Ok I read it.. Tell me realy in the overall point how will destroying Al Queda change anything.. Just cause more hate and give more oppurtunities for the radicalists to recruit more. Also yes that is very nice in some ways Communism was better in some ways not. I wouldnt be here posting over the net if it was still communism but alot of things would be better in my life. And I will not continue to litteraly **** around with you on the 9/11

I don't understand who communism would have been beter, because u admit that you wouldn't have been able to be posting here.

One the point of radicals, should we just give up and say "i hope they stop some time"? that doesn't make sense. Plus its about toppling the tyrany and dictatorship that they live under. if there weren't people teaching them that things that they are learning then they wouldn't know i, and wouldn't be radicals.



Plus its abp

[Hyper]

Omg Phantom.. Realy learn to read.. And cmpcmp I would expect better from you..


No Phantom nothing was proven only in your own head


And no this does not mean I 'admit' that 9/11 wasn't a staged, and using the word admit is very wrong..

I will simply no longer bother to post anything seeing as Phantom will just attack me say ,, You loose this debate! '' and ,, Your utterly owned! '' ( Which shows great levels of maturity )

Now tell me how dont you see what I mean.. About the destruction of Al Queda in my post.. Well let me explain it to you then.. If you go there kill/torture I dont exactly know how many men.. Well the point is they have children and those children will remember it, they will be more determined and overall the more you kill and kill and kill the more they gain and gain and gain.

And I don't understand are you unable to read also cmpcmp? Or are you just so quick to side with Phantom?


I sayd alot of things would be better and alot would be worse. In overall I would give up the comp rather than a warm home

[Phantom]

Omg Phantom.. Realy learn to read.. And cmpcmp I would expect better from you..


No Phantom nothing was proven only in your own head


And no this does not mean I 'admit' that 9/11 wasn't a staged, and using the word admit is very wrong..

I will simply no longer bother to post anything seeing as Phantom will just attack me say ,, You loose this debate! '' and ,, Your utterly owned! '' ( Which shows great levels of maturity )

Now tell me how dont you see what I mean.. About the destruction of Al Queda in my post.. Well let me explain it to you then.. If you go there kill/torture I dont exactly know how many men.. Well the point is they have children and those children will remember it, they will be more determined and overall the more you kill and kill and kill the more they gain and gain and gain.

And I don't understand are you unable to read also cmpcmp? Or are you just so quick to side with Phantom?


I sayd alot of things would be better and alot would be worse. In overall I would give up the comp rather than a warm homeI am not even bother showing you 9/11 conspiracy debunk crap anymore your just to stuborn and ignorant to accept it. I think you are in
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: Denial is a defense mechanism in which a person is faced with a fact that is painful to accept rejects it instead, insisting that it is not true despite what may be overwhelming evidence. The subject may deny the reality of the unpleasant fact altogether (simple denial), The theory of denial was first researched seriously by Anna Freud. She classified denial as a mechanism of the immature mind, because it conflicts with the ability to learn from and cope with reality.

I don't think you are worth educating on how destroying al quida will help.

No Phantom nothing was proven only in your own head

You are in serious denial. I think you might need to see a phycologist to get these issues worked out


I will simply no longer bother to post anything seeing as Phantom will just attack me say ,, You loose this debate! '' and ,, Your utterly owned! '' ( Which shows great levels of maturity )

O yes I am just a vicous flaming machine :rolleyes:
If you consider ^those flames you would be banned 10 times over.
Don't make me bring up some of you immature flames from earlier.


All in all Hyper you are getting so desperate in this debate its not even funny.

[Hyper]

Please stop.. You are just desperate yourself your tactic is putting people down.

[Phantom]

Please stop.. You are just desperate yourself your tactic is putting people down.Please look in a mirror.
Allow me to bring up some nice posts from you.
I am trying to debate nicely but when you come in here and start calling me a dumb american or brainwashed american or ego manical ignorant person.
I am not even flaming back.

Here

No Phantom nothing was proven only in your own head

Omg Phantom.. Realy learn to read..

like the most you Americans talk about Communism and how bad it was

all youve seen is some brainwashing movies and lectures from a few teachers

Ok kid.. Yes I will call you kid even though your older than me by age your surtenly maybe 2 decades behind by mind..

You are one of the most ignorant, ego maniac people I have ever met.

Only in your mind Phantom

Damn thats a fine example of Phantoms thinking, read it everyone

Now child let me explain

goodnight you brainwashed american

Is this good enough or shall I find more?
Hyper act your age and stop the flaming.
I am trying to make the debate forum better by getting everyone to stop flaming.... aparently its not working.

[Hyper]

Please read what you posted before I sayd those things.

[Phantom]

Hyper lets get back on topic enough with this infantile squabbling.
Ok so I am waiting for you to provide evidence that 9/11 was staged.
cmpcmp and I have provided concrete evidence that it was not.
Your turn.
Or do you admit that you are wrong?

[*Dissident*]

You can not defeat an Idea. The Terrorists are just men, they are mortal, killable, they can be destroyed. But, under their ski masks and hoods, under their jackets and masks, Lies and Idea. And Ideas cannot be defeated. The people who are afraid of the American Liborators, who once were friends and allies with the "terrorists", countrymen, "patriots", they will see this idea. they will understand this idea, they will continue this idea. and they will not be defeated.

[cmpcmp]

ok stop the flaming (both of you) or near flaming or w/e it is.

Hyper, I don't think that communism belongs in this thread as there are two others already on this forum for it.

If you still refuse to belive what 9/11 was caused by please post some kind of evidence/and argument that can actualy be discussed. just saying that it was a conspiracy and not being able to provide any evidence (in the free society that we live in (actualy i don't know where you live...))

Please post some kind of factual argument so that it can be discussd very specificly.

[Phantom]

You can not defeat an Idea. The Terrorists are just men, they are mortal, killable, they can be destroyed. But, under their ski masks and hoods, under their jackets and masks, Lies and Idea. And Ideas cannot be defeated. The people who are afraid of the American Liborators, who once were friends and allies with the "terrorists", countrymen, "patriots", they will see this idea. they will understand this idea, they will continue this idea. and they will not be defeated.Thats nice.
I would never call you an american. You are the equvilent of people who would spit on the vietnam vets when they came home.
Saying that we can never defeat the terrorists.
Let me tell you somthing terrorists are not "patriots" or whatever the fuck you want to call them, they don't represent the people of a country.
Fun fact most arabs hate terrorists, thats why they fight with us to kill them.
Let me tell you somthing terrorists can be defeated. You wussy liberals said the SAME exact f*cking thing about the soviets well guess what we beat them. You said the SAME exact f*cking thing about Nazis guess what we beat them.
We the US will never be defeated as long as we have the will to fight, which people like you have none of.
The terrorists will be defeated when they have no place to hide, no country will take them in, we will destroy their organizations kill their leaders as we have done with al quida.
I respect your opinions but I am sorry to say you are wrong.

[*Dissident*]

we can wipe out the terrorists. we will decimate their bodies. but Terrorism will never be defeated. it is an idea. you cannot shoot an idea. you cannot detain and torture and idea for information about where the other ideas are hiding, you cannot look at an idea, or bomb it, or hear it, or smell it, ideas are unbreakable. We have waged a war that will not end. We can kill the terrorists, we can destroy alqueda, and the taliban, and "liberate" iraq, but terrorism will always be there.

[Phantom]

we can wipe out the terrorists. we will decimate their bodies. but Terrorism will never be defeated. it is an idea. you cannot shoot an idea. you cannot detain and torture and idea for information about where the other ideas are hiding, you cannot look at an idea, or bomb it, or hear it, or smell it, ideas are unbreakable. We have waged a war that will not end. We can kill the terrorists, we can destroy alqueda, and the taliban, and "liberate" iraq, but terrorism will always be their.Nazism and communism are both "ideas" we did a pretty good job of destroying them.
*Dissident* please read my quote in my sig.

[*Dissident*]

Terrorism and Nazism are two different things. Nazism is a state of mind, an actual idea, while terrorism is an act, a metaphorical idea. Some one, somewhere, will be a terrorist. and we are powerless to stop this person from becoming one. And communism is still alive in 4 nations, all in asia, i believe.

[Phantom]

Terrorism and Nazism are two different things. Nazism is a state of mind, an actual idea, while terrorism is an act, a metaphorical idea. Some one, somewhere, will be a terrorist. and we are powerless to stop this person from becoming one. And communism is still alive in 4 nations, all in asia, i believe.Don't try to make them seem different they are not. Nazism and Terrorist are both IDEAS they are alot alike.
If you take the definition of Fascism and change some words to present tense it describes Radical Islam PERFECTLY.

Some one, somewhere, will be a Nazi/Fascist. and we are powerless to stop this person from becoming one.
See ^

[*Dissident*]

ok...nazism and terrorism are different. Nazism is a state of mind. you dont really have to commit genocide to be a nazi. But terrorism is a willful act. I can't just say i am a terrorist and i bleive the same as terrorists do, because terrorism isnt an ideal. Terrorism isnt a state of mind. I have to kill someone to be a terrorist, I have to inspire terror. Nazism is an ideal. Terrorism is not.

[Phantom]

ok...nazism and terrorism are different. Nazism is a state of mind. you dont really have to commit genocide to be a nazi. But terrorism is a willful act. I can't just say i am a terrorist and i bleive the same as terrorists do, because terrorism isnt an ideal. Terrorism isnt a state of mind. I have to kill someone to be a terrorist, I have to inspire terror. Nazism is an ideal. Terrorism is not.*sigh*
I'm not even going to bother.

[*Dissident*]

why not? please, oh wise Brandon, educate me.

[*Dissident*]

and, by the way...do you really "love yaoi"? because i know people who do, and if you are making fun of them...

[Phantom]

why not? please, oh wise Brandon, educate me.Fine.
Like I said if you take MOST of the ideology from Nazism it describes radical Islam VERY good.
Allow me to dig out some crap from wilkipedia.
Why is it that liberals are the only ones that say we can't beat terrorists.
I mean they are ragheads with aks FFS.
And guess what Liberals said we couldn't beat Nazis or Communism, They were wrong both times.
Nazism referring to Germany, Communism referring to Soviet Russia

and, by the way...do you really "love yaoi"? because i know people who do, and if you are making fun of them...That was the first ytmnd I made.
I think its funny, its rated like 3 stars I think on the site so its ok.

[*Dissident*]

There will always be people who hate the US. some of them might become terrorists. Terrorism isnt a countrey, its not a race, it is not finite, or numerable, or a population. People can become terrorists no matter where they are who they are. You cant just march into the middle east, kill the alqueda, and say you have defeated terrorism. there will always be more. You cant kill what cant die. Terrorism isnt a country, that can surrender, and, By the Way, we didnt defeat the soviet union. There was no battle, not even a war....they just fell. and Nazism and Facism and Communism are forms of government...is terrorism a form of government? So, the insurgents seem like nazis. so does that mean we killed all the nazis? i guess not. Terrorism is a spontaneous thing, it has no body, no head of state, no borders. It reaches across racial and ethnical amd laguage barriers. It cab surface anywhere, and we cant stop it from happening.

[Phantom]

There will always be people who hate the US. some of them might become terrorists. Terrorism isnt a countrey, its not a race, it is not finite, or numerable, or a population. People can become terrorists no matter where they are who they are. You cant just march into the middle east, kill the alqueda, and say you have defeated terrorism. there will always be more. You cant kill what cant die. Terrorism isnt a country, that can surrender, and, By the Way, we didnt defeat the soviet union. There was no battle, not even a war....they just fell. and Nazism and Facism and Communism are forms of government...is terrorism a form of government? So, the insurgents seem like nazis. so does that mean we killed all the nazis? i guess not. Terrorism is a spontaneous thing, it has no body, no head of state, no borders. It reaches across racial and ethnical amd laguage barriers. It cab surface anywhere, and we cant stop it from happening.Nazis are still around but they have ZERO power, Case closed.
We beat the soviet union by beating them in the arms race and their economy crumbled.
You sure sound like a strong American *dissident* saying that are enemy's can't be defeated and we can't stop them from killing us.
I mean even if we can't kill them all what are we supposed to do!
Just sit there like baby's and beg not to get our throats slit by some fucking raghead with an ak.
Liberals......all the criticism in the world but not one solution.

[*Dissident*]

Nazis are still around but they have ZERO power, Case closed.
We beat the soviet union by beating them in the arms race and their economy crumbled.
You sure sound like a strong American *dissident* saying that are enemy's can't be defeated and we can't stop them from killing us.
I mean even if we can't kill them all what are we supposed to do!
Just sit there like baby's and beg not to get our throats slit by some fucking raghead with an ak.
Liberals......all the criticism in the world but not one solution.

Maybe I dont want to be an american? as Tim O'Brien puts it, “I’d be screaming at them, telling them how much I detested their blind, thoughtless, automatic acquiescence to it all, their simpleminded patriotism, their prideful ignorance, their love-it-or-leave-it platitudes, how they were sending me off to fight a war they didn’t understand and didn’t want to understand”

I think, that instead of trying fruitlessly and futily to destroy Terrorism, we prepare ourselves for the worst, Public Education programs for disaster preparedness, safer buildings, and, lets not make them hate us so much, because we have done a lot to make them hate us, like invading their countries, killing them, etc.

[Phantom]

Maybe I dont want to be an american? as Tim O'Brien puts it,

I think, that instead of trying fruitlessly and futily to destroy Terrorism, we prepare ourselves for the worst, Public Education programs for disaster preparedness, safer buildings, and, lets not make them hate us so much, because we have done a lot to make them hate us, like invading their countries, killing them, etc.Ok no offense but I laughed so hard!
You are basicly saying we should let them come to us kill us and hope that it isnt yourself that gets blow up.
I don't know about you but I would rather be fighing on their territory killing them and keeping them off american soil.

[*Dissident*]

then i guess we just disagree on that

[Phantom]

then i guess we just disagree on thatFine with me. :)
You are entitled to your beliefs and I respect them. :)
You are accualy the only liberal I kinda like on these forums.

[*Dissident*]

whys that

[Phantom]

whys thatBecause you have a diffent kind of thinking with war and all that.
You go about debates better instead of like popo where the only thing he realy does is come in a topic call me a facist.
You keep things civil....most of the time.
Accept facts unlike Hyper with the 9/11 thing.
Your points make some sense too. :)

[cmpcmp]

we have done a lot to make them hate us, like invading their countries, killing them, etc.
OK, you are talking about two differen't things here.

-They bomb us (with airliners) or try and blow us up with boats (uss cole?, kole?) and barak bombing. To STOP THEM we invade.

IT ISN"T THE OTHER WAY AROUND

ur logic doesn't make sense.
its like saying if some beats you up, then you shouldn't try and get them arrested cuz that would only make them more angry. Instead we should avoid them and invest in a suit of plate mail, and hope that they never buy a gun (NUKE.. hint hint)

[Hyper]

Because you have a diffent kind of thinking with war and all that.
You go about debates better instead of like popo where the only thing he realy does is come in a topic call me a facist.
You keep things civil....most of the time.
Accept facts unlike Hyper with the 9/11 thing.
Your points make some sense too. :)

I will respond to this as Brandon does..

,, Flaming!!! ''

Now your facts are facts to you not to me. As my common sense is 'idiocity' to you.


Now btw I am not very sure you beat Russia in the arms race.. They had what 6000 nukes? Also those uncrackable encryption codes on ALL US military messages were all readable by the Soviet Union because they had spies.


But thats a different story, the union is still there just in a more pleasant mask.


And cmpcmp how is the US stopping terrorism from attacking them by invading Iraq? Arent they actouly increasing the threat of getting attacked?

[Phantom]

I will respond to this as Brandon does..

,, Flaming!!! ''

Now your facts are facts to you not to me. As my common sense is 'idiocity' to you.


Now btw I am not very sure you beat Russia in the arms race.. They had what 6000 nukes? Also those uncrackable encryption codes on ALL US military messages were all readable by the Soviet Union because they had spies.


But thats a different story, the union is still there just in a more pleasant mask.


And cmpcmp how is the US stopping terrorism from attacking them by invading Iraq? Arent they actouly increasing the threat of getting attacked?You have nothing better to do than say I flame. Which of course I don't do.
Ok well I guess that hyper is in From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: Denial is a defense mechanism in which a person is faced with a fact that is painful to accept rejects it instead, insisting that it is not true despite what may be overwhelming evidence. The subject may deny the reality of the unpleasant fact altogether (simple denial), The theory of denial was first researched seriously by Anna Freud. She classified denial as a mechanism of the immature mind, because it conflicts with the ability to learn from and cope with reality.

So I will have to source commonly know facts.
No idioticy to me is you beliving in 9/11 theorys.
As much as you would like to think the soviet union just magicly fell is not true. US beat them in the cold war by destroying their economy.
Allow me to find some history on that.
I will answer cmpcmp's question for you Hyper.
First some videos.
http://www.youtube.com/p.swf?video_id=ct21jlGd4sA&eurl=http%3A//www.virtualteen.org/forums/showthread.php%3Fp%3D108966%26posted%3D1%23post108966&iurl=http%3A//sjl-static16.sjl.youtube.com/vi/ct21jlGd4sA/2.jpg&t=OEgsToPDskK-iI_v89teSSLYiVfMsrO3&autoplay=

I know this lady thinks it was a good idea.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4LqIG1PrK6g

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OHAeKGsNXKg

Ok now for the written part.
Wmd's. Now I am sure your gonna be like "BUSH LIZORSZZZ"
Yep bush had false info.......................along with the house, senate, clinton administration, all the liberals, and about 10 other countrys.
Next Free the people establish a democracy in the middle of middle east.
3. Black hole for terrorists. Instead of terrorists getting airline tickets to US they come to Iraq and get killed by our troops.
4. This is the main one. ENFORCE UN RESOLUTIONS.
I am sure you have turned a blind eye to HISTORY like most liberals do so let me explain.
1981. Saddam has NUCLEAR enrichment programs going.
Israelis come in destroy them......TWICE.
Later Saddam launches over 100 scud missles into israel killing many people over 100 children.
And as you know uses bio weapons on his own people and Iranian, Kurds, and Kuwait.
First gulf war we push him out of kuwait.
Now all you liberals are getting pissed that we didnt finish the job then against UN wishes.
Now Bush 2 comes in to ENFORCE UN resolutions and take out wmds.
Now you get pissed. UN is to pussy to enforce UN resolutions so the US like usual has to bear the burden.
Now I know all you liberals would be in HUGE protests if saddam did get a nukes or wmds (he could have he had the factorys to make them)
And blow away Israel and killed 16 MILLION PEOPLE.
Well I have explained it rather well I think.
I would like to see you debunk each and every one of my points Hyper instead of just preying on the easier parts of my post.

[Hyper]

3.. Why would they come to Iraq to get killed?

4. History does not repeat itself and yes in some ways you shouldve gone their but in the way it was done it made things worse

[Phantom]

3.. Why would they come to Iraq to get killed?

4. History does not repeat itself and yes in some ways you shouldve gone their but in the way it was done it made things worse
See you just ignore the rest of my post but whatever.
I think you got the quote wrong History DOES repeat itself.
Hyper everybody rep and dem alike thinks the war could have been fought better.
Iraq was definatly a GOOD thing to do.
But was it the best? With NK and Iran looming on the horizon.
See I question Iraq instead of feeding off bush speaks like some members on this forums would like to believe.

[Hyper]

History does not repeat itself 100% accurately

[Phantom]

Close enough.

[cmpcmp]

history does repeat itself, but not exactly, but yes close enough.

-napoleon goes to russia
-hitler goes to russia
they are both defeated by the winter on nearly the same day of the year...
read it learn it. History repeats. So don't start a land war in Asia, or russia...
3.. Why would they come to Iraq to get killed?
because they beleive that they will go to hevean and have 70 virgins, and such

4. History does not repeat itself and yes in some ways you shouldve gone their but in the way it was done it made things worse
In the way it was done? an invasion is an invasion. Sadaam didn't find Jesus or anthing remotely like that since the first gulfwar, there was only more opression. The best way to do it would have been to have ALL of the UN member states to stick to the resolution that they passed and to have gone in like that. Unfortunately they didn't want to do it so we did.

whats the worst messgae to sent to opressive dictators? it is that we wont stop you cuz were scared. this only motivates them to have more military and not worry about the future conciquences.
If all the dictators around the world knew that....
Opression = Tomahawk missile blowing up your car, if not life in prison/death after trial, then there would be a lot less dictators for 2 reasons
1. they would be dead
2. no one would want to be a dictator

The "Pussiness" of the UN has wronged the innocent with inaction too many times to trust them at all. It is the climated created by them that enable things like Rwanda and Sudan and Iraq and North Korea and all of the other opressive states around the world to exist.

[cmpcmp]

o, ppl attack US troops in Iraq cuz they grewup like this....
(you have to click the thing, but there isn't actualy any gore or stuff like that)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gZEuzjXZBAU

[Hyper]

Hmm the reason UN is pussy well think about it for example.. US attacks Korea what would happen? Possible WW3 if you think with your emotions and attack everything then it will be fullout war and noone realy wants war.. Well if their sane people..

[Phantom]

Hmm the reason UN is pussy well think about it for example.. US attacks Korea what would happen? Possible WW3 if you think with your emotions and attack everything then it will be fullout war and noone realy wants war.. Well if their sane people..It would be ww3 if we DIDN'T attack NK.
UN is pussy no buts.
They are suppost to keep peace and promote the welfare of all people.....
yet like usualy they never do ANYTHING EVER they just let us americans bear the burden like usual.