Do women deserve to be raped?

[The Joker]

I'll admit, this isn't an original idea of mine, but I saw this on another forum.

Here's some copypasta for you:

My personal view is that no one ever deserves to be raped, so let me make that clear.

However, I was having this argument with my friend, who seemed to think that there is nothing a woman could do to prevent such a horrific crime. I stated that drinking silly amounts of alcohol, dressed in next to nothing, often in an unfamiliar environment are perhaps not the best steps to take to deter possible attackers.

So although they do not deserve to be the victim of sexual assaults, they are perhaps foolish in their actions. The way I'd like to illustrate it is that if you leave your front door wide open, and you are burgled, you do not DESERVE to have been burgled, but could perhaps have taken adequate measures to avoid it.

I know I can sometimes be a cantankerous sod on these pages, which is why I would like to point out that I feel very strongly about such crimes. So my question is, should women be more sensible and pro-active and not let themselves be placed in such a vulnerable position?

Discuss.

[The Dark Lord]

it's actually a very interesting, if contraversial point. If women are stupid enough to get excessively drunk and aren't fully concentrating, then they are putting themselves in unneccessary danger, so I guess I agree with the OP

[Jess]

some may be stupid enough to get drunk or whatever, but it's never their fault

[Azunite]

???
Woman doesn't have to be always drunk what are you guys talking about ?
The woman is walking on the street, night time, a guy approaches from back and drags her to a corner and rapes...

[The Dark Lord]

???
Woman doesn't have to be always drunk what are you guys talking about ?
The woman is walking on the street, night time, a guy approaches from back and drags her to a corner and rapes...

Okay, even if the women isn't drunk, simply things such as not walking around alone in a quiet area, carrying protection/something to cry for help would lower the chances of being raped. If your naive and arrogant then you take your life out of your own hands

[huginnmuninn]

there are always ways to reduce the chances of being raped. If you want to go all out buy a chastity belt or something

[dead]

Personally I think this whole thread is stupid, but I will give my views. There are definitely ways to reduce the chances of events like this happening.

[The Dark Lord]

Personally I think this whole thread is stupid, but I will give my views. There are definitely ways to reduce the chances of events like this happening.

How is this thread stupid?

[Amnesiac]

Interesting point, but that doesn't change the fact that it's not really possible to coerce people into raping someone. Even if they're dressed all slutty. In the end, it's the perpetrator's actions that count, not the woman's.

[Hatsune Miku]

Women get raped even when they're not drunk. Therefor they don't deserve it.

But, if a women is so drunk to the point where shes a perfect target for rape, theoretically it never even happened, because being drunk to that extent would leave the victims memory blank, not even remembering that she was raped. ( Unless of course, she ends up pregnant ) But of course, if you're that drunk I'm pretty sure they would be willing to have sex, but really it's just the alcohol. So it's actually forced sex, or rape, because the don't want sex, but they want sex.

I don't know. It takes alot of going in to. So I'm gonna stop here and go with no, they do not deserve to be raped.

[ShyGuyInChicago]

It is not a woman's responsibility to prevent herself from being raped. That is the responsibility of people who could rape her.

[The Ninja]

Okay, even if the women isn't drunk, simply things such as not walking around alone in a quiet area, carrying protection/something to cry for help would lower the chances of being raped. If your naive and arrogant then you take your life out of your own hands

The woman has a right to be "naive andarrogant" but no one has the right to rape a woman (or a man). I'm pretty sure the wouldnt be able to scream for help the rapist most likely gagged her in some way or they're in a low populated area.

there are always ways to reduce the chances of being raped. If you want to go all out buy a chastity belt or something

not sure whether I should laugh or take you seriously.



But, if a women is so drunk to the point where shes a perfect target for rape, theoretically it never even happened, because being drunk to that extent would leave the victims memory blank, not even remembering that she was raped. ( Unless of course, she ends up pregnant ).

kinda made me think of mary, wonder why.

[Daniel_]

Well I personally have a close friend who I know and has been raped once in the past, and she tells me what it has done to her.

And also, she has NEVER even sipped alcohol before, and even the mere thought that someone believes that ANYONE deserves to be raped is just sickening.

Sure, people don't always make the right choices, but seriously, deserved to get raped?

Grow a heart.

[Suicune]

Nobody deserves to be raped, nobody needs to get raped. If a woman is out at night, she should probably go with friends...and invest in an anti-rape condom.
Nobody should think about raping somebody either, it's just sick.
Find ways to be proactive...and help yourself with your urges if you need it.
It can be equally sided imo.

[ShyGuyInChicago]

To add to what I said earlier, I think when it comes to preventing rape there has to be more focus on potential perpetrators rather than potential victims.

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How is this thread stupid?
Not that great of information being passed around in this thread and I dont see any 'good' or 'real' debate in this thread.
Female Sex Offenders

Sexual abuse has traditionally been seen as a crime perpetrated by men. To eliminate this possibility, all of the instances chosen for these pages are cases where women are clearly acting entirely on their own. In those instances where a male is involved, it is in every case with an unwilling or obviously underage male.

There is no "evil man in the background" urging these women to engage in sexual abuse. In every case accepted for inclusion in this section, all evidence indicates that the women are acting on their own initiative.

There have been many explanations offered for the startling rise in the proportion of sex crimes committed by women. These include:

zealous prosecution of sex crimes that went unpunished in earlier times
false accusations by spouses who want custody of children
a change in the behavior of women
In recent years there has been a redefinition of abuse, as well. As some of the stories in this section illustrate, the child abuse industry is now so powerful that a woman who tries to report a rape faces the risk of being charged with rape herself if her attacker turns out to be under the legal age of consent.

[steve1234]

First of all, I don't think this thread is stupid, as that is the whole point of Ramblings of the Wise..to discuss all sorts of things, see everyones opinions and debate.

It DEFINATLY isn't the woman's fault if they are raped, and they certainly don't deserve it.
BUT, it doesn't really help if the victim dresses in provocative clothing and allows themselves to get drunk. People should be sensible when going out, and when walking at night alone, you should make sure people know that you are out alone, and carry something like rape spray just in case.
The UK is the 'binge drinking capital' of Europe, so if you go to most town centres in the UK, you can often see SOME women walking around pissed out of their skulls with their knickers around their ankles, for example. In situations like these, I can't help thinking how 'easy' it would be for them to raped by someone. Thats a terrible thought I know, but it can certainly attract the attention of a potential rapist.

Also, men get raped as well (of course, not as common as women), so men should be careful as well. Also, its not just about rape. If you get drunk, then you also an easy target to be mugged and stuff like that.

[Hatsune Miku]

kinda made me think of mary, wonder why.

Who?

[Continuum]

Who?

Mary, the girl shepherd? Who got raped by her lamb?

The problem is, the thought of rape by the offender. It's not the woman's fault that her offender thought of raping her, and neither she can't prevent it if she's excessively drunk and hazy, or just plain oblivious to certain advances. Unless she knows that she is going to get raped, which is very unlikely, she could take precautionary measures and tell the authorities.

[The Dark Lord]

The woman has a right to be "naive andarrogant" but no one has the right to rape a woman (or a man). I'm pretty sure the wouldnt be able to scream for help the rapist most likely gagged her in some way or they're in a low populated area.

No, you can't be so arrogant to avoid taking basic precautions against rapists, that's simply common sense. The basic things to do are don't go out late at night in low populated areas allow and don't draw the rapists attention by dressing like a whore

Not that great of information being passed around in this thread and I dont see any 'good' or 'real' debate in this thread.

I suggest you look harder

[Mr. Awesome]

I dont believe that anyone DESERVES to be raped, however i do believe that in certain situations some women do bring it on.

My Point: Drunk woman, wearing next to nothing, flirting all night, leading people on to get a free drink, some people do in some terms bring it on, by leading men on.

However i do maintain that no one EVER deserves to be raped.

[The Ninja]

Who?

It was a religion joke kinda ad though considering im christian. :/


No, you can't be so arrogant to avoid taking basic precautions against rapists, that's simply common sense. The basic things to do are don't go out late at night in low populated areas allow and don't draw the rapists attention by dressing like a whore

I suggest you look harder

Well ok I suppose that in some way both are at fault but i'm still sticking with my argument that if a woman wants to go for a late night stroll by herself she has the right to, fully clothed and sober, go out on a late night stroll.

btw you forgot a bracket in your post, really annoying to organistic people who cant stand stuff like that and have to edit other people's quotes so there post doesnt look like shit.

[Jess]

The woman has a right to be "naive andarrogant" but no one has the right to rape a woman (or a man). I'm pretty sure the wouldnt be able to scream for help the rapist most likely gagged her in some way or they're in a low populated area.

No, you can't be so arrogant to avoid taking basic precautions against rapists, that's simply common sense. The basic things to do are don't go out late at night in low populated areas allow and don't draw the rapists attention by dressing like a whore



I suggest you look harder

maybe that's true, but it's never her fault. yes, she should've been more careful, but it's never, ever her fault

[The Dark Lord]

Well ok I suppose that in some way both are at fault but i'm still sticking with my argument that if a woman wants to go for a late night stroll by herself she has the right to, fully clothed and sober, go out on a late night stroll.

This I agree with. If you are sober and fully clothed then these are basic precautions against rape, which I think everyone agrees with

btw you forgot a bracket in your post, really annoying to organistic people who cant stand stuff like that and have to edit other people's quotes so there post doesnt look like shit.

I'm terrible sorry, it must have required momumentous effort to have edited the quote. I'm surprised you had the energy to post after all the editing required.

btw is "organistic" even a word, I couldn't find a defination online

[Sogeking]

No one deserves to be raped. It is'nt even the woman's fault she gets raped, it's her right. However it could have been avoided if she wasn't so careless. The rapist, however is the one at fault for seeking women to prey on in the first place.

[Syvelocin]

Alcohol can add to it.

Know that being drunk, wearing revealing clothing... it isn't always the case in rape victims. Also, it's usually someone that they know. And rape is usually not for sexual gain or pleasure, but for violence and dominance.

This thread upsets me, truthfully.

I never did anything anyone listed. I starved myself, I wore loose, modest clothing. My hair was always back and I never put any makeup on. I never even liked alcohol and I never was a flirt.

I've been raped by three different men, and one has done it multiple times. Two of them are friends of a family member, and the other is my uncle.

It isn't the girl's fault, they don't cause it or help it, and there's certainly no way to avoid it unless you're lucky enough to not be at the wrong place at the wrong time.

[steve1234]

No one deserves to be raped. It is'nt even the woman's fault she gets raped, it's her right. However it could have been avoided if she wasn't so careless. The rapist, however is the one at fault for seeking women to prey on in the first place.

Its her right to get raped?? That seems like a strange thing to say, unless i've got the wrong end of the stick.

I agree with your last point, its definatly the mans fault for preying on women in the first place, but I think some women do give a little encouragement.

Also, remember its not just women, its men who also get raped (but obviously not as common as people raping women).

[ZodiacKiller]

burn in hell; i was...

most of the time there is no reason, no want or anything done by the victim to conjure it. 1 in 4 americans in there life...

trust me

[The Ninja]

This I agree with. If you are sober and fully clothed then these are basic precautions against rape, which I think everyone agrees with

well yeah but if the woman isnt encouraging the man in anyway then its the mans fault for preying on a woman in the first place. this is what ive wanted to say the whole time but couldnt figure out how to word it thing to whoever phrased it this way. Yeah it might be stupid of her to go out at night but would it be just as stupid for her to go out during the day. Not all women get raped at night, im almost positive of that.

I'm terrible sorry, it must have required momumentous effort to have edited the quote. I'm surprised you had the energy to post after all the editing required.

"warning heavy sarcasm maybe present."

btw is "organistic" even a word, I couldn't find a defination online

probably not but you know what i mean.

[The Dark Lord]

well yeah but if the woman isnt encouraging the man in anyway then its the mans fault for preying on a woman in the first place. this is what ive wanted to say the whole time but couldnt figure out how to word it thing to whoever phrased it this way. Yeah it might be stupid of her to go out at night but would it be just as stupid for her to go out during the day. Not all women get raped at night, im almost positive of that

It's considerably less dangerous going out during daylight, then at night. More people can see you so less chance of being dragged away.

[Syvelocin]

I don't know why I even participate in these discussions. My opinions are rarely taken into consideration....

The stereotype that we are representing in this thread is quite false. Most rape incidents don't result from this. I would imagine this happening with these "precautions" not taken when at a club or bar, and the rapist slips date rape drugs into the girl's drink. However, there are so many more cases of rape outside of that particular situation. Again, rape isn't about sex most of the time.

[The Dark Lord]

I don't know why I even participate in these discussions. My opinions are rarely taken into consideration....

The stereotype that we are representing in this thread is quite false. Most rape incidents don't result from this. I would imagine this happening with these "precautions" not taken when at a club or bar, and the rapist slips date rape drugs into the girl's drink. However, there are so many more cases of rape outside of that particular situation. Again, rape isn't about sex most of the time.

Again basic precautions of don't accept drinks from strangers and don't leave your drink unattended. Surely that's just basic common sense?

[Syvelocin]

Again basic precautions of don't accept drinks from strangers and don't leave your drink unattended. Surely that's just basic common sense?

Well, yes, that one is a precaution I would enforce. That one had yet to be mentioned here though.

[The Dark Lord]

Well, yes, that one is a precaution I would enforce. That one had yet to be mentioned here though.

Well its been mentioned now! But you still haven't answered the original question- "Do women deserve to be raped?"

[jovien]

ok nobody should be raped first of all but women shouldnt have to be more proactive to not be in that situation i think the whole fear ofgetting raped might draw u into soemthing u really dont want mabye even get u into a wrong group well thats my view on both parts

[steve1234]

I think women should still be able to accept drinks from strangers, but they should make sure they see the bartender making the drink and gives it directly to the woman (or man!).

[The Dark Lord]

ok nobody should be raped first of all but women shouldnt have to be more proactive to not be in that situation i think the whole fear ofgetting raped might draw u into soemthing u really dont want mabye even get u into a wrong group well thats my view on both parts

Well if someone goes out dressed like a slut, alone and starts taking drinks from strangers, then they have a much greater chance of being raped so of course they should be proactive

[Syvelocin]

Well its been mentioned now! But you still haven't answered the original question- "Do women deserve to be raped?"

Alcohol can add to it.

Know that being drunk, wearing revealing clothing... it isn't always the case in rape victims. Also, it's usually someone that they know. And rape is usually not for sexual gain or pleasure, but for violence and dominance.

This thread upsets me, truthfully.

I never did anything anyone listed. I starved myself, I wore loose, modest clothing. My hair was always back and I never put any makeup on. I never even liked alcohol and I never was a flirt.

I've been raped by three different men, and one has done it multiple times. Two of them are friends of a family member, and the other is my uncle.

It isn't the girl's fault, they don't cause it or help it, and there's certainly no way to avoid it unless you're lucky enough to not be at the wrong place at the wrong time.

I did answer. Like I said, no one seems to read my opinions in this forum :P

[Roger wilson]

no theydont the deserce the best they are to be loved not hurt:yes:

[The Dark Lord]

I did answer. Like I said, no one seems to read my opinions in this forum :P

I stand corrected, sorry.

[ZodiacKiller]

alright... now that ive had time too cool off:

fault implies choice. the whole concept of the word is that there is no choice. This argument is nullified by its definition.

deserving implies that the action derived from some choice of the deserving. That is, if you deserve something good, you did something that would justify it. If you deserve something bad, you did something that would justify it. I don't see how you can justify this in any way, but i will argue anyway.
There is no reason it should be the resposibility of the victim to prevent the crime; if we all lived as such, we would trust nobody we met, we would triple lock every door and window, we would keep guns in our pockets and watch anybody else who did so warily. You do not say that a person who was robbed should have taken more precautions- my mother gets pissed off at me when I lock the doors and set the alarm when I'm home alone because it takes longer to get back in for her. Its unrealistic to suggest that someone shouldn't have been been walking down the street because some insane guy shot them. More applicant to this situation, there is a friend of my mothers whom had her house broken into and was about to be raped by the person who broke in. That is not her fault. Even with your examples of drunkeness, bad neighborhoods, and such, there is no way you can put the woman at fault. Most men can get away with this with no consequences, so its a double standard for one. Moreover, you assume that most occur this way, when in fac, while those are the ones that we hear about, those aren't the most common ones.
This is one of the few crimes where a victim blames themselves (in therapy half the therapists job is convincing a victim they're not at fault). For this reason they will not tell anyone about it- it is hard to talk about- because there is embarassment and guilt associated with it, though there was no choice of it. This is why you only hear of the ones you are asuming occur most commonly.