G W Bush (by popular demand)

[cmpcmp]

If you post say something meaningfull and not some thing like...
[examples]
-OMG BUSH IS AN IDIOT
-BUSH EATS LIITLE BABIEs AND PUPPIES IN A SOUP THAT CONDI MAKES FOR HIM AND CHENY IS THE 1 THAT kills the babies by lauching them off of the clay pigeon laucher and then shooting them out of the sky, and Donald RUMSFELD goes to the pound and gets general casey to shoot the puddies with a 50 calliber gun that he bought with money that he beat with a stick out of the inmates at gitmo that he tortured because he hates america and free speach, BTW BUSH IS FROM MARS AND SHOULD BE SENT BACK AND HE KILLS iraqi children cuz hes trying to kill more innocents than hitler to win a bet with the guy who killed JFK who is related to the guy who killed MLK who would be against BUSH and so would the 4 fathres of america and also JESUS and MOSES (may be mohanad but we was one crazy dude) The popes opinion on the matter doesn't matter cuz hes just anti muslim.
-BUSH=idot
-BUSH=satan
[end fo examples]

sounds like an entertaning graphic novel but......
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If ur going to spout off any "conspiracy" theories like bush planed 9/11, cheny really runs the show, BUSH is controlled by the corperations or any thing like that please provide some kind of evidence.

Be civil and DON"T FLAME.

[Phantom]

LOL!!! Dude you made me laugh so bad by reading all those bush bashings!
Ok well what do I think about bush.
I like
-Strong leader isnt a pussy
-is tough on terrorism
-Is doing good in the middle east
-Evil countrys are now scared shitless at us they dont know if we are going to take them out
-Economy is accualy going up (contrary to popular belief)


What I dont like
-weak on immigraton
-I didnt like the way he tried to connect Iraq to al quida at first
- I didnt like the way the Iraq war was fough (sequre borders ETC)
-I don't like the way he talks lol
-He seems kinda stupid
-Lots of countrys don't like us as much esspecialy europe excluding brittan
-Weak on domestic issues
-Dodged the draft like a pussy
-He is relativly working the whole fear vote thing but not that much

I will post more when I think of them

[Makod]

Bsuh Tspiud!

He Leik, Etas Bibys.

[cmpcmp]

wow makod wait to show how genuine you really are....
Bsuh Tspiud!

He Leik, Etas Bibys.
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-weak on immigraton
-i don't think that hes necesarily weak on imigration, he does have a stance on the issue and has asked for legislation. maybe he should make more speaches about it but...
-He is for fence and a "comprehensive" prgram that will allow earned citizenship is the way ti go. he has said that one can't work with out the other succesfully. (EI fence and bo prgram or viceversa)

-He is relativly working the whole fear vote thing but not that much
-Fear voting ahs been worked cross isle, and by independents since the beigning of polotics, its nothing new, and IF IRan w/ a nuke and N korea with a nuke doesn't scare you and A U.N. With no power other than to starve the ppl and not the dictator doesn't scare you on top of that.... then ur a pretty brave person. (think mushroom cloud over a city near you)

-Lots of countrys don't like us as much esspecialy europe excluding brittan
-Weak on domestic issues
Could you please elaborate?
-why is it that thoes countries don't like us?
-i would argue that domestic issues aren't a HUGE focus since the whole Nuke and terrorism and stuff has happened. Though i personaly think that domestic issues are importiant. It is difficult to discuss them with out knowing which ones u are refering to.

[Makod]

wow makod wait to show how genuine you really are....

ffffpt orly?

Because this thread won't be taken seriously. And if it is it will phale just like every other thread in this section.

[Phantom]

Bsuh Tspiud!

He Leik, Etas Bibys.
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http://img275.imageshack.us/img275/6482/spam1ra9.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

[Phantom]

Makod please don't spam.
I think you don't even know why you hate bush you just kinda go with the whole its cool to hate our president and because you are a liberal and they all hate bush.

[Makod]

um................

http://img275.imageshack.us/img275/6482/spam1ra9.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Stop making unnesecary posts. That is considered spam :O

Also, thanks for keeping your promise in the ceasefire thread for about a total of 24 hours.

Also: You double posted, which is also considered spam :O

Edit: I wasn't planing on posting in this thread again until you 2 start getting all pissy just cause I made a joke.

[Phantom]

Stop making unnesecary posts. That is considered spam :O

Also, thanks for keeping your promise in the ceasefire thread for about a total of 24 hours.

Also: You double posted, which is also considered spam :O??? what are you talking about. I didnt flame you?
Please for the love of god don't tell me that me calling your post spam is considered flaming

[Makod]

I think you don't even know why you hate bush you just kinda go with the whole its cool to hate our president and because you are a liberal and they all hate bush.

It certainly seems like you're implying something there ;)

Edited because I like this smiley better.

[Phantom]

It certainly seems like you're implying something there :)Well maybe I would stop implying stuff if you spoke your mind in this thread and tell us all what you like and dislike about bush :)

[cmpcmp]

makod if you have anything other than the attempt to provoke Phantom (which I think you are doing as ur posts have 0 to do with BUSH)

If u have something meaning full to post, then post it, if not then don't and don't try and get the thread off topic either, Phantom please resist going off topic with him as he is asking for it.

[*Dissident*]

Ok, but I think theories about bush being Cheney's pawn isnt a conspiracy theory

[cmpcmp]

Well maybe I would stop implying stuff if you spoke your mind in this thread and tell us all what you like and dislike about bush
Tu she (if thats how u spell it) and with not even a hint of flame.

Ok, but I think theories about bush being Cheney's pawn isnt a conspiracy theory
please explain and not just assert opinions.

[Phantom]

Ok, but I think theories about bush being Cheney's pawn isnt a conspiracy theoryIt will remain a conspiracy theory intill you prove it :)

[Makod]

Hehe

What I like:
His ties
His horrible jokes
The haircut
His funny made up words
His facial expressions

What I dislike:
Patriot Act
The fact that our debt is still rising
The "War" on "Terror" (No I don't support the terrorists)
Involvement with Israel
Dick Cheney
The fact our economy is going to hell (contrary to popular belief)

Ok, but I think theories about bush being Cheney's pawn isnt a conspiracy theory

No, he's actually advised by a different person, named Carl Rove (sp?)

[Phantom]

Hehe

What I like:
His ties
His horrible jokes
The haircut
His funny made up words
His facial expressions

What I dislike:
Patriot Act
The fact that our debt is still rising
The "War" on "Terror" (No I don't support the terrorists)
Involvement with Israel
Dick Cheney
The fact our economy is going to hell (contrary to popular belief)Thank you for sharing your opinion.
Now I ask for you to look at some econ charts, please explain why you don't like about the war on terror.

[*Dissident*]

Dick Cheney makes all the big decisions, do you really think bush (not to call him stupid) could do all of this himself?

[Makod]

We really haven't made any progress on fighting "Terror" now have we?

And here's the charts along with some nice information ;)

Deteriorating Global Liquidity

By Niels C. Jensen, Partner
Absolute Return Partners LLP

Below we will take a closer look at one of our favourite leading indicators, namely the global liquidity indicator. Global liquidity may be defined in numerous ways. We tend to like the way Merrill Lynch defines it, mostly because it has proven an excellent predictive measure over the years. According to Merrill Lynch, global USD liquidity equals the sum of the U.S. monetary base plus reserves held in custody by the Federal Reserve for foreigners - mostly Asian central banks.

If the U.S. current account deficit grows, as has been the case in recent years, global liquidity would be expected to improve, because the countries having a current account surplus with the United States would be expected to buy U.S government bonds for at least some of the surplus dollars.

This way, the U.S. current account deficit has played an important role in terms of providing stimulus to the global economy in recent years, a fact often ignored by those being so critical of the large deficit.

Chart 1: Global USD Liquidity
http://www.investorsinsight.com/images/otbemail/112105/image002.gif
Source: Merrill Lynch

So let's take a closer look at the global liquidity indicator. As you can see from chart 1, the growth in liquidity has actually decelerated quite sharply in the last 6 months, reflecting several factors.

For a start, the U.S. monetary base itself is experiencing slower growth, which is not at all surprising given the rise in the U.S. Fed Funds rate. At the moment it grows by approximately 3% per annum, substantially less than the nominal growth of the U.S. economy.

Secondly, and perhaps more surprisingly, foreign reserves deposited with the Fed are not growing as fast as the current account situation might otherwise suggest. After all, with the U.S. current account deficit being higher than ever, you would expect foreign reserves to continue to grow rapidly. Why is that not happening? There are several reasons for this, but let's focus on two important ones.

A substantial part of foreign reserves held by the Fed belong to Asian central banks. Virtually all Asian countries are importers of oil. The sharp rise in the price of oil has created a new situation, where the growing U.S. current account deficit is not matched by a corresponding growth in the Asian surplus, simply because they are spending more dollars on their oil purchases, just like we are.

In addition to this, because of the sharp rise in the Fed Funds rate (the cost of money in the U.S.), speculators are borrowing considerably less in U.S. dollars than they used to. This, we believe, is a major contributor to the deceleration of global USD liquidity.

However, since there is little evidence of any meaningful de-leveraging going on in financial markets around the world, it is probably safe to assume that much of the speculative borrowing has simply moved from U.S. dollars to other low cost currencies such as euros and Swiss francs. This may also explain why Euroland is one of few areas in the world where the monetary base continues to grow at a healthy rate -- 10%+ per annum at the latest count.

But back to our main story. We assign much significance to the liquidity indicator, because global USD liquidity has proven so valuable in predicting the trend in financial markets. We can best illustrate this by borrowing a few more charts from Merrill Lynch.

Chart 2a: Global Liquidity v. Commodity Prices
http://www.investorsinsight.com/images/otbemail/112105/image004.gif

Chart 2b: Global Liquidity v. Asian Stock Prices
http://www.investorsinsight.com/images/otbemail/112105/image006.gif

Chart 2c: Global Liquidity v. Credit Spreads
http://www.investorsinsight.com/images/otbemail/112105/image008.gif

Chart 2d: Global Liquidity v. Volatility
http://www.investorsinsight.com/images/otbemail/112105/image010.gif
Source: Merrill Lynch

As you can clearly see from charts 2a through 2d, global USD liquidity is strongly correlated with commodity prices and Asian stock prices and strongly negatively correlated with credit spreads and stock market volatility.

[cmpcmp]

The fact our economy is going to hell (contrary to popular belief)
whats the unemployment rate???? 5% a low back to clinton.

Global Liquidity v. Asian Stock Prices
Chart 2d: Global Liquidity v. Volatility
Now im no economics prfessor, but do u have anything other than global liquidy charts? (which im not really shure what that is)

global USD liquidity equals the sum of the U.S. monetary base plus reserves held in custody by the Federal Reserve for foreigners - mostly Asian central banks.
ASINA CENTERAL BANKS??????
it thought that we were talking about america here, maybe im just confused, please try and use american numbers or genreal world as opposed to just asian.
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facts are, stock market is high, so is tax revenue (which should be used more to cut the deficit and lower the national debt, it is eing used some) unemployment is low, and is about mid clintons last term level.

All provided by the Us labor department.
http://data.bls.gov/PDQ/servlet/SurveyOutputServlet?request_action=wh&graph_name=LN_cpsbref3
Pay roll??? up
http://data.bls.gov/PDQ/servlet/SurveyOutputServlet?request_action=wh&graph_name=CE_cesbref1
Hourly earnings??? gald u asked UP
http://data.bls.gov/PDQ/servlet/SurveyOutputServlet?request_action=wh&graph_name=CE_cesbref3
Productivity??? UP
http://data.bls.gov/PDQ/servlet/SurveyOutputServlet?request_action=wh&graph_name=PR_lprbrief

[Phantom]

We really haven't made any progress on fighting "Terror" now have we?

And here's the charts along with some nice information ;)Hmm thats odd because I read somwhere that the DOP or somthing like that was going up. I shall find charts.
We haven't made any progress fighting the war on terror. Hmm no offense but that is a VERY baseless statment that goes against many facts.
Al quida is on the run, we have killed or captured many of them, their bases are destroyed, the taliban that harbored them is destroyed and routed mostly.
Terrorists are learning that the US is not one to be fucked with.
Eventualy Osama will be killed or die, and I promise you that will affect them more than you think.
I would be willing to type more but we are getting WAY off topic :D

[Makod]

They're talking about the value of the US dollar and how it's gone down recently, and how products have gone up in cost recently.
Hmm thats odd because I read somwhere that the DOP or somthing like that was going up. I shall find charts.
We haven't made any progress fighting the war on terror. Hmm no offense but that is a VERY baseless statment that goes against many facts.
Al quida is on the run, we have killed or captured many of them, their bases are destroyed, the taliban that harbored them is destroyed and routed mostly.
Terrorists are learning that the US is not one to be fucked with.
Eventualy Osama will be killed or die, and I promise you that will affect them more than you think.
I would be willing to type more but we are getting WAY off topic :D

Heh, you do know that this "War" on "terror" is just creating more terrorists and that when you kill their leaders another will take over in its place, ja? Other than that, we got a lot of our "allies" angry at us because of this whole "war."

No, this is not off topic, it is related to the presidency.

[Phantom]

They're talking about the value of the US dollar and how it's gone down recently, and how products have gone up in cost recently.Thats called inflation. Its because we are over printing moeny which is the national banks fault.

[cmpcmp]

They're talking about the value of the US dollar and how it's gone down recently, and how products have gone up in cost recently.
when various other powerfull nations band together, The Countries of Europe, when the US has just reached a tech bubble pop that usualy makes ur currency go down. I agree that the US dollar hasn't been preforming well, but what about the economy in general?

[Makod]

when various other powerfull nations band together, The Countries of Europe, when the US has just reached a tech bubble pop that usualy makes ur currency go down. I agree that the US dollar hasn't been preforming well, but what about the economy in general?

The US economy is reflected by the status of our currency :roll:

[Phantom]

The US economy is reflected by the status of our currency :roll:http://www.federalreserve.gov/BOARDDOCS/SPEECHES/2006/200604132/default.htm

[Makod]

Hmmm... GDP is grand domestic product, which is how much money is brought into the country divided by the capita (population.) So all this really tells me is companies like McDonald's, Microsoft, etc. have been earning more money than usual, which is good for Bill Gates and the such, but not really for the average citizen.

[Phantom]

Hmmm... GDP is grand domestic product, which is how much money is brought into the country divided by the capita (population.) So all this really tells me is companies like McDonald's, Microsoft, etc. have been earning more money than usual, which is good for Bill Gates and the such, but not really for the average citizen."By the end of last year, businesses had added another 2 million jobs to their payrolls, and the unemployment rate had dropped to its lowest level in five years"
When businesses make more moeny they can hire more people and sell things cheaper.
This is what I like about republican strategy.
Lower taxes people have more moeny to buy, and busineses can hire more and sell things cheaper. This has been proven.
The Economy flourishes

ANYWAYS OFF TOPIC!! :P

[Makod]

When buisinesses make money, that means they've gotten a lot of demand for their item(s) which will cause them to raise prices due to demand.

Just because we got another 2 million people working at WalMart does not mean our economy is improving :\.

[Phantom]

When buisinesses make money, that means they've gotten a lot of demand for their item(s) which will cause them to raise prices due to demand.

Just because we got another 2 million people working at WalMart does not mean our economy is improving :\.
Read the artical.
Why do you think walmart has the lowest prices. Because they can afford to sell them low.
Buisnesses dont raise prices when they make moeny because then less people will buy.
When buisinesses make moeny they can afford more may that be more people better products or what.
What do you have to say about the whole unenployment thing being so low. Would you rather get a job somwhere because they are making moeny or not


And I will say again OFF TOPIC lol :D

[Makod]

Read the artical.
Why do you think walmart has the lowest prices. Because they can afford to sell them low.

One word: outsourcing.

This has to do with the economy which has to do with the USA which has to do with Bush...

So umm... yeah we may be getting off topic but who cares :P

[cmpcmp]

Heh, you do know that this "War" on "terror" is just creating more terrorists and that when you kill their leaders another will take over in its place, ja? Other than that, we got a lot of our "allies" angry at us because of this whole "war."
and what do you propose that we do?? stop fighting, or detering ppl that want ot kill us in the most media spectacle of ways.
Your reasoning is a dangerous one IMO as it is to say basicly that we can't win.

IF fighting Hitler created more nazis in germany would you not support that war? The fact is, radical islam is growing were it is already popular moslty, and has also become a fringe organization in first world countries as well.

Tell me where i went wrong with your logic,
There is an angry crowd that is protesting against police brutality, trying to controll them witht the police is a bad idea because it will just prove their point and make them more likely to be angry.

One sided pacifism isn't peace. Nor is it Justice. islam will grow wether we try to stop it or not, but IMO it is much less likely to take hold in a dmocratic Gov w/ free speach and such.

[cmpcmp]

One word: outsourcing.

21 words

The unemployment rate is down, hourly wages are up, and so is productivity, and tax revenue, where did this go down?

[Phantom]

and what do you propose that we do?? stop fighting, or detering ppl that want ot kill us in the most media spectacle of ways.
Your reasoning is a dangerous one IMO as it is to say basicly that we can't win.

IF fighting Hitler created more nazis in germany would you not support that war? The fact is, radical islam is growing were it is already popular moslty, and has also become a fringe organization in first world countries as well.

Tell me where i went wrong with your logic,
There is an angry crowd that is protesting against police brutality, trying to controll them witht the police is a bad idea because it will just prove their point and make them more likely to be angry.

One sided pacifism isn't peace. Nor is it Justice. islam will grow wether we try to stop it or not, but IMO it is much less likely to take hold in a dmocratic Gov w/ free speach and such.QFT. Very well though out post cmpcmp. good job.

One word: outsourcing.

This has to do with the economy which has to do with the USA which has to do with Bush...

So umm... yeah we may be getting off topic but who cares :PSo In your logic its bushes fault for making the economy better and in turn buisneses using the extra moeny to POSSIBLY outsource??? You confuse me greatly:D
Perhaps bush should smash the economy into the ground destroy buisneses to make sure they dont out source :P

[Makod]

and what do you propose that we do?? stop fighting, or detering ppl that want ot kill us in the most media spectacle of ways.
Your reasoning is a dangerous one IMO as it is to say basicly that we can't win.

IF fighting Hitler created more nazis in germany would you not support that war? The fact is, radical islam is growing were it is already popular moslty, and has also become a fringe organization in first world countries as well.

Hmmm... the terrorists are targeting us because we're targeting them, we ignore them and they'll go back to complaining/ranting/fighting about Shi'ites/Sunnis/Judaism, it's not our problem, don't try to make things better or worse.

Nazis are a totally different thing, they weren't specificaly targeting us, they were attacking everyone, they really didn't care who you were, if you weren't like them, you were inferior.

[Phantom]

they aren't specificaly targeting us, they are attacking everyone, they really don't care who you are, if you aren't like them, you are inferior.Right there that describes radical islam PERFECT. All I had to do is change some words to present tense.

Now I know both you and I know very well that terrorists won't stop attacking if we stop.

[Makod]

So In your logic its bushes fault for making the economy better and in turn buisneses using the extra moeny to POSSIBLY outsource??? You confuse me greatly:D

No, they use the money from outsourcing to pay their own pockets, and buy their luxuries, and possibly pay the janitor $5.50 an hour.

Look at just about every piece of hardware, clothing, pottery, toys, etc. What do you see? Made in China, Taiwan, Thailand, Pakistan, etc.

It's Bush's fault for not doing shit about this :)

[Phantom]

No, they use the money from outsourcing to pay their own pockets, and buy their luxuries, and possibly pay the janitor $5.50 an hour.

Look at just about every piece of hardware, clothing, pottery, toys, etc. What do you see? Made in China, Taiwan, Thailand, Pakistan, etc.

It's Bush's fault for not doing shit about this :)SO I suppose its bushes fault for not doing anything which would be considered FACIST. FYI we have a maket economy we can't just tell busnisses what not to do just like that.
I bet clinton sure did alot to stop outsourcing :rolleyes:

[cmpcmp]

Hmmm... the terrorists are targeting us because we're targeting them, we ignore them and they'll go back to complaining/ranting/fighting about Shi'ites/Sunnis/Judaism, it's not our problem, don't try to make things better or worse.

Nazis are a totally different thing, they weren't specificaly targeting us, they were attacking everyone, they really didn't care who you were, if you weren't like them, you were inferior.

radical islam hates all infidels. that means athiests, jews, christians, hidus, and all the rest, they do target others (phantom please reproduce that cool map u had that showed the attacks polted on a world map and post it here that would be great)

Some one who kills 3000 ppl that they didn't know and never talked to or got any background info doesn't care of they are guilty or not, they are infidels and they need some good killin. end of story.

they will kill babies woman children old ppl and all the rest, they don't hate us cuz they dissagree with our stance on foreign policy, they hate us becasue we are infidels. They do prefer to attack the US cuz they belive that we will fold like Spain did, and were are their bigest opponent, and the one who will (with others) go in actualy force change upon them.

[Phantom]

radical islam hates all infidels. that means athiests, jews, christians, hidus, and all the rest, they do target others (phantom please reproduce that cool map u had that showed the attacks polted on a world map and post it here that would be great)

Some one who kills 3000 ppl that they didn't know and never talked to or got any background info doesn't care of they are guilty or not, they are infidels and they need some good killin. end of story.

they will kill babies woman children old ppl and all the rest, they don't hate us cuz they dissagree with our stance on foreign policy, they hate us becasue we are infidels. They do prefer to attack the US cuz they belive that we will fold like Spain did, and were are their bigest opponent, and the one who will (with others) go in actualy force change upon them.Heres a little somthing. http://billroggio.com/flashplayer.php?media=alqaeda&w=640&h=480

I am still trying to find that other map

EDIT* HERE we go! http://img.search.com/1/17/300px-TerroristAttacksAlQaeda.png

[Makod]

The point is Nazis really didn't have anything to base their attacks on, they were just all pissed off about the first WW.

The radical Islamists however do, remember the Crusades? It gave the Middle Eastern world a very wrong impression of the rest of society, that everyone was out to get them, and so far we have supported these opinions :)

The terrorists use our getting involved in the conflicts of the Middle East as a way to convince those of the Middle East who are not radicals, to become radicals.

We are, in short, fueling the fire.


I bet clinton sure did alot to stop outsourcing :rolleyes:

And so did Bush :roll:

What outsourcing does: exploits people of countries with a lesser standerd of living, because they'll work for about 1/5 of what an American will. This takes away from jobs that could be potentialy done by US citizens.

[Phantom]

The point is Nazis really didn't have anything to base their attacks on, they were just all pissed off about the first WW.

The radical Islamists however do, remember the Crusades? It gave the Middle Eastern world a very wrong impression of the rest of society, that everyone was out to get them, and so far we have supported these opinions :)

The terrorists use our getting involved in the conflicts of the Middle East as a way to convince those of the Middle East who are not radicals, to become radicals.

We are, in short, fueling the fire.Ok. PLEASE don't tell me that you accualy believe that muslims are pissed from the crusades OVER 1000 YEARS AGO. Also muslims went on crusades just as big as the christians killing people for allah. No offense but you seem as if you are getting pretty desperate and are just trying to make up excuses. Prove me if I'm wrong on that;)
Nazis have you ever seen Nazi ideology? Allow me to find some nice info for you.
Here you go http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazism

O yeah and well read this http://www.masada2000.org/islam.html Make sure to read the whole thing especialy the qur an verses

[Makod]

Thanks for posting a link to a website with a lot of opinions.

The Crusades started a feeling of hate between us that has lasted for centuries. It is not all the Crusades, there have been conflicts perpetuating these feelings throughout the years. If the Crusades had been the only conflict between the Middle East and the outside world I doubt these feelings would be present.

[cmpcmp]

they don't justify killing us beause of our foreign policy, they do it through their CULT.

Since when did every american thinkt the same aand they all needed to be killed? radical islam isn't rational it is radical

[Phantom]

Thanks for posting a link to a website with a lot of opinions.

The Crusades started a feeling of hate between us that has lasted for centuries. It is not all the Crusades, there have been conflicts perpetuating these feelings throughout the years. If the Crusades had been the only conflict between the Middle East and the outside world I doubt these feelings would be present.No not opinions FACTS well most of it anyways. I suppose non of these are facts.
90%-95% OF ALL THE CONFLICTS ON THIS PLANET TODAY
INVOLVE MUSLIMS FIGHTING NON-MUSLIMS OR EACH OTHER!
There are many trouble spots around the world, but as a general rule, it's easy to make an educated guess at one of the participants: Muslims vs. Jews in "Palestine," Muslims vs. Hindus in Kashmir, Muslims vs. Christians in Africa, Muslims vs. Buddhists in Thailand, Muslims vs. Russians in the Caucasus, etc...

FACT:
1.4 BILLION Muslims in the World
280 Million Americans
5½ Million Israelis Surrounded by 350 Million Arab Muslims!!!

FACT:
OVER THE LAST FIFTY YEARS...
The world population of Christians increased by 47%
The world population of Buddhists increased by 63%
The world population of Muslims increased by 235%
Intermarriage, the Crusades, the Spanish Inquisition, the Nazi Holocaust, pogroms
and over 100 years of unrelenting Arab/Islamic terrorism have taken its toll.
The State of Israel is the Jewish Peoples' last reservoir and stronghold against
the end of a five thousand year history! Sadly, over the last fifty years,
the world Jewish population has DECREASED by 4%

Among every four humans in the world, one of them is Muslim.
Islam is now the second largest religious group in France, Great Britain and USA

The average European couple now has fewer than 1.4 babies, compared to 3.6 babies born to the average Muslim immigrant couple in Europe. Across Western Europe 16 to 20 percent of babies are being born into Muslim families. By 2020 Muslims will account for 10% of the overall population of Europe. Within 20 years, Muslims will be 30% of France - in 30 or 40 years, a majority. In ten years, Muslims will be the majority in Spain and Italy.

What about these koran verses
-Muslims are encouraged to be wholly occupied (Sura 2:273) with fighting for Allah's cause.

- Allah will give "a far richer recompense to those who fight for him" (Sura 4:96).

- Regarding infidels (unbelievers), they are the Muslim's "inveterate enemies" (Sura 4:101). Muslims are to "arrest them, besiege them and lie in ambush everywhere" (Sura 9:5) for them. They are to "seize them and put them to death wherever you find them, kill them wherever you find them, seek out the enemies of Islam relentlessly" (Sura 4:90). "Fight them until Islam reigns supreme" (Sura 2:193). "Cut off their heads, and cut off the tips of their fingers" (Sura 8:12).

- If a Muslim does not go to war, Allah will kill him (Sura 9:39). He is to be told, "the heat of war is fierce, but more fierce is the heat of Hell-fire" (Sura 9:81).

- A Muslim must "fight for the cause of Allah with the devotion due to him" (Sura 22:78)

- Muslims must make war on the infidels (unbelievers) who live around them (Sura 9:123).

- Muslims are to be "ruthless to unbelievers" (Sura 48:29).

- A Muslim should "enjoy the good things" he has gained by fighting (Sura 8:69).

- A Muslim can kill any person he wishes if it be a "just cause" (Sura 6:152).

- Allah loves those who "fight for his cause" (Sura 61:3).
Anyone who fights against Allah or renounces Islam in favor of another religion shall be "put to death or crucified or have their hands and feet cut off alternative sides" (Sura 5:34).

- Whoever changes his Islamic religion, kill him. Sahih Al-Bukhari (9:57)

- Slay the idolaters wherever you find them, and take them captives and besiege them and lie in wait for them in every ambush. (Koran 9:5)

- Take him and fetter him and expose him to hell fire. (Koran 69:30-37)

- I will instill terror into the hearts of the unbelievers, Smite ye above their necks and smite all their finger tips of them. (Koran 8:12)

- They should be murdered or crucified or their hands and their feet should be cut off on opposite sides. (Koran 5:33)

- Know that paradise is under the shades of swords. Sahih al-Bukhari Vol 4 p55

And Speaking of Paradise...

"There will be "gushing fountains" and everyone "shall recline on jeweled couches face to face, and there shall wait on them immortal youths with bowls and ewers and a cup of purest wine." Suras (or chapters) 55 and 56 of the Quran.

"Therein are bashful virgins whom neither man nor jinnee will have touched before ... virgins as fair as corals and rubies," sura 55. A few lines later, you might remind them of "virgins chaste and fair ... they shall recline on green cushions and fine carpets."

"The smallest reward for the people of Paradise is an abode where there are 80,000 servants and 72 wives, over which stands a dome decorated with pearls, aquamarine, and ruby, as wide as the distance from Al-Jabiyyah [a Damascus suburb] to Sana'a.'"

It will be the day, God willing, you spend with the women of paradise...Know that the gardens of paradise are waiting for you in all their beauty, and the women of paradise are waiting, calling out, "Come hither, friend of God."

[Makod]

Nazis have you ever seen Nazi ideology? Allow me to find some nice info for you.
Here you go http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazism

Hahahaha, you have no idea... Germany had to pay for a huge amount of the damages for the first WW, their country had pretty much gone to shit, and their pride had been injured.

They wanted someone they could blame for this, they wanted to restore their pride, so they blamed the Jews, gays, and other minorities. They then proceeded to march out to gain back land, and more, as payment for what had been done.

That is the REAL reasoning behind the Nazi party (sure, there were some who genuinely believed what Hitler said, but not too many.)

Prove me if I'm wrong on that;)

[cmpcmp]

The Crusades started a feeling of hate between us that has lasted for centuries. It is not all the Crusades, there have been conflicts perpetuating these feelings throughout the years. If the Crusades had been the only conflict between the Middle East and the outside world I doubt these feelings would be present.
Im pesonaly disguseted that you continue to search for some kind of logical reasoning for why terrorists would kill inocents for no reason at all other than to incurr fear. I live in seattle and fairly recently there was a shooting by an islamic man at a jewish center, un provoked and he only targeted woman.

IT ISN"T LOGICAL IT IS HATE THAT KNOWS NO BOUNDS OTHER THAN THEIR TWISTED VIEW OF WHAT THEY THEIR RELIGION SAYS. Which alllllllllllllllllllll even slightly moderate muslims will tell u is completely wrong.

[Makod]

It is wrong, did you note that I said that we gave them the wrong idea of other countries?

What they think is WRONG, but we are also partly to blame for this.

If both sides would wise the fuck up maybe there wouldn't be any wars.

[cmpcmp]

That is the REAL reasoning behind the Nazi party (sure, there were some who genuinely believed what Hitler said, but not too many.)

This is a sick distortion of the truth. maybe it was spurred by their debts and their need of a scapegoat, (and yes i knew what ur talking about before hand) but it was their ideology that allowed them to kill millions of people that hadn't done anything wrong.

-Debt doesn't make peopel kill 6 million jews, flawed ideology does.
-Hurt prode doesn't make some one kill 6 million jews, flawed ideology does.
-A need of a scape goat doesn't kill 6 million jews, flawed ideology does.

maybe the combination of the three eased people in to a economicly succesfull ideology of hate, but it didn't make them kill ppl, their belifs did.

[cmpcmp]

What they think is WRONG, but we are also partly to blame for this.

What they think is WRONG, but we are also partly to blame for this.

If both sides would wise the fuck up maybe there wouldn't be any wars.

-how are we to blame for what their theaching are?
-Of coures if both sides would wise up there wouldn't be a conflict, but THERE SIDE ISN"T AND REFUSES TO BE WISE DON"T YOU GET IT?????
-DO you think that america likes fighting a war cuz its fun? that every day when a soldier dies we say, hey i hope he angered enough of them to become terrorists so that when i get old enough to join that there will be some good killin left for me? NO NO NO
-We are there because they hate us and do it with violence, not the other way around.
-PPL support thee war on terror to fight the terrorists, to fix the problem and overthrow HATE breeding Dictatorships and theorcacies. If there wasn't a problem we wouldn't be there.

[Makod]

-how are we to blame for what their theaching are?

:sigh: The Quran doesn't teach the Muslims to go after the "infidels." It does however teach that Muslims must defend themselves when insulted/attacked.

[*Dissident*]

Ok, Muhammud himself was a teacher of tolerance of Christians and Jews. Thats why the Persian and Muslim armies didnt slaughter them needlessly. They all originated from "The same book", or Abraham, or whatever. All monotheistic, all the same God. The terrorists are extremist islamics, led to believe they are right by corrupt leadership. Remember that woman speaking out against the war and the sootings and such, and how it was all Gods wrath? thats basically the christian equivalent.

[0=]

He rigged the elections both times. He's a war mongering asshole. He has wasted more money than any other president in history, so he's irresponsible. Let's face it, he's not very smart, he can't even pronounce nuclear.

[Phantom]

He rigged the elections both times. He's a war mongering asshole. He has wasted more money than any other president in history, so he's irresponsible. Let's face it, he's not very smart, he can't even pronounce nuclear.*SIGH* *shakes head* Wheres your proof. I don't see any.
I think you are like makod you just jump on the liberal hate wagon against bush. Let me say this I bet that if al gore or some other extreme leftist liberal did all the things bush did you would not care.
Why is it that both popo AND makod can't even say anything logical about or against bush and all they can do is spew flames at him that quite frankly don't make a bit of sense. I am questioning if either of you even read the OP.

:sigh: The Quran doesn't teach the Muslims to go after the "infidels." It does however teach that Muslims must defend themselves when insulted/attacked.O....M....F....G
Makod you make me so angry. I have shown MANY times these verses in the qur ran yet you seem to ignore them.
read the verses

O ye who believe! Take not the Jews and the Christians for friends. [al-Ma'idah 5:51.11]

But did you know that there are 123 verses in the Quran concerning fighting and killing for the cause of Allah? Here are but a few passages:

-Muslims are encouraged to be wholly occupied (Sura 2:273) with fighting for Allah's cause.

- Allah will give "a far richer recompense to those who fight for him" (Sura 4:96).

- Regarding infidels (unbelievers), they are the Muslim's "inveterate enemies" (Sura 4:101). Muslims are to "arrest them, besiege them and lie in ambush everywhere" (Sura 9:5) for them. They are to "seize them and put them to death wherever you find them, kill them wherever you find them, seek out the enemies of Islam relentlessly" (Sura 4:90). "Fight them until Islam reigns supreme" (Sura 2:193). "Cut off their heads, and cut off the tips of their fingers" (Sura 8:12).

- If a Muslim does not go to war, Allah will kill him (Sura 9:39). He is to be told, "the heat of war is fierce, but more fierce is the heat of Hell-fire" (Sura 9:81).

- A Muslim must "fight for the cause of Allah with the devotion due to him" (Sura 22:78)

- Muslims must make war on the infidels (unbelievers) who live around them (Sura 9:123).

- Muslims are to be "ruthless to unbelievers" (Sura 48:29).

- A Muslim should "enjoy the good things" he has gained by fighting (Sura 8:69).

- A Muslim can kill any person he wishes if it be a "just cause" (Sura 6:152).

- Allah loves those who "fight for his cause" (Sura 61:3).
Anyone who fights against Allah or renounces Islam in favor of another religion shall be "put to death or crucified or have their hands and feet cut off alternative sides" (Sura 5:34).

- Whoever changes his Islamic religion, kill him. Sahih Al-Bukhari (9:57)

- Slay the idolaters wherever you find them, and take them captives and besiege them and lie in wait for them in every ambush. (Koran 9:5)

- Take him and fetter him and expose him to hell fire. (Koran 69:30-37)

- I will instill terror into the hearts of the unbelievers, Smite ye above their necks and smite all their finger tips of them. (Koran 8:12)

- They should be murdered or crucified or their hands and their feet should be cut off on opposite sides. (Koran 5:33)

- Know that paradise is under the shades of swords. Sahih al-Bukhari Vol 4 p55

And Speaking of Paradise...

"There will be "gushing fountains" and everyone "shall recline on jeweled couches face to face, and there shall wait on them immortal youths with bowls and ewers and a cup of purest wine." Suras (or chapters) 55 and 56 of the Quran.

"Therein are bashful virgins whom neither man nor jinnee will have touched before ... virgins as fair as corals and rubies," sura 55. A few lines later, you might remind them of "virgins chaste and fair ... they shall recline on green cushions and fine carpets."

"The smallest reward for the people of Paradise is an abode where there are 80,000 servants and 72 wives, over which stands a dome decorated with pearls, aquamarine, and ruby, as wide as the distance from Al-Jabiyyah [a Damascus suburb] to Sana'a.'"

It will be the day, God willing, you spend with the women of paradise...Know that the gardens of paradise are waiting for you in all their beauty, and the women of paradise are waiting, calling out, "Come hither, friend of God."

[cmpcmp]

He rigged the elections both times.
Do you ahve any kind of proof??
-(perdiction, he will say something about corporations)

He's a war mongering asshole
HMMM war mongerer? well then so are.....
Yes to Disarming Iraq
29 Democrats joined 48 Republicans to pass a Senate resolution on October 11 authorizing President Bush to use military force, if necessary, to disarm Iraq:

* Max Baucus (Mont.)
* Evan Bayh (Ind.)
* Joe Biden (Del.)
* John Breaux (La.)
* Maria Cantwell(mine currently) (Wash.)
* Jean Carnahan (Mo.)
* Tom Carper (Del.)
* Max Cleland (Ga.)
* Hillary Clinton (N.Y.)
* Tom Daschle (S.D.)
* Christopher Dodd (Conn.)
* Byron Dorgan (N.D.)
* John Edwards (N.C.)
* Dianne Feinstein (Calif.)
* Tom Harkin (Iowa)
* Fritz Hollings (S.C.)
* Tim Johnson (S.D.)
* John Kerry (Mass.)
* Herb Kohl (Wis.)
* Mary Landrieu (La.)
* Joe Lieberman (Conn.)
* Blanche Lincoln (Ark.)
* Zell Miller (Ga.)
* Ben Nelson (Neb.)
* Bill Nelson (Fla.)
* Harry Reid (Nev.)
* John Rockefeller (W.Va.)
* Charles Schumer (N.Y.)
* Bob Torricelli (N.J.)

apperently most of the liberals in the congress are war mongerers also.

[cmpcmp]

He has wasted more money than any other president in history,
-there is a difference between spending and wasting
so he's irresponsible.
-any specific examples?
Let's face it, he's not very smart he can't even pronounce nuclear.
-do u have his IQ test scores some where?? (a real one?) (if so read this....)
http://www.csbsju.edu/uspp/Bush/Bush-IQ-Myth.html
-Since when did pronouncing words have to do with how smart you are?? Steven hawkings has motor neurone disease and can hardly speak, he must be really dumb.

[TheWizard]

*SIGH* *shakes head* Wheres your proof. I don't see any.
I think you are like makod you just jump on the liberal hate wagon against bush. Let me say this I bet that if al gore or some other extreme leftist liberal did all the things bush did you would not care.
Why is it that both popo AND makod can't even say anything logical about or against bush and all they can do is spew flames at him that quite frankly don't make a bit of sense. I am questioning if either of you even read the OP.

O....M....F....G
Makod you make me so angry. I have shown MANY times these verses in the qur ran yet you seem to ignore them.
read the verses

O ye who believe! Take not the Jews and the Christians for friends. [al-Ma'idah 5:51.11]

But did you know that there are 123 verses in the Quran concerning fighting and killing for the cause of Allah? Here are but a few passages:

-Muslims are encouraged to be wholly occupied (Sura 2:273) with fighting for Allah's cause.

- Allah will give "a far richer recompense to those who fight for him" (Sura 4:96).

- Regarding infidels (unbelievers), they are the Muslim's "inveterate enemies" (Sura 4:101). Muslims are to "arrest them, besiege them and lie in ambush everywhere" (Sura 9:5) for them. They are to "seize them and put them to death wherever you find them, kill them wherever you find them, seek out the enemies of Islam relentlessly" (Sura 4:90). "Fight them until Islam reigns supreme" (Sura 2:193). "Cut off their heads, and cut off the tips of their fingers" (Sura 8:12).

- If a Muslim does not go to war, Allah will kill him (Sura 9:39). He is to be told, "the heat of war is fierce, but more fierce is the heat of Hell-fire" (Sura 9:81).

- A Muslim must "fight for the cause of Allah with the devotion due to him" (Sura 22:78)

- Muslims must make war on the infidels (unbelievers) who live around them (Sura 9:123).

- Muslims are to be "ruthless to unbelievers" (Sura 48:29).

- A Muslim should "enjoy the good things" he has gained by fighting (Sura 8:69).

- A Muslim can kill any person he wishes if it be a "just cause" (Sura 6:152).

- Allah loves those who "fight for his cause" (Sura 61:3).
Anyone who fights against Allah or renounces Islam in favor of another religion shall be "put to death or crucified or have their hands and feet cut off alternative sides" (Sura 5:34).

- Whoever changes his Islamic religion, kill him. Sahih Al-Bukhari (9:57)

- Slay the idolaters wherever you find them, and take them captives and besiege them and lie in wait for them in every ambush. (Koran 9:5)

- Take him and fetter him and expose him to hell fire. (Koran 69:30-37)

- I will instill terror into the hearts of the unbelievers, Smite ye above their necks and smite all their finger tips of them. (Koran 8:12)

- They should be murdered or crucified or their hands and their feet should be cut off on opposite sides. (Koran 5:33)

- Know that paradise is under the shades of swords. Sahih al-Bukhari Vol 4 p55

And Speaking of Paradise...

"There will be "gushing fountains" and everyone "shall recline on jeweled couches face to face, and there shall wait on them immortal youths with bowls and ewers and a cup of purest wine." Suras (or chapters) 55 and 56 of the Quran.

"Therein are bashful virgins whom neither man nor jinnee will have touched before ... virgins as fair as corals and rubies," sura 55. A few lines later, you might remind them of "virgins chaste and fair ... they shall recline on green cushions and fine carpets."

"The smallest reward for the people of Paradise is an abode where there are 80,000 servants and 72 wives, over which stands a dome decorated with pearls, aquamarine, and ruby, as wide as the distance from Al-Jabiyyah [a Damascus suburb] to Sana'a.'"

It will be the day, God willing, you spend with the women of paradise...Know that the gardens of paradise are waiting for you in all their beauty, and the women of paradise are waiting, calling out, "Come hither, friend of God."


Dam that book. Its full of hate. We should distory the people who use it for war. ALL OF THEM before they get us first.

[Phantom]

Dam that book. Its full of hate. We should distory the people who use it for war. ALL OF THEM before they get us first.Damn straight! jk.
No we should kill the people who take it THAT far, like al quida and many other groups.
"Those who do the most evil do it in the name of religion" Some famous guy
Its sick the way these fuckers justifiy killing people in the name of religion.
This is one of the reasons I dislike religion.

[TheWizard]

Religion defines evil and is little more than the evil it suppose to define. Remember, nothing fails as often as prayer.

[*Dissident*]

Religion defines evil and is little more than the evil it suppose to define. Remember, nothing fails as often as prayer.

I disagree...Most religions teach peace and understanding, but the people who try to interpret it, and do it wrongly, are the evil ones.

[*Dissident*]

but, this is for a wholey different thread