Johns vs Ivans

[Azunite]

US and Russian Federation...


What will happen when they clash ?
Here is my theory.

Everybody says that " Russia and Iran will work together " but that may be wrong since Russia always sold weaposn to countries and then retreated from battlefield when they were asked to fight.
And I hope you people dont thing this will happen : US vs Russia, Iran, China and NKorea.

If US and Russia would enter battle 1vs1 ,although Russia has unmatchable might and "that-russian-army-pschyo-feeling" thing, America would win because of economics.

Let the debate begin !
Notes: No racist comments, no swearing, don't go off the topic.

[mrmcdonaldduck]

US and Russian Federation...


What will happen when they clash ?
Here is my theory.

Everybody says that " Russia and Iran will work together " but that may be wrong since Russia always sold weaposn to countries and then retreated from battlefield when they were asked to fight.
And I hope you people dont thing this will happen : US vs Russia, Iran, China and NKorea.

If US and Russia would enter battle 1vs1 ,although Russia has unmatchable might and "that-russian-army-pschyo-feeling" thing, America would win because of economics.

Let the debate begin !
Notes: No racist comments, no swearing, don't go off the topic.

All out total nuclear war? No one, if both countries have over 10,000 nukes, no one wins, and the entire world goes to shit. Conventional warfare, i'd say 50/50 because no one has conquered all of russia, but as you said america has their economics.

But it wont happen, the only time i can see a major global war ever happening again is over dwindiling resources, and that is still a good 100 years off, so by that time most probably america and russia will not have the same politics, meaning different war.

[huginnmuninn]

well i think that if the US and Russia ever did go to war it would start off as a cold war and then it would heat up very very fast and both countries would be destroyed plus any country that allied with the countries

[Continuum]

Can they even go into full scale nuclear war just years after the cold war? Possible, but no. The international committee watches both of them real closely, and in the event of a nuclear attack, they lose their support. The world today does not want more hiroshima's and nagasaki's, so they both lose.

Plus, your choice of opponents for US. Have you ever heard of NATO? If they attack, everyone joins in. The EU, Canada at some other countries will join the pool party, with no one leaving without being irradiated by one nuke or another. There's no doubt China would have doubts for this, and getting involved against the US was a bad idea. I mean BAD for their economy. The US is one of their primary helpers on economy; not to mention one of the largest buyer of Chinese goods. Iran and North Korea would and probably fall just after the first wave of zerging. Russia will also undeniably fall as pressure and the use of force by the West will capitulate them eventually.

Russia lost most of its might long before the Soviet Union fell. Just looking at a glance today, US will pwn them hard and good. And the morale you are speaking of, is already deteriorating due to lack of propaganda machines. No lies, no game, no win. They die, we die too, and US will be the only nation of earth standing after world war III, and George Bush would be the king of New Jesusland.

[Tiberius]

Russia is pretty much a broken country right now. They are losing population at a ridiculous rate, have more emigration than immigration, limited military production, and a collapsing economy. They are not capable of putting up much of a fight against NATO( or the U.S alone) in an all out war.

[Amnesiac]

Russia isn't what it used to be. It's not a good example for the next major participant in World War III.

A better example would be China, which has a strong (STRONG) economy and a very large military.

[Sage]

What will happen when they clash ?

This is where I take issue with this thread.

[CaptainObvious]

Russia is pretty much a broken country right now. They are losing population at a ridiculous rate, have more emigration than immigration, limited military production, and a collapsing economy. They are not capable of putting up much of a fight against NATO( or the U.S alone) in an all out war.

I don't think we can call them broken with the massive natural resource endowments they possess, really.

[Continuum]

Russia is pretty much a broken country right now. They are losing population at a ridiculous rate, have more emigration than immigration, limited military production, and a collapsing economy. They are not capable of putting up much of a fight against NATO( or the U.S alone) in an all out war.

No more MW2-style *russians win* war here, the US will still win if they ever do a preemptive nuclear strike on Washington DC.

[Azunite]

Thanks fro the info Tiber, I didn't know that population thing .

And yes, I completely forgot about NATO..
Oh shit ! If US goes to war we will too ! :@

But you people are right, although Russia has super copters and has t he most tanks in the Army, America would win.

But for a second people im telling you, forget about Nato. I am talking about 1vs1
(And even if you add Nato, does any army have 1 billion bullets to kill 1 billion chinese ? )

[Continuum]

But you people are right, although Russia has super copters and has t he most tanks in the Army, America would win.


We're not in Red Alert. Russia doesn't have any technical superiority over the US in terms of military and neither in economy.


But for a second people im telling you, forget about Nato. I am talking about 1vs1
(And even if you add Nato, does any army have 1 billion bullets to kill 1 billion chinese ? )

You said 1 on 1. When did China get along? That's unfair in my opinion.

And another thing, the coalition just can't massacre the whole chinese population. If they did, they should be prepared for several sanctions from the UN.

[Azunite]

I am talking about several possibilites here,
Yes we are not in Red Alert but Russia has more tanks than US and I didn't say that they have technical superiority.
I said EVEN if you add NATO, so that's another scenario.
And the world has more than 2 billion chinese now ( if you add all chinatowns over the world ) and 1 billion is just a round number, more or less...
And UN? Please... Do you think there will be an UN by the time US and Russia will go to war ?

[Tiberius]

Just because Russia has a bunch of tanks, it doesn't mean they have enough people to man them; not to mention that most of them are severely out-dated rust buckets. They have a tanking population and economy, they can't mount any kind of worth-while fight.

There aren't two billion Chinese around the world. It's more like 1.4 billion. Even with those numbers, the Chinese command said that they aren't prepared to fight a war with the United States alone and hope to win.

[Continuum]

There aren't two billion Chinese around the world. It's more like 1.4 billion. Even with those numbers, the Chinese command said that they aren't prepared to fight a war with the United States alone and hope to win.

It's not that. They only have 3 million Chinese people in service, he's implying the whole population of the Chinese race around the world. Amazingly, if you add all of them up, it's more likely to exceed what he said.

Like I said, numbers don't count. Tell me, how many MOABs does it take to kill large swarms of Chinese? How many nukes does it take to destroy most of china's major cities? I say a very few; they'd fall to the shining light of the US alone.

[Azunite]

Whoa mate, using a nuke is not an easy job, you saw what happened at Hiroshima and Nagazaki, the world would boycott anyone who would use a nuke

[The Dark Lord]

Whoa mate, using a nuke is not an easy job, you saw what happened at Hiroshima and Nagazaki, the world would boycott anyone who would use a nuke

All major countries have nuclear weapons, there wouldn't be a boycott for any country which use one.

[Continuum]

He's right. Unless the UN perceives it as righteous, planned and for the sake of mankind, they'll allow it one more time. If that doesn't work, the US has a quite a non-nuclear arsenal ready in waiting behind.

[mrmcdonaldduck]

Whoa mate, using a nuke is not an easy job, you saw what happened at Hiroshima and Nagazaki, the world would boycott anyone who would use a nuke

Lemme say something. If russia and america had full scale nuclear war, Life as we know it would stop. There wouldnt be any countries left to boycott. Especially considering both sides have orders to fire on all major cities, friend or foe, in the world in a major nuclear war. It doesnt matter who has more tanks, or more planes or people, major nuclear war means death to modern civillization. The apocolaypse

[Azunite]

And there wont be a post apocalyptia for us to emerge out...
You have a point