Agnostics

[The Ninja]

From a christians point of view, do agnostics go to heaven. I've heard a catholic say "It depends, God has the final say in where people go after they die." or something along those lines. This differs from what lutherans think, we believe that if you except jesus into your heart and you are truly sorry for your sins you will be forgiven and go to heaven. Now I know there are a lot more types of christian sub-religions, i guess you would call them, but even if you are athiests, agnostics, or even a person from another faith what do you think.

[Amnesiac]

Agnostics doubt the existence of God. Therefore, they do not get into "heaven" (it's not real, but I must answer your question).

[Sage]

Agnostics doubt the existence of God. Therefore, they do not get into "heaven" (it's not real, but I must answer your question).

I second this, it sounds to me like the priest the OP spoke to was just giving a wishy-washy answer that doesn't really answer anything.

[The Ninja]

Thanks DarthEgg thats what i was thinking.

What do you mean by the priest that the OP asked, sage?

[huginnmuninn]

Thanks DarthEgg thats what i was thinking.

What do you mean by the priest that the OP asked, sage?

i think sage meant the catholic dude that you heard but i could be wrong

[ZodiacKiller]

The bible says that you only get into hevean if you beleive in god (in old testament so true for jews also). The koran says you go to "the fire" if you aren't islamic.

the abrahamic faiths are mutually exclusive, and nonbeleivers will not go to heaven. btw im not religous

[The Dark Lord]

Don't listen to Priests, they tell lie and spread myths.

[The Ninja]

When it's time to die though doesnt everyone question there beliefs relious or not, would this not make them partly agnostic.

[Syvelocin]

Not quite. I'd imagine some Christians and pseudo atheists/agnostics would. I have, what, a few years left (doctors aren't too trustworthy when determining these things). And I'm still a firm "atheist," and have been for ten years.

[Sith Lord 13]

Agnostics doubt the existence of God. Therefore, they do not get into "heaven" (it's not real, but I must answer your question).

It all depends on your religion. In modern Catholic teaching, all it takes is being a good person. Being Catholic just "makes it easier" - (Quote from religion teacher.)

[Clawhammer]

I, for one, will not answer with certainty. I do not speak for God, and I do not know how He will judge. But, I believe the Bible says that those who do not have an actual relationship with God and never knew Him in this life, will not in the next. I wish I could believe we will all know Him in the next world, but He makes the rules for my life.

[Hatsune Miku]

Thanks DarthEgg thats what i was thinking.

What do you mean by the priest that the OP asked, sage?

OP = You

[Amnesiac]

It all depends on your religion. In modern Catholic teaching, all it takes is being a good person. Being Catholic just "makes it easier" - (Quote from religion teacher.)

Well, I'm basing it on the Bible itself, not different interpretations of the Bible.

[thatgolferboi]

According to Modern Christian teaching, the only way to Heaven is through Christ. I'm not well versed on other religions, however so I cannot fully answer your question.

[Sith Lord 13]

Well, I'm basing it on the Bible itself, not different interpretations of the Bible.

Specific sections of the bible which serve to make it look worse than it generally is. You have conflicting accounts in the bible, and, as such, need to look to interpretations.

[Amnesiac]

Specific sections of the bible which serve to make it look worse than it generally is. You have conflicting accounts in the bible, and, as such, need to look to interpretations.

Quite true, but I don't think someone who denies or doubts the existence of God would get into heaven.

[The Ninja]

I agree with Egg but is there such a thing as half Christian half Agnostic.

[Sith Lord 13]

Quite true, but I don't think someone who denies or doubts the existence of God would get into heaven.

This is where it's divided the most, but it is quite probable they would go to heaven in my opinion, as many teachings center on behavior.

[Amnesiac]

This is where it's divided the most, but it is quite probable they would go to heaven in my opinion, as many teachings center on behavior.

I can see why it's an issue. It depends on which version of God you believe in: the cruel, unforgiving God of the Old Testament, or the much more chill God of the New.

[Sith Lord 13]

I can see why it's an issue. It depends on which version of God you believe in: the cruel, unforgiving God of the Old Testament, or the much more chill God of the New.

Pretty much. Why I stick to Agnosticism/free-form Christianity myself.

[The Ninja]

I can see why it's an issue. It depends on which version of God you believe in: the cruel, unforgiving God of the Old Testament, or the much more chill God of the New.

Ok as far as christianity goes I dont think any christians think God is cruel, now on the other hand from what i hear (possibly from an un-reliable source) it's catholics who believe that it matters how good a person you are and ultimatley it's up to God, but I as a lutheran I believe that if you believe in Jesus as your savior your sins are forgiven. I dont understand how catholics cant believe this seeing as how all christian believe that jesus died on the cross, but if not saving us from our sins like the bible says for what reason did he die on the cross.

[Magus]

Agnostic. By literal meaning, it means 'without knowledge', and isn't necessary relates in believing God or not.

There is no 'I don't believe in god but I don't think he does exist either' or 'I believe that God exist, but also God might not exist' or whatever. You either believe in God, or do not believe in God. There is no midpoint.

If I am to go with Dawkin's scale, I would be on number '5' - Agnostic, and a sceptic. Yes, No. 4 is what I was talking about.

Pretty much. Why I stick to Agnosticism/free-form Christianity myself.
As I told you guys just now. There is no such stance called agnosticism - it is only theism and atheism; you are either a gnostic atheist or gnostic theist, or you are either an agnostic theist or agnostic atheist. Or you can be given the non-religious labels such as Humanist, Naturalist, Sceptic and etc - either way, you will fall in these 4 sorts.

People often mistake Hawking and Einstein as a God-believing people. Scientist, they are usually pantheist[universe as god] or atheists[no god].
or the much more chill God of the New.
It is fun read, though.

I was reading through Matthew- This is what I got.

"29And if thy right eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast [it] from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not [that] thy whole body should be cast into hell.

30 And if thy right hand offend thee, cut it off, and cast [it] from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not [that] thy whole body should be cast into hell."

So, to stop ourselves to masturbating or looking into girls butt - we should cut off our right hands and pluck our right eyes out, if we don't want to taste hell. We can do the goodies with our left hand, no? Cool, ain't it!

That's where Mohammad came up with Use right hand and don't do bad things with the right hand.

but I as a lutheran I believe that if you believe in Jesus as your savior your sins are forgiven.
That's stupid. After committing rape, stole properties and ended lives. You can be forgiven by just believe in a guy as my God and Saviour?

And I still don't understand the logic of a guy getting himself [suicide]crucified just to forgive our sins. And what kind of God that sends himself(?) to death? Seems to me like a pretty much a jumbled story.