Open Gays in the Military and Showers/Sleeping Quarters

[ShyGuyInChicago]

One objection people have to Don't Ask , Don't Tell is being forced to share showers and sleeping quarters with people who of the same sex who may be attracted to them. Some say that they would feel uncomfortable and that it is double standard because men and women don't shower and sleep in the same places. I have read on the Internet that there should be separate facilities for gay and straight people.

Now the concern is understandable, but there is a possibility that even gays be be uncomfortable in those situations too. Plus separate facilities is not feasible at all. I am sure other countries who have openly gay service members do not have this problem.

I think that if and when Don't Ask Don't Tell is repealed it will help gays become more accepted, because they will not have to essentially be invisible. Plus most gays and lesbians are not attracted to straight people so maybe soldiers should be educated if and when the policy is overturned.

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[Amnesiac]

Shower separation implies that all gays are perverts, which is an untrue generalization. People who are afraid of showing with gays need to man up and just do it, it's not like the odd one out in the group is going to go around molesting people.

Also, the Boy Scouts of America is a douchebag organization that fails to adapt to modern values and scientific conclusions showing that homosexuality is natural.

[ShyGuyInChicago]

Shower separation implies that all gays are perverts, which is an untrue generalization. People who are afraid of showing with gays need to man up and just do it, it's not like the odd one out in the group is going to go around molesting people.

Also, the Boy Scouts of America is a douchebag organization that fails to adapt to modern values and scientific conclusions showing that homosexuality is natural.

A counterargument is that based on that argument then men and women should shower together and sleep in the same places. How can one respond to that?

[Amnesiac]

A counterargument is that based on that argument then men and women should shower together and sleep in the same places. How can one respond to that?

Since women and men are biologically different, it would probably cost too much to integrate facilities.

[Perseus]

When was the last time you heard of a gay dude raping a straight dude? I mean really. Just because you're gay doesn't mean you have to have sex with every guy you see. That's straight guys with girls.

[Dorsum Oppel]

LOLYEAH

You know, lemme just go risk my life on a daily basis getting shot at, living in ass crack conditions and being bombed by foreign terrorists so I can see some dick in the shower.

That's totally why I joined the army.

[Errr]

Gay or straight. They are serving my country. Thats all that matters. And if a gay guy was checking me out in the shower. I would be more honored then grossed out. It just means I'm good looking to him. Whats the big deal? And the segragation part of it? Isnt that like the black/white thing? Yes. And its not fair or equal. but something makes me think the gay side would be more decorative and clean haha :P

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Since women and men are biologically different, it would probably cost too much to integrate facilities.

What?

[Amnesiac]

What?

Women and men don't do things the same way, I think we know that :P

I bet it would be too much trouble for the military to put women and men's facilities together. There's no point.

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Women and men don't do things the same way, I think we know that :P

I bet it would be too much trouble for the military to put women and men's facilities together. There's no point.

No duh, but it how would there be a big difference. There will only be a minuscule difference.

[Amnesiac]

No duh, but it how would there be a big difference. There will only be a minuscule difference.

Yeah, but those differences add up. It's too late to change the way the military separates men and women.

Besides, that's not the point. We're talking about gays and straights here, there's no difference between them apart from sexual orientation.

[Suicune]

My God.

Gay people in shower ≠ Surprise buttsecks.

This whole policy is stupid to begin with.

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[The Dark Lord]

NO! I don't believe that gays should be allowed into the army. Everyone knows its only gay people who can't control their urges and refrain from sticking their penis into another guy in the showers. All gay people are sex-driven maniacs who would only join the army to get some action, it's much easier if they stayed away

Does anyone actually have a serious reason for gay people not to be allowed into the army, other than the ones I've so articulately and fairly outlined above?

[Sith Lord 13]

Anything that spreads dissension in the ranks leads to people getting killed. No, I don't believe in Tom, Dick, and Harry getting killed because Henry couldn't keep who he was boning to himself. Hell, I don't fucking care what he does in his off time, but pointing out differences gets people killed. The military strips a lot of your individuality from you for a reason. When you're out there, you're job is not to talk about who you wanna sleep with, but to get yourself and the people your with out alive.

[Dorsum Oppel]

Anything that spreads dissension in the ranks leads to people getting killed. No, I don't believe in Tom, Dick, and Harry getting killed because Henry couldn't keep who he was boning to himself. Hell, I don't fucking care what he does in his off time, but pointing out differences gets people killed. The military strips a lot of your individuality from you for a reason. When you're out there, you're job is not to talk about who you wanna sleep with, but to get yourself and the people your with out alive.

Well Tom, Dick, and Harry better get the fuck over it and pick up their guns so they don't get killed. Plus, loss of self in the army isn't a good thing, and we should be combating that.

[Peace God]

I don't believe in Tom, Dick, and Harry getting killed because Henry couldn't keep who he was boning to himself.
...you're job is not to talk about who you wanna sleep with
Really? Do you honestly think these are legitimate concerns?
1. Having openly gay soldiers will not make them wanna tell everyone about their relationships.
2. Even if it did, Tom, Dick and Harry were not fit to be soldiers in the first place if the cant get the fuck over it.

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Really? Do you honestly think these are legitimate concerns?
1. Having openly gay soldiers will not make them wanna tell everyone about their relationships.
2. Even if it did, Tom, Dick and Harry were not fit to be soldiers in the first place if the cant get the fuck over it.

And there are a bunch who get deported because other people in the army purposely get into there email and such.

[Sith Lord 13]

Well Tom, Dick, and Harry better get the fuck over it and pick up their guns so they don't get killed. Plus, loss of self in the army isn't a good thing, and we should be combating that.

Actually, the encouragement of uniformity in the military is a good thing. People need to be on the same wavelength to get things done. Also, you assume it's Tom Dick and Harry's fault they're getting killed. Maybe it's sergeant John, who now has to worry about if he puts Henry in a position to cover Tom Dick and Harry that's dangerous and Henry gets killed he's gonna have to answer questions about sacrificing the gay man to save the straight men. Sexual orientation has no place being talked about in the military.

Really? Do you honestly think these are legitimate concerns?
1. Having openly gay soldiers will not make them wanna tell everyone about their relationships.
2. Even if it did, Tom, Dick and Harry were not fit to be soldiers in the first place if the cant get the fuck over it.

Yes, I do.

1. By that I meant discuss their sexual orientation. If they don't want to do that, then DADT doesn't matter.

2. See above.

And there are a bunch who get deported because other people in the army purposely get into there email and such.

That's why it's Don't Ask, Don't Tell. That evidence should be inadmissible. If it's not, that's an oversight in implementation, not policy.