All US related things including war on terror

[Phantom]

I created this thread so we can discuss all these politics without wandering WAY off topic in some other thread.:D

[Hyper]

Well what should we talk about mostly.. Iraq related debate is going on in the conspiracy theorist topic..

[Phantom]

Well what should we talk about mostly.. Iraq related debate is going on in the conspiracy theorist topic..Exactly. We went WAY off topic.
I am just waiting for some dumb lib like popo to come in here and say that somthing stupid. That should kick off the debate well.:D

[TheWizard]

lol you are so funny :)

[cmpcmp]

Hvae you guys seen the wild estaments of iraqi death since invasion? most have it at about 40,000ish, but a recent one has it at 600,000, does any one else see soemthing slightly wrong?
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/10/11/world/middleeast/11casu
alties.html?bl&ex=1160712000&en=4497ed3a4b18f72a&ei=5087%0A
Iraqi Dead May Total 600,000, Study Says (head line)
BAGHDAD, Oct. 10 — A team of American and Iraqi public health researchers has estimated that 600,000 civilians have died in violence across Iraq since the 2003 American invasion, the highest estimate ever for the toll of the war here. The figure breaks down to about 15,000 violent deaths a month, a number that is quadruple the one for July given by Iraqi government hospitals and the morgue in Baghdad and published last month in a United Nations report in Iraq. That month was the highest for Iraqi civilian deaths since the American invasion.

But it is an estimate and not a precise count, and researchers acknowledged a margin of error that ranged from 426,369 to 793,663 deaths.
OMFG error range of 426,369 to 793,663 deaths???? 300,000 ppl plus margin of error?

This is rediculious, other much more responsible studies such as Iraqbodycount.org (look at the site u think they have an agenda?) put the nimimum nuber at 43937 and the max at 48783

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/4692589.stm
Nearly 25,000 civilians have died violently in Iraq since the US-led invasion in March 2003, a report says. reported in July 2005

Which nuber looks exadgerated to you???? well which one gets a lot of publicity? just guess? heres a little experiment type in 600,000 to google and see what u comeup with.
-Iraqi Dead May Total 600000, Study Says - New York Times
-AlterNet: War on Iraq: Study: More Than 600000 Dead in Iraq
-Hiding 600000 Dead Iraqis - Center for Media and Democracy
-Iraqi Death Toll Exceeds 600000, Study Estimates - WSJ.com
-FT.com / In depth - Survey says 600000 have died in Iraq war
-Daily Kos: EXCLUSIVE! Study: 600000 civilians killed in war in Iraq!!!
-digg - 600000 Iraqis dead by violence since US invasion

o and this is rich, thanks NPR, this is the ENTIRE report....
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=6246127
Estimate: 650,000 Civilians Have Died in Iraq

Listen to this story... by Anne Garrels

Morning Edition, October 11, 2006 · A new report estimates that violence in Iraq has left more than 650,000 civilians dead since March 2003. The report by a team of American and Iraqi public-health researchers is by far the highest estimate of war-related deaths in Iraq.

-How many ppl do you think have heard this number?
-How many do you think have hearder that it is a SURVEY given to ppl in iraq? do you think that if an Anti us person in Iraq was given the survey that they might fudge the number just a little bit?

read this please, its by the BBC, it at least tells ppl the criticizms of the report, like there are all of thoes other 500,000+ bodies?
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/6045112.stm

[TheWizard]

Looks like the 600,000 is the winner. :)

[cmpcmp]

The winner of what? Did u even understad the post? Most (the vast majority) have the number at less then, and at most at 100,000. But some one thats based on surveys, that survey potentialy biased ppl gets 600,000 ppl and all of the suden its instant truth?

Plus I have yet to see a good statistic on how amny are form US troops killing ppl and not insurgents and other things

[redcar]

I am just waiting for some dumb lib like popo to come in here and say that somthing stupid.


correct me if i am wrong, but did i or did i not warn you about that type of attitude?

[Phantom]

correct me if i am wrong, but did i or did i not warn you about that type of attitude?I suppose it was a bit much. OK sorry :(

[TheWizard]

Indeed you must stop flamming people please.

[*Dissident*]

Finally...Mod intervention

[TheWizard]

Just doing our job. :)

[cmpcmp]

so, thewizzard, u think that the 600,000 number is right? and that all of the other ones got it wayyyyyyyyy (about 500,000 ppl) off?

[*Dissident*]

My sources said 100,000, and that was the BBC...But, im not trying to down play the situation, i think it should be 0.

[TheWizard]

No one knows foir sure, but its a lot more than the US reports.

[mRojas2000]

No one knows foir sure, but its a lot more than the US reports.

Yes, everyday, thousands of people die without us even knowing...

[cmpcmp]

No one knows foir sure, but its a lot more than the US reports.
and
Yes, everyday, thousands of people die without us even knowing...
Am i the only one that sees a direct contradiction in these statments???

No one knows for shure, somehow leads directly into But its a lot more than the US reports
Does this make sense to every one else? Does it alledge that the US is censoring, or that we just don't know (I know the second one does)?

did either ever respond to wether or not most of the deaths were from insurgents?
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If you read the actual 600,000 deaths report, it says that the ppl whose family members were dead could provide a death certificate 92% of the time. Now call me crazy, but there are ppl out there who actively look for morgue and other information (IBC for example), unless theres some groups out there hiding approximately 510,000 death certificates, then...... well why are they giving them out in the first place????

The point of my last few post was to say that if u don't like Bush or the war ppl will jump at a high number even though it goes against all of the other numbers that have previously been obtained.

[Phantom]

Accualy if anything its less than the US reports. People seem to forget that the media have their own agenda, they are not linked to the goverment like north korea. And guess what as I have shown before BLOOD SELLS, you wonder why you never hear of the schools that are being built or any of the good, you only hear more US troops died, never hear US killed 100 Insurgents today now do you. And guess what most of the media just happens to be you guessed it LIBERAL and what do liberals dislike, you guessed it BUSH, and what is Bush doing FIGHTING A WAR, put two and two together. I believe the most of the media is the enemy within. They do anything they can to put our troops down and make this war unpopular.

[0=]

The media is controlled by the government and other larger corporations with their own agenda, so the media reflects the government's intentions, if you recall some stories weren't allowed to be shown and were censored by Fox News and others as well.

[Phantom]

The media is controlled by the government and other larger corporations with their own agenda, so the media reflects the government's intentions, if you recall some stories weren't allowed to be shown and were censored by Fox News and others as well.:SIGH::rolleyes: Do you care to back up your corporation conspiracy theorys. You know you are realy starting to sound like hide (SP?) from that 70's show.

[0=]

Steven?

Watch The Corporation. Watch the Michael Moore movies, he may have an agenda, but the shit people say when he interviews them is unaltered.

[Phantom]

Steven?

Watch The Corporation. Watch the Michael Moore movies, he may have an agenda, but the shit people say when he interviews them is unaltered.MICHEAL MOORE!!! OMFG popo now you are officialy cleared of ANY credibility what so ever in my book. You are so nieve to even think FOR A SECOND that micheal moore isnt lieing out his ass. I hope you do know that micheal moore has been proven and even confesed to seriously editing peoples speaches. You make me laugh popo, now I see you don't even have original talking points and take your lies from micheal moore of all people:(

http://www.zipperfish.com/free/yaafm9.php

[0=]

Let's see, once again the z0mg you're cleared of credibility you're ignorant z0mg attack. Go watch Bowling For Columbine and tell me that's a bunch of bullshit.

[Phantom]

Let's see, once again the z0mg you're cleared of credibility you're ignorant z0mg attack. Go watch Bowling For Columbine and tell me that's a bunch of bullshit.You deserve it this time. I can honestly say now for a fact you are ignorant to accualy believe anything micheal moore says. How bout this why dont you go read ann coulters books and listen to her and tell me shes not stupid.
I am serious now I am going to not even bother to read your arguments now.

[0=]

You read them before?

[Phantom]

You read them before?No because I know they are mostly full of shit. I don't like extremes of either side.

[0=]

So basically the post before the last was entirely pointless because you were stating that you would no longer read posts that you supposedly never read in the first place?

[Phantom]

So basically the post before the last was entirely pointless because you were stating that you would no longer read posts that you supposedly never read in the first place?:SIGH: I suppose you misinterpreted my post.

[0=]

No, I think your posts are self contradictory.

[Phantom]

I am going to not even bother to read your arguments now.

No, I think your posts are self contradictory.I think not

[0=]

But right now I am arguing that your posts are self contradictory, therefore you are reading my arguments.

[*Dissident*]

You deserve it this time. I can honestly say now for a fact you are ignorant to accualy believe anything micheal moore says. How bout this why dont you go read ann coulters books and listen to her and tell me shes not stupid.
I am serious now I am going to not even bother to read your arguments now.

So, all of the other times you said he was ignorant and uncredible you were just joking around...

[Phantom]

So, all of the other times you said he was ignorant and uncredible you were just joking around...Somtimes I can get out of hand :D. I think this is the most meaningfull time he got flamed.

[0=]

Ok, so now flaming is a meaningful activity? Maybe demeaning, but not meaningful.

[Phantom]

Ok, so now flaming is a meaningful activity? Maybe demeaning, but not meaningful.I think you deserved it:D

[0=]

And I think you deserve to go on a hunting trip with Cheney.

[Phantom]

And I think you deserve to go on a hunting trip with Cheney.I don't like to shoot animals :)

[0=]

Cheney doesn't either.

[Phantom]

Cheney doesn't either.LOL LMAO:lol: That was acualy pretty funny.


Ok lets get back on topic

[0=]

Yes, I believe you were busy flaming everyone.

[Phantom]

Yes, I believe you were busy flaming everyone.Wow just wow. popo go away you are ruining the debate forum.

[0=]

No you are, people try to be nice and debate, then you go and fuck everything up by spewing "lolol youre sucha dumbass youre so wrong, i dotn flame unless soemone is stupid lol youre so stupid im right youre wrong lol show me facts bitch im through with your bullshit you arent worthy of debatign me i always win" out your ass.

[Phantom]

*sigh*. I think its time I make a new thread

[Whisper]

popo, phantom
enough
i mean it next time i see ANYTHING like this i'll give you an offical warning
you only get three
and if memory serves some are already used

[Phantom]

popo, phantom
enough
i mean it next time i see ANYTHING like this i'll give you an offical warning
you only get three
and if memory serves some are already usedPlease read my ceasefire thread.