The Jesus Debate.

[Thylacine]

What do you think about Jesus?

Was he the...

Son of God?
Just a Prophet of God?
Or a evil heretic!
Did he exist at all?
Was he more than one person?

Me?

To me Jesus was a prophet who's mission was to tell people how to live better lives and also about the reforms needed in Judaism. He didn't want a new religion just a better one. He was just a man, but a very good man indeed. He was born a jew and he died a jew in my opinion.

[Sage]

Son of God? No.
Just a Prophet of God? One cannot prophecize things that do not exist.
Or a evil heretic! There is no heresy if there is no God.
Did he exist at all? Probably.
Was he more than one person? It's possible.

[mrmcdonaldduck]

I have a feeling that some people will critisize me for this, but i well and truley beleive that jesus was the sun of god, sent out to save us from our sins. But i do not think that 4 of more then 300 gospels written of jesus give us the full picture of what he was like.

[Clawhammer]

First of all, I suppose I should state I'm Celtic Christian, so my views might be seen as obvious or taken for granted. Nevertheless, here's what I believe.

Around 40 people wrote the Bible, many from various diverse cultures, over hundreds of years. If you read the old testament, there's prophecies all over the place. They prophesied that a Messiah would come, he would be born in a stable in Bethlehem, etc. After the silent years, it happened. The four gospels are different eye-witness accounts of his life from different perspectives. He fulfilled all of those prophecies. Why do I believe these accounts? Well, as far as I have ever seen, no motive. Why would someone write a lie that long and detailed?

I personally believe He was, is, and always will be, the Son of God who was the perfect man, sacrificed on a cross, and the mediator of the New Covenant for all who accept Him. That pretty much sums it up for me.

[Azunite]

Son of God? Hell no, God is not human therefore he cannot have blood relatives.
Just a Prophet of God? Aye
Or a evil heretic! No
Did he exist at all? Aye
Was he more than one person? No, like Muhammed or any other prophets he was an ordinary man.

[Magus]

Son of God? No.
Just a Prophet of God? No.
Did he exist at all? I am highly sceptical about his existence.
Was he more than one person? Can be. His identical twin who came when he died the first time. Well, that's my baseless speculation.

[Jess]

I think he did exist but I don't think he's the Son of God

[Asylum]

Son of God? aren't we all children of God?! but no not blood related.
Just a Prophet of God? yes
Or a evil heretic! i don't believe so, but i thought about it.
Did he exist at all? technically.. no. his name is Eshua. if you saw Jesus accross the street and said... Jesus!!! Jesus!! over here man!! I love you... he would be like wtf?!?! who is this Jesus... my name is Eshua. it's like calling someone name Songul Zack. Obviously your not going to rspond.
Was he more than one person- No

[ShatteredWings]

I believe people believed he was a prophet. I don't think he was any more a prophet than Buddha was (which is "not prophet, smart person with ideas to help change things that didn't quite take off in their day")

I don't think he's the son of god.

[Sugaree]

Son of God? Hell no, God is not human therefore he cannot have blood relatives.

I need to stop you right here for pure ignorance. Now, from what the Catholic Church teaches - and I, by no means, am a Catholic now, but I used to be and had to study the Church doctrines in school - that God is one being in three divine persons: Father (God), Son (Christ), and Holy Ghost/Spirit. Now though God isn't spoken of as a human, the Church firmly believes that he directly acted to give his spiritual nature to Christ. The Church also states that even though he had a spiritual nature, Christ still retained the human nature we all have. If you took time to study religion before offering views on it, maybe you'd be better suited to debate.

Son of God? No.
Just a Prophet of God? Not entirely a prophet, but more a holy man preaching about everyone already knew and probably making guesses as to what was to happen in later times.
Or a evil heretic! Convicted as one, probably not.
Did he exist at all? Yes.
Was he more than one person? Unsure of at this point, but my guess is that he was simply one man.

[deadpie]

Son of God? God doesn't exist, so he can't be a son of nothing.

Just a Prophet of God? No

Or a evil heretic! Not evil in the story, but still kind of an asshole. He chose who he wanted to heal in The Bible. Why didn't he just heal fucking everyone? In my opinions most of his teachings were pretty shitty anyways. But I wouldn't go as far to call him an evil heretic in the novel.

Did he exist at all? There's NO sources that prove he exists, except gospels. But we don't even know who wrote those even. For all you know, these could just be copies edited and copied over and over again and again. Every aspect of Jesus has been based off other figures that were before that time, which makes it even less likely he really existed.

Was he more than one person? Haysaus.

[Obscene Eyedeas]

I need to stop you right here for pure ignorance. Now, from what the Catholic Church teaches - and I, by no means, am a Catholic now, but I used to be and had to study the Church doctrines in school - that God is one being in three divine persons: Father (God), Son (Christ), and Holy Ghost/Spirit. Now though God isn't spoken of as a human, the Church firmly believes that he directly acted to give his spiritual nature to Christ. The Church also states that even though he had a spiritual nature, Christ still retained the human nature we all have. If you took time to study religion before offering views on it, maybe you'd be better suited to debate.

This. ^

Catholics believe in the blessed trinity, that god jesus and the holy spirit are one. It is important not be confused. God did not create Jesus. Jesus is God, and he has always existed.

Jesus proved that he is God by doing many things that only God could do. These are called miracles. He made dead people alive. He walked across a great lake. He made blind eyes see perfectly again. He healed deadly diseases with a word.

The exciting truth is that Jesus is now also a man, and will remain so for all eternity. He humbled himself to become like one of his own creations. He chose to become a man to help us in an extremely important way. This amazing event happened about 2-thousand years ago. The results have changed the world forever.

This is not my belief it is simply what we were taught in our mandatory religion classes (catholic convent)

Son of God? No sir he was not sir. Please stop talking to yourself sir.
Just a Prophet of God? Maybe a madman fancied himself as powerful (not for the first time in history might i add.)

Or a evil heretic! no.

Did he exist at all? As i said maybe as a madman.

Was he more than one person? Do multiple personalities count? yes? Then sure it is a possibility.

[ShatteredWings]

not evil in the story, but still kind of an asshole. He chose who he wanted to heal in The Bible. Why didn't he just heal fucking everyone? In my opinions most of his teachings were pretty shitty anyways. But I wouldn't go as far to call him an evil heretic in the novel.
somewhat devils advocate, somewhat thinking about it.
no one would have recorded every single-fucking-thing he did.
The stories would be on a few events.
we don't know the full story, assuming he existed (and i think he did, as did all other religious 'prophets')


Was he more than one person? Do multiple personalities count? yes? Then sure it is a possibility.
what makes you say mutiple personalities?

[Sith Lord 13]

Did he exist at all? There's NO sources that prove he exists, except gospels. But we don't even know who wrote those even. For all you know, these could just be copies edited and copied over and over again and again. Every aspect of Jesus has been based off other figures that were before that time, which makes it even less likely he really existed.

OK, actually have to call misinformation here. Jesus was mentioned by contemporary secular authors such as Josephus and Pliny the Younger, amongst others. Source (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historicity_of_Jesus#Josephus)


I'm willing to say he physically existed. Anything else is mere speculation.

[willrod]

Was Jesus the son of God? Probably not, in my opinion, as I believe God to be more an abstract thought than an actual sentient being. Was he a prophet, though- depends on your definition. At any rate, he offered many great teachings about how to live and treat others- indeed, he could be considered the first socialist! Did he exist at all? Historic records apart from the Bible indicate there was a popular rabbi named Yeshua Ben Yosef who was tried for treason and crucified. Of course, Yeshua Ben Yosef, when translated, literally becomes Joshua, son of Joseph- but the Greeks further changed Joshua and made it Jesus.

[Azunite]

I need to stop you right here for pure ignorance. Now, from what the Catholic Church teaches - and I, by no means, am a Catholic now, but I used to be and had to study the Church doctrines in school - that God is one being in three divine persons: Father (God), Son (Christ), and Holy Ghost/Spirit. Now though God isn't spoken of as a human, the Church firmly believes that he directly acted to give his spiritual nature to Christ. The Church also states that even though he had a spiritual nature, Christ still retained the human nature we all have. If you took time to study religion before offering views on it, maybe you'd be better suited to debate.

Son of God? No.
Just a Prophet of God? Not entirely a prophet, but more a holy man preaching about everyone already knew and probably making guesses as to what was to happen in later times.
Or a evil heretic! Convicted as one, probably not.
Did he exist at all? Yes.
Was he more than one person? Unsure of at this point, but my guess is that he was simply one man.

So you say that you support that he is a son of god or something but then you say he is not a son of god very intresting.

And God is one single being, not a 3-way diagram

[Syvelocin]

I'll probably regret this post. BUT, oh well.

Alright, you know I mean business when I pull out MY bible. XD

**Warning, if you are an easily offended Christian, don't read my post. It's as simple as that.

The Book of Fire, 2:6 - "No creed must be accepted upon authority of a 'divine' nature. Religions must be put to the question. No moral dogma must be taken for granted--no standard of measurement deified. There is nothing inherently sacred about moral codes. Like the wooden idols of long ago, they are the work of human hands, and what man has made, man can destroy."

I'm sure a Jewish man named Jesus existed a while ago. Though some facts and details in the fictional version of his life are completely impossible for the time period he lived in (don't ask for sources, because I don't own a bible to find these things for you, but I do have a father who takes interest in religion). If a god can exist, then how come magic isn't accepted by the five main religions? We're just giving it a different word. When it comes to god, anything is possible. But when god has nothing to do with it, it's BS?

I'm big on freedom of religion, but I'll only accept Christians if they stop being such asses and let the world and other people alone. Sure, okay, anyone can believe in something. I wouldn't care at all if you believed in the magic toaster of prosperity who controlled your fate by giving you different enchanted pieces of toast to eat in the morning. I'd actually respect you even more if you believed in a magic toaster instead of god. I won't lie, I judge people by their beliefs. That's the only thing I judge people by, though I'm usually always silent about these judgements. And I've only met probably one Christian (that I've had the privilege to talk to and get to know, I'm sure there are others) that was well-spoken, intelligent, and knew what she was talking about.

The thing is, Christians have created this stereotype of modern Christianity (probably why I have no Baptist friends, but if I did, they would dump a bucket of holy water on my head and never talk to me again if they knew that I own all of Anton LaVey's books). So like how some people think all emos self-harm, because some emos give others the impression that all emos do, non-Christians get this stereotype of Christianity (and, I'm sorry to say, it's not a pretty stereotype. But the stereotype of my religion is probably worse, to tell you the truth, because the Church has been lying about my religion since it popped up).

I tree-branched a little, sorry.
I'm a firm believer that religion is put in place to control the people, and that deities are created to enforce the religion, scare, yet provide false hope to people. So they can be slaughtered like sheep. So, therefore, I do not believe, if God existed, that he had a son. (lol, I could have just said that in the first place. I get these feelings pent up, and usually when I chose to let them out, the result is something like this... Sorry.)

[Sugaree]

So you say that you support that he is a son of god or something but then you say he is not a son of god very intresting.

No, you completely misread my post. I did not say I supported him as the son of God. I stated that the Catholic Church believed he was the son of God. I pointed very specifically in my post that I am not a Catholic but I learned about the religion when I was a Catholic.

And God is one single being, not a 3-way diagram

Here, let me Google that for you (http://lmgtfy.com/?q=The+Holy+Trinity+Explained&l=1)sir. (http://lmgtfy.com/?q=The+Holy+Trinity+Explained&l=1)

[Azunite]

That's only one perspective, which is IMO wrong. It is only Christianity who says there is a Son of God, the rest -whole believe in one god- say no such thing
And yes sorry I misread your post and forgot you are not Catholic anymore.

And you people think you know a lot I hate it when someone comes flashy and says " Hey you are so stupid that you couldn'T google that so here let me search that for you "

[huginnmuninn]

Son of God? No
Just a Prophet of God? a prphet of God as in God chose him? no there is no God
Or a evil heretic! dont believe in evil and if you look up heretic it comes up with a person who holds religious beliefs in conflict with the dogma of the Roman Catholic Church so i dont believe he fits that definition of heretic
Was he more than one person? possibly

what i think is funny is that the reason most people believe in god is the same reason that people believe in other religions but when those religions are brought up people dismiss them without a second thought and consider other religions flawed even if they have the same amount of proof in their religion existing

[The Batman]

That's only one perspective, which is IMO wrong. It is only Christianity who says there is a Son of God, the rest -whole believe in one god- say no such thing
And yes sorry I misread your post and forgot you are not Catholic anymore.
Well since Jesus is only an important person in Christianity you'd guess that was the topic of this thread.

And you people think you know a lot I hate it when someone comes flashy and says " Hey you are so stupid that you couldn'T google that so here let me search that for you "

Well doing the research before a debate can stop that from happening.

[deadpie]

OK, actually have to call misinformation here. Jesus was mentioned by contemporary secular authors such as Josephus and Pliny the Younger, amongst others. Source (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historicity_of_Jesus#Josephus)


I'm willing to say he physically existed. Anything else is mere speculation.

Josephus didn't mention shit about Jesus. An unknown person wrote an addition to the Jewish Antiquities. The truth is that this text that was written was probably written by Eusebius of Caesarea, who forged many texts during that time.

[pageplant77]

technically.. no. his name is Eshua. if you saw Jesus accross the street and said... Jesus!!! Jesus!! over here man!! I love you... he would be like wtf?!?! who is this Jesus... my name is Eshua. it's like calling someone name Songul Zack. Obviously your not going to rspond.
Was he more than one person- No

Actually, his name was Yeshua. And Yeshua is in the Aramic language. Yeshua literally translates out to Jesus.

[Sith Lord 13]

Josephus didn't mention shit about Jesus. An unknown person wrote an addition to the Jewish Antiquities. The truth is that this text that was written was probably written by Eusebius of Caesarea, who forged many texts during that time.

Fine. Lucian's then. Clear, un-ambiguous, and without controversy.

[Sugaree]

If I remember correctly, the Roman historian Tacitus wrote about Jesus in his "Annals", which was a fully written history from the death of Augustus (14 AD) to the death of Domitian (96 AD).

"Nero fastened the guilt and inflicted the most exquisite tortures on a class hated for their abominations, called Christians by the populace. Christus, from whom the name had its origin, suffered the extreme penalty during the reign of Tiberius at the hands of one of our procurators, Pontius Pilatus, and a most mischievous superstition, thus checked for the moment, again broke out not only in Judaea, the first source of the evil, but even in Rome..."

Source for above. (http://www.jesus-institute.org/life-of-jesus-ancient/jesus-tacitus.shtml)

"The 1st century Roman historian Tacitus also mentions Christ in his final book, the Annals, in which Tacitus illustrates Nero's persecution of the Christians. Tacitus writes that "Christus, from whom the name [Christianity] had its origin, suffered the extreme penalty during the reign of Tiberius at the hands of one of our procurators, Pontius Pilatus" (Tacitus, Annals 15:44, translated by Church and Brodribb). As was the case with Josephus, Tacitus has no reason to authenticate the existence of Jesus if he did not live. Unlike Josephus, his writing on Christianity is anything but dispassionate and unbiased, as his writing makes it painfully clear that he considers Christianity "a class hated for their abominations." Tacitus' abhorrence of the early Christians makes him even more unlikely to have falsely corroborated the leader of these Christians. In fact, it seems very likely he would have sought to disprove Jesus' existence if he thought he could."

Source for second quote. (http://www.religioustolerance.org/mercurio01.htm)

Josephus didn't mention shit about Jesus. An unknown person wrote an addition to the Jewish Antiquities. The truth is that this text that was written was probably written by Eusebius of Caesarea, who forged many texts during that time

Which clearly proves that Josephus had no reason to write about Jesus in the Antiquities because he was Jewish. There was a large amount of Jewish hatred of Christ, or that is what we're told, so why would Josephus have a reason to mention Christ? Obviously it was forged.

[Dive to Survive]

Was he the...

Son of God? Yes
Just a Prophet of God? More than a prophet
Or a evil heretic! Not at all
Did he exist at all? Yes
Was he more than one person? God, Jesus, and the Holy Spirit

[deadpie]

Fine. Lucian's then. Clear, un-ambiguous, and without controversy.

He writes "… the man who was crucified in Palestine because he introduced this new cult to the world … Furthermore, their first lawgiver persuaded them that they were all brothers ... after they have transgressed once for all by denying the Greek gods and by worshiping the crucified sophist himself and live under his laws."

It's possible he was talking about Jesus. But no true proof. Many people during that time were crucified. But he wrote this a hundred years after Jesus was said to have been crucified. Clearly he couldn't of been alive during that time, could he?

[Continuum]

Son of God? Aren't we all? Or are we just cattle to God's eyes?
Just a Prophet of God? Just like Mohammed, Zoroaster, Bahá'u'lláh, Mani, and many others
Or a evil heretic! He was, speaking behalf of the Rabbis who criticized him
Did he exist at all? Probably, who would account for Mary and Joseph's secret procreation spree on Jerusalem?
Was he more than one person? Well, does impostors count?

Actually, his name was Yeshua. And Yeshua is in the Aramic language. Yeshua literally translates out to Jesus.

Probably the same with Eshua in terms of phonetics; but who cares, we call him Jebus now. :P

[huginnmuninn]

Probably the same with Eshua in terms of phonetics; but who cares, we call him Jebus now. :P

i've never heard anybody calling him Jebus

[Sage]

i've never heard anybody calling him Jebus

Jebus Jebus Jebus. It's a common play on the name.

[huginnmuninn]

Jebus Jebus Jebus. It's a common play on the name.

i'm sorry it must not be very common where i live

[Azunite]

I think it is disrespect to call Jesus " Jebus "

[Sugaree]

I think it is disrespect to call Jesus " Jebus "

JEBUS JEBUS JEBUS.

Wow, no one cares. It's just a joke about the guy's name. Besides, why should you care? You don't even think he means anything significant.

[deadpie]

I think it is disrespect to call Jesus " Jebus "

I think it's disrespectful for Christians to talk shit about Muslims without knowing anything about the god damn religion.

[Azunite]

JEBUS JEBUS JEBUS.

Wow, no one cares. It's just a joke about the guy's name. Besides, why should you care? You don't even think he means anything significant.


Islam recognizes Jesus as a prophet of God, and the founder of Christianity.

And deadpie, couldn't clearly understand what you said

[deadpie]

Islam recognizes Jesus as a prophet of God, and the founder of Christianity.

And deadpie, couldn't clearly understand what you said

What part did you not understand?

[Perseus]

i've never heard anybody calling him Jebus

You've really never heard "Jebus" before?

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[dead]

You've really never heard "Jebus" before?

Also PVwCYJj4THQ

[huginnmuninn]

You've really never heard "Jebus" before?

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Also PVwCYJj4THQ

i apologize for not remembering about cartoons saying Jebus

http://uncyclopedia.wikia.com/wiki/Jebus

if you read in the link i provide it will explain why jesus and jebus are not interchangeable

[mrmcdonaldduck]

http://uncyclopedia.wikia.com/wiki/Jebus

if you read in the link i provide it will explain why jesus and jebus are not interchangeable

Are you seriously providing that link as an argument? thats just, like, WTF?

[dead]

i apologize for not remembering about cartoons saying Jebus

http://uncyclopedia.wikia.com/wiki/Jebus

if you read in the link i provide it will explain why jesus and jebus are not interchangeable

Yeah, nice unreliable link you got there. I prefer encyclopedia dramatica over that.

[huginnmuninn]

Are you seriously providing that link as an argument? thats just, like, WTF?

i provide it as an argument on the word Jebus and if other people are allowed to us Family Guy and The Simpsons as evidence of the word then i should be allowed to use uncyclopedia which is about as reliable as either of those cartoons

[The Batman]

Guys stop spamming either debate or don't post.

[Azunite]

What part did you not understand?ü
Uhh, I didn't udnerstand. You tried to say " Why christians comment bad on Muslims without knowing their religion." or " Why do Muslims comment on Christianity without knowing their religion" ?
Lol

[Sugaree]

ü
Uhh, I didn't udnerstand. You tried to say " Why christians comment bad on Muslims without knowing their religion." or " Why do Muslims comment on Christianity without knowing their religion" ?
Lol

What he said is perfectly clear. Religions that differ from each other will unknowingly criticize because they know little to nothing on the other religion.

[Magus]

Probably the same with Eshua in terms of phonetics; but who cares, we call him Jebus now. :P

Arabic Christians calls him Yasso3. And other(Non-Christians/Muslims) calls him 3esa. Some scholars says his real name is Eosies - but exactly, it is "Eshua". You do realise that 'J' was pronounced as 'Y' back then, or so I think. :what:

Anyways. I call him - JEEZ US! -

Use this for language stuff. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arabic_chat_alphabet)

[The Joker]

What he said is perfectly clear. Religions that differ from each other will unknowingly criticize because they know little to nothing on the other religion.

I believe his problem is that he doesn't speak English as his native tongue, the way Tim worded it confused him.

[Azunite]

Yeah I asked did the referred to Christian or Muslim insults but whatever I have my answer.

Turks call him " İsa ", I think it is pronounced like "Ee-sah", I don't know.

And Joker yes, I am here for months now and people don't know I'm Turkish ? :P