Mosque on Ground Zero

[Aves]

I know this is going around a lot, but don't you think it's a little bit of a kick to the balls to ask for a mosque to be built on Ground Zero? I know I sound racist saying this, but I'm not supporting anything being built there other than possibly a monument.

[Perseus]

I know this is going around a lot, but don't you think it's a little bit of a kick to the balls to ask for a mosque to be built on Ground Zero? I know I sound racist saying this, but I'm not supporting anything being built there other than possibly a monument.

Herp derp, Connor. It's being built four blocks away. Go look in the other thread about this and click all the links I posted. They're videos that explain it well in a satirical way.

[Amnesiac]

It's not ON ground zero, it's within the vicinity of it. I could go on a rant, but I'll just post this nicely put image instead:

http://i958.photobucket.com/albums/ae65/TheDarthEgg/This.jpg

[pageplant77]

The Islamic religion and Al Qaeda are two completely different things. Muslims are humble, peaceful people, they're not the ones responsible for 9/11.

[Sith Lord 13]

Muslims are humble, peaceful people

OK, I just have to raise this point. Muslims are PEOPLE. No more, no less. Some are humble, some brag quite a lot, some are peaceful, some are violent. You can't condemn someone for being Muslim, but it doesn't automatically make them a good person either.

[Peace God]

its not being built ON ground zero...but even if it were i'd still be ok with it

[Raptor22]

its not being built ON ground zero...but even if it were i'd still be ok with it

Is it legal for them to build it there, sure...

Is it bad taste? Definitely.

However what makes it worse is when you look at some of the other things the organization dedicated to building this mosque has done...

[The Joker]

If it was actually going to be built on Ground Zero, I'd consider the Muslims there to be major trolls.

It's four blocks away. That's not THAT close.

[Peace God]

However what makes it worse is when you look at some of the other things the organization dedicated to building this mosque has done...*Enter evidence & sources here*
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[Sage]

They're within their legal right to do with their property what they will, but I don't like it myself. Not because I feel it is insulting. I don't care if people are offended. I simply feel that any and all places of worship are nothing more than monuments to ignorance.

[Perseus]

Is it legal for them to build it there, sure...

Is it bad taste? Definitely.

However what makes it worse is when you look at some of the other things the organization dedicated to building this mosque has done...

One of the main contributors is Fox News' largest donator. So Fox News is funded by a terrorist organization?

[Jess]

The Islamic religion and Al Qaeda are two completely different things. Muslims are humble, peaceful people, they're not the ones responsible for 9/11.

This. *nods*.

[Sith Lord 13]

This. *nods*.

This:

OK, I just have to raise this point. Muslims are PEOPLE. No more, no less. Some are humble, some brag quite a lot, some are peaceful, some are violent. You can't condemn someone for being Muslim, but it doesn't automatically make them a good person either.

[ktmay96]

At first I thought I was ok with it. Its like the whole terrorist-muslim thing. Muslims are not terrorists, but the majority of terrorists are Muslims. But I thought about the significance of Ground Zero to this country. I find it a little bit insulting to build a mosque right near it. Have a little respect? This isn't saying that its bad to have a Muslim temple so near Ground Zero because they are responsible, but because its an insult to the memory of that day because it reminds us of why it happened and of the people who did it because the people who were responsible were Muslim. Its like rubbing it in our faces. And this is New York people. Find somewhere else to build it.

[Sage]

At first I thought I was ok with it. Its like the whole terrorist-muslim thing. Muslims are not terrorists, but the majority of terrorists are Muslims. But I thought about the significance of Ground Zero to this country. I find it a little bit insulting to build a mosque right near it. Have a little respect? This isn't saying that its bad to have a Muslim temple so near Ground Zero because they are responsible, but because its an insult to the memory of that day because it reminds us of why it happened and of the people who did it because the people who were responsible were Muslim. Its like rubbing it in our faces. And this is New York people. Find somewhere else to build it.

There are Buddhist/Shinto temples near Pearl Harbor.

[Nathaniel]

GovPoliToons says it best:

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4097/4930668314_85fec225de.jpg

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4115/4926767935_66dab473b1.jpg

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4094/4895879769_d3e89d2245.jpg

http://cagle.com/news/GroundZeroMosque/images/mutranowski.jpg

http://imgur.com/C5eVy.jpg

[Azunite]

There is a gambling saloon, a striptease club and a sex shop onnly 2 blocks aay from GZ, if that is not something un-sacred, but building a religous place is, then my father is a mule

[The Dark Lord]

This. *nods*.

What a completely pointless post.

I'm not America so it doesn't really affect, although it seems that it is immensely unpopular and shouldn't happen, America is still totally consumed by islamophobia and although the mosque would represent a step away from that, there are too many Americans that remain racially and religiously intolerable.

[Magus]

http://cagle.com/news/GroundZeroMosque/images/mutranowski.jpg

I got the message of this comic panel.

But...

The Christians of Iraq are one of the oldest Christian communities of the Middle East. In Iraq, Christians number about 636,000 in 2005, representing 3% of the population of the country. They numbered over 1 million in 1980 or 7% of the population. The vast majority of them live in the capital Baghdad and in Mosul

Not remembering some facts is just hurting.

[Rainstorm]

Seriously people.

It's 4 fucking blocks away from a pit in the ground that won't even be close to building any memorial for years. Yes, I do respect the people that died there. However, people that despise this need to grow up. There's no reason for there not to be a mosque a few blocks away when there are sex shops and other things that "disgrace" the people that die there.

[JimSauce]

I don't have a problem with it myself, but I don't agree with building it there simply because of the controversy and violence that it will stir up. What happens when the mosque gets attacked?

[Azunite]

If Americans weren't İslamophopic we could build a titanic Mosque right over GZ and nobody would say anything, you have a point

[Whisper]

I have a question for those that seem to take issue with this.

The main reasoning for the supposed movement against building this mosque is because of its proximity to the site of a horrific attack by Muslim extremists, correct? So its not so much that the mosque is being built but WHERE its being built. Its some misguided subtle racists respect thing?

K then why is it perfectly fine to have countless Christian and Catholic churches in Tokyo? Wouldn't that to be seen as horribly disrespectful? America is wildly viewed as a Christian country and in one night (March 10th 1945) the United States burned to death an estimated one hundred thousand civilians. Explain to me the difference?

You may state that that was in a state of war, but thats invalid because Bin Laddin declared war on the United States back in 1996 and had launched previous attack on embassy and even the world trade center (car bombing)

So how do the actions of a few affect your right to have a mosque refused because of sacred ground?
and may I remind you those 100,000 people were but a drop in a very bloody pond that is Americas past. For instance the United States is also the only country to have actually deployed nuclear arms, not once, but twice, another estimated two hundred and forty six thousand civilians and yet I have been able to find churches in both cities.


I'm not saying the death of three thousand people isn't a horrible act but how is that the fault of an entire religion? and why may I ask is there this double standard?

[Azunite]

At least İslam and Christianity are very similliar religions, but Japanese religions have no similiarities with Christianity but there are churches there ?
Seriously ? We won't stop because some rascist people say " Oh shit there comes Bedouins with Kurans run run ! "
So, you are blaming Muslims because of arabs ?
Well you are not preventing the right to use a religious place for not only Arabs but Turks, Pakis, Malaysians, and almost a quarter of Slavs ( i.e. %90 of Macedonia is muslim )
Seriously why do we still talk this ?
Constructions have been started and we know there will be molotov bombing there, but there is nothing you, me, or anyone can do

[Nathaniel]

GovPoliToons says it best:

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4097/4930668314_85fec225de.jpg

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4115/4926767935_66dab473b1.jpg

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4094/4895879769_d3e89d2245.jpg

http://cagle.com/news/GroundZeroMosque/images/mutranowski.jpg

http://imgur.com/C5eVy.jpg

Whoever negative repped me for this is retarded.

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My point was that this entire argument is stupid, and some ignorant douchebag decided to hide behind his wall of anonymity and tell me to shut the fuck up. <3

[Aves]

It's not that it's a mosque being built there that makes me angry. It's anything being built there.

Whoever negative repped me for this is retarded.

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My point was that this entire argument is stupid, and some ignorant douchebag decided to hide behind his wall of anonymity and tell me to shut the fuck up. <3

Report it to a moderator.

[Perseus]

It's not that it's a mosque being built there that makes me angry. It's anything being built there.



Report it to a moderator.

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Way to not read my post, Connor.

Herp derp, Connor. It's being built four blocks away. Go look in the other thread about this and click all the links I posted. They're videos that explain it well in a satirical way.

[Aves]

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Way to not read my post, Connor.

u mad?

[Perseus]

u mad?

Lol yes, Connor.

[Tiberius]

Legally, we can't prevent them from building it where they are. However, it is in rather poor tastes consider how the people that destroyed the World Trade Center did it in the name of Islam. Also, anyone who makes an argument saying that "there are churches in Japan" doesn't really get the full picture. We didn't fight Japan in a war in the name of Christianity, now did we? The Islamic extremists are fighting a war against the U.S in the name of their religion, however. Like I said, we can't stop them, but it's like rubbing salt in a wound.

[Rutherford The Brave]

It's a building.

[DarkHorses]

I'm not entirely sure how I feel about it, at first I thought the idea was ridiculous and extremely disrespectful towards the people who died on 9/11. But with more thought I kind of realized that part of the reason America is so strong is because of our acceptance of others, our tolerance and our equality. Terrorists wanted to try to weaken and ruin America on 9/11, but maybe America does not become weaker by giving such privileges to Muslims, but by being fearful of their religion and letting it convince us that they are bad people.

But at the same time, I can see the argument for the other side, and I agree that it might be a little bit disrespectful to the people who died. It's as if saying that treating Muslims as equals is more important than respecting the people who died on 9/11.

So I'm on the fence about it. But what I seriously am wondering, why did the people who plan on building the mosque ever even consider it to be so close to Ground Zero? They could have easily avoided the controversy if they'd have chosen another place to build it, which I think would have been a much better idea. There have to be other places to build a mosque in New York that wouldn't cause such an uproar.

[Perseus]

But at the same time, I can see the argument for the other side, and I agree that it might be a little bit disrespectful to the people who died. It's as if saying that treating Muslims as equals is more important than respecting the people who died on 9/11.
Uh, I'd rather Muslims be respected and not hated upon that respect the people who died on 9/11. Just because those people died and "need respect" does not mean Muslims should be treated differently when Al-Qaeda adheres to a small sect of Islam which happens to be radically insane.

So I'm on the fence about it. But what I seriously am wondering, why did the people who plan on building the mosque ever even consider it to be so close to Ground Zero? They could have easily avoided the controversy if they'd have chosen another place to build it, which I think would have been a much better idea. There have to be other places to build a mosque in New York that wouldn't cause such an uproar. If I am correct they're building upon a preexisting mosque that is rundown and I don't think New York City has that many vacant spots around. And also, the area it's being built in is already heavily populated by Muslims, so it makes sense for them to build it there.

Muslims in America are treated as terrorists, and it's shameful. People shouldn't look down upon them because they are part of a religion that has a shameful past couple of years. Not all Muslims strap bombs to themselves and kill in the name of God, but people like to think this. The Mosque being built near Ground Zero shows accomplishment more than anything. It shows that they're not going to let all of this Islam hate affect where they build their holy sanctuary. In a couple of months or years or whatever when it's done building people will forget all about this like people in fifty years time will forget the date of 9/11 like we have forgotten the date of Pearl Harbor.

[The Joker]

Legally, we can't prevent them from building it where they are. However, it is in rather poor tastes consider how the people that destroyed the World Trade Center did it in the name of Islam. Also, anyone who makes an argument saying that "there are churches in Japan" doesn't really get the full picture. We didn't fight Japan in a war in the name of Christianity, now did we? The Islamic extremists are fighting a war against the U.S in the name of their religion, however. Like I said, we can't stop them, but it's like rubbing salt in a wound.

They aren't fighting for their religion, America provoked them.

[Azunite]

Look they would stiill continue the attacks if they were christians